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EARTH - Flat or Globe - discussion

 
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OP i also want to add that the changes of the seasons are weakness in the FE model, not a strength.

I understand that you like the tropic of cancer / capricorn argument but i have to ask
A what moves the sun in a circle?
B what changes the circle?
C what is in control of the timing of such rotations or changes in the width of said rotations

from where do these force inputs originate?

secondarily, in the absence of a revolving horizon line (shadow line) what causes the difference between night and day? instead of seeing the sun get larger and larger like a star approaching in the darkness and bringing daytime with it as it travels, instead we see a sun "rise" (they've unironically called it that for thousands of years)
you can literally see it climb past the horizon, overcoming the shadow line to spill light into previously dark regions.

without the shadow line of the horizon, how does the sun know where to stop shining?
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M2: No, of course not. That is just illustrative. The answer to your question is FIVE TONS OF FLAX!
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holy crap we're all wrong!

apollo 8, christmas eve 1968 William Anders took a shot with a hasselblad 500 loaded with 70mm ektrachrome. through the window in lunar orbit

Earthrise is the title of the pic. all in one frame, pre digital photography.

not that old pics cant be altered, they can, but it takes a big rig and photoshop is way better.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

is a wiki link that claims to be a historic version of the photo that we want
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GP: Is that the answer to my question?
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It is also possible to shoot high altitude video of the earth and map that section of video onto a sphere to make it look like you’re looking at it from space.

You can also shoot video of astronauts under water against a green screen and then combine that video with the aerial footage described above.

You have to take their word for it that it’s real since it can’t be independently verified.
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and theres lots of video evidence proving that the ISS live feeds are faked...

Im not sure of anything, other than NASA lying, but the evidence for a flat plane is pretty convincing.



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For fuck sakes, plot the planets, study moon cycles, eclipses, etc. You realize flat earth dipshits have no mathematical models for anything in Astronomy 101.
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Every astronomical calculation relies on the "known" variables of the size and distance to the sun and moon.

If those were incorrect that means every subsequent calculation based on those numbers are also incorrect.

So tell me, can you, without any outside help, prove the size and distance to the moon, the sun or jupiter for example?

No, no you can't, so until you can stop referencing "astronomy 101" like is some kind of infallible holy gospel.
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"NASA photoshops so any pictures of the Earth are fakes" -- This is massive bullshit and yet another stupid contention by FEers.. Any decent photographer will engage in "post processing" work using Photoshop and other photo editing software. That doesn't mean they're faking the photo. It means they're taking out imperfections, glare, excessive shading, etc. to make it appealing. Portrait photographers do this all the time. That doesn't mean the subject in their photos is fake.
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Besides the usual, "obviously its a sphere, idiot" rhetoric. Let's discuss the merits of both models, using actual evidence and counter evidence.

Im perfectly fine to believe either, as long as it is the truth.

First and foremost, all supposed pictures of the Earth of space, are admittedly (by those that created the images) photoshopped. Lets start here and see where we go.
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A droplet of water, a bead of sweat. When equal pressure is applied to all sides of an object the only inevitable geometric outcome is a sphere.

Just how it is. It is called fluid dynamics and can't be disproved sorry to bust your bubble...oops another sphere, the damn things are everywhere. never seen a flat or even a square balloon either.

Rain drops are not rain plates that fall on your flat head either.
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What they said.
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Yes you are obviously very unbiased...with no agenda .
Now post more monetized videos.
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"NASA photoshops so any pictures of the Earth are fakes" -- This is massive bullshit and yet another stupid contention by FEers.. Any decent photographer will engage in "post processing" work using Photoshop and other photo editing software. That doesn't mean they're faking the photo. It means they're taking out imperfections, glare, excessive shading, etc. to make it appealing. Portrait photographers do this all the time. That doesn't mean the subject in their photos is fake.
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Still the fact remains there aren't any non photoshopped photos of earth from space.

There is no footage from a craft leaving space for deep orbit of the earth getting smaller.

Elon or the recent mars mission could have easily produced this footage and it would have been really cool.

Why didn't they?
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Yes you are obviously very unbiased...with no agenda .
Now post more monetized videos.
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NASA is monetized by the government.

So what's your point?

That people who get money to produce something can't be trusted?

Sure I agree 100% .

lmao
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Besides the usual, "obviously its a sphere, idiot" rhetoric. Let's discuss the merits of both models, using actual evidence and counter evidence.

Im perfectly fine to believe either, as long as it is the truth.

First and foremost, all supposed pictures of the Earth of space, are admittedly (by those that created the images) photoshopped. Lets start here and see where we go.
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A droplet of water, a bead of sweat. When equal pressure is applied to all sides of an object the only inevitable geometric outcome is a sphere.

Just how it is. It is called fluid dynamics and can't be disproved sorry to bust your bubble...oops another sphere, the damn things are everywhere. never seen a flat or even a square balloon either.

Rain drops are not rain plates that fall on your flat head either.
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What they said.
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Earth is a rock with water on it not a water sphere.
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It is also possible to shoot high altitude video of the earth and map that section of video onto a sphere to make it look like you’re looking at it from space.

You can also shoot video of astronauts under water against a green screen and then combine that video with the aerial footage described above.

You have to take their word for it that it’s real since it can’t be independently verified.
 Quoting: Sensible Coward


and theres lots of video evidence proving that the ISS live feeds are faked...

Im not sure of anything, other than NASA lying, but the evidence for a flat plane is pretty convincing.



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For fuck sakes, plot the planets, study moon cycles, eclipses, etc. You realize flat earth dipshits have no mathematical models for anything in Astronomy 101.
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Every astronomical calculation relies on the "known" variables of the size and distance to the sun and moon.

If those were incorrect that means every subsequent calculation based on those numbers are also incorrect.

So tell me, can you, without any outside help, prove the size and distance to the moon, the sun or jupiter for example?

No, no you can't, so until you can stop referencing "astronomy 101" like is some kind of infallible holy gospel.
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No nothing in science is perfect .
If you have a better model to present , then do it ..the onus is on you.
I have a model that can fit all celestial observations into a concise, predictable model.
You fucktards can't even get a map to function, let alone a model.
Stop trying to act like an intelligent person , acting like a moron...when obviously you are a moron , acting like an intelligent person-acting like a moron.
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"NASA photoshops so any pictures of the Earth are fakes" -- This is massive bullshit and yet another stupid contention by FEers.. Any decent photographer will engage in "post processing" work using Photoshop and other photo editing software. That doesn't mean they're faking the photo. It means they're taking out imperfections, glare, excessive shading, etc. to make it appealing. Portrait photographers do this all the time. That doesn't mean the subject in their photos is fake.
 Quoting: Tars Tarkas, Jr.


Still the fact remains there aren't any non photoshopped photos of earth from space.

There is no footage from a craft leaving space for deep orbit of the earth getting smaller.

Elon or the recent mars mission could have easily produced this footage and it would have been really cool.

Why didn't they?
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theres a link to such a photo ON THIS PAGE OF THE THREAD
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M2: No, of course not. That is just illustrative. The answer to your question is FIVE TONS OF FLAX!
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Flat, Globe or Holo?
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Holo.
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Holo.
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It all comes down to the ocean. When you observe with your eyes and mind the ocean, it is always level. Sextants only work on level planes/surfaces. Right there we have solid, tangible, demonstrable, repeatable physical evidence that the ocean is level and this the Earth is not a globe. So any photo, image, etc of a globular Earth is artistry at best, massive deception at the darker end of the spectrum.

That's it in a nutshell. Everything else is speculation and that's fine, but everyone on Earth needs to know that Earth isn't a globe hurtling through space like science fiction has brainwashed you with since the 1920s and that NASA has indoctrinated you with since 1958. NASA can fuck off forever. Start from scratch:

WHAT IS EARTH?

How did it and what is beyond it come to be? And what is our relation to our world and to each other?

But people want to get tied up in models, photos, videos, NASA Freemasons, etc. Nah, no, not me. That just leads to "debates" ie. fights between parties, tribes. Division. We need to come together on this. The government and media can get to fuck until they join us and be honest about what life really is. But I can't see that happening any time soon, sadly. In the meantime, let us logical truth-seekers investigate what the shit is going on and have a laugh about it and not become super-serious, angry douchebags like many in the "flat Earth community" come across as and make this amazing quest look retarded.

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Lunar eclipse debunks flat earth
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Take your flat earth shit and go clog up some other forum with it

Fucking retards
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clappa


These mongs... you can't talk about anything important without this idiocy being brought up. I'm warning my family not to take a bioweapon and get told "I suppose you think the earth is flat too?"

Because online every time you'd warn people about what was going on, some starry-eyed moron would magically appear. And say "I agree with you. Plus the earth is flat!"

Pretty much tells you why this psyop was begun. 10 years ago no one talked about this garbage. Now it's everywhere.
It's a psy-op
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Lunar eclipse debunks flat earth
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BUT that doesnt mean the moon is not artificial
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Take your flat earth shit and go clog up some other forum with it

Fucking retards
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clappa


These mongs... you can't talk about anything important without this idiocy being brought up. I'm warning my family not to take a bioweapon and get told "I suppose you think the earth is flat too?"

Because online every time you'd warn people about what was going on, some starry-eyed moron would magically appear. And say "I agree with you. Plus the earth is flat!"

Pretty much tells you why this psyop was begun. 10 years ago no one talked about this garbage. Now it's everywhere.
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Well, your own observations of the ocean being level can't be a psyop can it? Sextants aren't a psyop. The angular resolution and geometry of human vision aren't a psyop are they? NASA is the psyop. Over 60s years of brainwashing you with science fiction. The Jetsons, Star Trek, 2001 A Space Odyssey, Star Wars were more powerful than NASA's propaganda, their artistry was POWERFUL. NASA going to the Moon was BIG of course but to look at that footage now just makes you laugh. But forget NASA.

If you look into what the Earth is without emotion, without going to the "experts" and just use your own eyes and rational mind and sense of humour, you eventually come to the conclusion that the ocean is level and not curved and that SOMETHING holds in the gases and heat of Earth and it isn't this "gravity" force that no one can explain without showing duper's delight or general giveaways that they don't know what the fuck they are talking about.

It's over. We aren't on a globe zipping, swirling, twirling, corkscrewing through this "dark vacuum of outer space, woooooo!" of nihilistic nothingness. People seem to love this concept of life, what the fuck is that all about? No wonder people are depressed and self-destructive, lost souls with flakey lives.

It's over. No one trusts the government or government agencies or "authorities" anymore, even though we still see the lip-service and keeping up appearances flim-flam from the Karens and mouth-breathers. But I think that most people are ready for the revelations of what life REALLY is now.

It's over! Sextants alone prove that Earth ain't a glooooooob! LOL!
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Lunar eclipse debunks flat earth
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BUT that doesnt mean the moon is not artificial
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Nothing debunks the ocean being level. Lunar eclipses work on a level-ocean Earth. Level ocean = Earth not a glooooooob.

It's so fucking sad that many truth-seekers still cling to the NASA model of what Earth is, what the Sun is, what the Moon is. It's like going along with the CIA's version of the JFK assassination, the CNN version of 9/11, the Fauci version of why Earth has been locked down for two years. But you trust NASA? You're down with THEIR version of reality? Their narrative? Fuck that.

Use your OWN skills to figure out what reality is. Do that properly and you'll see that Earth ain't a globe zipping through outer space like a headless nihilistic chicken. It's some other shape, has other parameter and characteristic and has another purpose. THAT is the ultimate psyop conspiracy theory, whatever you want to call it.
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Besides the usual, "obviously its a sphere, idiot" rhetoric. Let's discuss the merits of both models, using actual evidence and counter evidence.

Im perfectly fine to believe either, as long as it is the truth.

First and foremost, all supposed pictures of the Earth of space, are admittedly (by those that created the images) photoshopped. Lets start here and see where we go.
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there is no discussion.. cold space makes planets and suns with hot cores into spheres... this ought to be EASY.
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Oblate spheroid.
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Why would they lie about that? Clearly every globe model on every desk in school and elsewhere shows a perfectly round sphere. Every model produced by NASA fake photography shows it perfectly round. It's not as if manufacturers couldn't produce oblate spheroids for classrooms, or NASA alter it's current fakery to show it with a flat top and bottom.
Which is why it's a cop out.
That shape allows for there to be flat surfaces...just at the very top and bottom, though. But, that forces all the pot-bellied middle to be even steeper in the land masses and oceans we know of that just isn't so. Kansas, as all states have been, was surveyed. It turns out it's the most completely flat of all the States. No curvature rising or falling, at all. None of the lakes and ponds have curvature. And if you could rise above the pitch and yaw of the oceans without water vapor obscuring the view, you could see across that they, too are flat bodies of water.
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Lunar eclipse debunks flat earth
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BUT that doesnt mean the moon is not artificial
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Nothing debunks the ocean being level. Lunar eclipses work on a level-ocean Earth. Level ocean = Earth not a glooooooob.

It's so fucking sad that many truth-seekers still cling to the NASA model of what Earth is, what the Sun is, what the Moon is. It's like going along with the CIA's version of the JFK assassination, the CNN version of 9/11, the Fauci version of why Earth has been locked down for two years. But you trust NASA? You're down with THEIR version of reality? Their narrative? Fuck that.

Use your OWN skills to figure out what reality is. Do that properly and you'll see that Earth ain't a globe zipping through outer space like a headless nihilistic chicken. It's some other shape, has other parameter and characteristic and has another purpose. THAT is the ultimate psyop conspiracy theory, whatever you want to call it.
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its not even level ships are dissapearing
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Besides the usual, "obviously its a sphere, idiot" rhetoric. Let's discuss the merits of both models, using actual evidence and counter evidence.

Im perfectly fine to believe either, as long as it is the truth.

First and foremost, all supposed pictures of the Earth of space, are admittedly (by those that created the images) photoshopped. Lets start here and see where we go.
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Evidence we live on a flat plane... Gyroscopes!

A spinning mass with "rigidity in space" used in airplanes (thus named planes because they fly over a plane;) for example.
The gyroscope controls the artificial horizon in order to keep
the plane flying level. For example, a jet flying level at 500 mph over the ocean for 1 hour would gain 166,666 FT in altitude because of the supposed curvature. If the curvature were real that jet would have to nose down 166,666 FT to maintain consistent altitude, thus opposing the artificial horizon/gyroscope. A gyroscope would be useless to maintain level flight flying over curvature.

The spinning globalist should be able to easily prove the spinning ball theory by simply spinning up a motorized gyro on a table observing the movement over 24 hrs back to start position. That would be proof we live on a spinning ball.
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This is John Young of Apollo 12. Would you act like this if you actually walked on the moon?
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https://imgur.com/a/t95eFv1

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HD image that proves a craft made of duct tape, cardboard, & tin foil can make it to the moon. Too bad we lost the technology to make this masterpiece again.
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This is John Young of Apollo 12. Would you act like this if you actually walked on the moon?
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lol yeah, why would you act like that?

Heres buzz aldrin actually throwing a punch when pressed the same way



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HD image that proves a craft made of duct tape, cardboard, & tin foil can make it to the moon. Too bad we lost the technology to make this masterpiece again.
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I wouldnt let my kids play in that thing, as it looks unsafe to even be in it.

Doesn't necessarily prove the Earth is flat, but certainly, 100%, without a doubt, - NASA is lying -

And to those who are saying NASA lying is not a big deal? You do realize they funded in the billions with your tax dollars, to lie to you... youre cool with that? Make sure you get your booster shot...
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Besides the usual, "obviously its a sphere, idiot" rhetoric. Let's discuss the merits of both models, using actual evidence and counter evidence.

Im perfectly fine to believe either, as long as it is the truth.

First and foremost, all supposed pictures of the Earth of space, are admittedly (by those that created the images) photoshopped. Lets start here and see where we go.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80406901


there is no discussion.. cold space makes planets and suns with hot cores into spheres... this ought to be EASY.
 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL


Oblate spheroid.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80982509


Why would they lie about that? Clearly every globe model on every desk in school and elsewhere shows a perfectly round sphere. Every model produced by NASA fake photography shows it perfectly round. It's not as if manufacturers couldn't produce oblate spheroids for classrooms, or NASA alter it's current fakery to show it with a flat top and bottom.
Which is why it's a cop out.
That shape allows for there to be flat surfaces...just at the very top and bottom, though. But, that forces all the pot-bellied middle to be even steeper in the land masses and oceans we know of that just isn't so. Kansas, as all states have been, was surveyed. It turns out it's the most completely flat of all the States. No curvature rising or falling, at all. None of the lakes and ponds have curvature. And if you could rise above the pitch and yaw of the oceans without water vapor obscuring the view, you could see across that they, too are flat bodies of water.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80573488


If the firmament makes up the rounded dome part, thats why they would lie.

Why do we see no curvature when viewing objects miles away with technology that exceeds our own limitations?

Why is NASA using their funding to create elaborate lies?





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