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Jen Psaki says the United States will require foreign travelers flying into the US to be fully vaccinated against Covid-19 from "early November."

But not illegal migrants since they are entering on foot, not plane.

Not sure if they will try to demand American citizens flying into the US be vaccinated or how they handle medical exemptions.

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The Biden administration will require all international travelers coming into the United States to be fully vaccinated and tested for Covid-19 under a new system that will open up air travel to vaccinated foreign nationals from dozens of countries for the first time since the early days of the pandemic.

Starting in early November, foreign nationals will be allowed to fly into the U.S. if they are fully vaccinated and able to show proof of vaccination prior to boarding a U.S.-bound flight, White House Covid coordinator Jeffrey Zients said.

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The current policy requires a negative covid test, so why the push for the vaxx?

How do they know the difference between antibodies and the vaxx? Wouldn't the vaxx make them test positive? And if they have a vaxx, why do they need a negative test if the vaxx works?
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While there is still no vaccination requirement for domestic air travel, Zients said nothing is off the table.

"We clearly have a track record that shows we're pulling available levers to acquire vaccinations and we're not taking any measures off the table on specific authorities used for implementation," he said.

Zients didn't detail what vaccines will qualify and what would constitute as fully vaccinated and said the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention would provide further details. The new policy applies only to air travel and not land border crossings, which have been closed to nonessential travel between Canada and Mexico.

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Well I will be ok then, not that I am likely to visit anytime soon.
Any sarcasm in this post is purely intentional.
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Wow, what a great revelation...Walking cures Covidity.

Flying spreads Covidity, walking does not...Makes sense to me???

Is there any data on the pros and cons of driving or perhaps riding a bike as related to the spread of this deadly imagination.

Seems like that the preliminary data is showing, the faster you travel the greater the risk of Covidity...I say, "Slow the HLF down".

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Early Nov?

Should've been way earlier than that?

Fucking idiots, either they want the vaccine , or not?

Why wait?

Their logic is so fucking backwards.
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Including illegals?
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But not for any of the hundreds of thousands invaders at our Southern border?


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Including illegals?
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No, because evidently walking doesn't spread covid,
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We don't need no stinking shots.

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While there is still no vaccination requirement for domestic air travel, Zients said nothing is off the table.

"We clearly have a track record that shows we're pulling available levers to acquire vaccinations and we're not taking any measures off the table on specific authorities used for implementation," he said.

Zients didn't detail what vaccines will qualify and what would constitute as fully vaccinated and said the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention would provide further details. The new policy applies only to air travel and not land border crossings, which have been closed to nonessential travel between Canada and Mexico.

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 Quoting: Happy in Nature


is a flight between us and puerto rico or american samoa considered domestic ?
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But how many unvaxxed are coming across the border from Haiti and Africa everyday?

America is rapidly becoming a 3rd world shit hole.
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It is a war crime to collectively punish or penalize a group having individuals who have not committed an actual crime!

Assuming someone unvaccinated is more of a danger or burden to others in society than someone vaccinated is clearly not true on an individual basis because if just one unvaccinated person recovers without hospitalization and getting others sick while another vaccinated person infects others, needs hospitalization, and dies then this is a false assumption and it is.

If you argue that unvaccinated people are statistically on average more of a danger or burden to society when it is not always true on an individual basis then you are doing nothing more than applying the logic of racism and prejudice...

It is using statistics to justify prejudice.

Such reasoning ignores individual justice where one is punished based on the real harm that they intentionally or unintentionally cause and anything else is prejudice…

Mandates and passports punish people for a crime they have not committed with extreme prejudice.

Arguing for collective punishment which if we are in time of war is considered a war crime and a violation of Part III, Section I, Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention…

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Article 33: Individual responsibility, collective penalties, pillage and reprisals

"No protected person may be punished for any offense he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.

Pillage is prohibited.

Reprisals against protected persons and their property is prohibited."

Under the 1949 Geneva Conventions, collective punishment is a war crime. By collective punishment, the drafters of the Geneva Conventions had in mind the reprisal killings of World War I and World War II. In the First World War, the Germans executed Belgian villagers in mass retribution for resistance activity during the Rape of Belgium. In World War II, both German and Japanese forces carried out a form of collective punishment to suppress resistance. Entire villages or towns or districts were held responsible for any resistance activity that occurred at those places.[5] The conventions, to counter this, reiterated the principle of individual responsibility. The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) Commentary to the conventions states that parties to a conflict often would resort to "intimidatory measures to terrorize the population" in hopes of preventing hostile acts, but such practices "strike at guilty and innocent alike. They are opposed to all principles based on humanity and justice."

Additional Protocol II of 1977 explicitly forbids collective punishment. But as fewer states have ratified this protocol than GCIV, GCIV Article 33 is the one more commonly quoted.
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It is a war crime to collectively punish or penalize a group having individuals who have not committed an actual crime!

Assuming someone unvaccinated is more of a danger or burden to others in society than someone vaccinated is clearly not true on an individual basis because if just one unvaccinated person recovers without hospitalization and getting others sick while another vaccinated person infects others, needs hospitalization, and dies then this is a false assumption and it is.

If you argue that unvaccinated people are statistically on average more of a danger or burden to society when it is not always true on an individual basis then you are doing nothing more than applying the logic of racism and prejudice...

It is using statistics to justify prejudice.

Such reasoning ignores individual justice where one is punished based on the real harm that they intentionally or unintentionally cause and anything else is prejudice…

Mandates and passports punish people for a crime they have not committed with extreme prejudice.

Arguing for collective punishment which if we are in time of war is considered a war crime and a violation of Part III, Section I, Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention…

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Article 33: Individual responsibility, collective penalties, pillage and reprisals

"No protected person may be punished for any offense he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.

Pillage is prohibited.

Reprisals against protected persons and their property is prohibited."

Under the 1949 Geneva Conventions, collective punishment is a war crime. By collective punishment, the drafters of the Geneva Conventions had in mind the reprisal killings of World War I and World War II. In the First World War, the Germans executed Belgian villagers in mass retribution for resistance activity during the Rape of Belgium. In World War II, both German and Japanese forces carried out a form of collective punishment to suppress resistance. Entire villages or towns or districts were held responsible for any resistance activity that occurred at those places.[5] The conventions, to counter this, reiterated the principle of individual responsibility. The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) Commentary to the conventions states that parties to a conflict often would resort to "intimidatory measures to terrorize the population" in hopes of preventing hostile acts, but such practices "strike at guilty and innocent alike. They are opposed to all principles based on humanity and justice."

Additional Protocol II of 1977 explicitly forbids collective punishment. But as fewer states have ratified this protocol than GCIV, GCIV Article 33 is the one more commonly quoted.
 Quoting: DigitalDream

Great post, thank you!
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Wow, what a great revelation...Walking cures Covidity.

Flying spreads Covidity, walking does not...Makes sense to me???

Is there any data on the pros and cons of driving or perhaps riding a bike as related to the spread of this deadly imagination.

Seems like that the preliminary data is showing, the faster you travel the greater the risk of Covidity...I say, "Slow the HLF down".
 Quoting: Reebl


It's really simple, the plebs is not supposed to fly. That will be restricted to the elites again, cause muh CO2 etc...
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It is a war crime to collectively punish or penalize a group having individuals who have not committed an actual crime!

Assuming someone unvaccinated is more of a danger or burden to others in society than someone vaccinated is clearly not true on an individual basis because if just one unvaccinated person recovers without hospitalization and getting others sick while another vaccinated person infects others, needs hospitalization, and dies then this is a false assumption and it is.

If you argue that unvaccinated people are statistically on average more of a danger or burden to society when it is not always true on an individual basis then you are doing nothing more than applying the logic of racism and prejudice...

It is using statistics to justify prejudice.

Such reasoning ignores individual justice where one is punished based on the real harm that they intentionally or unintentionally cause and anything else is prejudice…

Mandates and passports punish people for a crime they have not committed with extreme prejudice.

Arguing for collective punishment which if we are in time of war is considered a war crime and a violation of Part III, Section I, Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention…

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Article 33: Individual responsibility, collective penalties, pillage and reprisals

"No protected person may be punished for any offense he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.

Pillage is prohibited.

Reprisals against protected persons and their property is prohibited."

Under the 1949 Geneva Conventions, collective punishment is a war crime. By collective punishment, the drafters of the Geneva Conventions had in mind the reprisal killings of World War I and World War II. In the First World War, the Germans executed Belgian villagers in mass retribution for resistance activity during the Rape of Belgium. In World War II, both German and Japanese forces carried out a form of collective punishment to suppress resistance. Entire villages or towns or districts were held responsible for any resistance activity that occurred at those places.[5] The conventions, to counter this, reiterated the principle of individual responsibility. The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) Commentary to the conventions states that parties to a conflict often would resort to "intimidatory measures to terrorize the population" in hopes of preventing hostile acts, but such practices "strike at guilty and innocent alike. They are opposed to all principles based on humanity and justice."

Additional Protocol II of 1977 explicitly forbids collective punishment. But as fewer states have ratified this protocol than GCIV, GCIV Article 33 is the one more commonly quoted.
 Quoting: DigitalDream


Thank you for posting that.
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This has to stop! There has to be a way to make them stop!
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Just tell them your from Haiti...

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Except if yo ucross the border illegally.
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Does anyone know if this means if you are a US citizen coming back into the US from a foreign country that you would be required to have the vaccine?
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But they are flying the illegals all around the US. Population replacement.
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Does anyone know if this means if you are a US citizen coming back into the US from a foreign country that you would be required to have the vaccine?
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They have not said it will go that far...yet. As an American living abroad, this has been a big personal concern. I plan to go back to the US in Novemeber to see family, but I will never return if the shot is mandatory.

This also means that all foreign flight attendants and pilots have to vaccinated.
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Jen Psaki says the United States will require foreign travelers flying into the US to be fully vaccinated against Covid-19 from "early November."

But not illegal migrants since they are entering on foot, not plane.

Not sure if they will try to demand American citizens flying into the US be vaccinated or how they handle medical exemptions.

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So finally the southern border is going to limit the illegals coming in.
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stop whining about war crimes and commit them
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Really is too bad. I'm a Canadian and I absolutely love the United States. Been very fortunate to travel there for work dozens of times over the past decade.

Savannah, GA
Dallas, TX
Omaha, NE
New Orleans, LA
Phoenix, AZ
Denver, CO
Las Vegas, NV
Alexandria, VA
Tampa Bay, FL
Kansas City, MO
Salt Lake, UT
Boise, ID

and of course all of the major cities a few times too.

Such a beautiful country.

Gonna miss you guys and gals.

USA is an amazing place.
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And again, Covid can tell time! November...
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one upshot of all this is that i don't intend to travel abroad ever again. at least not as long as the farcical vax passports/tests/quarantines continue. and it doesn't look like they're going away anytime soon. ah well, i've travelled plenty and seen enough of the world before all this baloney.
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Illegal migrants dont need no stinkin covid test. They are allowed to go anywhere . American citizens mandatory vaxx to keep your job. Dont worry the migrants will take your old job . They dont need a vaxx mandate
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Jen Psaki says the United States will require foreign travelers flying into the US to be fully vaccinated against Covid-19 from "early November."

But not illegal migrants since they are entering on foot, not plane.

Not sure if they will try to demand American citizens flying into the US be vaccinated or how they handle medical exemptions.

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What about Canadians fleeing across the border by car?
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But yet the invaders are exempt.

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