HAS ANYONE READ THE Secret Teachings of All Ages by manly Hall

By repeating logical fallacies they do not become any less fallacious - I did not avoid a question which does not arise due to false premises.

And I do no discuss popular or fundamentalist misconceptions about what Hall or "the" gnostics supposedly say in their own terms (not the way you may use the words they use - for instance "Lucifer").

If you ever meet another educated person who is patient enough to tolerate your diatribes as long as I do you would do well to question your own naive assumption that there is an identical set of views behind any two people who seem similar due to their common use of some terms or signs. It would be rude to call such an assumption "stupid" but let's say it's under-complex or simplistic.

As regards Yeshua and his battle with the demons, I pointed out elsewhere:



It is erroneous to assume that Jesus was always so sure about the nature of his own power. That probably wasn't fully settled until the resurrection !

Sorry if I have to disappoint you, but this stuff has nothing to do with role playing or switching, hierarchy or
any of such primitive concerns of people stuck in tribal consciousness who project these onto such an unspeakable event as the Life of Yeshua and then make a conceptual religion of it. Concern of "is my spiritual dick bigger than yours" cease roughly about ankle deep into the ocean at the depths of which there never was "mine and yours" to begin with and never will be. And this is precisely why the unprepared tends to go mad in the face of the unimaginable, namely that the separate, independent individual has never existed and finds it difficult to regain a balanced mind. It is not that He was the Christ and Hall was the Christ too, it is that primordially there has never been anyone else than the Christ to begin with - the only begotten son. And do I believe that Hall had the same realization of this as did Yeshua ? Oh no, I don't, but he was a fairly good mythologist and makes a lot of things plausible. He likely also did enter the ocean ankle deep ("seething energies are in his hands" makes it clear that Hall was still far away from fully realizing that holder and held are really quite reverse and that in full realization there can be no more "seething" or any coming and going).

So no, I do not think there have been many of the stature of Jesus, and neither Hall nor any of those theosophist were anywhere near. But if Hall had been he wouldn't be so interesting to read since he would then likely have been equally enigmatic and hard to understand as Jesus who wasn't a teacher (except to his immediate disciples, especially Mary of Magdala) as much as an initiator to the whole planet.

I suggest you drop trying to put me in drawers and instead read this before you get even close to an idea where I am coming from:

[link to www.amazon.com]
[link to www.amazon.com]
[link to www.amazon.com]

But don't just read an interview and then some reports. read the books from front to back and then come back.

Anything else you do here is just a desparate demonstration of your lack of understanding and mental imbalance.

I will go to sleep now. Best wishes.

Yes, this is exactly my attitude towards the matter.




Precisely. My rule of thumb is that any group involving more than 3 people is usually generating sufficient stupidity to warrant the term "psychologically violent".

I was wondering if there could have been an exception. But how naive of me.

Thanks, your input has been helpful, believe it or not.

Peace !

Any yes, the spiritual path of any kind, once it goes into depth, is dangerous by nature.

"Thy will be done"

and Grace seems to be the only ultimate compass through the madness.

I see they will use their views to cement the NannyWOrder but that will occur whether I am against it or not...I do not support the deceptions
or the new age scams

yet you continue to do so ad nauseam ??? odd.


since you have cowered from my question about obama, i will assume you disassociated from him after the election. (better late than never ...though i see i have touched a nerve)

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OK, there is one question left for tomorrow:








Thanks in advance !

I think he likely was quite familiar with Gurdieff as any good mystic or scholar of esoterica has at some time read Gurdieff...


Take care and discern all most take the shortcut and lose something along the way...

Ciao

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Got the book a few years ago, a rare giant edition (only 500 printed), beautiful clear illustrations. This is a marvellous book, a good reference work to have.

'There is a book that will gone on sale soon that goes far beyond Blavatsky and Manly Hall, integrating ancient wisdom with modern science and revealing secrets of mystical and esoteric traditions for the first time. Some are saying that it is one of the most important books ever written because it provides irrefutable, mathematical evidence for the existence of God and decodes the sacred geometries of western and eastern religions, showing how they embody superstring theory, DNA structure and the human skeleton. The title is "The mathematical connection between religion and science" and the author is Stephen Phillips.' ( Anonymous Coward 846115)





If Anonymous Coward 846115 was Phillips himself, it would explain the post.

'There is a book that will gone on sale soon ' ( Anonymous Coward 846115)

Apparently it's been out in the UK:

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I am deeply interested with teachings of MPH and theosophy with M. Blavatsky , especially with mahatma letters. I have ordered and have seen a similiar artice about it. It seems interesting. [link to www.musicpsyche.org] Costed me fraking 42 GBP along with the shipping, a true pain in the arse. Let's hope it's worth it.

Good find Mikagon ! Bookmarked.

I just bought it new at a Unity bookshop and it is 747 pages, including bibliography and index.

Is that only in the giant edition ?

Darn, mine got here yosterdie, but it dis'nay has nun !

Which book are you two talking about, Secret Teaching of All ages or else? 500 limited prints? Now rare books I am deeply interested in.



No problem, I ordered that copy you mentioned only last one on Amazon and it says it will arrive before 10th of Jan. And as soon as I finish The Nine Unknown men I am reading I'll get my hands on it but don't worry I'll mention the indexes and rest inside.

Also while mentioning rare books, I have many rare books but I don't know if anyone would like to have them because there are so many and I need to put them in order but those ebooks I can assure you all the newest one is like 80s made. Masonic, buddhic, esoteric, etc. all mystic types. Just let me know. I would love to share my virtual library with a wise community like you guys.

From Nippon, ey ?

Domo arigato and Gassho !

You are very generous. But pray tell: how are we to go about it then ? You give them away or what ? Virtual library ? Put them on youtube ? Got a list of titles somewhere ?



Not everything new is bad, BTW:

Thank you Logos666. Well, nah. I can put all my ebooks on an any torrent website you'd like to get from and seed a lot. I will make a list within a week and give link within a few days, promise.

It's just olderer or more ancient the stuff is, the precious they get and as you can guess in our era, the newer the information -especiallynow- , the harder it is the get the essence.

Thanks for the link, something I didn know bout before.

Here is the first testament of them as I promised, there are the main categories, of what I have inside my external HDD;

[link to thepiratebay.org]

But they are not all I have, I have downloaded most of them, but I have also books on,
-Shadow philosophy,
-Mahatma letters and theosophy including Blavatsky writings(all),
-Phronesis(phro, not pyro)
-Ancient masonic texts,
-Knowledge of higher worlds, secret of light I-II,
-Audiotapes, EFT, NLP,
-Documenterial(right?) movies such as kymatica, big picture, labrynth of truth, raising eden,
-And if to come to the rare books, hmm I have the digital version of "Nine Unknown Men" in high scan and as word document,
-'Activating Divine Light',
-'Golden Book of Chemistry Experiments', probably originated from golden dawn, from 60s,
-Esoteric teachings from tibetians, 'Mentalphysics',
-Channel messages about consciousness, superconsciousness,
-Nikola tesla works, papers, missing works,
-'Terra Papers', 'Ra material', and also two of the Insiders,
-'Kaltem Gibson' Unleashing telekinetic ability(from my point of view he teaches it based on 'psi'(mental perception) ,
-Kuji-in, ninjutsu history,
-All atlantis rising magazines,
-All A. Crowley works,
-Valdamar Valerian(matrix I-V),
-Soulmates-soul twins, souls and
-"The Last Book" I am currently working on, a kind of book I'm plannig to release in future after I complete reading 'All of everything' and then comprehend information with the plot of the book and twist it in a subliminal way.

I am open to suggestions about categorizing them in a better way or new categories, it's one hell in my pc around 600 gb to orginize them properly but hmm it doesn't matter what I have but How I I am going to give them., The best way seems to be, is you request the material or the books to me, so If I have it, I will seed its torrent, If I don't have it on torrent , I will make one and then send it? Sounds like a good solution to me for now. But I will make a more organized list in a few days as I promised and send a better list, in the meanwhile during xmas, since I'm free I can keep organizing them,

Have a peaceful holiday to you all guys~
Mikagon.

Wow !


Kudos

Sorry that I forgot to log in before posting, that was me but if anyone would like to ask a question or have them privately, pm me or just write mikagon on google, you can find contact info. They are all my accounts. Well, most.

Secret Teachings of All Ages. About 20 years ago, I saw a hard-cover copy in an antiquarian book shop, a giant size (19"), beautiful cloth binding, gold lettering. The colour plates are phenomenal. Paid $135 for it way back when, it is selling for $1,300 US on the Internet. But I will not sell my copy, it is the kind of book to treasure. The edition I have was owned by one person before me, who took good care of it. The larger colour plates have protective vellum and there are fold-out sections of some of the larger illustrations......
Mine is the second edition, printing of 550 in the giant format. Beautiful thick paper too.

I know.

In case you ever have a version MPH's "Secret Teachings ..." uploaded that includes the bibliographic references and an index, that would be fantastic. The version I have, and the ones online

[link to www.manlyphall.org]

lack those.

The Internet Sacred Text Archive
Welcome to the largest freely available archive of online books about religion, mythology, folklore and the esoteric on the Internet. The site is dedicated to religious tolerance and scholarship, and has the largest readership of any similar site on the web.
[link to www.sacred-texts.com]

Blavatsky
Most of her writing online here:
[link to www.theosociety.org]
Click on H. P. BLAVATSKY, left-hand column

She pretty much started the New Age movement. Not a particularly nice lady and lacking in integrity, but brilliant. Read for background information only.

"The Essene Gospel of Peace"
[link to www.thenazareneway.com]

For information only. Szekely was an interesting character. As I recall, he used sprouted wheat stalks as a battery for energy. Very bright guy but possibly not completely to be believed. For instance, was he ever REALLY in the Vatican archives?

Lao Tzu
[link to www.amazon.com]

[link to www.hiddenmeanings.com]
I've been watching Bill's videos since 1991.


"Of Love and Lust", By Theodor Reik
All of his books are really great.

and, of course, all of Carl Jung

[link to rapidshare.com]

Here Logos666 a fascimile edition of the original hardcover published in 1928. You're welcome, say no more. Why I sent an old one? This is why.

[link to www.youtube.com]

I wish I had that... Such a gem to waste your time, worth reading even if it took years to complete and can't imagine all that effort and mind and patience bring all that material together... Oh by the way I forgot to mention I also have the all lectures of MPH around 9GB but I still miss some books of MPH that are sold on amazone, hope I will find them one day, somehow, somewhere. Don't like spending money why I still have hope and chance to know I can find them online. Or at least outlines.

Thanks Anka,

on this subject let me remind of this lineage:




Plenty of information on all gnostic texts:

[link to www.sophian.org]

You won't get around that one: Gracias !

A few things on this one:

1. as far as I can tell from a first glance, my copy contains all the pictures and text as this version, even though many pictures are way bigger and clearer in your version. That helps a lot !
2. This copy of yours likewise has no color illustrations and the ones shown in that video below are not in there either.
3. It also has no bibliography and index. So I am still looking for that.



Me too. Unbelievable ! Where did those color pronts go ? Which versions have them all ?

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Not that it matters, here's something related to my "name". Haven't read it so I cannot gague the quality of the information:

[link to www.biblewheel.com]

[link to www.sophian.org]

thx for that link I appreciate it





Take care

BTW, here is a good indication for

how I manage to dislike Freemasonry as an organized body

Thread: An Overview of Freemasonry

while at the same time feeling so sympathetic about Manly P. Hall.

What he taught had nothing to do with being a part of Freemasonry, even though he later became a mason.

Note 21:00 - 21:55 :






Another glance at the usual supposed demonic nature of Hall's belief is founded in an utter lie on the side of the so called, self-adorned "Christians" who on account of such lies and false denunciations obviously cannot have any particular influence of the Holy Spirit in them which would allow them so deserve such an appellation.

An example:

Here's a quote which seems to have been proliferated and copied throughout the so called evangelical world:



Besides the continued appeal to stupidity

(sufficiently discussed further up in this thread here - the stupidity of confusing "lucifer" with "devil" or "demon" or anything evil based on translation mistakes)

what such "quotes" conveniently omit is the context:




Clearly, Manly P. Hall is reporting on the very ceremonial sourcery which he utterly rejects and laments as being responsible for a spiritual and cultural decline. It is not what he himself advocates.

Now if a paranoid "christian" uses this as an argument against Manly P. Hall, it is like accusing a historian who laments the Nazis' saying "Kill all Jews" as himself being anti-Jewish.


If anything, such a twist would suggest that an "christian evangelical" who is willing to go to such lengths to create desparate and stupid lies is him- or herself an expression of the very "confuser", the diabolos, the devil, "King of Demons", of which he or she thinks he or she is warning, that he or she him- or herself is a participant in the kind of sourcery that Hall criticizes.

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I am all with the uncomfort many share about Hall having been a Freemason. But not because of what he taught. I assume he was too naive and humanistic to assume that the higher degrees of Freemasonry might in practice actually go counter the very principles they seem to promote.

So at worst, Manly P. Hall may have been the naive victim of the Freemason's inclusion strategy, but for the very reason of his benevolent naivety in this regard, his teachings cannot have been negatively influenced by his status as a mason - or he would have known and the teachings would have dramatically changed after his becoming a member.

'There is a book that will gone on sale soon that goes far beyond Blavatsky and Manly Hall, integrating ancient wisdom with modern science and revealing secrets of mystical and esoteric traditions for the first time. Some are saying that it is one of the most important books ever written because it provides irrefutable, mathematical evidence for the existence of God and decodes the sacred geometries of western and eastern religions, showing how they embody superstring theory, DNA structure and the human skeleton. The title is "The mathematical connection between religion and science" and the author is Stephen Phillips.' ( Anonymous Coward 846115)





I wonder if the author

[link to www.musicpsyche.org]

is the same as this Stephen M Phillips:

[link to dora.eeap.cwru.edu]

I think I will drop him an email.

Happy New Year !

FYI:

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