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The Rickest Rick Sanchez User ID: 65121889 United States 10/06/2021 11:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not bad. A bit busy and lacking in dynamics. Needs more empty space and variance. Right now it is a bit cluttered and repetitive. Break it up with some sustained chords and variation in phrasing instead of just gut punching the whole time. Not really hearing a memorable melody or iconic riff... You've got the tones and mix and arrangement structure pretty good. Just need to make it more musically appealing. The universe is basically an animal. It grazes on the ordinary. It creates infinite idiots just to eat them. The Rickest Rick Sanchez comments are meant for entertainment purposes only and should not be construed to reflect the feelings and opinions, implied or expressed, of the author. |
Evil Lincoln User ID: 72076845 United States 10/06/2021 11:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1st: I didnt know you did this stuff..cool! 2nd: What DAW are you using? 3rd: did you bus the compression? sounds a bit too squished. 4th: Last Edited by Evil Lincoln on 10/06/2021 11:38 AM Something is coming. Guard your heart and watch the wind.. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77583827 United States 10/06/2021 11:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I hear that... It doesn't really have a straightforward verse-chorus thing going on so I'll have to find a way to slip a quiet section or two in there... It really was mostly about getting the sound right thus far, def needs variations and a lot of work... this is kind of the rough sketch I suppose. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77583827 United States 10/06/2021 11:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1st: I didnt know you did this stuff..cool! Quoting: Evil Lincoln 2nd: What DAW are you using? 3rd: did you bus the compression? sounds a bit too squished. 4th: I'm using Ableton 11. Yes, on my master I'm using an API 2500 with about 1-3 db on the loudest parts 4:1, and then a Fairchild 670 with less than a db on it. I AM using a distressor on the guitars and a few tape sims... so theres a ton of compression all around in small increments. I'll keep it in mind, I don't want to ruin the dynamics but I also want that sound of the compressors lol. It's a fine line. |
Nibiru*is*flat User ID: 80966822 United States 10/06/2021 12:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Professional musician here.I am going to be honest ...I hope you read this to the end because I am offering advice Been at it for decades. Not everything is a success .. This doesn't feel appealing to me, it's to herky jerky. And not understated in a good way The rythm almost makes me queasy .. Honestly I would go back to th drawing board. Your tone and set up is fine. The chord progression is not breaking new ground, it its fine for a template for structuring. I would add some dynamics, . Think of it this way you need a context of emotion. What is the idea of what the idea wants to be ? You want a journey .. I will give you my formula...surround yourself with good musicians if possible number one. Once you have the basic chord progression, just improv over a backing track endlessly, singing, playing , whatever your method. As the melody forms , you may reharomonize your song, I.e change chords, stack harmonies etc. while keeping the melodic note. This might lead to more melody change. Etc.. Rinse repeat. Don't even think of rythm yet.( beyond the basic meter, unless of course the song is polyrhythmic in nature ) Now decide how much tension you want in your song. This is very important as it leads to resolve. I would think within this genre you can get away with a lot of tension. I.e dimisnhed chirds, altered chords, etc. which conversely can lead to some beautiful resolve this will lead you to further clarify your melody, and or solos . For example , I love using altered scales over half diminished 7 chords , things like this. How much tension you want should guide your melodic construction. Now move to rhythm. You want something thathelps people feel what you want to express. In the end your job is to construct a mirror people can feel themselves in. Now forget everything I just wrote and make music that expresses something emotively. Imho you need some work....keep at it you will get there.it is very rewarding. the best way is to stand on The shoulders of greats, learn basic theory, practice with backing tracks, and constantly compose music. Last Edited by Nibiru*is*flat on 10/06/2021 12:05 PM |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77583827 United States 10/06/2021 12:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Professional musician here.I am going to be honest ... Quoting: Nibiru*is*flat Been at it for decades. Not everything is a success .. This doesn't feel appealing to me, it's to herky jerky. And not understated in a good way The rythm almost makes me queasy .. Honestly I would go back to th drawing board. Your tone and set up is fine. The chord progression is not breaking new ground, it its fine for a template for structuring. I would add some dynamics, . Think of it this way you need a context of emotion. What is the idea of what the idea wants to be ? You want a journey .. I will give you my formula Once you have the basic chord progression, just improv over a backing track endlessly, singing, playing , whatever your method. As the melody forms , you may reharomonize your song, I.e change chords, stack harmonies etc. while keeping the melodic note. This might lead to more melody change. Etc.. Rinse repeat. Don't even think of rythm yet. Now decide how much tension you want in your song. This is very important as it leads to resolve. I would think within this genre you can get away with a lot of tension. I.e dimisnhed chirds, altered chords, etc. which conversely can lead to some beautiful resolve this will lead you to further clarify your melody, and or solos . For example , I love using altered scales over half diminished 7 chords , things like this. How much tension you want should guide your melodic construction. Now move to rhythm. You want something thathelps people feel what you want to express. In the end your job is to construct a mirror people can feel themselves in. Now forget everything I just wrote and make music that expresses something emotively. Imho you need some work....keep at it you will get there.it is very rewarding. the best way is to stand on The shoulders of greats, learn basic theory, practice with backing tracks, and constantly compose music. I appreciate your input! Thanks for taking the time. Tbh there's not a single chord played in this track lol literally It's just 4 guitars playing single notes No wait, for like 2 seconds there are some quick minor chord stabs. Lol... |
Nibiru*is*flat User ID: 80966822 United States 10/06/2021 12:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Professional musician here.I am going to be honest ...I hope you read this to the end because I am offering advice Quoting: Nibiru*is*flat Been at it for decades. Not everything is a success .. This doesn't feel appealing to me, it's to herky jerky. And not understated in a good way The rythm almost makes me queasy .. Honestly I would go back to th drawing board. Your tone and set up is fine. The chord progression is not breaking new ground, it its fine for a template for structuring. I would add some dynamics, . Think of it this way you need a context of emotion. What is the idea of what the idea wants to be ? You want a journey .. I will give you my formula...surround yourself with good musicians if possible number one. Go to open Mics, poetry readings, meet artists , some with skill who are open to free teaching and jamming if they enjoy your company Back to the song writing methods .... Once you have the basic chord progression, just improv over a backing track endlessly, singing, playing , whatever your method. As the melody forms , you may reharomonize your song, I.e change chords, stack harmonies etc. while keeping the melodic note. This might lead to more melody change. Etc.. Rinse repeat. Don't even think of rythm yet.( beyond the basic meter, unless of course the song is polyrhythmic in nature ) Now decide how much tension you want in your song. This is very important as it leads to resolve. I would think within this genre you can get away with a lot of tension. I.e dimisnhed chirds, altered chords, etc. which conversely can lead to some beautiful resolve this will lead you to further clarify your melody, and or solos . For example , I love using altered scales over half diminished 7 chords , things like this. How much tension you want should guide your melodic construction. Now move to rhythm. You want something thathelps people feel what you want to express. In the end your job is to construct a mirror people can feel themselves in. NOW FORGET EVERYTHING I JUST WROTE AND COMPOSE SOMETHING ENGAGES PEOPLE EMOTIONALLY ... Good music should be cathartic Imho you need some work....keep at it you will get there.it is very rewarding. the best way is to stand on The shoulders of greats, learn basic theory, practice with backing tracks, and constantly compose music. |
Nibiru*is*flat User ID: 80966822 United States 10/06/2021 12:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Professional musician here.I am going to be honest ... Quoting: Nibiru*is*flat Been at it for decades. Not everything is a success .. This doesn't feel appealing to me, it's to herky jerky. And not understated in a good way The rythm almost makes me queasy .. Honestly I would go back to th drawing board. Your tone and set up is fine. The chord progression is not breaking new ground, it its fine for a template for structuring. I would add some dynamics, . Think of it this way you need a context of emotion. What is the idea of what the idea wants to be ? You want a journey .. I will give you my formula Once you have the basic chord progression, just improv over a backing track endlessly, singing, playing , whatever your method. As the melody forms , you may reharomonize your song, I.e change chords, stack harmonies etc. while keeping the melodic note. This might lead to more melody change. Etc.. Rinse repeat. Don't even think of rythm yet. Now decide how much tension you want in your song. This is very important as it leads to resolve. I would think within this genre you can get away with a lot of tension. I.e dimisnhed chirds, altered chords, etc. which conversely can lead to some beautiful resolve this will lead you to further clarify your melody, and or solos . For example , I love using altered scales over half diminished 7 chords , things like this. How much tension you want should guide your melodic construction. Now move to rhythm. You want something thathelps people feel what you want to express. In the end your job is to construct a mirror people can feel themselves in. Now forget everything I just wrote and make music that expresses something emotively. Imho you need some work....keep at it you will get there.it is very rewarding. the best way is to stand on The shoulders of greats, learn basic theory, practice with backing tracks, and constantly compose music. I appreciate your input! Thanks for taking the time. Tbh there's not a single chord played in this track lol literally It's just 4 guitars playing single notes No wait, for like 2 seconds there are some quick minor chord stabs. Lol... Well stacking single notes stil makes chords. But I get your point |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77583827 United States 10/06/2021 12:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Professional musician here.I am going to be honest ... Quoting: Nibiru*is*flat Been at it for decades. Not everything is a success .. This doesn't feel appealing to me, it's to herky jerky. And not understated in a good way The rythm almost makes me queasy .. Honestly I would go back to th drawing board. Your tone and set up is fine. The chord progression is not breaking new ground, it its fine for a template for structuring. I would add some dynamics, . Think of it this way you need a context of emotion. What is the idea of what the idea wants to be ? You want a journey .. I will give you my formula Once you have the basic chord progression, just improv over a backing track endlessly, singing, playing , whatever your method. As the melody forms , you may reharomonize your song, I.e change chords, stack harmonies etc. while keeping the melodic note. This might lead to more melody change. Etc.. Rinse repeat. Don't even think of rythm yet. Now decide how much tension you want in your song. This is very important as it leads to resolve. I would think within this genre you can get away with a lot of tension. I.e dimisnhed chirds, altered chords, etc. which conversely can lead to some beautiful resolve this will lead you to further clarify your melody, and or solos . For example , I love using altered scales over half diminished 7 chords , things like this. How much tension you want should guide your melodic construction. Now move to rhythm. You want something thathelps people feel what you want to express. In the end your job is to construct a mirror people can feel themselves in. Now forget everything I just wrote and make music that expresses something emotively. Imho you need some work....keep at it you will get there.it is very rewarding. the best way is to stand on The shoulders of greats, learn basic theory, practice with backing tracks, and constantly compose music. I appreciate your input! Thanks for taking the time. Tbh there's not a single chord played in this track lol literally It's just 4 guitars playing single notes No wait, for like 2 seconds there are some quick minor chord stabs. Lol... Well stacking single notes stil makes chords. But I get your point Yeah but my notes are panned all crazy! |
Nibiru*is*flat User ID: 80966822 United States 10/06/2021 12:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Professional musician here.I am going to be honest ... Quoting: Nibiru*is*flat Been at it for decades. Not everything is a success .. This doesn't feel appealing to me, it's to herky jerky. And not understated in a good way The rythm almost makes me queasy .. Honestly I would go back to th drawing board. Your tone and set up is fine. The chord progression is not breaking new ground, it its fine for a template for structuring. I would add some dynamics, . Think of it this way you need a context of emotion. What is the idea of what the idea wants to be ? You want a journey .. I will give you my formula Once you have the basic chord progression, just improv over a backing track endlessly, singing, playing , whatever your method. As the melody forms , you may reharomonize your song, I.e change chords, stack harmonies etc. while keeping the melodic note. This might lead to more melody change. Etc.. Rinse repeat. Don't even think of rythm yet. Now decide how much tension you want in your song. This is very important as it leads to resolve. I would think within this genre you can get away with a lot of tension. I.e dimisnhed chirds, altered chords, etc. which conversely can lead to some beautiful resolve this will lead you to further clarify your melody, and or solos . For example , I love using altered scales over half diminished 7 chords , things like this. How much tension you want should guide your melodic construction. Now move to rhythm. You want something thathelps people feel what you want to express. In the end your job is to construct a mirror people can feel themselves in. Now forget everything I just wrote and make music that expresses something emotively. Imho you need some work....keep at it you will get there.it is very rewarding. the best way is to stand on The shoulders of greats, learn basic theory, practice with backing tracks, and constantly compose music. I appreciate your input! Thanks for taking the time. Tbh there's not a single chord played in this track lol literally It's just 4 guitars playing single notes No wait, for like 2 seconds there are some quick minor chord stabs. Lol... Well stacking single notes stil makes chords. But I get your point Yeah but my notes are panned all crazy! True..ever listen to early NIN A little bit of a Hurt vibe there.....just need to reel it in imho. Give it a fluid context |
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Vapor Trails User ID: 72330980 United States 10/06/2021 12:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sounds like an Iron Maiden bare bones track, me likey. I became insane, with long intervals of horrible sanity. ~Edgar Allen Poe [link to youtu.be (secure)] |
Nibiru*is*flat User ID: 80966822 United States 10/06/2021 12:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Tbh I think it needs double bass pedal and perhaps a lot of it. Quoting: BFD Nope, not getting Jabbed Yeah ....imho ..the Pan is a little disorientating ... maybe reel that in I'd keep playing with the mix. Yeah double bass drums also could add that feel it needs Sometimes a song doesn't feel right, but when you plug the perfect counterpoint to it, it works Last Edited by Nibiru*is*flat on 10/06/2021 12:16 PM |
Nibiru*is*flat User ID: 80966822 United States 10/06/2021 12:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Tbh I think it needs double bass pedal and perhaps a lot of it. Quoting: BFD Nope, not getting Jabbed Yeah ....imho ..the Pan is a little disorientating ... maybe reel that in I'd keep playing with the mix. Yeah double bass drums also could add that feel it needs Sometimes a song doesn't feel right, but when you plug the perfect counterpoint to it, it works I go through genres ....I haven't done Metal in awhile, though I do perform Some Mad season , and other Stanley songs in my sets sometimes. I mentioned hurt, I do that on the piano, kind of his MTV unplugged rendition. Oh yeah I do Rooster sometimes. But Stanley lends himself to vocals , and as a singing performer , I generally choose the more melodic rock n rollers.... Oh I did Metallica one on request recently . Stuck on gyspy jazz ATM,,trying to get another dynamic to my guitar solo |
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Evil Lincoln User ID: 72076845 United States 10/06/2021 12:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1st: I didnt know you did this stuff..cool! Quoting: Evil Lincoln 2nd: What DAW are you using? 3rd: did you bus the compression? sounds a bit too squished. 4th: I'm using Ableton 11. Yes, on my master I'm using an API 2500 with about 1-3 db on the loudest parts 4:1, and then a Fairchild 670 with less than a db on it. I AM using a distressor on the guitars and a few tape sims... so theres a ton of compression all around in small increments. I'll keep it in mind, I don't want to ruin the dynamics but I also want that sound of the compressors lol. It's a fine line. awesome man keep it up. Something is coming. Guard your heart and watch the wind.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78056663 United States 10/06/2021 08:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1st: I didnt know you did this stuff..cool! Quoting: Evil Lincoln 2nd: What DAW are you using? 3rd: did you bus the compression? sounds a bit too squished. 4th: I'm using Ableton 11. Yes, on my master I'm using an API 2500 with about 1-3 db on the loudest parts 4:1, and then a Fairchild 670 with less than a db on it. I AM using a distressor on the guitars and a few tape sims... so theres a ton of compression all around in small increments. I'll keep it in mind, I don't want to ruin the dynamics but I also want that sound of the compressors lol. It's a fine line. awesome man keep it up. Thanks dude, here's an update |
The Rickest Rick Sanchez User ID: 65121889 United States 10/07/2021 12:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Professional musician here.I am going to be honest ...I hope you read this to the end because I am offering advice Quoting: Nibiru*is*flat Been at it for decades. Not everything is a success .. This doesn't feel appealing to me, it's to herky jerky. And not understated in a good way The rythm almost makes me queasy .. Honestly I would go back to th drawing board. Your tone and set up is fine. The chord progression is not breaking new ground, it its fine for a template for structuring. I would add some dynamics, . Think of it this way you need a context of emotion. What is the idea of what the idea wants to be ? You want a journey .. I will give you my formula...surround yourself with good musicians if possible number one. Once you have the basic chord progression, just improv over a backing track endlessly, singing, playing , whatever your method. As the melody forms , you may reharomonize your song, I.e change chords, stack harmonies etc. while keeping the melodic note. This might lead to more melody change. Etc.. Rinse repeat. Don't even think of rythm yet.( beyond the basic meter, unless of course the song is polyrhythmic in nature ) Now decide how much tension you want in your song. This is very important as it leads to resolve. I would think within this genre you can get away with a lot of tension. I.e dimisnhed chirds, altered chords, etc. which conversely can lead to some beautiful resolve this will lead you to further clarify your melody, and or solos . For example , I love using altered scales over half diminished 7 chords , things like this. How much tension you want should guide your melodic construction. Now move to rhythm. You want something thathelps people feel what you want to express. In the end your job is to construct a mirror people can feel themselves in. Now forget everything I just wrote and make music that expresses something emotively. Imho you need some work....keep at it you will get there.it is very rewarding. the best way is to stand on The shoulders of greats, learn basic theory, practice with backing tracks, and constantly compose music. lol basically what I said I bet our songs reflect this exact contrast Mine tend to be focused and the lyrics terse but loaded with multiple potential meanings in every phrase, that reveal as much about the listener as the author. The music has clear boundaries and minimal repetition, but a wide sonic range and no distinct classification. It may seem like a spoonful, but each short song has the density of a neutron star. I imagine yours are more musically competent and brilliantly arranged, and people can get lost in the spectacle of a technical scale run or the exotic syncopation of a sliding time signature rhythm section, but maybe in the end, walk away without a clear or deep revelation. Like Tool vs Dream Theatre lol I dunno, just the dumb reaction I had when I read this thread again. Music is a crazy thing. It means different things to everyone but a master of it can affect us all, just the way they want to. Its like... the real songs...the great ones... nobody writes those. We just uncover them... we carve away what is not that song, and try to present the thing as it is and was always meant to be. If you have the ear....you just know it when you hear it. You may not know what the next note, chord, word is.. but you know immediately what it isn't. At least that's how it always seemed to me. haha best wishes to you both on finding the magic chords for your tribe The universe is basically an animal. It grazes on the ordinary. It creates infinite idiots just to eat them. The Rickest Rick Sanchez comments are meant for entertainment purposes only and should not be construed to reflect the feelings and opinions, implied or expressed, of the author. |
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