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Is “God Hates Fags” Leader Fred Phelps a “Gay Plant”?

 
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Is “God Hates Fags” Leader Fred Phelps a “Gay Plant”?

GLEN ELLYN, IL, August 17, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Illinois Family Institute Executive Director Peter LaBarbera is condemning Kansas-based Fred Phelps, whose message, “God Hates Fags,” as one that “paint(s) any opposition to ‘gay rights’ as hateful.” LaBarbera adds that he wonders if Phelps' is a “gay plant.”

“Politically and culturally speaking, Phelps and his protesters serve as a crude caricature of pro-family traditionalists who oppose the normalization of homosexuality,” LaBarbera stated in his column Monday. “Fred makes an easy target for the media and secularists who are tempted (partly by their own prejudices) to paint any opposition to ‘gay rights’ as hateful. For this reason, I have sometimes wondered if Phelps and his lawyerly clan are ‘gay plants.’”

More than a “gay plant,” it appears that Phelps may simply be unbalanced, as evidenced by the following statement, which appears on his [link to www.godhatesfags.com] web site: “Thank God for the bombing of London's subway today . . . wherein dozens were killed and hundreds seriously injured . . . Wish it was many more.” Phelps’ stunts and messages, his use of the most inflammatory means possible to spread his message – to the point he even announced that he would picket the funeral of a slain US soldier who had served in Iraq – makes one wonder why the media continue to focus attention on this fringe individual.

LaBarbera condemned Phelps’ drive to deny homosexuals any hope of redemption. “By denying change for people caught up in homosexuality, Phelps denies the love and power of Jesus Christ Himself--a cruel message that is as ‘hateful’ toward homosexuals as any of his preposterous signs.”

Not wanting Phelps’ aberrant message to detract from the real aim of the Illinois Family Institute, LaBarbera adds, “For the record, we consider the ‘gay’ theological construct that says homosexuality is a ‘gift from God’ as similarly cruel in that it turns the Creator's moral law on its head.”

Read LaBarbera’s column:
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Something...seems they know more about homosexual activity then the homosexuals do...
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Like I said before.....government op.
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"Fred Phelps' curious message is hardly Christian, and only fuels societal bigotry toward those who espouse genuine Biblical views on social issues like homosexuality and abortion," LaBarbera's statement said.

"Of all the potential targets for their protests, they have chosen funeral services where the bereaved are mourning the loss of loved ones. It is hard to conceive of a more inflammatory presentation of a false Gospel than his."

LaBarbera went on to say: "Politically and culturally speaking, Phelps and his protesters serve as a crude caricature of pro-family traditionalists who oppose the normalization of homosexuality. Fred makes an easy target for the media and secularists who are tempted (partly by their own prejudices) to paint any opposition to 'gay rights' as hateful. For this reason, I have sometimes wondered if Phelps and his lawyerly clan are 'gay plants.'"

But, despite denouncing Phelps, the Illinois Family Institute is actively involved in a proposed amendment to ban same-sex marriage, has fought legislation to provide civil rights protections for gays and lesbians and earlier this month demanded that the Illinois Bureau of Tourism refuse to give public funds to the 2006 Gay Games in Chicago. (story) The Chicago organizer of the event, Chicago Games Inc., has submitted an application for promotion money.

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(Chicago, Illinois) The head of an Illinois group fighting same-sex marriage and partner benefits says he wonders if militant anti-gay preacher Fred Phelps is actually a gay plant.

Phelps who runs the God Hates Fags website and whose followers regularly demonstrate at gay friendly churches first came to national attention when he protested at the funeral Matthew Shepard.

Since then conservative Christian groups have been mostly silent but now, the Phelps clan is picketing at the funerals of soldiers killed in Iraq. (story)

The group had threatened to demonstrate last weekend at the funeral of Gunnery Sgt. Terry W. Ball in East Peoria but did not show up. Nevertheless, on Monday, Illinois Family Institute Executive Director Peter LaBarbera issued a statement denouncing Phelps.
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Something...seems they (Phelps, et al)know more about homosexual activity then the homosexuals do...
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"""It would not surprise me one bit to find out that they're receiving money from Muslim foundations either. Westboro has won several legal battles and prosecutions, so they're either being financed by an interested party, The DNC maybe, or their lawyers are working entirely pro-bono.""""
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Originally published in the Nov./Dec. REAL Women of Canada's Reality magazine

December 18, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - When former homosexual NDP MP Svend Robinson was arguing in 2003-04 in favour of his private members Bill C-250, to amend the hate crime provisions in the Criminal Code to give special protection to homosexuals, he was hard put to come up with any examples in Canada of homosexuals who actually were experiencing "hate".

He therefore called upon the supposed threat being made against Canadian homosexuals by a U.S. alleged Baptist Minister Fred Phelps from his supposedly Westboro Baptist church located in Kansas, U.S.A. Mr. Phelps is known for his outrageous picket signs claiming to uphold Christian beliefs against homosexuality. One of his better-known slogans is "God Hates homosexuals". Mr. Phelps had conveniently, at that time, threatened to enter Canada in connection with Bill C-250 (Mr. Phelps was subsequently refused entry into Canada by the Immigration Department).

Mr. Phelps' name also arose in Canada in 2001 when REAL Women was a part of the No Committee which included Campagne Québec-Vie (Campaign Life Coalition Quebec), the Christian Heritage Party and a small evangelical church in Montreal to raise objections to the Gay Games scheduled to be held in Montreal in 2006. The Royal Bank refused the No Committee the right to open a bank account on the grounds that the Committee was discriminating against homosexuals by raising objections to the Gay Games.

In response to many complaints to the Royal Bank about its refusal to permit the No Committee to open a bank account, Mr. David Moorcroft, Senior Vice President of the Royal Bank of Canada gave as one of its explanations for the refusal that the No Committee supposedly has the support of Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church. This was preposterous as well as damaging to the Committee's credibility.

The No Committee promptly sent Mr. Moorcroft a registered letter dated September 18, 2002 advising him that his statement on the alleged Westboro Baptist Church support of the No Committee was false and defamatory and unacceptable. Mr. Moorcroft immediately ceased making the allegation.

It turns out that Fred Phelps is not a Baptist Minister, his actions, however, do raise sympathy for the homosexual cause and at the same time bring into disrepute and ridicule the Christian faith. Further, according to Wikipedia and Kansas Voter View, Mr. Phelps is a registered Democrat who ran in five Kansas Democratic primaries including Senator and campaigned for the then Senator Al Gore in the 1988 presidential campaign (photos back this up) culminating in invitations to both Clinton-Gore inaugurations.

Mr. Phelps lives in a large upscale home with his grown children, several of whom are graduate lawyers. Mr. Phelps and his family mysteriously arrive to picket across the country during sensitive times in the cultural war between homosexuals and mainstream society.

Mr. Phelps' most recent picketing has been at military funerals of fallen American soldiers in Iraq. He alleges that his pickets are to "thank" God for terrorist killings of American troops as punishment for America's embrace of homosexuality. But, his picketing at the military funerals conveniently also draws attention to the controversy surrounding the U.S. invasion of Iraq and the Democratic party's opposition to it.

Mr. Phelps and his family, with no known source of income, lead a very comfortable upscale life. He has no church and no congregation. There is no doubt, however, that Mr. Phelps' picketing is very helpful to the homosexual cause.
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Very good point.

Very good point.

Very good point.


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Is “God Hates Fags” Leader Fred Phelps a “Gay Plant”?

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All this time I thought plants reproduced through asexual means.

I had no idea that plants could be gay.
You learn something new at GLP every single day.
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It turns out that Fred Phelps is not a Baptist Minister, his actions, however, do raise sympathy for the homosexual cause and at the same time bring into disrepute and ridicule the Christian faith. Further, according to Wikipedia and Kansas Voter View, Mr. Phelps is a registered Democrat who ran in five Kansas Democratic primaries including Senator and campaigned for the then Senator Al Gore in the 1988 presidential campaign (photos back this up) culminating in invitations to both Clinton-Gore inaugurations.

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huh...why does this even surprise me anymore?
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It turns out that Fred Phelps is not a Baptist Minister, his actions, however, do raise sympathy for the homosexual cause and at the same time bring into disrepute and ridicule the Christian faith. Further, according to Wikipedia and Kansas Voter View, Mr. Phelps is a registered Democrat who ran in five Kansas Democratic primaries including Senator and campaigned for the then Senator Al Gore in the 1988 presidential campaign (photos back this up) culminating in invitations to both Clinton-Gore inaugurations.




huh...why does this even surprise me anymore?
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Well it shouldnt....the bad guys work both sides of the street, and it calls for lots of discernment and wisdom.
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Is “God Hates Fags” Leader Fred Phelps a “Gay Plant”?

GLEN ELLYN, IL, August 17, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Illinois Family Institute Executive Director Peter LaBarbera is condemning Kansas-based Fred Phelps, whose message, “God Hates Fags,” as one that “paint(s) any opposition to ‘gay rights’ as hateful.” LaBarbera adds that he wonders if Phelps' is a “gay plant.”

“Politically and culturally speaking, Phelps and his protesters serve as a crude caricature of pro-family traditionalists who oppose the normalization of homosexuality,” LaBarbera stated in his column Monday. “Fred makes an easy target for the media and secularists who are tempted (partly by their own prejudices) to paint any opposition to ‘gay rights’ as hateful. For this reason, I have sometimes wondered if Phelps and his lawyerly clan are ‘gay plants.’”

More than a “gay plant,” it appears that Phelps may simply be unbalanced, as evidenced by the following statement, which appears on his [link to www.godhatesfags.com] web site: “Thank God for the bombing of London's subway today . . . wherein dozens were killed and hundreds seriously injured . . . Wish it was many more.” Phelps’ stunts and messages, his use of the most inflammatory means possible to spread his message – to the point he even announced that he would picket the funeral of a slain US soldier who had served in Iraq – makes one wonder why the media continue to focus attention on this fringe individual.

LaBarbera condemned Phelps’ drive to deny homosexuals any hope of redemption. “By denying change for people caught up in homosexuality, Phelps denies the love and power of Jesus Christ Himself--a cruel message that is as ‘hateful’ toward homosexuals as any of his preposterous signs.”

Not wanting Phelps’ aberrant message to detract from the real aim of the Illinois Family Institute, LaBarbera adds, “For the record, we consider the ‘gay’ theological construct that says homosexuality is a ‘gift from God’ as similarly cruel in that it turns the Creator's moral law on its head.”

Read LaBarbera’s column:
[link to www.illinoisfamily.org]
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I LOVE THESE PEOPLE THERE GREAT!!!! hf hf hfI AGREE GOD HATES FAGS!!!
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Alex,

Ya don't know me, but we got friends in common. This is about Phelps. He's not a right winger at all. He's part of a left wing conspiracy to make the public hate gay bashers

His goal is to make us that oppose gay marriage and the gay agenda look foolish. His actions paint us as tinfoil hat wearing lunatics, and if continues, people will see us the same way we see the wack jobs running around spouting off about UFOs and electronic voting fraud.

It's all about discrediting the right. He wants the public to associate opposing the gay agenda with harassing mothers of dead soldiers. He wants people to hate the right and sympathize with dead gays. He wants to make people recoil in horror when we say being gay sends you to Hell.

He's only crazy like a fox. Sick thing is it's working. I know people who support gay marriage because of him, and sat down with their kids and told them how saying gays go to Hell is wrong. They're so shell shocked by the signs shoved at mothers who lost their sons that they can't see the real agenda.

Phelps is a left wing puppet, and the campaign is working.


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Alex,

Ya don't know me, but we got friends in common. This is about Phelps. He's not a right winger at all. He's part of a left wing conspiracy to make the public hate gay bashers

His goal is to make us that oppose gay marriage and the gay agenda look foolish. His actions paint us as tinfoil hat wearing lunatics, and if continues, people will see us the same way we see the wack jobs running around spouting off about UFOs and electronic voting fraud.

It's all about discrediting the right. He wants the public to associate opposing the gay agenda with harassing mothers of dead soldiers. He wants people to hate the right and sympathize with dead gays. He wants to make people recoil in horror when we say being gay sends you to Hell.

He's only crazy like a fox. Sick thing is it's working. I know people who support gay marriage because of him, and sat down with their kids and told them how saying gays go to Hell is wrong. They're so shell shocked by the signs shoved at mothers who lost their sons that they can't see the real agenda.

Phelps is a left wing puppet, and the campaign is working.


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The real question with such groups is "What is going on under the surface?" "Where did he come from?" and "Whose larger purpose does he serve?"
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Spare us the rest of this bullshit, ok? He's a fag hater, and says that his god condones hatred, anything else?
The real question with such groups is "What is going on under the surface?" "Where did he come from?" and "Whose larger purpose does he serve?"
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Spare us the rest of this bullshit, ok? He's a fag hater, and says that his god condones hatred, anything else?
The real question with such groups is "What is going on under the surface?" "Where did he come from?" and "Whose larger purpose does he serve?"

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Uh....actually he was a civil rights attorney.
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are you freeking SERIOUS?

this whole operation is FULL OF HATERS that put ALL other hater organizations to SHAME! Not just homosexuals.

The vomit that spews from their mouths is beyond human. Of all of the ET threads I've ever read on this site, I'm guessing that the Phelps crew is NON HUMAN. I don't think that many psychopaths could live under one "roof" without imploding on each other. This level of human-hate HAS to be alien! I'd really love to see some of THEIR video-tapes prove ANY OF THEM to be reptilian.

I have been curious, however, that SOME function of the government hasn't stepped in. How twisted that the rights of the worst haters are protected by the constitution. This is confusing to me.

I feel sorry for the children involved.
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are you freeking SERIOUS?

this whole operation is FULL OF HATERS that put ALL other hater organizations to SHAME! Not just homosexuals.

The vomit that spews from their mouths is beyond human. Of all of the ET threads I've ever read on this site, I'm guessing that the Phelps crew is NON HUMAN. I don't think that many psychopaths could live under one "roof" without imploding on each other. This level of human-hate HAS to be alien! I'd really love to see some of THEIR video-tapes prove ANY OF THEM to be reptilian.

I have been curious, however, that SOME function of the government hasn't stepped in. How twisted that the rights of the worst haters are protected by the constitution. This is confusing to me.

I feel sorry for the children involved.
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Can you say reading comprehension? The article talks of the guy being a PLANT.

I know.... you don't even like to entertain that thought do you?

Oh go back to watching your MTV and Oprah....it will all come out in the wash.
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The real question with such groups is "What is going on under the surface?" "Where did he come from?" and "Whose larger purpose does he serve?"
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Come one...think it through.
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are you freeking SERIOUS?

this whole operation is FULL OF HATERS that put ALL other hater organizations to SHAME! Not just homosexuals.

The vomit that spews from their mouths is beyond human. Of all of the ET threads I've ever read on this site, I'm guessing that the Phelps crew is NON HUMAN. I don't think that many psychopaths could live under one "roof" without imploding on each other. This level of human-hate HAS to be alien! I'd really love to see some of THEIR video-tapes prove ANY OF THEM to be reptilian.

I have been curious, however, that SOME function of the government hasn't stepped in. How twisted that the rights of the worst haters are protected by the constitution. This is confusing to me.

I feel sorry for the children involved.



Can you say reading comprehension? The article talks of the guy being a PLANT.

I know.... you don't even like to entertain that thought do you?

Oh go back to watching your MTV and Oprah....it will all come out in the wash.
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wow
a bit testy there 402. I comprehend ... and I comprehend PLANT. I was merely suggesting I disagreed with you.....if you can handle that....I don't think he's a plant....I don't believe he's even HUMAN! Guess I didn't spell it out for you like that.
um....MTV and Oprah.....paleeeeezzeee....get over yourself. If you don't want someone else to disagree or even express an opinion....probably shouldn't post.
I think it's an interesting concept that the Phelps org could be a plant.....but one doesn't have to watch or hear much of what is said by ANYONE in that camp, to realize the depth of hatred involved. It seems NOT HUMAN to me.
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This guy kinda has a different viewpoint on it:

:""" Who is Fred Phelps?

Fred Phelps is often used by the Left as the embodiment of right-wing "base." As with most assertions of the Left, they're completely incorrect.

Fred Phelps is a Democrat. (That's a big D Democrat, not a small d democrat).

Apparently, Fred called in to Air America Radio and it stirred up the DUers a bit. See this post as well.

Now, Fred Phelps isn't really a reverend or a pastor, any more than Charles Manson was a pastor. His Westboro Baptist Church is actually just a compound that houses his entire extended family. Interestingly, Al Gore found it a great location to have a fund raiser.

While the Left certainly abhors religion, they seem to have some things in common with Fred:

1. Anti-War
2. Love Fidel
3. Love Saddam
4. Love Algore

In the 1980s, the Phelps family were strong political allies with then-senator Al Gore. The home of Fred Jr., Phelps' eldest son, located in the Westboro compound, acted as Gore's campaign quarters for one of his senate races, and the Westboro compound was host to a fundraiser. Numerous photos exist on the internet of Fred Phelps Jr. and his second wife, Betty Phelps-Schurle, posing with Al and Tipper Gore in Phelps Jr.'s home. Phelps also served as a Gore delegate on the floor of the Democratic National Convention in Atlanta in 1988. [60]

During Bill Clinton's presidential campaign, Fred Phelps Jr. and members of Westboro campaigned for Gore, though simultaneously attacking Hillary Clinton. In January 1993, Fred Phelps Jr. and Betty Phelps-Schurle were invited to the inaugural ball in Washington, D.C.[61]

In the ensuing years leading up to Clinton's second presidential campaign, Gore and Clinton took increasing pro and neutral stances on homosexuality. Thus, Westboro turned against Gore, who nevertheless invited Fred Phelps, Marge, Fred Jr., and Betty back for the 1997 inauguration; they responded by bringing the entirety of Westboro to the White House and picketing on the front lawn during the ball, [62] with signs proclaiming that Gore, Clinton, and both men's families were going to hell, not necessarily for their stances on homosexuality, but because they had "betrayed" Westboro. [63]

In 1998, Westboro picketed the funeral of Gore's father, screaming vulgarities at Gore and telling him "your dad's in Hell." [64]

Phelps has run in numerous Democratic primary elections for governor of the state of conservative Kansas, in 1992, 1994, and the last time in 1998, when he came in last with 15,000 votes out of a total of over 103,000 votes cast, or 15%.


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Now, while the Left points to Fred Phelps as a great example of the rightwing, fundie base, it is clear that he is simply a deranged nutter or (plant)? From what I've read, his "compound" and his Westboro Baptist Church is made up completely of his family members. I will not try to assert that Phelps is part of the Democratic base - as long as they reciprocate. He gets attention from the Left (from the Progressives, Air America Radio, etc) precisely because they try to promote him as just a rank & file, "intolerant" Republican. However, I find his positions on every issue to be repugnant.

If the Left wants to truly smear a political party using this guy, I say fine... let's get a copy of his voter registration card. I have a feeling that the Dems would not be happy with the result."
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John D. had the following to say on Nov 2 at 7:10 AM:

If I didn't know better I would suspect that Phelps and his followers are double agents, masquerading as conservative Christians (or the world's idea of conservative Christians, anyway) in order to discredit same.

I hope the public, Christian and non-Christian, will understand that Phelps and company are not what our faith is all about. I'm sure many buy into the stereotype, however.
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Denise: I sincerely doubt whether Phelps or his band of nutjobs even qualifies as a Christian. My personal theory: they are a gay rights faction--funded by gay rights groups under the table--acting to sabotage Christians.

Ya know 'em by their fruits. And theirs smell more like the local sewer than like anything fit for human consumption.
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Loris had the folowing to say on Nov 2 at 8:07 AM:

That man is disgusting. It's sad how the lunatic fringe can do so much to discredit real Christians.
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Amir Larijani had the following to say on Nov 2 at 5:33 PM:

Andrew:

What I have described is not an unconscionable scenario, especially when you look at who is really benefiting from the charades (the gay rights groups) and who is really getting hammered (Christians).

I am not a conspiracy theorist, but--being intellectually honest--saboteurs are not unprecedented in history.
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John P --

Many historians believe that the Nazis set the Reichstag fire, the shocking, fiery attack on the German parliament building that gave Hitler the pretext to seize dictatorial powers and, eventually, to invade foreign nations.

Decent-minded people have a hard time plumbing the depths of the human soul, and thus believing that someone would act in a conspiratorial and deceptive manner. Believe me, it happens
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Is “God Hates Fags” Leader Fred Phelps a “Gay Plant”?

GLEN ELLYN, IL, August 17, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Illinois Family Institute Executive Director Peter LaBarbera is condemning Kansas-based Fred Phelps, whose message, “God Hates Fags,” as one that “paint(s) any opposition to ‘gay rights’ as hateful.”
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LOL, squared and cubed!
That comment is the ULTIMATE p.r. scam.

By that standard:
Protestants surreptitiously engineered the Catholic Church's Inquisitions.
The entire "Religious Right" movement is a Liberal Christian plot.
The entire Liberal Christian movement is a "Religious Right" plot.
Islamic jihadists are Christian plants.
Christian nuts are Islamic-jihadist plants.
All of GLP's conspiracy buffs are plants by conspirators.

And the Illinois Family Institute MUST be a plant by the National Abortion Rights Action League -- an intentional attempt to make IFI seem as idiotic as possible.





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