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Has anyone successfully talked with a lawyer RE vaccines and employment? | |
nacho daddy  User ID: 79304616  United States09/21/2021 03:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What about talking to a Constitutional lawyer? This is blatant discrimination and a violation of civil rights. Everyday schmuck lawyers want the easy stuff. The day the soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership. |
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| psyoptics User ID: 76886181 United States09/21/2021 03:10 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have called several attorneys in my area and they all say the same thing. They say you CAN be fired with little recourse. We are being coerced here at work, dangled a carrot for money to get the shot, now, this morning we get a message that says either get the shot or be terminated.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80297003 Here is part of the message that is confusing… “Company” will no longer be able to allow you to choose whether or not you wish to be vaccinated- it will be required that you either get vaccinated or get tested weekly faking to do so will most likely result in your termination, as “company” will be fined up to $14k if you do not comply. They frame it as you have no choice but offer a choice in the next sentence… plus since we are a health care facility we were told there would be no weekly testing. So they make it seem like you have a choice, but from other emails and according to the state memos I have seen, there will be no choices because they explicitly stated they would not do weekly testing on healthcare workers. Anyone have any good advice?? I feel coerced and a bit uneasy about all of this. I could potentially lose everything I have worked for. I shouldn’t be forced or coerced into taking drugs I don’t want. Let them fire you, once the " mandate" is declared unconstitutional, you should have a good case to sue them. Also if you are in the Healthcare field, you are a part of the Problem, as long as you comply with this illegal stuff. I am not a healthcare worker, I am in IT working in healthcare. Definitely not part of the problem, if anything I want to be part of the solution. Health care workers on NY filed a case in Federal court. The judge has said the mandated is unconstitutional and put a hold on the mandate and if the state provides any form of evidence the court will hear this case starting at the end of OCT. But as of now the judge see no reason for this mandate and the plaintiff will win removing this mandate at least for the state of NY. a good video editor can make anyone say anything the editor wants. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 73062330 United States09/21/2021 03:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Religious and medical exemptions are a legal fact. Quoting: Astra Planeta If they fire you you can sue them, for a myriad of things. If they don’t and the stress of testing gets to you, you can sue them as well. Attorneys are going to line pockets in a big way with this. Testing companies are already making bank. It’s all a money grab clearly. you are a child. you are brainwashed into thinking the courts are the heroes of the little guy. this is by design. the courts are NOT there for the little guy,they are there to prey on the slaves and punish the slaves |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 73062330 United States09/21/2021 03:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have called several attorneys in my area and they all say the same thing. They say you CAN be fired with little recourse. We are being coerced here at work, dangled a carrot for money to get the shot, now, this morning we get a message that says either get the shot or be terminated.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80297003 Here is part of the message that is confusing… “Company” will no longer be able to allow you to choose whether or not you wish to be vaccinated- it will be required that you either get vaccinated or get tested weekly faking to do so will most likely result in your termination, as “company” will be fined up to $14k if you do not comply. They frame it as you have no choice but offer a choice in the next sentence… plus since we are a health care facility we were told there would be no weekly testing. So they make it seem like you have a choice, but from other emails and according to the state memos I have seen, there will be no choices because they explicitly stated they would not do weekly testing on healthcare workers. Anyone have any good advice?? I feel coerced and a bit uneasy about all of this. I could potentially lose everything I have worked for. I shouldn’t be forced or coerced into taking drugs I don’t want. I don't understand the testing requirement. It is widely known that everyone can contract and spread the virus regardless of vaccination status. Why are they only testing the unvaccinated? How does that make sense? What happens when a positive test comes back? The test doesn't yield immediate results, so you can still spread it at the work place. I agree, it totally does not make sense. None of this makes any sense. There is a reason they want EVERYONE to get this shot and it has nothing to do with public safety or your health. If it did, they would be VERY concerned about the border jumpers bringing in new diseases and covid... They don't care. This seems highly coordinated from the top down. No "Scientific" approach used at all, just mandates. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78340956 United States09/21/2021 03:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have called several attorneys in my area and they all say the same thing. They say you CAN be fired with little recourse. We are being coerced here at work, dangled a carrot for money to get the shot, now, this morning we get a message that says either get the shot or be terminated.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80297003 Here is part of the message that is confusing… “Company” will no longer be able to allow you to choose whether or not you wish to be vaccinated- it will be required that you either get vaccinated or get tested weekly faking to do so will most likely result in your termination, as “company” will be fined up to $14k if you do not comply. They frame it as you have no choice but offer a choice in the next sentence… plus since we are a health care facility we were told there would be no weekly testing. So they make it seem like you have a choice, but from other emails and according to the state memos I have seen, there will be no choices because they explicitly stated they would not do weekly testing on healthcare workers. Anyone have any good advice?? I feel coerced and a bit uneasy about all of this. I could potentially lose everything I have worked for. I shouldn’t be forced or coerced into taking drugs I don’t want. Yes, I've talked to the top firm in the country specializing in this particular subject and got a retainer agreement from them. Here's what they say the law says (you can debate whether the law is fair or just, but that isn't the point here): 1) An employer can mandate this and fire you for not complying, with exceptions if you are under an employment agreement or if you are protected by collective bargaining agreements that forbid the jab mandate. 2) If mandated, don't even bother with applying for a health exemption. They will reject it and have firm legal ground to stand on because of the (crooked) FDA. Apply for the religious exemption. Don't write a freaking paragraph explaining why your religion forbids the jab. Just don't. Your exemption should read: "Due to a sincere and deep personal religious belief, I am exempt from the vaccine." That's it. Do not write a novel. 3) They still could possibly fire you or retaliate or make your life miserable after this. They may even possibly deny your exemption. But, the religious exemption is the only close to surefire way to have a great case in court if you choose to pursue that. If you win, you will win an absolute lottery payout. Most employers know this and are treading very lightly when you invoke this in this way. Only invoke the religious exemption if you are mentally ok with possibly being fired and being willing to fight for possibly 3 to 5 years in court. Be prepared to "burn it all down" as well as an alternative. That means stealing all of your firm's customers, business, key employees and everything of value if they fire you. That may be more satisfying and a quicker payback than the lawsuit, but YMMV. I wonder if this path (religious exemption) would work for those in Federal agencies not wanting the vaccine? |
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| Cannabis Highs People! User ID: 80888861  Canada09/21/2021 03:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have called several attorneys in my area and they all say the same thing. They say you CAN be fired with little recourse. We are being coerced here at work, dangled a carrot for money to get the shot, now, this morning we get a message that says either get the shot or be terminated.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80297003 Here is part of the message that is confusing… “Company” will no longer be able to allow you to choose whether or not you wish to be vaccinated- it will be required that you either get vaccinated or get tested weekly faking to do so will most likely result in your termination, as “company” will be fined up to $14k if you do not comply. They frame it as you have no choice but offer a choice in the next sentence… plus since we are a health care facility we were told there would be no weekly testing. So they make it seem like you have a choice, but from other emails and according to the state memos I have seen, there will be no choices because they explicitly stated they would not do weekly testing on healthcare workers. Anyone have any good advice?? I feel coerced and a bit uneasy about all of this. I could potentially lose everything I have worked for. I shouldn’t be forced or coerced into taking drugs I don’t want. grow a pair you know what to do... |
| GladioMommyo User ID: 76957768 United States09/21/2021 03:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is undeniable, historic fact that women and minorities have a significantly higher level of vaccine hesitancy. This means that mandates unfairly target women and minorities. [link to open.mitchellhamline.edu (secure)] |
| Cannabis Highs People! User ID: 80888861 Canada09/21/2021 03:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Religious and medical exemptions are a legal fact. Quoting: Astra Planeta If they fire you you can sue them, for a myriad of things. If they don’t and the stress of testing gets to you, you can sue them as well. Attorneys are going to line pockets in a big way with this. Testing companies are already making bank. It’s all a money grab clearly. Shysters always win... the whole system running is based on THEY'RE BAR... With out shysters the world would be a better place... all we need is mediators ,agreed upon between warring parties... |
| Nipples McGee User ID: 80203550 United States09/21/2021 03:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Religious and medical exemptions are a legal fact. Quoting: Astra Planeta If they fire you you can sue them, for a myriad of things. If they don’t and the stress of testing gets to you, you can sue them as well. Problem is, most people need a paycheck. Even people living in expensive homes depend on their income. People tend to spend to their limits. It could take a long time in court and there is no guarantee you win. So just give in and take it? I don’t think I will do that, looks like I might have to just give it all up. I’m not taking it, 45% of the folks here agree unless they are coerced and fall for it. If the company is doing you dirty then play their game. Go to an area with drug addicts. Find someone about your age and pay them to get the vaxx. They will have to memorize your name and such . You get a legitimate CDC card with your name on it and you’re good. Nipples McGee |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 73062330 United States09/21/2021 03:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | did you really think lawyers would save you from the Devil? i've been telling you for a long time, this is something outside normal existence. the ordinary rules don't apply. When's satan's will is cast, the universe moves to bring his wishes to fruition, all these lawyers are nothing but mosquitoes he's got the fire. he's got the force he's got the power to make his evil takes it's course |
| Cannabis Highs People! User ID: 80888861 Canada09/21/2021 03:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Religious and medical exemptions are a legal fact. Quoting: Astra Planeta If they fire you you can sue them, for a myriad of things. If they don’t and the stress of testing gets to you, you can sue them as well. Problem is, most people need a paycheck. Even people living in expensive homes depend on their income. People tend to spend to their limits. It could take a long time in court and there is no guarantee you win. So just give in and take it? I don’t think I will do that, looks like I might have to just give it all up. I’m not taking it, 45% of the folks here agree unless they are coerced and fall for it. Expect that 45% of people to stand strong. We’ve made it this far… When we pull our money and interests out of the market they will adjust accordingly. Maybe that’s why we are seeing smaller product displays at big box stores?  SINCE OUR VOTES DON'T COUNT,OR MATTER...OR, ARE MISHANDLED OR OUTRIGHT THROWN OUT.... WE ALL NEED TO START VOTING WITH YOUR DOLLARS!!! |
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| GladioMommyo User ID: 76957768 United States09/21/2021 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Managers--especially ANYONE who appears to not have been doing a very good job creating diversity in the workplace--will be under palpable danger of legal action. Managers who eagerly swoop in to create a mandate will HAVE to be able to show that they aren't using it as a sneaky way to get rid of women and minorities on their workforce. A manager whose workers are of Christian or other religious denominations with a religious objection to vaccines will (or SHOULD) have to prove s/he is not engaging in religious discrimination by 1) declaring a vaccine mandate and 2) not allowing religious exemption. |
| roguetechie81 User ID: 79785318 United States09/21/2021 03:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have called several attorneys in my area and they all say the same thing. They say you CAN be fired with little recourse. We are being coerced here at work, dangled a carrot for money to get the shot, now, this morning we get a message that says either get the shot or be terminated.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80297003 Here is part of the message that is confusing… “Company” will no longer be able to allow you to choose whether or not you wish to be vaccinated- it will be required that you either get vaccinated or get tested weekly faking to do so will most likely result in your termination, as “company” will be fined up to $14k if you do not comply. They frame it as you have no choice but offer a choice in the next sentence… plus since we are a health care facility we were told there would be no weekly testing. So they make it seem like you have a choice, but from other emails and according to the state memos I have seen, there will be no choices because they explicitly stated they would not do weekly testing on healthcare workers. Anyone have any good advice?? I feel coerced and a bit uneasy about all of this. I could potentially lose everything I have worked for. I shouldn’t be forced or coerced into taking drugs I don’t want. They want you to think that there's some sort of out until the very last second so they can force you into not just making a decision in the moment but also making the decision they want you to make. This isn't an accident, you have no legal recourse, and it WILL come down to get the shot or lose your job extremely soon. The trick here is in understanding that you have two choices. 1. Accept that your job is going away most likely much sooner than you think. (Lots of workplaces putting people on unpaid indefinite leave instead of letting you work and get tested twice a week) if you go this route, save every penny you can until the last second preferably while looking for a different job. Realize that every paycheck including this one is likely to be your last and plan accordingly. 2. Give up and get the shot. I will also make it a point to note here that if you go with option 1 you genuinely NEED to have other employment at a non mandate place before they can fire you or put you on unpaid leave! They're absolutely going to blackball refusers and make it impossible to get hired other places. Taking this even further, whatever job you get as a replacement isn't going to last a whole bunch longer so budget yourself tightly and save your ass off! They are NEVER GOING TO STOP unless we STOP THEM. If you choose option 2 you've basically made your choice to ride the system down in flames. Because make no mistake about this, they are piloting the economy and supply situation straight into the rocks! Even picking option 2 probably only buys you a few months at best before this really gets rolling fully ... Is it worth giving in and getting the shot to you if you know that it only buys you at most a few months before the hard times fully set in? That's a question only you can answer for yourself. I wish I could say that even the current shitshow is the new normal too but it's not. This is just the beginning of things getting so much worse really no matter which option you personally pick. That said, if enough people give up and just get the shot etc then we're getting full great reset you will own nothing and our last best chance at stopping it dies. As you've seen though with your legal consults, fixing things from within isn't going to happen. I sincerely hope that you and others reading this make choices you can feel good about on your death bed because the choices we are collectively about to make WILL decide the future of this country and could very well put a successful rebellion out of reach for generations. Are you ok with that in order to collect a paycheck for another few months? roguetechie |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80902193 United States09/21/2021 03:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have called several attorneys in my area and they all say the same thing. They say you CAN be fired with little recourse. We are being coerced here at work, dangled a carrot for money to get the shot, now, this morning we get a message that says either get the shot or be terminated.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80297003 Here is part of the message that is confusing… “Company” will no longer be able to allow you to choose whether or not you wish to be vaccinated- it will be required that you either get vaccinated or get tested weekly faking to do so will most likely result in your termination, as “company” will be fined up to $14k if you do not comply. They frame it as you have no choice but offer a choice in the next sentence… plus since we are a health care facility we were told there would be no weekly testing. So they make it seem like you have a choice, but from other emails and according to the state memos I have seen, there will be no choices because they explicitly stated they would not do weekly testing on healthcare workers. Anyone have any good advice?? I feel coerced and a bit uneasy about all of this. I could potentially lose everything I have worked for. I shouldn’t be forced or coerced into taking drugs I don’t want. Look, this is all a world depopulation plan and they don't give a crap about you or anything you want. Either you take the shot and die like a good dodo bird or they will find other ways to do away with you. |
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| ~Cowardly Anonymous~ User ID: 14721704 United States09/21/2021 03:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's where health and comorbidities come into play. Outside of a general religious exemption, which will be difficult to stick, if you have a health issue that makes the vaccine more dangerous you can use the American with Disabilities Act to protect you against the Employer's mandate against you due to your health condition and is required by federal law to offer you a "reasonable accommodation" if you can still perform your job without the vaccine, such as daily symptom monitoring, reporting if you come into contact, brief quarantine without pay, temp checks and whatever testing they would like for you to do to prove you dont have covid. That's probably the best argument so far since the US Sup. Ct. is likely to continue to support mandates. Cowardly Anonymous |
| burneracct User ID: 28517539 United States09/21/2021 03:41 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The reasoning they say you cannot sue is because it is at will employment However they are not considering the big picture that it’s all companies thus it is a threat to your livelihood. It certainly is coercion and illegal. Pfizer redefining rare. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 73062330 United States09/21/2021 03:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the vaccines are going to kill you yeah no shit the vaccine isn't supposed to make you drop dead 3 days after you take it. and yet even still, there's millions dropping dead 3 days after taking it. i'm guessing this was not the intended effect, it was supposed to take a little longer. it's making you susceptible to the coming bioweapons. the coming bioweapons will kill 98% of the vaxxed within days. do you understand? you have already been defeated. no matter what you do now, they can release the bioweapons tomorrow when I get there I say 9 of 10 drop What is it really That's going on here You've got your system for total control Now is there really anybody out there Now watch us suffer cause we can't go What is it really that is in your head What little life that you had just died I'm gonna be the one that's taking over Now this is what it's like when worlds collide Are you ready to go 'Cause I'm ready to go What you gonna do baby, baby Are you going with me 'Cause I'm going with you It's the end of all time What is it really that motivates you The need to fly or this fear to stop you go along til you realize When we get there I say nine of ten drop Now who's the light and who is the devil You can't decide so I'll be your guide And one by one they will be hand chosen Now this is what it's like when worlds collide Are you ready to go Cause I'm ready to go What you gonna do baby, baby Are you going with me Cause I'm going with you It's the end of all time You are a robot Now this is what it's like when worlds collide Now this is what it's like Now this is what it's like when worlds collide Now this is what it's like What is it really when they're falling over Everything that you thought is denied I'm gonna be the one that's taking over Now this is what it's like when worlds collide Are you ready to go 'Cause I'm ready to go What you gonna do baby, baby Are you going with me 'Cause I'm going with you It's the end of all time |
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