Navy sells 2 obsolete aircraft carriers for 1 cent each- more money down the drain.

Somebody made a lot of money...

Selling the USS Kitty Hawk and USS John F. Kennedy like that for scrap is disgusting.

The US just practiced launching F-35s from the deck of a new Japanese aircraft carrier.... created by converting one of their helicopter carriers. Likewise, Japan has converted destroyers recently into aircraft carriers as well, retrofitting the destroyers with flattops.

The sale should be cancelled and re-direct those carriers to Japan or another friendly country for the upcoming fight with China. Those aircraft carriers are still perfectly capable of navigating waters in the South and East China Seas... stacked with F-35s or other planes/helicopters of their choosing.

With environmental requirements it would probably cost 100s of millions of $$$ to scrap it.....so maybe they saved us money.

From the article. The navy has payed large sums for the contracted disposal process.

Sounds like they are just cutting out useless negotiations/transfers of money.

Good idea, but not sure it would be feasible. Strike that, contractually/diplomatically viable.

they could have bought everyone in america free housing for life for what those things cost.

and aircraft carriers are NOT for national defense at all!!


they are for bombing poor countries with no weapons.

any of the 1st world nations could sink air craft carriers with nukes or conventional ballistic missiles.

Iran has about 100,000 miles that would sink those things


But Americans don't want the poor to have housing at all!!

They aren't stupid, they are just evil wicked people

Americans think their vicious snobbery and hatred for poor makes them superior and good.

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A rich, evil genius needs to buy them and have a secret island base with lasers.

So where ever you are, do you have control over what your government does?

If 90% of your people tell the richest 10% do they listen?

Hunter Biden probably got a cut in this deal via a shadow company.

Trump would have given them to Taiwan or Australia.

I have an acquaintance, Rear Admiral (and fighter pilot) that commanded the Kitty Hawk battle group for a time. Super guy, btw!

I'm sure this is not setting well with him.

But even mothballing these older ships costs a boatload of money.

This! ^

Taiwan wouldn't have any real use for them except target practice.

They are right next to China, aquatically, they will want small fast and versatile craft.

And yep...

Check their fleet structure, and the largest craft they have is Destroyers and Fast Combat Support Craft. No tenders/supply ships, etc.

I would want PT boat designs for sinking transports, but it looks like they use attack subs. If you can torpedo whatever hits the water, then all you need to do is guard the skies.

43 Missile Patrol ships
22 Frigates
4 Destroyers
4 Attack Subs

Their entire country is the carrier. I don't even think they would have the facilities to build anything bigger. There is no need for anything bigger.

Edit: Forgot to add wikipedia. Man that is nice to have again.

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Last Edited by Glaxnor on 10/06/2021 08:48 AM

North Korea may offer a pretty penny...

Taiwan could fix it up then loan it to Japan to get more planes in the conflict theater that don't require complex tanking to make the trip .

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Aircraft Carriers are now OLD technology when it comes to a major war. OK for use against countries that do NOT have an airforce, but for anyone else their survival time is probably measured mostly in hours, not weeks.

ALL old ships go to the Breakers eventually. The reasons are simple things called "RUST", moving parts "WEARING OUT", and the twisting and pounding a ship takes over the years wears out the tensile strength of it's steel bones.

Even not so old Cruise Ships go to the breakers, and when they do they still look GREAT ... to outsiders.

If things didn't wear out from the above forces ... well you would still be driving your parent's 1965 Ford Fairlane or Chevy Belair as your daily driver car and it would be up over 3 million miles on the odometer. DO YOU?

Aircraft Carriers are not just ships that rust, they are a mass of moving parts that also rust and wear out and it takes continual massive maintenance to keep them operating, if it didn't we wouldn't need to send our carriers in for a MULTI YEAR overhaul about half way through their life.

Kitty Hawk was commissioned in 1961 and was decommissioned in 2009, so it has been sitting around for 12 years since it last sailed so you can be certain that to turn it back into a fully operational carrier would take at least a couple of years of work and hundreds of millions, if not a billion +, dollars.

The John F. Kennedy was commissioned in 1968 and was also decommissioned in 2009, so it also has been sitting around for 12 years and would also need at least hundreds of millions of maintenance and repair work before it could again be a fully operational carrier.

40 years of active salt water sea duty is a LONG time for an ocean going ship due to the salt water/air corrosion issue, and both of those made it that far. Sure Great Lakes freighers can last 80 years+, but they are operating in a FRESH WATER environment and these boats were NOT. Storage hasn't done them any favors either.

Time to break them up.

They could have sold them for scrap for probably a couple of hundred thousand if not maybe a couple of million the US government hard at work what Morons









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Australia could have used them as platforms to bomb their antivax terrorists.

I would agree with that.

Japan would make some sense, but I would have to brush up on the treaties. Are they even allowed to own them?

I think that's a grey area.

"But Americans don't want the poor to have housing at all!!

They aren't stupid, they are just evil wicked people

Americans think their vicious snobbery and hatred for poor makes them superior and good."



NOT true.

We have a lot of low cost housing for the poor.

I have direct knowledge from family members.


Both sides of my FAMILY worked their way out of poverty.


I may be an evil wicked American but that doesn't

impact my understanding the needs of Americans,

rich, middle class, lower income!


We can continue to import MILLIONS of unemployable

people, dump them into the central cities and then

TAX the workers to supply free food, housing, phones,

etc. for them...(Slum Lords and other Demoncrapts make

a lot of money on this scam).

We always need NEW people, but we should get to pick the

ones we let in.



For the unfortunate-healthwise we do have many programs

to aid them.

they will ship it to a third world country that has no environmental regulations.

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You're not very bright are you.

Other uses:

Use them as a decoy, to help divert missiles away from your good carriers.

Put a few VTOL planes and helicopters on them and use them for lighter duty. (scouting, sub hunting, rescue of downed pilots, Simple refueling point.

Or use them in harm's way. If you think a carrier might not last long, put in the junker.

They also have or could be fitted with CIWS weapons. Rolling airframe missiles, and the R2D2 high speed cannons.

Also makes a great observation tower.

I've always thought that one could be used to create a strip mall or novelty park... But on land somewhere.

"Taiwan could fix it up then loan it to Japan to get more planes in the conflict theater that don't require complex tanking to make the trip ."


We actually considered a fix-up . . .

"US Navy officials extended Kitty Hawk's stay in the reserve inactive fleet and considered the possibility of recommissioning her to help with the buildup."[49]


" She was officially decommissioned on 12 May 2009 after almost 49 years of service."

("she loved us for a long time"-but their are diminishing

returns on Billions in cost for a few more years)


ON the $0.01 deal... the removal of environmentally

unsafe materials does cost millions when the steel

is broken down to be sold...(so a good deal probably for
both.

Nice picture of JFK on board in 1963 !...

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BESIDES his womanizing which BillClintoon idolized...

JFK was a GOOD President.(I was too young for his election
but I would have voted for NIXON ( ; )

aND YES there were purchased votes in the 1960 election
(Chicago at least)JFK's Father a womanizer bragged "he was willing to purchase votes, he just didn't want to pay for a landside" !,
but Nixon thought it best at that time, for our nation, Not fight it out
over them!

"After nearly 40 years of service in the United States Navy, John F. Kennedy was officially decommissioned on 1 August 2007. She is berthed at the NAVSEA Inactive Ships On-site Maintenance facility in Philadelphia, formerly the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard, and, until late 2017, was available for donation as a museum and memorial to a qualified organization.[2][7] In late 2017, the Navy revoked her "donation hold" status and designated her for dismantling."

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They could have at least asked $1.

Oh please, the only reason people don’t have a house is they don’t want one. It’s not easy to have a house. Mortgage, Property taxes, insurance, lawn maintenance, fixing shit. It’s a lot of responsibility that people can’t or won’t take. If you want to live by “free housing” go live in section 8 area. See how that works for you. I bet it’s a lot different than the uppity millionaire residences. How does your bleeding liberal heart explain that?

I was on the Shitty Kitty near the end of her life in active duty. A major rust bucket barely staying afloat. She was 49 years which is amazing.

She was kept around only because of the SOFA with Japan not allowing Nukes. When we were abled to put a nuke carrier there we could finally retire the Kitty Hawk.

there was no service life left in her. She was run hard and long and performed well... Scrappers have a big job in breaking her down while not violating EPA laws, so you basically have to give them away

Hold on there chief. That makes sense. When was the last time ANY of this made sense? You need to watch that documentary, "Idiocracy."