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RWF: Looks more like Omicron is milder to me.

And the vaccines don't work at stopping transmission or infection (they seem to help it! Whether that is immunological or promiscuity driven is another debate..).

At best, the vaccines are a theraputic to lessen symptoms - but even there it seems there is a bill to pay after 3 months, where the chance of symptomatic infection goes over and above the unvaccinated chance.
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should we define mild?

it may b mild if u get it the 1st time. if u had covid and get hit with OMI, u may find your have a much worse outcome.

try this- a paper cut is mild, hurts like hell thou. but if u continue to paper cut your arm, u will bleed to death after enuf of them.
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If you're on the margin of coming into a hospital with a chronic disease, covid will tip you over. Covid might not be as a reason for admission, but without covid there would have been no need for hospitalization. Massive surge of hospitalizations. These incidental infections are not so incidental for people with chronic conditions.



Map: Covid hospitalizations double in more than a dozen states in two weeks... [link to www.nbcnews.com (secure)]

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RWF: Looks more like Omicron is milder to me.

And the vaccines don't work at stopping transmission or infection (they seem to help it! Whether that is immunological or promiscuity driven is another debate..).

At best, the vaccines are a theraputic to lessen symptoms - but even there it seems there is a bill to pay after 3 months, where the chance of symptomatic infection goes over and above the unvaccinated chance.
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So mild in fact, that the national guard has been called into many states. People gotta stop using that no meaning word "mild".
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It is milder.

In the uk we have falling Mechanically Ventillated beds (777 yesterday, down from 900 on 4th Jan), despite our peak of 220k cases being 10 days ago (so those would be now registering, going in to hospital and some on vents)..

Hostpital beds are being freed up at roughly the same rate of admissions now, so we will soon have falling occupancy in the general COVID wards, too.

It infects via the endocytosis route; cannot enter lung cells very well - gets stuck in the upper respiratory area.

Probably won't cause the organ failure either as it can't use the ACE2/TMPRSS2 route well.

Still, I'll be watching for now. Not going licking doorknobs just yet..
 Quoting: S-man 81645476


Milder as in not on mechanical technology to survive? If we didn't have this technology, what people are experiencing would not be mild at all. They would be dead. Even those who are not hospitalized are not experiencing it as mild. We need to stop creating a scale based on the most sophisticated life saving technologies out there. Mild for people at home is 103-104 fever, sever body aches, severe soar throat, fatigue, GI problems, night sweats, etc. Mild is a hangnail.
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That's falling occupancy from Delta infections.
And here, the only treatment you'll be offered is when you're half-dead.
Omicron is less pathogenic.
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These things happen all the time. It's normal.

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Thread: I HAVE OMICRON. IVE HAD HUNDREDS OF WORSE HANGOVERS. IVERMECTIN DESTROYED IT IN 12 HOURS.

Another Common Coronavirus Cold Victim. Covid equals common cold. People have been dying from Coronavirus types for many many years.

The only thing changed was China led a worldwide propaganda campaign that would prevent their economy from tanking.

Also, satans demonically influenced minions are causing fear. They have been working overtime
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You are an idiot

There are many types of Coronaviruses

Human coronavirus is nothing like a betacoronavirus

Some like MERS would wipe out humanity
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nonsense -- there are other human betacoronaviruses.
e.g.: HCoV-OC43 HCoV-HKU1
None with a Furin Cleavage Site, I'll giv you that.
I'll also give you that this one has an engineered spike, which itself is pathogenic. BUT it has mutated into Omicron and become less-so.
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These things happen all the time. It's normal.


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The disbelief in the replies is astonishing.
Under 40y much more likely to be vaccine than COVID.
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Thread: I HAVE OMICRON. IVE HAD HUNDREDS OF WORSE HANGOVERS. IVERMECTIN DESTROYED IT IN 12 HOURS.

Another Common Coronavirus Cold Victim. Covid equals common cold. People have been dying from Coronavirus types for many many years.

The only thing changed was China led a worldwide propaganda campaign that would prevent their economy from tanking.

Also, satans demonically influenced minions are causing fear. They have been working overtime
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You are an idiot

There are many types of Coronaviruses

Human coronavirus is nothing like a betacoronavirus

Some like MERS would wipe out humanity
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nonsense -- there are other human betacoronaviruses.
e.g.: HCoV-OC43 HCoV-HKU1
None with a Furin Cleavage Site, I'll giv you that.
I'll also give you that this one has an engineered spike, which itself is pathogenic. BUT it has mutated into Omicron and become less-so.
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Hey everybody

Look at the dumbass comparing SARS and MERS to a common cold

Both are Coronaviruses...so they are just common colds right?

Spanish Flu was literally JUST A FLU

No biggie huh
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Thread: I HAVE OMICRON. IVE HAD HUNDREDS OF WORSE HANGOVERS. IVERMECTIN DESTROYED IT IN 12 HOURS.

Another Common Coronavirus Cold Victim. Covid equals common cold. People have been dying from Coronavirus types for many many years.

The only thing changed was China led a worldwide propaganda campaign that would prevent their economy from tanking.

Also, satans demonically influenced minions are causing fear. They have been working overtime
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80087769


You are an idiot

There are many types of Coronaviruses

Human coronavirus is nothing like a betacoronavirus

Some like MERS would wipe out humanity
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45349758

nonsense -- there are other human betacoronaviruses.
e.g.: HCoV-OC43 HCoV-HKU1
None with a Furin Cleavage Site, I'll giv you that.
I'll also give you that this one has an engineered spike, which itself is pathogenic. BUT it has mutated into Omicron and become less-so.
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Hey everybody

Look at the dumbass comparing SARS and MERS to a common cold

Both are Coronaviruses...so they are just common colds right?

Spanish Flu was literally JUST A FLU

No biggie huh
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45778613


You seem to me to be a little confused.
You understand that "Human Coronavirus" as you call it, contains four genera - of which beta-coronaviruses are just one.

I said there are other human beta-coronaviruses.
Some are more host-adapted, amd mild - like HCoV-OC43.

SC2, when it was brand-new new, was lab-engineered and extremely pathogenic.
But I have watched the spike evolve into Omicron, and a lot of its tricks are now gone.

It no longer uses the ACE2/TMPRSS2 route of cell entry.
All the Intrinsically Disordered Regions are gone from the spike, lowering it's prion-genic propensity.


And, even considering Omicron's huge transmissibility advantage, the bed occupancies (as a hangover of Delta) are falling.
Remember also, we are not treating it at all - until near death.
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Bah. Omicron is a pussy

I simply killed it with oil pulling and elderberry
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I killed it with running outside for 20 minutes in my shorts in 32 Degrees °F / 0°C.

Delta might have needed 30 minutes of running, who knows? We were in lock down under a programmed presumption.
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You are an idiot

There are many types of Coronaviruses

Human coronavirus is nothing like a betacoronavirus

Some like MERS would wipe out humanity
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I am sorry you are scared of the common cold.

If you have had common colds in the past, then you could have a certain immunity.


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After 2 years and you are still trying this bullshit angle? Just a cold? Man, some people are IMPOSSIBLE to educate.
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The study by scientists from Duke-NUS Medical School, in close collaboration with the National University of Singapore (NUS) Yong Loo Lin School of Medicine, Singapore General Hospital (SGH) and National Centre for Infectious Diseases (NCID) was published in Nature. The findings suggest infection and exposure to coronaviruses induces long-lasting memory T cells, which could help in the management of the current pandemic and in vaccine development against COVID-19.

The team tested subjects who recovered from COVID-19 and found the presence of SARS-CoV-2-specific T cells in all of them, which suggests that T cells play an important role in this infection. Importantly, the team showed that patients who recovered from SARS 17 years ago after the 2003 outbreak, still possess virus-specific memory T cells and displayed cross-immunity to SARS-CoV-2.

"Our team also tested uninfected healthy individuals and found SARS-CoV-2-specific T cells in more than 50 percent of them. This could be due to cross-reactive immunity obtained from exposure to other coronaviruses, such as those causing the common cold, or presently unknown animal coronaviruses. It is important to understand if this could explain why some individuals are able to better control the infection," said Professor Antonio Bertoletti, from Duke-NUS' Emerging Infectious Diseases (EID) programme, who is the corresponding author of this study.
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Although it takes the body time to produce T cells after exposure to the coronavirus, these soldiers have better memory than antibodies, which some COVID-19 patients don’t develop.

“Once the adaptive immune system has vanquished the invader, a pool of long-lived memory T and B cells are made. These memory lymphocytes remain dormant until the next time they encounter the same pathogen,” Dr. Raj Thaker, an immunology lecturer who studies T cells and B cells at the University of Essex, wrote in the Conversation.
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Remember back in summer of 2020 when the majority thought Fauci Assistant was telling the truth

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Although it takes the body time to produce T cells after exposure to the coronavirus, these soldiers have better memory than antibodies, which some COVID-19 patients don’t develop.

“Once the adaptive immune system has vanquished the invader, a pool of long-lived memory T and B cells are made. These memory lymphocytes remain dormant until the next time they encounter the same pathogen,” Dr. Raj Thaker, an immunology lecturer who studies T cells and B cells at the University of Essex, wrote in the Conversation.

Read more here: [link to www.bnd.com (secure)]
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The information in these two posts are in direct contradiction with information I received just last week from the lead microbiologist assisting Dr. Fauci. Go back several pages and you'll see her comments on immunity. In case you don't want to do that, I'll summarize: Natural immunity isn't going to happen. At least, not in our lifetime.
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Although it takes the body time to produce T cells after exposure to the coronavirus, these soldiers have better memory than antibodies, which some COVID-19 patients don’t develop.

“Once the adaptive immune system has vanquished the invader, a pool of long-lived memory T and B cells are made. These memory lymphocytes remain dormant until the next time they encounter the same pathogen,” Dr. Raj Thaker, an immunology lecturer who studies T cells and B cells at the University of Essex, wrote in the Conversation.
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NOTE: The vaccine cause spikes to be produced, which damage the ability of the body to produce memory t- abd b-cells.

i.e. the vaccines themselves diminish the Adaptive Immune system by impairing DNA damage repair (double-strand breaks, see below..)

I saw Dr Been describe this DNA-mending impairment as causing the b and t-cells to have less variability; less able to cope with variants. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] (intro 3 mins onwards, meat starts at 6m50s, t,b-cells/proliferation at 13m, b,t-cell variability 14m, DNA-repair effect on t,b-cells 19m)

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SARS–CoV–2 Spike Impairs DNA Damage Repair and Inhibits V(D)J Recombination In Vitro

"we report that the SARS–CoV–2 spike protein significantly inhibits DNA damage repair, which is required for effective V(D)J recombination in adaptive immunity. Mechanistically, we found that the spike protein localizes in the nucleus and inhibits DNA damage repair by impeding key DNA repair protein BRCA1 and 53BP1 recruitment to the damage site. Our findings reveal a potential molecular mechanism by which the spike protein might impede adaptive immunity and underscore the potential side effects of full-length spike-based vaccines"
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Although it takes the body time to produce T cells after exposure to the coronavirus, these soldiers have better memory than antibodies, which some COVID-19 patients don’t develop.

“Once the adaptive immune system has vanquished the invader, a pool of long-lived memory T and B cells are made. These memory lymphocytes remain dormant until the next time they encounter the same pathogen,” Dr. Raj Thaker, an immunology lecturer who studies T cells and B cells at the University of Essex, wrote in the Conversation.
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NOTE: The vaccine cause spikes to be produced, which damage the ability of the body to produce memory t- abd b-cells.

i.e. the vaccines themselves diminish the Adaptive Immune system by impairing DNA damage repair (double-strand breaks, see below..)

I saw Dr Been describe this DNA-mending impairment as causing the b and t-cells to have less variability; less able to cope with variants. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] (intro 3 mins onwards, meat starts at 6m50s, t,b-cells/proliferation at 13m, b,t-cell variability 14m, DNA-repair effect on t,b-cells 19m)

[link to www.mdpi.com (secure)]
SARS–CoV–2 Spike Impairs DNA Damage Repair and Inhibits V(D)J Recombination In Vitro

"we report that the SARS–CoV–2 spike protein significantly inhibits DNA damage repair, which is required for effective V(D)J recombination in adaptive immunity. Mechanistically, we found that the spike protein localizes in the nucleus and inhibits DNA damage repair by impeding key DNA repair protein BRCA1 and 53BP1 recruitment to the damage site. Our findings reveal a potential molecular mechanism by which the spike protein might impede adaptive immunity and underscore the potential side effects of full-length spike-based vaccines"
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CANCER
Herd immunity and vaccine free is the only way……

Peace not War.
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Poland collecting all the Delta variants?

https://imgur.com/ZRD9vMI
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NOTE: The vaccine cause spikes to be produced, which damage the ability of the body to produce memory t- abd b-cells.

i.e. the vaccines themselves diminish the Adaptive Immune system by impairing DNA damage repair (double-strand breaks, see below..)

I saw Dr Been describe this DNA-mending impairment as causing the b and t-cells to have less variability; less able to cope with variants. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] (intro 3 mins onwards, meat starts at 6m50s, t,b-cells/proliferation at 13m, b,t-cell variability 14m, DNA-repair effect on t,b-cells 19m)

[link to www.mdpi.com (secure)]
SARS–CoV–2 Spike Impairs DNA Damage Repair and Inhibits V(D)J Recombination In Vitro

"we report that the SARS–CoV–2 spike protein significantly inhibits DNA damage repair, which is required for effective V(D)J recombination in adaptive immunity. Mechanistically, we found that the spike protein localizes in the nucleus and inhibits DNA damage repair by impeding key DNA repair protein BRCA1 and 53BP1 recruitment to the damage site. Our findings reveal a potential molecular mechanism by which the spike protein might impede adaptive immunity and underscore the potential side effects of full-length spike-based vaccines"
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That might be your most important and best post to date.

Changing the DNA....

Soooo, a future vaccination could change your DNA even more.

Thats sounds like a potential MOTB. Not surprised.

Especially with "the Fear" that has been generated with this Bioweapon.

Don't worry still 3-4 years from that moment.
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RWF: Looks more like Omicron is milder to me.

And the vaccines don't work at stopping transmission or infection (they seem to help it! Whether that is immunological or promiscuity driven is another debate..).

At best, the vaccines are a theraputic to lessen symptoms - but even there it seems there is a bill to pay after 3 months, where the chance of symptomatic infection goes over and above the unvaccinated chance.
 Quoting: S-man 65294809


So mild in fact, that the national guard has been called into many states. People gotta stop using that no meaning word "mild".
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It is milder.

In the uk we have falling Mechanically Ventillated beds (777 yesterday, down from 900 on 4th Jan), despite our peak of 220k cases being 10 days ago (so those would be now registering, going in to hospital and some on vents)..

Hostpital beds are being freed up at roughly the same rate of admissions now, so we will soon have falling occupancy in the general COVID wards, too.

It infects via the endocytosis route; cannot enter lung cells very well - gets stuck in the upper respiratory area.

Probably won't cause the organ failure either as it can't use the ACE2/TMPRSS2 route well.

Still, I'll be watching for now. Not going licking doorknobs just yet..
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Milder as in not on mechanical technology to survive? If we didn't have this technology, what people are experiencing would not be mild at all. They would be dead. Even those who are not hospitalized are not experiencing it as mild. We need to stop creating a scale based on the most sophisticated life saving technologies out there. Mild for people at home is 103-104 fever, sever body aches, severe soar throat, fatigue, GI problems, night sweats, etc. Mild is a hangnail.
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I think a better term for Omicron would be "somewhat less lethal" than Delta. I agree, that there is nothing mild about this variant. That term was used to describe infections with prior strains, too, that didn't require hospitalization -- and I think that is part of why people refuse to take this virus seriously. "Less lethal" gets the point across more clearly.
Looks like freedom but it feels like death. It's something in between I guess... it's closing time.

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With the tory party chucking boris to the wolves and the BBC on the push for its over.

It really is over in the eyes of the government


 Quoting: Roughwildfly


With Covid.

Vaccine damage !
 Quoting: ParamedicUK


This whole "with" vs "of" debate is multi-faceted. Some people clearly die OF Covid .... they were healthy before, but then they get Covid, and die.

Some die "with" Covid ... say, they're in a car accident, they test positive when admitted to the hospital, and then they die of their accident injuries.

The problem lies in the middle, which is far less clear-cut. As an example, what about a diabetic, who has their diabetes managed well and is otherwise doing fine. That person gets Covid, and suddenly develops ketoacidosis (though they've never had a problem with that before.) In that case, it's likely that the Covid is what pushed them over the edge. Technically, the ketoacidosis is what killed them, but it wouldn't have happened without the Covid.

I used that example because that is one of the things that is happening with both acute Covid and post-Covid patients. There are a LOT of deaths that fall into this middle ground, where Covid seems to have brought about a death that otherwise would not have happened (heart issues, strokes, blood clots, etc. etc.)
Looks like freedom but it feels like death. It's something in between I guess... it's closing time.

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So mild in fact, that the national guard has been called into many states. People gotta stop using that no meaning word "mild".
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It is milder.

In the uk we have falling Mechanically Ventillated beds (777 yesterday, down from 900 on 4th Jan), despite our peak of 220k cases being 10 days ago (so those would be now registering, going in to hospital and some on vents)..

Hostpital beds are being freed up at roughly the same rate of admissions now, so we will soon have falling occupancy in the general COVID wards, too.

It infects via the endocytosis route; cannot enter lung cells very well - gets stuck in the upper respiratory area.

Probably won't cause the organ failure either as it can't use the ACE2/TMPRSS2 route well.

Still, I'll be watching for now. Not going licking doorknobs just yet..
 Quoting: S-man 81645476


Milder as in not on mechanical technology to survive? If we didn't have this technology, what people are experiencing would not be mild at all. They would be dead. Even those who are not hospitalized are not experiencing it as mild. We need to stop creating a scale based on the most sophisticated life saving technologies out there. Mild for people at home is 103-104 fever, sever body aches, severe soar throat, fatigue, GI problems, night sweats, etc. Mild is a hangnail.
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I think a better term for Omicron would be "somewhat less lethal" than Delta. I agree, that there is nothing mild about this variant. That term was used to describe infections with prior strains, too, that didn't require hospitalization -- and I think that is part of why people refuse to take this virus seriously. "Less lethal" gets the point across more clearly.
 Quoting: Doommonkey


My partner and I both had Omicron and we've both had worse colds and MUCH worse flu, it wasn't that bad, BUT, it was weird, symptoms felt unnatural and were unsettling
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These things happen all the time. It's normal.


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The disbelief in the replies is astonishing.
Under 40y much more likely to be vaccine than COVID.
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In my opinion (not that you asked), it could be either the vax, Covid, or possibly both at the same time. Covid itself can cause heart issues, and it does seem (preliminarily) that Omicron likes to go for the cardiovascular system rather than the respiratory system. I also suspect these players are vaxxed, as they are probably required to be so.
Looks like freedom but it feels like death. It's something in between I guess... it's closing time.

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RWF: Looks more like Omicron is milder to me.

And the vaccines don't work at stopping transmission or infection (they seem to help it! Whether that is immunological or promiscuity driven is another debate..).

At best, the vaccines are a theraputic to lessen symptoms - but even there it seems there is a bill to pay after 3 months, where the chance of symptomatic infection goes over and above the unvaccinated chance.
 Quoting: S-man 65294809


should we define mild?

it may b mild if u get it the 1st time. if u had covid and get hit with OMI, u may find your have a much worse outcome.

try this- a paper cut is mild, hurts like hell thou. but if u continue to paper cut your arm, u will bleed to death after enuf of them.
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If you're on the margin of coming into a hospital with a chronic disease, covid will tip you over. Covid might not be as a reason for admission, but without covid there would have been no need for hospitalization. Massive surge of hospitalizations. These incidental infections are not so incidental for people with chronic conditions.



Map: Covid hospitalizations double in more than a dozen states in two weeks... [link to www.nbcnews.com (secure)]
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Lago -- YES! I replied to an earlier post before I saw this post from you, but you are making exactly the point I was trying to make.
Looks like freedom but it feels like death. It's something in between I guess... it's closing time.

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UK study finds more Omicron hospitalisations in youngest children, but cases mild
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This whole "with" vs "of" debate is multi-faceted. Some people clearly die OF Covid .... they were healthy before, but then they get Covid, and die.


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Any individual can ASSUME themselves are Healthy. Any individual can ASSUME other people are Healthy. If this was 100 years ago, I would assume everyone is HEALTHY. This is 2022, Not everyone is healthy.

According to my resources, the hospitalized of Covid had preexisting comorbidities.

If you live with someone and feed them, then you can Assume they are healthy. Otherwise, your above statement is a far far stretch of imagination.
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It is milder.

In the uk we have falling Mechanically Ventillated beds (777 yesterday, down from 900 on 4th Jan), despite our peak of 220k cases being 10 days ago (so those would be now registering, going in to hospital and some on vents)..

Hostpital beds are being freed up at roughly the same rate of admissions now, so we will soon have falling occupancy in the general COVID wards, too.

It infects via the endocytosis route; cannot enter lung cells very well - gets stuck in the upper respiratory area.

Probably won't cause the organ failure either as it can't use the ACE2/TMPRSS2 route well.

Still, I'll be watching for now. Not going licking doorknobs just yet..
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Milder as in not on mechanical technology to survive? If we didn't have this technology, what people are experiencing would not be mild at all. They would be dead. Even those who are not hospitalized are not experiencing it as mild. We need to stop creating a scale based on the most sophisticated life saving technologies out there. Mild for people at home is 103-104 fever, sever body aches, severe soar throat, fatigue, GI problems, night sweats, etc. Mild is a hangnail.
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I think a better term for Omicron would be "somewhat less lethal" than Delta. I agree, that there is nothing mild about this variant. That term was used to describe infections with prior strains, too, that didn't require hospitalization -- and I think that is part of why people refuse to take this virus seriously. "Less lethal" gets the point across more clearly.
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My partner and I both had Omicron and we've both had worse colds and MUCH worse flu, it wasn't that bad, BUT, it was weird, symptoms felt unnatural and were unsettling
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I'm glad you didn't have serious symptoms, and I hope there are no long repercussions. I don't doubt that it presents as milder than a flu in many people, and probably many of those people will also recover fully. For others, however, it's serious enough to send them to the hospital or even kill them.

I think the problem with calling it "mild" is that people want to believe that it's just a cold, and behave accordingly. I had someone tell me just this past week not to worry about having to go do a bunch of business things in person, because Omicron is "mild." The problem is, I'm immunocompromised, so it may NOT be "mild" for me. (This person who said this to me knows that I'm immunocompromised, too, which irked me.)
Looks like freedom but it feels like death. It's something in between I guess... it's closing time.

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This whole "with" vs "of" debate is multi-faceted. Some people clearly die OF Covid .... they were healthy before, but then they get Covid, and die.


 Quoting: Doommonkey


Any individual can ASSUME themselves are Healthy. Any individual can ASSUME other people are Healthy. If this was 100 years ago, I would assume everyone is HEALTHY. This is 2022, Not everyone is healthy.

According to my resources, the hospitalized of Covid had preexisting comorbidities.

If you live with someone and feed them, then you can Assume they are healthy. Otherwise, your above statement is a far far stretch of imagination.
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Surviving COVID: Comorbidities Don’t Tell the Full Story

The group with the highest number of comorbidities, for example, did not have the worst outcomes and had a relatively low mortality rate, indicating that comorbidities alone are not responsible for variable COVID clinical courses.

The group of patients with the worst outcomes and most deaths had fewer comorbidities than expected but had higher levels of circulating inflammatory markers than the other three groups.

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I quite surprised that T cell is limited and stopped (or reduce) production after 20 years old.

Now Covid came in to get rid of our the T cell.


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Older adults also have fewer T cells that can respond to new infections or vaccinations. After around the age of 20, we mostly stop making new T cells and rely on keeping existing cells alive, says Goronzy, who studies aging’s effects on T cells. He likens this change to a city losing skilled laborers.

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The group with the highest number of comorbidities, for example, did not have the worst outcomes and had a relatively low mortality rate, indicating that comorbidities alone are not responsible for variable COVID clinical courses.

The group of patients with the worst outcomes and most deaths had fewer comorbidities than expected but had higher levels of circulating inflammatory markers than the other three groups.
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Someone with pre-existing conditions fully understands when they need to head their ass to the hospital. And they will be admitted with symptoms that are progressing.

Versus

Someone that is "healthy" and has "super immune strength" will wait till the last second and most likely find themselves in the ICU.

I am seeing patients with preexisting conditions come in with patches of pneumonia. And admitted to recovery floor.

A quick look at the records of patients in ICU, they are young coming in with full blown pneumonia and requiring more than just steroid and anti-biotic treatments





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