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It is real simple. Only is taxing UNREALIZED gains nearly impossible to track and deal with, but it is really short sighted as well. Think of what I am going to say from both the position as a corrupt politician as well as a victimized citizen. It will make more sense that way.

Why?

Let's talk about what this will REALLY do.

Simple example:

Before: You purchased stocks in company B for $100,000. You hold that stock for 2 years (more than 1 year) and sell it for $200,000 (you were lucky). Well you made $100,000 because you purchased for 100K and sold for 200K. That would be considered a "Long Term" capital gain because you held that asset more than 1 year. Therefore your tax would be 15% on $100,000 or $15,000 (typical at the moment). Ok cool.

Let's say for sake or argument you held that investment instead for only 8 months and sold. Well now grasshopper you don't pay 15% but your normal tax rate that you pay each year because it is a "short term" capital gain. What is your tax rate, 28%, 38%, what? It most likely is not 15% (and I doubt you are in the 10% nominal tax bracket).

After:

You will pay your full tax rate for EVERYTHING, because even if it is not taxed monthly (UNREALIZED GAINS) all filings are done YEAR TO YEAR and you will pay then. So there will be no way to carry any investment now "Long Term" as your "gains" will have to be calculated "annually" as filings are exactly 12 months.

So with "long term" gains you were paying $15,000. Now, assuming a 28% tax rate, you are paying $28,000.

Do you feel screwed over yet?

And what happens the next year if your "investment" drops to $100,000.. can you take the entire "loss" immediately or will the "giant seagull" make you take this loss over 15 years?????

LONG TERM INVESTMENTS will be GONE.

I was going to write out all the ways this will totally collapse all U.S. investment (for me too, as I will move everything offshore). I will leave that for everyone in the thread.

This is THE death blow to the economy and individual prosperity.

This administration really is doing everything possible, in my opinion, to remove every last bit of financial independence from us as they can.

I personally have had enough.

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Re: Tax on UNREALIZED gains is WAY WORSE than most have discussed. READ.
What about Real Estate?

Someone that bought a house - paid it down - or paid it off ?

Market value changes year to year BUT are at

ALL TIME HIGHS !!!

When the value falls - do they refund the tax ?

I bet they give an IOU for future taxes after they rape the land for cash
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What about Real Estate?

Someone that bought a house - paid it down - or paid it off ?

Market value changes year to year BUT are at

ALL TIME HIGHS !!!

When the value falls - do they refund the tax ?

I bet they give an IOU for future taxes after they rape the land for cash
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80870995


I assume (I know, stupid idea) that your "primary" residence will be exempt. But you can bet your ass that any investment properties will be re-assessed each year for gains.

No doubt about it.

The "mob" at work.
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The "One Star Turd" flew by... I guess my thread hit home. :)
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The "One Star Turd" flew by... I guess my thread hit home. :)
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it is worth more than that. Think of it like unrealized gains for stars.
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Also a way to tax inheritance. Got a house that your parents owned? It’s now considered an investment and gonna get taxed the moment they perceive even a slight rise in value. This is theft
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Also a way to tax inheritance. Got a house that your parents owned? It’s now considered an investment and gonna get taxed the moment they perceive even a slight rise in value. This is theft
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I thought this tax was only on the top 1%???
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This will end all investment in everything theoretically.

Pension funds insurance, companies, plain old you and me.

Sure would like some fact checking here..
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They raped me last year. Took my retirement savings...

Democrats must not have anything & think the average hard worker is 'the rich.' They are coming for our homes.
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OP, what you say is true, theoretically, but the bill is supposed to only target billionaires....


still doesnt set a good precedent but this only effects the top 1%.....supposedly




"Billionaire George Soros is "supportive" of the expected plan by U.S. Democrats to tax unrealized gains held by the country's roughly 700 billionaires, his spokesperson told Reuters Monday."

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It is real simple. Only is taxing UNREALIZED gains nearly impossible to track and deal with, but it is really short sighted as well. Think of what I am going to say from both the position as a corrupt politician as well as a victimized citizen. It will make more sense that way.

Why?

Let's talk about what this will REALLY do.

Simple example:

Before: You purchased stocks in company B for $100,000. You hold that stock for 2 years (more than 1 year) and sell it for $200,000 (you were lucky). Well you made $100,000 because you purchased for 100K and sold for 200K. That would be considered a "Long Term" capital gain because you held that asset more than 1 year. Therefore your tax would be 15% on $100,000 or $15,000 (typical at the moment). Ok cool.

Let's say for sake or argument you held that investment instead for only 8 months and sold. Well now grasshopper you don't pay 15% but your normal tax rate that you pay each year because it is a "short term" capital gain. What is your tax rate, 28%, 38%, what? It most likely is not 15% (and I doubt you are in the 10% nominal tax bracket).

After:

You will pay your full tax rate for EVERYTHING, because even if it is not taxed monthly (UNREALIZED GAINS) all filings are done YEAR TO YEAR and you will pay then. So there will be no way to carry any investment now "Long Term" as your "gains" will have to be calculated "annually" as filings are exactly 12 months.

So with "long term" gains you were paying $15,000. Now, assuming a 28% tax rate, you are paying $28,000.

Do you feel screwed over yet?

And what happens the next year if your "investment" drops to $100,000.. can you take the entire "loss" immediately or will the "giant seagull" make you take this loss over 15 years?????

LONG TERM INVESTMENTS will be GONE.

I was going to write out all the ways this will totally collapse all U.S. investment (for me too, as I will move everything offshore). I will leave that for everyone in the thread.

This is THE death blow to the economy and individual prosperity.

This administration really is doing everything possible, in my opinion, to remove every last bit of financial independence from us as they can.

I personally have had enough.
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Plus you are paying taxes those unrealized gains EVERY SINGLE YEAR. (not just once). That means every year you file taxes, you report 100K unrealized gains and pay $28,000 on $100,000 gain. So in four years you have paid MORE than what the gains are worth, effectively wiping out investment gains (that you never got, because they are "unrealized")
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I assume (I know, stupid idea) that your "primary" residence will be exempt.
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They'll take those by taxing in advance the inheritable value on death of the owner, then you get to live in it for the duration, but the entire value (or most) will be swallowed up against your estate (value of the house) when you die. It ends inheritable property, and with prices soaring, means the next generation will never own, no matter what.

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is Congress going to make themselves exempt? or they’ll never sign off on this

I suppose it could be done by EO, that brought us the flu being a threat to national security and creating the national vaccine task force with the military in charge, just before Wuhan

apparently, there is nothing they won’t do

I would consider offshore but what and where? they have a long reach
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Your only option is to go legally somewhere else
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They raped me last year. Took my retirement savings...

Democrats must not have anything & think the average hard worker is 'the rich.' They are coming for our homes.
 Quoting: Hadriana


How did you lose your retirement savings??
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It is real simple. Only is taxing UNREALIZED gains nearly impossible to track and deal with, but it is really short sighted as well. Think of what I am going to say from both the position as a corrupt politician as well as a victimized citizen. It will make more sense that way.

Why?

Let's talk about what this will REALLY do.

Simple example:

Before: You purchased stocks in company B for $100,000. You hold that stock for 2 years (more than 1 year) and sell it for $200,000 (you were lucky). Well you made $100,000 because you purchased for 100K and sold for 200K. That would be considered a "Long Term" capital gain because you held that asset more than 1 year. Therefore your tax would be 15% on $100,000 or $15,000 (typical at the moment). Ok cool.

Let's say for sake or argument you held that investment instead for only 8 months and sold. Well now grasshopper you don't pay 15% but your normal tax rate that you pay each year because it is a "short term" capital gain. What is your tax rate, 28%, 38%, what? It most likely is not 15% (and I doubt you are in the 10% nominal tax bracket).

After:

You will pay your full tax rate for EVERYTHING, because even if it is not taxed monthly (UNREALIZED GAINS) all filings are done YEAR TO YEAR and you will pay then. So there will be no way to carry any investment now "Long Term" as your "gains" will have to be calculated "annually" as filings are exactly 12 months.

So with "long term" gains you were paying $15,000. Now, assuming a 28% tax rate, you are paying $28,000.

Do you feel screwed over yet?

And what happens the next year if your "investment" drops to $100,000.. can you take the entire "loss" immediately or will the "giant seagull" make you take this loss over 15 years?????

LONG TERM INVESTMENTS will be GONE.

I was going to write out all the ways this will totally collapse all U.S. investment (for me too, as I will move everything offshore). I will leave that for everyone in the thread.

This is THE death blow to the economy and individual prosperity.

This administration really is doing everything possible, in my opinion, to remove every last bit of financial independence from us as they can.

I personally have had enough.
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Plus you are paying taxes those unrealized gains EVERY SINGLE YEAR. (not just once). That means every year you file taxes, you report 100K unrealized gains and pay $28,000 on $100,000 gain. So in four years you have paid MORE than what the gains are worth, effectively wiping out investment gains (that you never got, because they are "unrealized")
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this is obviously to cumbersome to enact and ridiculous to think it would be implemented across the board...please link an article stating this will happen to the middle class.
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I thought this tax was only on the top 1%???
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You belived a lying Marxist liberal Democrat? You are really stupid, now you can confirm your stupidity to yourself.
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What about Real Estate?

Someone that bought a house - paid it down - or paid it off ?

Market value changes year to year BUT are at

ALL TIME HIGHS !!!

When the value falls - do they refund the tax ?

I bet they give an IOU for future taxes after they rape the land for cash
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Those people who make all their money at wall street they got themselves a 15% flat tax. While the rest of us pay way more on much less income.

So liberals are going after the little guys 401k, letting the wall street friends (and themselves) a lot less in taxes.
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So, then there also should be refunds for unrealized LOSSES!
It's a two-way street, is it not?
Well, that would be logical and with deranged dems that's a bit to much to ask...

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I thought this tax was only on the top 1%???
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You belived a lying Marxist liberal Democrat? You are really stupid, now you can confirm your stupidity to yourself.
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please link any information stating this is happening to the middle class...

or stfu
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Goddammit, WHY can't they just leave us ALONE?!
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It is real simple. Only is taxing UNREALIZED gains nearly impossible to track and deal with, but it is really short sighted as well. Think of what I am going to say from both the position as a corrupt politician as well as a victimized citizen. It will make more sense that way.

Why?

Let's talk about what this will REALLY do.

Simple example:

Before: You purchased stocks in company B for $100,000. You hold that stock for 2 years (more than 1 year) and sell it for $200,000 (you were lucky). Well you made $100,000 because you purchased for 100K and sold for 200K. That would be considered a "Long Term" capital gain because you held that asset more than 1 year. Therefore your tax would be 15% on $100,000 or $15,000 (typical at the moment). Ok cool.

Let's say for sake or argument you held that investment instead for only 8 months and sold. Well now grasshopper you don't pay 15% but your normal tax rate that you pay each year because it is a "short term" capital gain. What is your tax rate, 28%, 38%, what? It most likely is not 15% (and I doubt you are in the 10% nominal tax bracket).

After:

You will pay your full tax rate for EVERYTHING, because even if it is not taxed monthly (UNREALIZED GAINS) all filings are done YEAR TO YEAR and you will pay then. So there will be no way to carry any investment now "Long Term" as your "gains" will have to be calculated "annually" as filings are exactly 12 months.

So with "long term" gains you were paying $15,000. Now, assuming a 28% tax rate, you are paying $28,000.

Do you feel screwed over yet?

And what happens the next year if your "investment" drops to $100,000.. can you take the entire "loss" immediately or will the "giant seagull" make you take this loss over 15 years?????

LONG TERM INVESTMENTS will be GONE.

I was going to write out all the ways this will totally collapse all U.S. investment (for me too, as I will move everything offshore). I will leave that for everyone in the thread.

This is THE death blow to the economy and individual prosperity.

This administration really is doing everything possible, in my opinion, to remove every last bit of financial independence from us as they can.

I personally have had enough.
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Taxing unrealized capital gains is essentially the same thing as taxing inflation... Which will destroy a currency and economy.
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This has already been happening a bit with AMT in certain situations. Say you exercise and hold stock options and then the price collapses as it did in 2000. I knew people back then who owed millions on money that did not exist.
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Can you imagine having to pay property tax AND an inside capital gains tax on your house EVERY YEAR???

every time your house appreciates in value- you pay.
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Taxing unrealized capital gains is essentially the same thing as taxing inflation... Which will destroy a currency and economy.
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Yes, that's Stage II, on from locking the world down and forcing working people to lose their jobs and exist on billions of dollars of borrowed money in handouts.

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So, then there also should be refunds for unrealized LOSSES!
It's a two-way street, is it not?
Well, that would be logical and with deranged dems that's a bit to much to ask...

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No, if you lose you don't get to deduct loses...You just pay no capital gains tax...
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If the pass this, I'm DONE paying taxes. FUCK THEM
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Well you gonna own nothing,and be happy...right?
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I thought this tax was only on the top 1%???
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they dont make new laws for their freinds...they do it for the slaves..because anyway...they dont fallow laws.

as Jesus teached..no one shall make Laws above the laws of my Father that i am passing down to you..because you will become slave to those laws.





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