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FOR CORONACOASTER: COVID-19 News, Info, Discussion /// Tracking the Spread of the Virus and its Effects /// Era of Omicron!!!

 
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For the ones that think its over.

The first phase migt be, but long term looks grim.
And brings us back to the start, how many times did we all mention its ariboune aids.
The evidence is shaking




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TheSeeker268: "Omicron variant infections were associated with 52%, 53%, 74%, and 91% reductions in risk of any subsequent hospitalization, symptomatic hospitalization, ICU admission, and mortality, relative to Delta variant infections."


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TheSeeker268: New study by US CDC finds that, as compared with the Delta variant, Omicron variant infection were "associated with substantially reduced risk of severe clinical endpoints and shorter durations of hospital stay." [link to www.medrxiv.org (secure)]
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ITS OVER
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I hope so.

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For the ones that think its over.

The first phase migt be, but long term looks grim.
And brings us back to the start, how many times did we all mention its ariboune aids.
The evidence is shaking




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The evidence is flimsy
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By that i mean even influenza depletes your immune system for sometime

There is no evidence covid lingers in your cells destroying t cells
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S-man - is it over for the vaccine free??

New no boost
Herd immunity and vaccine free is the only way……
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By that i mean even influenza depletes your immune system for sometime

There is no evidence covid lingers in your cells destroying t cells
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hesright
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By that i mean even influenza depletes your immune system for sometime

There is no evidence covid lingers in your cells destroying t cells
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hesright
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That said...if anyone has any evidence covid stays in your body slowly killing your immune system like HIV then lets see it.

This probably would of been noticed by now 2 years later and would be easy to find.

The implications of that are obvouisly human beings and most mammalian life would likely go extinct
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Exception dead people and the autopsy reports. Obviously deceased have no working immune system. Just in case someone post an autopsy report.
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S-man - is it over for the vaccine free??

New no boost
 Quoting: ParamedicUK

LAUNDRY LIST. I am hoping the following is true:

1. The population at large has at least some immune exposure/memory to the Nucleocapsid, E & M proteins as well as Spike.

2. The broader exposure (i.e. immune system has 'seen' this virus as a whole, not just the volatile spike.. will do better for future immune memory than the injections.

3. The selection pressure induced by a Spike-only approach may have gone, for now. The virus will be forced to play by Nature's rules.

4. The vaccinated have an immune response which is as good for future variants in the longer term as the unvaccinated (this needs to be true, even for unvaccinated people, to keep a 'herd' immunity situation in play)

5. I want to see some Official results and recommendations for theraputics; in particular HCQ and Cathepsin-blockers.

6. I want to see some evidence that the virus has significantly lower propensity to infect (at least) Kidney, Heart cells.

7. I am still concerned about the Nucleocapsid which - when I looked at Wuhan-1 - had a huge prion propensity. Bigger even than the spike.. I have not yet run the Omicron version of this protein through PLAAC. (The spike now looks ok in PLAAC). Nucleocapsid: [link to www.nature.com (secure)] (see the plot on Page 3, top-left.)

8. Shedding. I will be avoiding vaccinated people for some time.

Feel free to add to this.

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TheSeeker268: "Omicron variant infections were associated with 52%, 53%, 74%, and 91% reductions in risk of any subsequent hospitalization, symptomatic hospitalization, ICU admission, and mortality, relative to Delta variant infections."


[link to twitter.com (secure)]
TheSeeker268: New study by US CDC finds that, as compared with the Delta variant, Omicron variant infection were "associated with substantially reduced risk of severe clinical endpoints and shorter durations of hospital stay." [link to www.medrxiv.org (secure)]
 Quoting: S-man


ITS OVER
 Quoting: ParamedicUK

I wish. This is really sad.."Insult and injury to overwhelmed NHS staff".. [link to www.theguardian.com (secure)]
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TheSeeker268: "Omicron variant infections were associated with 52%, 53%, 74%, and 91% reductions in risk of any subsequent hospitalization, symptomatic hospitalization, ICU admission, and mortality, relative to Delta variant infections."


[link to twitter.com (secure)]
TheSeeker268: New study by US CDC finds that, as compared with the Delta variant, Omicron variant infection were "associated with substantially reduced risk of severe clinical endpoints and shorter durations of hospital stay." [link to www.medrxiv.org (secure)]
 Quoting: S-man


ITS OVER
 Quoting: ParamedicUK

I wish. This is really sad.."Insult and injury to overwhelmed NHS staff".. [link to www.theguardian.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Lago


However I am one of those….

AND about to be sacked !
Herd immunity and vaccine free is the only way……
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S-man - is it over for the vaccine free??

New no boost
 Quoting: ParamedicUK

LAUNDRY LIST. I am hoping the following is true:

1. The population at large has at least some immune exposure/memory to the Nucleocapsid, E & M proteins as well as Spike.

2. The broader exposure (i.e. immune system has 'seen' this virus as a whole, not just the volatile spike.. will do better for future immune memory than the injections.

3. The selection pressure induced by a Spike-only approach may have gone, for now. The virus will be forced to play by Nature's rules.

4. The vaccinated have an immune response which is as good for future variants in the longer term as the unvaccinated (this needs to be true, even for unvaccinated people, to keep a 'herd' immunity situation in play)

5. I want to see some Official results and recommendations for theraputics; in particular HCQ and Cathepsin-blockers.

6. I want to see some evidence that the virus has significantly lower propensity to infect (at least) Kidney, Heart cells.

7. I am still concerned about the Nucleocapsid which - when I looked at Wuhan-1 - had a huge prion propensity. Bigger even than the spike.. I have not yet run the Omicron version of this protein through PLAAC. (The spike now looks ok in PLAAC). Nucleocapsid: [link to www.nature.com (secure)] (see the plot on Page 3, top-left.)

8. Shedding. I will be avoiding vaccinated people for some time.

Feel free to add to this.
 Quoting: S-man


I am really concerned by the ability of the jabbed to deal with future variants and other respiratory illness due to priming and general reduction of immunity????
Herd immunity and vaccine free is the only way……
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The other side of the Omicron wave..what to expect?
"It will all come down to human behaviour."... [link to www.theguardian.com (secure)]
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That said...if anyone has any evidence covid stays in your body slowly killing your immune system like HIV then lets see it.

This probably would of been noticed by now 2 years later and would be easy to find.
..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45660458


Check out Patterson and his discovery that the non-classical monocytes CD16+ still harbour the spike 15 months after infection. Granted, that may not be the whole virus, but we know the spike alone does damage (like DNA-repair inhibition)..
[link to www.biorxiv.org (secure)]

GOOD ARTICLE SUMMARIZING PREPRINT:
[link to www.healthrising.org (secure)]

Vaccination, too..
PATTERSON MAY HAVE FOUND SPIKES FROM VACCINE IN THE MONOCYTES OF HEALTHY CONTROLS!..
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VaccineTruth2: Robert Malone has said you need to measure duration, distribution, and amount for the spikeprotein. FDA never did this; one of our researchers did. They found spike protein is still circulating 5 months from vaccination in 100% of patients tested (6 people; random pick). pic.twitter.com/RdL75ZqjId

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VaccineTruth2: One of the 6 had spike in 15% of his monocytes!!! This is NOT limited to 5 months out... This could last for years, we just don't know yet. The 6 were randomly picked. They wanted to use them as "healthy controls." Then the researchers freaked out when they found this. Whoa.

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VaccineTruth2: Anyone can verify this but nobody in academia will attempt to do this. The results will be too embarrassing. It will prove Malone was right the whole time about importance of measuring those 3 things. He said this on the Darkhorse podcast that was censored on YouTube.

NB: if All 6 had spikes in monocytes, and there is a 10% chance then 0.1^6 is MINISCULE 1/1,000,000. So this is happening. Unfortunalely.

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That said...if anyone has any evidence covid stays in your body slowly killing your immune system like HIV then lets see it.

This probably would of been noticed by now 2 years later and would be easy to find.
..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45660458


Check out Patterson and his discovery that the non-classical monocytes CD16+ still harbour the spike 15 months after infection. Granted, that may not be the whole virus but we know the spike alone does damage (like DNA-repair inhibition)..
[link to www.biorxiv.org (secure)]

GOOD ARTICLE SUMMARIZING PREPRINT:
[link to www.healthrising.org (secure)]

Vaccination, too..
PATTERSON MAY HAVE FOUND SPIKES FROM VACCINE IN THE MONOCYTES OF HEALTHY CONTROLS!..
[link to twitter.com (secure)]
VaccineTruth2: Robert Malone has said you need to measure duration, distribution, and amount for the spikeprotein. FDA never did this; one of our researchers did. They found spike protein is still circulating 5 months from vaccination in 100% of patients tested (6 people; random pick). pic.twitter.com/RdL75ZqjId

[link to twitter.com (secure)]
VaccineTruth2: One of the 6 had spike in 15% of his monocytes!!! This is NOT limited to 5 months out... This could last for years, we just don't know yet. The 6 were randomly picked. They wanted to use them as "healthy controls." Then the researchers freaked out when they found this. Whoa.

[link to twitter.com (secure)]
VaccineTruth2: Anyone can verify this but nobody in academia will attempt to do this. The results will be too embarrassing. It will prove Malone was right the whole time about importance of measuring those 3 things. He said this on the Darkhorse podcast that was censored on YouTube.

NB: if All 6 had spikes in monocytes, and there is a 10% chance then 0.1^6 is MINISCULE 1/1,000,000. So this is happening. Unfortunalely.
 Quoting: S-man


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The vaccine is the virus!
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I guess I need to add this to the laundry list. I will do it... No long-term adverse effects from Omicron or the vaccines on the immune-systems of both vaccinated and unvaccinated people.

EDIT
I am really concerned by the ability of the jabbed to deal with future variants and other respiratory illness due to priming and general reduction of immunity????
 Quoting: ParamedicUK


I think this is point 4. And I will add ADE/ OAS

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S-man - is it over for the vaccine free??

New no boost
 Quoting: ParamedicUK

LAUNDRY LIST. I am hoping the following is true:

1. The population at large has at least some immune exposure/memory to the Nucleocapsid, E & M proteins as well as Spike.

2. The broader exposure (i.e. immune system has 'seen' this virus as a whole, not just the volatile spike.. will do better for future immune memory than the injections.

3. The selection pressure induced by a Spike-only approach may have gone, for now. The virus will be forced to play by Nature's rules.

4. The vaccinated have an immune response which is as good for future variants in the longer term as the unvaccinated (this needs to be true, even for unvaccinated people, to keep a 'herd' immunity situation in play). EDIT: This includes no ADE, OAS or pathogenic priming.

5. I want to see some Official results and recommendations for theraputics; in particular HCQ and Cathepsin-blockers.

6. I want to see some evidence that the virus has significantly lower propensity to infect (at least) Kidney, Heart cells.

7. I am still concerned about the Nucleocapsid which - when I looked at Wuhan-1 - had a huge prion propensity. Bigger even than the spike.. I have not yet run the Omicron version of this protein through PLAAC. (The spike now looks ok in PLAAC). Nucleocapsid: [link to www.nature.com (secure)] (see the plot on Page 3, top-left.)

8. Shedding. I will be avoiding vaccinated people for some time.

EDIT:
9. No long-term adverse AIDS-like effects from Omicron or the vaccines on the immune-systems of both vaccinated and unvaccinated people.


Feel free to add to this.
 Quoting: S-man


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The vaccine is the virus!
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I guess I need to add this to the laundry list. I will do it... No long-term adverse effects from Omicron or the vaccines on the immune-systems of both vaccinated and unvaccinated people.
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That’s a real big one matey
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By that i mean even influenza depletes your immune system for sometime

There is no evidence covid lingers in your cells destroying t cells
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For the ones that think its over.

The first phase migt be, but long term looks grim.
And brings us back to the start, how many times did we all mention its ariboune aids.
The evidence is shaking




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The evidence is flimsy
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No. It’s not. The RSV waves of spring and summer confirm the T cell issues.

But whatever helps you sleep at night.
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By that i mean even influenza depletes your immune system for sometime

There is no evidence covid lingers in your cells destroying t cells
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 Quoting: Roughwildfly


There’s actually a lot of evidence of chronic infection for some people at this point. That doesn’t necessarily mean it’s going to be AIDS of course. But it’s not ruled out either. They’ve detected residual RNA in multiple organs and in multiple samples in multiple studies. The virus absolutely does persist at least for a time in at least some people.

Now, it may simply be going dormant. Viruses do that. It doesn’t prove anything either way. Given the mutation rates we see, it seems unlikely to me that high viral replication is taking place in individuals. That doesn’t preclude low levels of replication.

But the virus DOES persist in the body for many people. We don’t know how many. Maybe 1%, maybe everybody. But it’s one possible explanation for a type of long Covid.

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UK Plot:

Cases-vs-admissions 5 days later (admissions up to 9th Jan, INCLUDES OMICRON PEAK.)
[link to ibb.co (secure)]

Three new points added to plot.

Peak at 218,724 cases (reported on 4-Jan), coresponding to 2,184 hospital admissions five days later on 9th Jan.

Dashed lines were added Dec 29th.
Peak was dead-centre to the prediction.

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Worth reading the whole tread.


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TheSeeker268: "Omicron variant infections were associated with 52%, 53%, 74%, and 91% reductions in risk of any subsequent hospitalization, symptomatic hospitalization, ICU admission, and mortality, relative to Delta variant infections."


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TheSeeker268: New study by US CDC finds that, as compared with the Delta variant, Omicron variant infection were "associated with substantially reduced risk of severe clinical endpoints and shorter durations of hospital stay." [link to www.medrxiv.org (secure)]
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ITS OVER
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I wish. This is really sad.."Insult and injury to overwhelmed NHS staff".. [link to www.theguardian.com (secure)]
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"We were called heroes last year'... [link to www.dailymail.co.uk (secure)]
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For the ones that think its over.

The first phase migt be, but long term looks grim.
And brings us back to the start, how many times did we all mention its ariboune aids.
The evidence is shaking




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The evidence is flimsy
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No. It’s not. The RSV waves of spring and summer confirm the T cell issues.

But whatever helps you sleep at night.
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Flimsy is an understatement. Let me guess, the whole world is infected and everyone has issues at this point. They are all missing and having organ failure. Nobody is battling father time, nobody retired early and everyone was healthy pre 2020 CV 19. Sounds about right.
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The evidence is flimsy
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No. It’s not. The RSV waves of spring and summer confirm the T cell issues.

But whatever helps you sleep at night.
 Quoting: CleverCreator


Flimsy is an understatement. Let me guess, the whole world is infected and everyone has issues at this point. They are all missing and having organ failure. Nobody is battling father time, nobody retired early and everyone was healthy pre 2020 CV 19. Sounds about right.
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You keep trying to oversimplify old problems. You can’t avoid infections any longer.
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