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Sleepy Joe gonna love you long. Have fun kiddies. I’m with China on this one. Are there really people dumb enough to send their sons to war for a Biden? I wouldn’t piss on one if it was on fire.

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While some might think this piece of news is irrelevant in reality it is one of the most important items on this entire thread ... the move by the CCP to GLORIFY WAR to the Chinese People!!

Stir UP that Nationalism!
Stir UP that natural Chinese Ethnic Racism!
Stir the pot!! Just like Hitler did leading up to WW2 .... stir .. Stir .. STIR!!
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‘The Battle at Lake Changjin’ and China’s New View of War

War was once viewed as a danger to the ruling party. Now it is perceived as a way to strengthen CCP’s position.


"On China’s October 1 National Day holiday, while real-life People’s Liberation Army (PLA) fighter jets and other military planes sortied into the Taiwan Straits in record numbers, many Chinese celebrated by flocking to screenings of “The Battle at Lake Changjin,” breaking all box-office records. The 3-hour war epic commissioned by China’s propaganda department depicts a battle from the Korean War, where Chinese soldiers fought against the United States in what China calls the “War to Resist American Aggression and Aid Korea” (generally known abroad as the Korean War)

The film’s massive popularity arguably stems from China’s new view of war. Entering into military combat was formerly seen as a threat to the Communist Party’s hold on power. China’s military was not in a position to win. Going to battle and losing Chinese lives, even if it resulted in a territorial gain, was seen as potentially provoking a level of domestic unrest that could undermine China’s leadership. With the potential to topple the ruling party, war was off the table. Now it is perceived as a way to strengthen the CCP’s position.

This new perspective on war is expressed not only by the very top and the elite levels of society but also by the people. It has led to a new breed of online influencers known as “military fanboys.” Another sign of the changing view is that going to war has become a common theme of China’s state–backed publications. According to the editor-in-chief of the state-sponsored Global Times, the Chinese people and their leaders believe that there is “no way that we can talk to the US with reason, we can only talk to the US with strength and actions.” This is a transformation in perspective that increases the possibility of war.

While the impetus for this change in perception can be debated, there is little doubt that the change has happened. The willingness to go to war is now portrayed as an expression of self-confidence and pride.

... Once seen as a fool’s errand, Chinese soldier fatalities, even in the face of territorial wins, were unacceptable. Now the opposite is true. Battling for territory is now a symbol of China’s strength and power.
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War movie depicting brutal defeat of US Army tops China’s box office

"A Chinese propaganda film depicting the defeat of the US Army has become a box-office smash in the Communist country.

The three-hourlong war epic, “The Battle at Lake Changjin,” has grossed a whopping $769 million in China since its release less than three weeks ago, the Hollywood Reporter has revealed.

It’s currently on track to become the highest-grossing film in Chinese history..."


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War movie depicting brutal defeat of US Army tops China’s box office

"A Chinese propaganda film depicting the defeat of the US Army has become a box-office smash in the Communist country.

The three-hourlong war epic, “The Battle at Lake Changjin,” has grossed a whopping $769 million in China since its release less than three weeks ago, the Hollywood Reporter has revealed.

It’s currently on track to become the highest-grossing film in Chinese history..."


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China Says U.S.-China War Is Imminent

"China has now publicly announced that, unless the United States Government will promptly remove from China’s Taiwan province the military forces that it recently sent there, China will soon send military forces into that province, because, not only did the U.S. secretly send “special operations forces” onto that island, but because, “since the US has exposed the news through anonymous officials, it has taken a step forward to undermine, from covertly to semi-overtly, the key conditions for the establishment of diplomatic relations between Chinese mainland and the US.”

That statement — threatening to cut off diplomatic relations with the U.S. — comes from the Chinese Communist Party’s newspaper, Global Times’s editorial, on October 8th. Its editorials speak for the Chinese Government, at least as much as statements from the U.S. White House speak for the U.S. Government."


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American Chinese are awfully quiet. It would help to hear from them as they have relatives back in China.

They fled Communist China to make a better life, perhaps only to fall back into it here.
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Article in Stars and Stripes!!!!
The War Drums sound lounder ....

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Retired Marine colonel says US should weigh nuclear war with China over Taiwan

"The U.S. government needs to make clear that Americans will fight and risk nuclear war on Taiwan’s behalf, a former Marine and consultant on Asian defense matters said Tuesday.

“Make it clear to the Chinese leaders that they will lose everything if they start a war over Taiwan,” retired U.S. Marine Col. Grant Newsham, a senior researcher with the Japan Forum for Strategic Studies in Tokyo, wrote in an email to Stars and Stripes. “The U.S. also needs to take the lead and help Taiwan break out of 40 years of military and diplomatic isolation.”

... On Saturday, during an event to commemorate the overthrow of China’s last imperial dynasty in 1911, Chinese President Xi Jinping said peaceful reunification was in the interest of the entire nation, including the Taiwanese people.

However, Xi has previously vowed to “smash” attempts at Taiwan independence and said the issue cannot be passed from generation to generation forever.

... The U.S. military, including much of the Marine Corps, has tended to dismiss Chinese capabilities, Newsham said.

“This is dangerous and condescending, in my opinion,” he said.
“I'd say the Chinese probably were capable of assaulting Taiwan at least seven or eight years ago, though with no guarantee of success. They have improved capabilities since then and keep improving.”


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My bike is made in Taiwan. Good quality. It's from the mid 90's and is holding up very well.

Fuck China. I gave my neighbor a modern Schwinn bike for free that was made in China because I prefer my better quality bike from Taiwan that's almost 30 years old now.
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And everyone knows that Fender guitars made in Japan are better than the cheap Chinese ones. What do Commies know about good music??? My Stratocaster is made in the U.S. though.
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We’re not in competition with China; we’re at war, argues a provocative new book


. . . . "The Wires of War"
"Technology and the Global Struggle for Power"



"If China once seemed to be committed to the free market economy, over the course of 2021, it has shattered that illusion entirely by abruptly disempowering its own tech companies and turning up the dials on media censorship at the direction of a president who, three years ago, oversaw the erasure of presidential limits from the country’s constitution. (These were a short-lived experiment, in any case, given that China has been “dominated for thousands of years by absolute monarchs,” as NPR noted at the time, with term limits first introduced in the 1980s.)

The U.S., and Silicon Valley in particular, needs to be paying much closer attention to this consolidation of power, suggests Jacob Helberg, who is co-chair of the Brookings Institution China Strategy Initiative, a former senior adviser to Stanford’s Cyber Policy Institute and a former news policy lead at Google. (He was also an adviser to U.S. Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg during his presidential campaign.) In a gripping new book titled “The Wires of War: Technology and the Global Struggle for Power,” Helberg lays out how China’s “techno-totalitarian” regime may be first impacting the Chinese people (its “first victims,” he says), but why its efforts to increasingly control the software and the hardware of the internet are a real and present and fast-escalating danger to the U.S. and democracies everywhere.

...but one of the short-term costs that we need to seriously start thinking about is: How much is it going to cost for us to move our supply chains out of China? Because that’s going to cost money and require effort, and it’s going to be hard. But the potential cost of us being cut off from access to our supply chains is so high that it’s worth the relatively lower costs of putting in the effort, energy and time to do this before it’s too late...."



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Besides giving us a War of Choice (ie: fight a War and spend US Blood and Treasure on behalf of another nation) vs. a War of Necessity . Bush also gave us so much distraction that WE, the US, took our eyes off of the REAL THREAT to the US and ENABLED our potential future opponent to not just "Arm Up", but to "Arm Up" with the R&D and needed manufacturing facilities being PAID FOR by the United States!!

Even after hundreds of thousands of innocents deaths "The Bushes 'Gifts'" just keep on giving ...
(was that the NeoCon's/AIPAC's REAL plan all along? - this is a Conspiracy Site, right?)

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After 9/11, China grew into a superpower as a distracted U.S. fixated on terrorism, experts say

... on the morning of Sept. 11, Al Qaeda extremists hijacked four airliners and crashed three of them into the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon in Virginia. America's attention abruptly shifted to the "war on terror."

U.S. troops deployed to Afghanistan and the Middle East, and the challenge posed by China was set aside for nearly two decades.

"It was an incredible geopolitical gift to China," said Kishore Mahbubani, Singapore's former U.N. ambassador.

"It was a huge mistake for the United States to focus on the war on terror, because the real challenge was going to come from China," said Mahbubani
, a distinguished fellow at the National University of Singapore.

... "While you were busy fighting wars, China was busy trading," said Mahbubani, the author of "Has China Won?"

As the U.S. was bogged down fighting Islamist militants in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere, China's economic and military power grew exponentially. Beijing built up its missile arsenal, extended its reach in the South China Sea by constructing artificial islands, stole intellectual property on a massive scale and pursued predatory trade tactics, experts say.

...The U.S. spent an estimated $8 trillion on the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and on other fronts in the fight against terrorism, according to a report by the Costs of War Project at Brown University.

Lewis said the money could have been spent on research and development, modernizing the country's infrastructure, building high-tech weapons "and all the things we could have done over the past 20 years."

...While China ratcheted up defense spending on ship-killing missiles in the western Pacific and expanded its navy, the Pentagon revamped the Army to take on insurgents in the Middle East armed with AK-47s, and the Air Force grew accustomed to operating with total air superiority.

"We gave them 20 years, and we retooled our military for a fight totally irrelevant to the principal security challenge of today..."



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A US-China War Over Taiwan
Appears Not Only Inevitable, But Imminent



"... Barely two weeks after the US, the UK and Australia announced the formation of AUKUS – a security alliance between the three Anglosphere countries to contain and deter Chinese military aggression in Indo Pacific – Taiwan’s defence ministry reported that a record 56 Chinese military aircraft entered Taiwanese airspace on multiple occasions on 4 October, which followed the previous record set on both Friday and then Saturday, with 38 and 39 aircraft reported, respectively.

... reunifying the breakaway island territory sits at the centre of Beijing’s desire to avenge its “century of humiliation”, and that it is at the centre of Washington DC’s objective to maintain primacy over Indo Pacific, a region that will soon account for the lion’s share of the global economy.

The second piece to this confrontation is Taiwan’s semi-conductor industry, accounting for roughly 75% of the world’s integrated circuit manufacturing capacity
with the US controlling 100% of the key chips required to build semi-conductors. This has led some analysts to draw parallels between China’s current and future need for the technology with Japan’s need for oil in the 1930s, which led it to launch military action across south-east Asia and the Pacific in 1941. ...

... Two years ago, in what would be his first major speech on Taiwan, Chinese President Xi Jinping warned that Taiwan’s reunification was inevitable, saying that “we make no promise to renounce the use of force and reserve the option of taking all necessary means” and that “Taiwan’s independence goes against the trend of history and will lead to a dead end”.

...These realities could force Beijing to take on a “now or never mentality… and grab what it can before it’s too late”, warn Brand and Beckley, who argue that “the most dangerous trajectory in world politics is a long rise followed by the prospect of a sharp decline”."


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Well worth watching since we are potentially on the cusp of a potential War with China (possibly starting as early as in the next 75 days)

WAR with China from an Australian perspective and HOW CLOSE is it to occurring?
60 Minutes Australia
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Sept 21, 2021 program (40 minutes long)

Originally I thought China would NOT be moving on Taiwan until AFTER the Winter Olympics (ala like Russia moving on Crimea immediately after the Sochi games in 2014), but with the Winter Olympics looking increasingly like a Bust it also looks to me like China has potentially moved up it's time line to BEFORE the scheduled games.

A big question remains on the timing wrt it's Party Congress which will conclude on Oct 29 and the announced, but as of yet publicly unscheduled, CCP Central Committee Meeting that is to take place in November.

Those of you who do not follow China may be unaware that the CCP has limited the Premier to 10 years in office ever since Mao, and Xi became Premier in 2012 so "IF" the protocol of the last 50 years is followed Xi will no longer be Premier AFTER the Party Conference in the fall of 2022.

Xi has stated several times that he will NOT leave the Taiwan question to the future. That he intends to "resolve" the issue before he leaves office.

UNLESS Xi is intending to have the CCP "CHANGE" it's now 50 year protocol as to how long a Premier can serve that means he MUST MOVE on Taiwan sometime before the end of November of 2022 so that the issue is "resolved" before he leaves office. Of course Xi has made some rumblings that he may want to stick around, and if that is the case then he may choose to "defer to the future" the resolution of the Taiwan issue.

"IF" he is going to follow protocol, willingly or unwillingly, that means he HAS to move on Taiwan sometime during the next 12 months, starting from NOW!

Over the next couple of days I will add some other links to this thread so that those who care to follow the WAR with China dynamic as it is developing this month and next can educate themselves and stay somewhat up to date.

PLEASE DO NOT CLUTTER THIS THREAD with posts that are irrelevant to the issue. This is too serious of an issue for some of the typical Religious Ramblings, Trump Stolen Election Ramblings, and totally unrelated Ramblings that tend to clutter up most GLP threads about serious issues.

PLEASE keep this thread focused on what may be the beginning Acts of a MAJOR War for the US.


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25 posts down is a Quote by the Top Chinese Military Person saying War between the US and China is inevitable. In the article is this comment by Maj. Gen. Richard Coffman, director of the US Army's Next Generation Combat Vehicle Cross Functional Team:

"I think that means that you [China] are willing to STRIKE FIRST because, if it's inevitable, why would you wait for your adversary to strike first?"




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Excellent job op.

Worth watching the vid and following the thread.

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To add a little "Excitement" to this thread ... just a little peek at what is happening on the OTHER side of the world

(now that China and Russia teamed up to JOINTLY steam their warships TOGETHER near Japan 3 days ago - OH and WHERE did those warships go AFTER their joint exercise? From the reports I hear they did NOT go back to their respective ports in China and Russia ... but instead headed EAST into the Pacific, umm)
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WAR GAMES Russia stages ‘Ukraine invasion’ drills with 40 warships & 30 planes in huge show of strength in the Black Sea


"RUSSIA has staged massive "invasion" drills in Crimea with more than 40 warships and 30 jets taking part in a terrifying show of strength.

The war games involved missile launches, practice bombings and simulated landings with footage released by Defence Ministry TV channel Zvezda.

This is the latest in a succession of major military exercises ordered by Putin this year.

A Russia military spokesperson said forces conducted “simulated hostilities” involving “mock armed groups entered (Crimea) with the aim of carrying out terrorist attacks and destabilising the situation in other regions of the Southern Federal District”.

“The coastal troops of the Black Sea Fleet worked out practical actions to secure anti-sabotage defence of a section of the coast and fought with naval assault groups and naval landing forces," said a Black Sea Fleet statement.

Among the ships taking part was the Black Sea Fleet's flagship the Moskva while the Kamov Ka-52 Alligator attack helicopters were also on display. ..."


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A NEW GENERATION OF UNRESTRICTED WARFARE


"In 1999, two [little known] Chinese colonels wrote a book called "Unrestricted Warfare", about warfare in the age of globalization. Their main argument: Warfare in the modern world will no longer be primarily a struggle defined by military means — or even involve the military at all.

They were about a decade and a half before their time.

Colonels Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui argued that war was no longer about “using armed forces to compel the enemy to submit to one’s will” in the classic Clausewitzian sense. Rather, they asserted that war had evolved to “using all means, including armed force or non-armed force, military and non-military, and lethal and non-lethal means to compel the enemy to accept one’s interests.” The barrier between soldiers and civilians would fundamentally be erased, because the battle would be everywhere. The number of new battlefields would be “virtually infinite,” and could include environmental warfare, financial warfare, trade warfare, cultural warfare, and legal warfare, to name just a few.

They wrote of assassinating financial speculators to safeguard a nation’s financial security, setting up slush funds to influence opponents’ legislatures and governments, and buying controlling shares of stocks to convert an adversary’s major television and newspapers outlets into tools of media warfare. According to the editor’s note, Qiao argued in a subsequent interview that “the first rule of unrestricted warfare is that there are no rules, with nothing forbidden.” That vision clearly transcends any traditional notions of war.

"Unrestricted Warfare" was an explicit response to the reigning Western military orthodoxy of the time. The preface is dated January 17, 1999, which the authors note was the eighth anniversary of the outbreak of the 1991 Gulf War. In many ways, their argument refuted many of the Western lessons drawn from that conflict:

...By 1999, U.S. military thinking was dominated by the revolution in military affairs and network centric-warfare, which relied on advanced technologies to give the United States total battlefield dominance.

But Qiao and Wang argued that the battlefield had fundamentally changed. It was no longer a place where militaries met and fought; instead, society itself was now the battlefield.
Future wars would inevitably encompass attacks on all elements of society without limits. Military battles resembling those of 1991 might become secondary elements of conflict — if they even occurred at all.

Today, the United States, and increasingly the rest of the world, thoroughly depends on web connections built in cyberspace. The internet dominates all aspects of global trade, economics, communications, and even societies. And that makes Unrestricted Warfare even more relevant today than when it was published — because waging war without limits is now simpler and easier than even its authors could have envisioned.

The nation will always need military forces to defend against foreign military threats. But the U.S. armed forces — which remain the strongest and best-resourced in the world — provide virtually no defense against the cyber vulnerabilities that affect every American business and household. And the ever-expanding Internet of things (IoT) only increases those vulnerabilities."


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At this point everyone should be reminded of this story from last month:


The Pentagon's first software chief RESIGNS in protest because the US has 'already lost' the AI war with China and is '20 years behind its technology'


"The Pentagon's first ever chief software officer resigned last month in protest at the slow pace of technological transformation in the U.S. military, claiming the failure to respond to China winning the Artificial Intelligence battle is putting the U.S. at risk.

Nicolas Chaillan, 37, told the Financial Times after resigning: 'We have no competing fighting chance against China in 15 to 20 years.'

'Right now, it's already a done deal – it is already over in my opinion,' he added. 'Whether it takes a war or not is kind of anecdotal.'..."



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see also: Thread: China has won the AI battle against the US - Pentagon ex-software chief

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The now CLASSIC Book "Unrestricted Warfare" written by those two little known Chinese Colonels in 1999 who LEPT AHEAD of US thinking (much as Rommel's book on tank warfare LEPT AHEAD of any thinking of others in his time) is worth at least a scan by anybody interested in the theories of Modern Warfare. This book appears to clearly lay out the path that China has been following since 1999.


A pdf of an English abridged translation of the book is available at:
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The military should focus on strategic adversaries, not challenges like Covid and climate change



"The Defense Department is in trouble under the Biden administration. It surrendered to the Taliban and has been slow in responding to the challenge posed by China. Meanwhile, Pentagon leaders wasted time and resources developing a climate strategy, which they released this month.

At the root of these blunders is a failure to distinguish between strategic challenges posed by adversaries and problems such as climate change. Unless the military refocuses on deterring and winning wars, we will likely lose more conflicts...."



Sadly the rest of the story is behind a Paywall ... but I think the first two paragraphs says it all.
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WHO REALLY CONTROLS CHINA?

I know who.
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Background Information on the POOR state of the US Military to fight a Major protracted War, particularly one vis a vis China, from the Heritage Foundation

Be aware .... VERY discouraging to read ...

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US Military Is ‘Right There on the Edge.’ Here’s What’s Driving Its ‘Marginal’ Status.


“With aging equipment, a lack of adequate funding, and limited production capabilities, the U.S. military is ranked “marginal” at best. That’s the conclusion of the 2022 Index of U.S. Military Strength, an annual report from The Heritage Foundation that assesses the status of the military and the global threat level to the United States, which was released Wednesday....

...But when you look at a global competitor, I mean, China’s economy, you got 1.3 billion people, they’re making ships like no tomorrow. I mean, they add the equivalent of another country’s navy to their navy about every couple of years.

They already exceed the size of the U.S. Navy at 350-plus ships, plus their Chinese coast guard, plus their Chinese kind of maritime militia. So they’ve got a lot of vessels where if they have 350 to 500, depending on how you count those vessels, versus 60, 60 U.S. Navy ships in that part of the world....

...This is the kind of investment they’re making, building their own aircraft carriers, new classes of submarines. Their Navy is growing, as I mentioned, by leaps and bounds. So the U.S. Navy, if they can get the funding, which is a major question, they don’t plan to have 350 ships until the mid-2030s, possibly 2040, and yet, that’s what China has now. The U.S. Navy, even if they did get to those numbers, that would be distributed globally, as opposed to focused and concentrated like the Chinese are....

...I mean, more than 50% of our ships are greater than 20, 25 years old. The average age of an Air Force fighter aircraft is better than 30 years old. I mean, who drives a 30-year-old car? And yet, these are the high-performance fighters that were built 30 years ago that we’re asking our pilots to deal with. A lot of the Army’s equipment was built in the 1980s and 1990s....

...If you envisioned a war, for example, between the United States and China, there’s a distance thing. How do we project military capabilities 6,000, 7,000, 8,000 miles away from home? How many major bases or ports can we operate from to sustain that effort with food, and fuel, and ammunition? Can we replace equipment that would be destroyed in combat? Because that’s going to happen, right? Whereas in China, because they’ve been building new equipment at great rates of production, their production capabilities are set for that, and they’re only operating a few hundred miles from home, so they can use land-based things.

So I think it’s really up in the air, and I do know that there have been studies produced by organizations like the RAND Corp. and ALL that say that in a major war, let’s say, over Taiwan or something, the U.S. would probably lose and it’s because of the delay in getting equipment into theater. How do you operate it far from home bases? How do you replace losses?

So right now, for the new ballistic missile submarine that’s being built, a Columbia-class, it takes six and a half years to build one of these ballistic missile submarines. It takes four years to build an attack submarine. The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter is only produced in one factory in Fort Worth, Texas. One place, right? Abrams main battle tanks, if you thought you would have use of a tank in the Pacific theater, they’re only produced in one manufacturing facility in Lima, Ohio, by General Dynamics, right?

So we’re at single points of failure. ...


... because China has harnessed its great wealth, is a major economic power, all the stuff that it is now building is new stuff. It’s new design airplanes, new design ships and submarines....

...You have to have newer equipment that is able to do these very modern, complicated sorts of operations and train to do that, and they have been very serious about that in the last 15 or 20 years. So the new stuff that they are producing is about on par with United States’ stuff. Whereas the U.S. military was largely purchased, as I mentioned, in the 1980s and 1990s, ...

,,,So the overarching theme for the U.S. military is it’s getting old before it gets modern, and we’re starting to retire things like ships and old airplanes faster than we’re introducing the new replacement items, right? So you have this downward decline of aging and shrinking, even though wonderful designers, we’re just not introducing new equipment fast enough....

...Russia is not quite in that category. Its economy doesn’t compare with China’s or the United States’, but it realized that it’s largely a land power, and so, it can field very large land forces to have its way in places like Georgia and Ukraine, and if it wanted to do something around Belarus and up into the Baltic States and all that. So, it puts its money where its real strengths are, and that’s mostly land power, and it augments that with cyber capabilities and space-based stuff to make it more effective....

[... it’s actually the case that the [US] allies aren’t spending enough. They have very weak militaries with very little ability to project power any other place in the world, in their own home country, right? Cold War West Germany alone had at 5,000 tanks. Today, the combined Germany has fewer than 300....]

...So our military is very, very good at doing what it does. They don’t have enough capacity to do things at scale, and they’re still having to use equipment that, like we were talking about, was purchased 20, 30, 40 years ago. I mean, the average age of an aerial refueler, the tanker airplanes that refuel other airplanes, is better than 60 years old. So I mean, how are you supposed to use technology that was invented in the ’50s, and the ’60s, and the ’70s against a modern anti-air defense system that is currently in the field today, put forward by China and Russia?...

...Wood: So if you go to heritage.org/military, it’s the Index of U.S. Military Strength for this year coming up, 2022, and just a wealth of information. We’ve got 20 authors. Any statement we make is backed by research. We’ve got almost 2,300 footnotes, if you’re really into the research sort of world and all that. One hundred and twenty major programs were assessed, we have 156 or so major graphics that really powerfully illustrate some of the things that we’ve been talking about. And so, that’s the website, heritage.org/military...."



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Never thought Id say this. But good! We unfortunately need war. We are on a speeding out of control train right now globally. History has shown other times like this, only a real knock ya out war is the fix.
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What Could Cause World War 3?
Can you hear the war drums? Is World War 3 just over the horizon?


... War is, sadly, part and parcel of human history. As far as we can tell, humans have been at it for as long as our species has existed on this planet – and animals were in conflict before us.

...War could be a consequence of our biology, or a completely human construct initiated and maintained by organized societies. Like most things in life, the true underlying causes are likely a combination of the two schools of thought.

The triggers for war are pretty diverse but generally center around some common themes like the need for resources, conflicting ideas, expansion of territory, revenge for perceived wrongs, frustration with the status quo (i.e. revolution).

...Today, the world is a different place, at least on the surface, compared to the 1940s. However, people, and by extension nations, can have a very long memory. And we've had some very close calls since the end of the Second World War like The Korean War, The Berlin Crisis of 1961, The Cuban Missle Crisis of 1962, and the Yom Kippur War of 1973, to name but a few....


1. The ebb and flow of great power and "Thucydides Trap"

... many believe that another massive global conflict may happen in only a matter of time through a phenomenon called the "Thucydides Trap."

The premise of it is that throughout human history, there is a tendency towards war when an emerging power threatens to displace an existing great power for regional or international hegemony. Today, that would apply to the growing power and influence of the People's Republic of China and the decline of the power of the United States.

The term was coined in reference to the ancient Athenian historian and military general called, funnily enough, Thucydides. In his view, at the time of his writing, he suggested that the Peloponnesian War between Athens and Sparta was inevitable because of Sparta's growing anxiety over the growth in Athenian Power leading up to the conflict.

In Allison's view, of the 16, or so, times that a similar scenario has arisen over the last 500 years, the outcome has been an outright war in 12 cases. In the other four cases, he notes, [War] was avoided through either some imaginative statecraft or pure chance.

For example, one of the case studies that did not end in war was between the rising United States and the British Empire at the turn of the 20th-century. The United States would ultimately surpass and replace the British as a dominant global power but as an ally of Britain, not an enemy.

While this theory, of course, has its critics, it is a compelling argument and one that may predict all-out war erupt as China's economic and military power continues to rival that of the United States.


2. Taiwan might be the straw that breaks the camel's back

Taiwan is something of unfinished business for the Chinese Communist Party.

...The People's Republic of China (PRC), to this day, considers Taiwan as part of China and does not recognize the legitimacy of the ROC. If China decides to invade the island, this could, some fear, trigger a chain of events that could escalate very quickly....


3. Prepare yourself for the water wars

...If the pessimists are right, water and food shortages will likely not be taken lightly by much of the world's population. After all, food scarcity was one of the major triggers for the French Revolution.

...we may be entering a period of increased civil unrest, revolutions, and, perhaps, state-on-state struggles for control of basic commodities. It is not difficult to see how this could trigger a global war the likes of which we've never seen.


5. Electronics wars on the cards?


...Pretty much all electronics require a good deal of mineral raw materials and chemicals that, if supply were to dry up, would pretty much bottleneck electronic production. Typical common key resources include materials like copper, lithium, tin, silver, gold, nickel, and aluminum.

The pressure on these resources is also being accelerated with the global push to decarbonize and switch to renewable technologies and electrically power vehicles too.

Some of these key resources, like lithium, for example, are not universally abundant or available, and maintaining access to them has become something of a national security issue for many nations....


6. Mass migration may spark the next world war too


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WHOA!! HUGE Change in US Policy - War now "Guaranteed"?
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Biden sparks confusion with commitment to Taiwan’s defence if Beijing attacks
US president affirms that Washington would defend the island if it was attacked by mainland forces, contradicting long-standing position


"US President Joe Biden said the United States would come to Taiwan’s defence if China attacked the self-governed island, prompting confusion about whether his administration remained committed to the long-held US policy of “strategic ambiguity”.

Asked by CNN’s Anderson Cooper during a prime-time town hall event on Thursday whether the US would defend Taiwan if it was attacked by mainland forces Biden responded: “Yes, we have a commitment to do that.”"


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Is the Navy totally at sea?


"The U.S. Navy is adrift in unfriendly seas. Befuddled by tough choices, dogged by inadequate training and crippled by poor judgment, our sea service is ill-prepared to meet its greatest challenges since World War II.

Look at the forces lining up against it: A bellicose China that threatens Taiwan and the entire Western Pacific, as well as a resurgent Russia, bent on claiming the entire melting polar region as its own. Our Navy appears to drift from shoal to shore, pursuing strategies and tactics that seem obsolete from the day they are implemented. From fleet design to basic training, our admirals and senior civilian leaders are behaving in ways reminiscent of Jimmy Breslin’s “The Gang that Couldn’t Shoot Straight.”

...A more recent study commissioned by Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) reaffirmed those findings and illuminated a problem that was even more insidious: a “paralyzing zero-defect mentality” that pervades the Navy. One mistake, and an officer’s career is over. (The Cotton Report noted that had such a culture existed prior to World War II, four of America’s greatest admirals — Chester Nimitz, William Halsey, Ernest King and William Leahy — never would have risen past the rank of captain, and never would have helped lead us to victory at sea.)

...The Navy is hamstrung by too many demands for its presence, a too-small fleet to meet them, and its “zero-defect” mentality. As a result, it can’t even conceptualize the nature of future wars: It recently announced it wouldn’t be able to complete its future fleet design plan until 2023.

Not knowing what ships the Navy should build to accomplish current and future missions is a serious weakness. But so is constructing a fleet that is ill-suited to a mission or simply doesn’t work as promised. This is what happened when the Navy introduced two variations of its littoral combat ship (LCS) — small, fast, supposedly flexible vessels that were designed to have “plug-and-play” modules to allow them to be quickly reconfigured for evolving mission needs. Ten years after their introduction into the fleet, the ships are being retired as quickly as possible — less than halfway through their expected service life — to make funds available for an entirely new class of frigate.

...The nuclear aircraft carrier USS Gerald R. Ford was originally supposed to join the fleet in 2018 but is only now expected to be fully operational in 2024 — at a cost billions of dollars more than initially budgeted. Incredibly, that’s small potatoes compared to the nearly $1 trillion in overall cost increases for its F-35 aircraft.

...So where did the Navy decide to save money? Several weeks ago, it announced that it would be closing base libraries, 48 auto hobby shops, and cutting back gym and pool hours — in an effort to save $280 million. Granted, $280 million is a lot of money, but it doesn't begin to make a dent in billion- and trillion-dollar cost overruns.


Moreover, nothing could be more shortsighted or have a more devastating impact on Naval morale than cutting these services. The Navy’s backbone is its personnel. It’s insultingly bad policy to tell sailors they are not important enough to merit ping-pong tables.

...The stupidity of this decision is staggering. Every young officer and NCO learns from day one that their most important job is taking care of their people. Ships, strategies, tactics are all secondary to people. When I mentioned this decision to some enlisted Marines, they were staggered: “Do they not understand what impact this will have on mental health? Are they not aware of the suicide problem plaguing the military? It is the little things, like gym availability and pool hours, that contribute to morale and mental health. Otherwise, it’s just drinking and tattoos.”



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Since the US has NO Defense Treaty with Taiwan the US President currently has NO legal authority to go to War over Taiwan.

The proposal discussed below proposed by these Democrats, and the Republicans in the House and Senate, WOULD give the President the UNILATERAL AUTHORITY to take the US to a full scale War with China over Taiwan with NO DEBATE and NO Voting of a Declaration of War by the Congress.

For a War that has the potential to turn into a full scale World War this is an even bigger avoidance by Congress of it’s War Powers under the Constitution than what it gave to President Bush in 2001.

I am sure John Bolton is THRILLED!!

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Give Biden War Powers Over Taiwan? . Some want to


"There is an ongoing debate between centrist Democrats and progressives in Washington over giving President Biden war powers to go to war with China in the case that Beijing invades Taiwan, Foreign Policy reported on Wednesday.

The centrists are in favor of expanding Biden’s authorities even though any military action against China risks nuclear war, while the progressives favor the current policy. One Democrat in the House, Rep. Elaine Luria (D-VA), the House Foreign Affairs Committee vice-chair, made the case to give Biden the war powers in an op-ed for The Washington Post.

...Luria’s concern is that if China moves to take Taiwan, getting authorization from Congress would take too long. "So if you can’t act quickly enough, China overwhelmingly takes Taiwan," she told Foreign Policy.

Luria frames the need for authorization to fight China as necessary to "de-escalate" the situation despite the obvious risks. "Without the ability for the president to react immediately, any delay would prevent the United States from responding, at a lower level of conflict, to repel an invasion and de-escalate the situation," she wrote in the Post.

Republican hawks have already drawn up legislation that would give Biden the authority to go to war with China over Taiwan.

..."A policy of ambiguity may not be the most emotionally satisfying for DC hawks, but it’s working," Duss said. "The dangers of creating another open-ended war authorization should be obvious.""


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Chinese leader vows ‘no room’ for compromise on Taiwan after Biden pledges defense


"A Chinese ministry leader warned the United States that there is “no room” for compromise when it comes to Taiwan.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin reiterated the Chinese government's stance on the island it considers a part of its country a day after President Joe Biden said the U.S. would defend the Taiwanese in a military incursion.

“When it comes to issues related to China’s sovereignty and territorial integrity and other core interests, there is no room for China to compromise or make concessions, and no one should underestimate the strong determination, firm will and strong ability of the Chinese people to defend national sovereignty and territorial integrity,” Wang said, according to the Associated Press.

He also called the island, which claims its independence from China, an “inalienable part of China’s territory” and described the issue as “purely an internal affair of China that allows no foreign intervention.”


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China Outraged at Biden’s Military Pledge for Taiwan – Despite White House Walkback


"... China expressed outrage Friday at comments by President Joe Biden, blasting his assertions that the U.S. would defend Taiwan in the case of a Chinese invasion, despite swift White House denials of any policy change.

... Beijing, however, appears to have accepted Biden's initial remarks as the truth.

"Neither the U.S. nor any other potential adversary should underestimate the resolve, determination and capability – or scale – of China's intent to protect its national sovereignty and territorial integrity", Wang Wenbin, a spokesman for the Chinese Foreign Ministry, said early Friday."


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China’s Military Declares Biotechnology Warfare as its Fundamental Guiding Principle
China’s People’s Liberation Army believes that biological weapons, not nuclear weapons, are the key to global military dominance.


"... In his 2008 book, “Biological Outlook on War and Foresight of Biotechnology Supremacy,” Colonel Guo elaborated on the application of biotechnology in bio-based war, representing the “Third Leap” in military strategy:

“The third leap includes biotechnology and related sciences that develop and grow on the basis of information technology (including advanced computer and communication), nano-science and other convergence technologies, where biotechnology and biomedical science (including genetic engineering), cognitive science (including cognitive neuroscience) are comprehensively applied. It will cause huge quantitative changes in the combat environment, combat methods, space-time relationship, military structure and function, and will eventually cause new qualitative changes, which will bring about profound changes in modern military history. The operational level change brought by this military transformation is the further extension of the theory of power control with modern biotechnology as the main feature.”

Colonel Guo’s comments did not just represent the random musings of one particular Chinese military officer, but were concepts embraced by China’s People’s Liberation Army and became embedded in its military doctrine.

In his 2012 article “Development of military biotechnology and the future of bio-based war,” Major General Fu-Chu He wrote:

“As an emerging technology, military biotechnology expands the concept of weaponry and equipment, and becomes an important driving force behind the weaponry and equipment development. In recent years, great breakthroughs have been made in many fields of military biotechnology, such as synthetic biology, brain-computer interface and brain control, biological materials, bio-inspired machinery, bio-fuels, bio-electronics, bio-computing and non-lethal weapons, leading to the birth of new operational concepts. In future wars, military biotechnology will promote the bio-based weaponry and equipment, bio-based forces and bio-based combat style.”...

... None of the above seems to have drawn the attention of those responsible for U.S. national security.

Clearly, the U.S. Department of Defense and U.S. intelligence agencies lack a basic understanding of the direction and extent of China’s biotechnology warfare program...."


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As a personal observation.

In some responses from the Chinese Government after President Biden's comments on Thursday evening (US time - Friday AM Beijing time) China directly said that Biden did NOT have the power to unilaterally decide to get involved in a conflict between China and Taiwan ... ie: the Chinese clearly understood the current limits of Biden's power and that the War Powers Act as it currently stands does NOT allow him to CURRENTLY act unilaterally wrt a Taiwan Intervention.

THAT issue that at least for the moment Biden can NOT act unilaterally combined with the fact that there is now Pending Legislation in the Congress TO ALLOW Biden to act unilaterally and get the US involved in a China-Taiwan dispute at his discretion "MAY" push the Chinese to ACT QUICKLY before that legislation can get through Congress in the next couple of weeks.

(it is proposed by some NeoCon Democrats and fully supported by the Republicans ... so it WILL pass and pass quickly imo)

I don't think China intended to move on Taiwan just yet, it's logistics train is probably NOT filled and ready to move, but China may feel like their hand is being forced so as to Move BEFORE the US can legally under it's own laws, without a vote of Congress, become directly involved in any military action by China over Taiwan.

In other words there is a REAL RISK of China moving on Taiwan in the next few days BEFORE the US President is legally allowed to get the US involved without direct Congressional Authorization.


(ie: have the takeover mostly completed BEFORE the US Congress can authorize any intervention action)

I think most in the US are clueless as to HOW CLOSE TO WAR the China - Taiwan dispute is at the moment, and are failing to consider how that would affect the US and our absolute NEED for both Chinese goods and Taiwan semi-conductors for keeping our own economy going. (China is at risk too ... FOOD and oil are their risk areas)

Hopefully nothing happens in the near future wrt China - Taiwan ... but this moment in time has many of the earmarks of the stumbling into a major War that occurred during the summer of 1914 where nobody in power was expecting the escalation that was about to occur. Even when the War actually broke out in August everybody on both sides thought they would be home well before Christmas of 1914.

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It's inevitable at some stage. The whole world vs China.
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Problem is China, Russia, Pakistan & now of course the Taliban are all going to be on that set...
and who knows who else.
I wish Russia was on the wests side, they are so more suited to be with not against us.

May war be avoided for it will bring with it horrors so deep for all they simply cannot be imagined.
We have ONE earth, we all reli on to live, It is well past time humans realized we need to stand together as a collective and work to protect earth, environment & ALL the Animals that live here (humans included).
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