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EARTH - Flat or Globe - discussion

 
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holy crap we're all wrong!

apollo 8, christmas eve 1968 William Anders took a shot with a hasselblad 500 loaded with 70mm ektrachrome. through the window in lunar orbit

Earthrise is the title of the pic. all in one frame, pre digital photography.

not that old pics cant be altered, they can, but it takes a big rig and photoshop is way better.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

is a wiki link that claims to be a historic version of the photo that we want
 Quoting: Uwascallywabbit


IDK how to use photoshop, but increase the levels and see if there is a box surrounding that image that looks oddly like the other one, that did have the photoshopped box surrounding it.

If youre confused, you probably should have watched the NASA lies video I posted... you should actually research instead of shilling. Whether paid to or not...
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"NASA photoshops so any pictures of the Earth are fakes" -- This is massive bullshit and yet another stupid contention by FEers.. Any decent photographer will engage in "post processing" work using Photoshop and other photo editing software. That doesn't mean they're faking the photo. It means they're taking out imperfections, glare, excessive shading, etc. to make it appealing. Portrait photographers do this all the time. That doesn't mean the subject in their photos is fake.
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When you are giving photographic evidence of something, you DO NOT photoshop it... get real
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Besides the usual, "obviously its a sphere, idiot" rhetoric. Let's discuss the merits of both models, using actual evidence and counter evidence.

Im perfectly fine to believe either, as long as it is the truth.

First and foremost, all supposed pictures of the Earth of space, are admittedly (by those that created the images) photoshopped. Lets start here and see where we go.
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here ya go

start here then keep watching Jeranism vids until your curiosity is quenched... it usually takes most people about a year of honest research to go #flatearth 'cuz
Once ya go flat you'll never go back... yep and Amen.
GT Big hair...yep and Amen.
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Besides the usual, "obviously its a sphere, idiot" rhetoric. Let's discuss the merits of both models, using actual evidence and counter evidence.

Im perfectly fine to believe either, as long as it is the truth.

First and foremost, all supposed pictures of the Earth of space, are admittedly (by those that created the images) photoshopped. Lets start here and see where we go.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80406901


here ya go

start here then keep watching Jeranism vids until your curiosity is quenched... it usually takes most people about a year of honest research to go #flatearth 'cuz
Once ya go flat you'll never go back... yep and Amen.
 Quoting: GT Big hair


Thanks, ill watch a few now
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OK OP the earth is obviously fucking flat. because nasa lies about some shit it proves the earth is flat. no more flat earth threads needed. Thankyou - now FUCKOFF!
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Sigh.

Why can't the Earth be modelled accurately on a flat map (Do not fold, spindle, or mutilate) if it was, itself, flat?

[link to geoawesomeness.com (secure)]

Why can't you get the distances between cities worldwide to be modelled correctly on a flat map?

How can there be direct flights between Africa, South America, and Australia on a flat map? The distances become far too great for flights that exist.

Why are great Circle routes used in long-distance aircraft navigation?

Why do Foucault pendulums precess?

Why are all the other planets we can observe spheres?

Why is the shadow of the Earth when the Moon is eclipsed a sphere?

Why do constellations in the Southern Hemisphere circle a different point that the constellations in the Northern hemisphere on a flat Earth?

Heck, why are there different Southern Constellations on a flat Earth?

And lastly, because I've seen the curve, firsthand, when I used to fly. But I don't expect you to believe me.

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Sigh.

Why can't the Earth be modelled accurately on a flat map (Do not fold, spindle, or mutilate) if it was, itself, flat?

[link to geoawesomeness.com (secure)]

Why can't you get the distances between cities worldwide to be modelled correctly on a flat map?

How can there be direct flights between Africa, South America, and Australia on a flat map? The distances become far too great for flights that exist.

Why are great Circle routes used in long-distance aircraft navigation?

Why do Foucault pendulums precess?

Why are all the other planets we can observe spheres?

Why is the shadow of the Earth when the Moon is eclipsed a sphere?

Why do constellations in the Southern Hemisphere circle a different point that the constellations in the Northern hemisphere on a flat Earth?

Heck, why are there different Southern Constellations on a flat Earth?

And lastly, because I've seen the curve, firsthand, when I used to fly. But I don't expect you to believe me.
 Quoting: 74444


Valid questions, ill look into most of them more. Compelling arguments here...

But with my bias, ill leave a few counter points. Pilots do not account for curvature, many pilots have claimed the opposite if what you do. Perspective would be different from different vantage points. As far as ive learned, the map thats used for navigation is flat (I cant find it at the moment).

NASA is lying... not sure if its to disguise a flat Earth, but can you comment on your perspective why NASA would be lying on such a large scale?

I will dig a bit deeper into the questions you raised. Thanks for taking the time.
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Lunar eclipse debunks flat earth
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BUT that doesnt mean the moon is not artificial
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79225506


Nothing debunks the ocean being level. Lunar eclipses work on a level-ocean Earth. Level ocean = Earth not a glooooooob.

It's so fucking sad that many truth-seekers still cling to the NASA model of what Earth is, what the Sun is, what the Moon is. It's like going along with the CIA's version of the JFK assassination, the CNN version of 9/11, the Fauci version of why Earth has been locked down for two years. But you trust NASA? You're down with THEIR version of reality? Their narrative? Fuck that.

Use your OWN skills to figure out what reality is. Do that properly and you'll see that Earth ain't a globe zipping through outer space like a headless nihilistic chicken. It's some other shape, has other parameter and characteristic and has another purpose. THAT is the ultimate psyop conspiracy theory, whatever you want to call it.
 Quoting: Destroy All Evil

very well said, at this stage it is a complete no brainer that we are on a plain , surrounded by very high ice walls and the same group that are doing what they are doing to us are the ones behind the greatest hoax of all time, we shouldn't really be arguing amongst our selfs as to wether or not its flat, but discussing why, thats the interesting bit .
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Lunar eclipse debunks flat earth
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BUT that doesnt mean the moon is not artificial
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Nothing debunks the ocean being level. Lunar eclipses work on a level-ocean Earth. Level ocean = Earth not a glooooooob.

It's so fucking sad that many truth-seekers still cling to the NASA model of what Earth is, what the Sun is, what the Moon is. It's like going along with the CIA's version of the JFK assassination, the CNN version of 9/11, the Fauci version of why Earth has been locked down for two years. But you trust NASA? You're down with THEIR version of reality? Their narrative? Fuck that.

Use your OWN skills to figure out what reality is. Do that properly and you'll see that Earth ain't a globe zipping through outer space like a headless nihilistic chicken. It's some other shape, has other parameter and characteristic and has another purpose. THAT is the ultimate psyop conspiracy theory, whatever you want to call it.
 Quoting: Destroy All Evil

very well said, at this stage it is a complete no brainer that we are on a plain , surrounded by very high ice walls and the same group that are doing what they are doing to us are the ones behind the greatest hoax of all time, we shouldn't really be arguing amongst our selfs as to wether or not its flat, but discussing why, thats the interesting bit .
 Quoting: Simonleluk


However, if its true we are on a plane. Then the psyop is so massive in scale, that discussing it is necessary.

I do hear what you're saying, and youre not wrong. In a perfect world, yes, we'd be discussing the implications... but thats not where we live. And this psyop is huge... im leaning towards flat, but im still not convinced, its that big. Ive been into this stuff for years and years and just recently been introduced to tartaria and flat earth... its humbling, to say the least... take it easy on those that are hesitant... This is not an easy understanding like 9/11... this is deep deep deep... and many refuse for many reasons. Take it easy on them.
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Sigh.

Why can't the Earth be modelled accurately on a flat map (Do not fold, spindle, or mutilate) if it was, itself, flat?

[link to geoawesomeness.com (secure)]

Why can't you get the distances between cities worldwide to be modelled correctly on a flat map?

How can there be direct flights between Africa, South America, and Australia on a flat map? The distances become far too great for flights that exist.

Why are great Circle routes used in long-distance aircraft navigation?

Why do Foucault pendulums precess?

Why are all the other planets we can observe spheres?

Why is the shadow of the Earth when the Moon is eclipsed a sphere?

Why do constellations in the Southern Hemisphere circle a different point that the constellations in the Northern hemisphere on a flat Earth?

Heck, why are there different Southern Constellations on a flat Earth?

And lastly, because I've seen the curve, firsthand, when I used to fly. But I don't expect you to believe me.
 Quoting: 74444




But with my bias, ill leave a few counter points. Pilots do not account for curvature, many pilots have claimed the opposite if what you do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80406901


Hence, why I put the qualifier at the end of my statement.

Perspective would be different from different vantage points. As far as ive learned, the map thats used for navigation is flat (I cant find it at the moment).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80406901


True. But all flat maps have a bias. That's the issue. No flat map is without distortion -- except globes. Globes model all distances accurately. How can that be, if the actual shape of the Earth isn't spherical?

NASA is lying... not sure if its to disguise a flat Earth, but can you comment on your perspective why NASA would be lying on such a large scale?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80406901


Quite literally NONE of my points require NASA. Most of the data supporting my points is FAR older than NASA, or even the United States as a whole.

I will dig a bit deeper into the questions you raised. Thanks for taking the time.
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Most welcome.
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Sigh.

Why can't the Earth be modelled accurately on a flat map (Do not fold, spindle, or mutilate) if it was, itself, flat?

[link to geoawesomeness.com (secure)]

Why can't you get the distances between cities worldwide to be modelled correctly on a flat map?

How can there be direct flights between Africa, South America, and Australia on a flat map? The distances become far too great for flights that exist.

Why are great Circle routes used in long-distance aircraft navigation?

Why do Foucault pendulums precess?

Why are all the other planets we can observe spheres?

Why is the shadow of the Earth when the Moon is eclipsed a sphere?

Why do constellations in the Southern Hemisphere circle a different point that the constellations in the Northern hemisphere on a flat Earth?

Heck, why are there different Southern Constellations on a flat Earth?

And lastly, because I've seen the curve, firsthand, when I used to fly. But I don't expect you to believe me.
 Quoting: 74444


Valid questions, ill look into most of them more. Compelling arguments here...

But with my bias, ill leave a few counter points. Pilots do not account for curvature, many pilots have claimed the opposite if what you do. Perspective would be different from different vantage points. As far as ive learned, the map thats used for navigation is flat (I cant find it at the moment).

NASA is lying... not sure if its to disguise a flat Earth, but can you comment on your perspective why NASA would be lying on such a large scale?

I will dig a bit deeper into the questions you raised. Thanks for taking the time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80406901


Here again: who needs NASA? [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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Sigh.

Why can't the Earth be modelled accurately on a flat map (Do not fold, spindle, or mutilate) if it was, itself, flat?

[link to geoawesomeness.com (secure)]

Why can't you get the distances between cities worldwide to be modelled correctly on a flat map?

How can there be direct flights between Africa, South America, and Australia on a flat map? The distances become far too great for flights that exist.

Why are great Circle routes used in long-distance aircraft navigation?

Why do Foucault pendulums precess?

Why are all the other planets we can observe spheres?

Why is the shadow of the Earth when the Moon is eclipsed a sphere?

Why do constellations in the Southern Hemisphere circle a different point that the constellations in the Northern hemisphere on a flat Earth?

Heck, why are there different Southern Constellations on a flat Earth?

And lastly, because I've seen the curve, firsthand, when I used to fly. But I don't expect you to believe me.
 Quoting: 74444


Valid questions, ill look into most of them more. Compelling arguments here...

But with my bias, ill leave a few counter points. Pilots do not account for curvature, many pilots have claimed the opposite if what you do. Perspective would be different from different vantage points. As far as ive learned, the map thats used for navigation is flat (I cant find it at the moment).

NASA is lying... not sure if its to disguise a flat Earth, but can you comment on your perspective why NASA would be lying on such a large scale?

I will dig a bit deeper into the questions you raised. Thanks for taking the time.
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Here again: who needs NASA? [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: 74444


Still researching and replying to your last reply... but watching this video now...

but honestly, before i reply.. id like you to speculate on why NASA is lying... I get it. We dont need NASA to prove or disprove the shape of the Earth... you are correct.

BUT

- Why is NASA lying and faking? -
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Sigh.

Why can't the Earth be modelled accurately on a flat map (Do not fold, spindle, or mutilate) if it was, itself, flat?

[link to geoawesomeness.com (secure)]

Why can't you get the distances between cities worldwide to be modelled correctly on a flat map?

How can there be direct flights between Africa, South America, and Australia on a flat map? The distances become far too great for flights that exist.

Why are great Circle routes used in long-distance aircraft navigation?

Why do Foucault pendulums precess?

Why are all the other planets we can observe spheres?

Why is the shadow of the Earth when the Moon is eclipsed a sphere?

Why do constellations in the Southern Hemisphere circle a different point that the constellations in the Northern hemisphere on a flat Earth?

Heck, why are there different Southern Constellations on a flat Earth?

And lastly, because I've seen the curve, firsthand, when I used to fly. But I don't expect you to believe me.
 Quoting: 74444


Valid questions, ill look into most of them more. Compelling arguments here...

But with my bias, ill leave a few counter points. Pilots do not account for curvature, many pilots have claimed the opposite if what you do. Perspective would be different from different vantage points. As far as ive learned, the map thats used for navigation is flat (I cant find it at the moment).

NASA is lying... not sure if its to disguise a flat Earth, but can you comment on your perspective why NASA would be lying on such a large scale?

I will dig a bit deeper into the questions you raised. Thanks for taking the time.
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Here again: who needs NASA? [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: 74444


Still researching and replying to your last reply... but watching this video now...

but honestly, before i reply.. id like you to speculate on why NASA is lying... I get it. We dont need NASA to prove or disprove the shape of the Earth... you are correct.

BUT

- Why is NASA lying and faking? -
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80406901


That's a different discussion. This thread is entitled "Earth - Flat or Globe - discussion". I am sticking to the subject at hand. NASA is irrelevant.

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Valid questions, ill look into most of them more. Compelling arguments here...

But with my bias, ill leave a few counter points. Pilots do not account for curvature, many pilots have claimed the opposite if what you do. Perspective would be different from different vantage points. As far as ive learned, the map thats used for navigation is flat (I cant find it at the moment).

NASA is lying... not sure if its to disguise a flat Earth, but can you comment on your perspective why NASA would be lying on such a large scale?

I will dig a bit deeper into the questions you raised. Thanks for taking the time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80406901


Here again: who needs NASA? [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: 74444


Still researching and replying to your last reply... but watching this video now...

but honestly, before i reply.. id like you to speculate on why NASA is lying... I get it. We dont need NASA to prove or disprove the shape of the Earth... you are correct.

BUT

- Why is NASA lying and faking? -
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80406901


That's a different discussion. This thread is entitled "Earth - Flat or Globe - discussion". I am sticking to the subject at hand. NASA is irrelevant.
 Quoting: 74444


If you can't see that these topics are intimately related, then I have to assume malice on your part and wont bother giving a thought out reply to your questions..

Im here to find truth, the title of the thread is subject to that objective.

Very foolish of you to claim that the title and purposed question are not related... and you dont seem a foolish person. What is your goal in your interaction with this thread?
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"NASA photoshops so any pictures of the Earth are fakes" -- This is massive bullshit and yet another stupid contention by FEers.. Any decent photographer will engage in "post processing" work using Photoshop and other photo editing software. That doesn't mean they're faking the photo. It means they're taking out imperfections, glare, excessive shading, etc. to make it appealing. Portrait photographers do this all the time. That doesn't mean the subject in their photos is fake.
 Quoting: Tars Tarkas, Jr.


When you are giving photographic evidence of something, you DO NOT photoshop it... get real
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80406901


LOL ...so ridiculous. But you believe the earth is flat, so no surprise. NASA has kept things from us, but the "earth is just photoshopped" is just BS. They aren't trying to give us evidence of a round earth. They want a photo that looks good enough for public distribution. They have nothing to prove.
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Here again: who needs NASA? [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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Still researching and replying to your last reply... but watching this video now...

but honestly, before i reply.. id like you to speculate on why NASA is lying... I get it. We dont need NASA to prove or disprove the shape of the Earth... you are correct.

BUT

- Why is NASA lying and faking? -
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80406901


That's a different discussion. This thread is entitled "Earth - Flat or Globe - discussion". I am sticking to the subject at hand. NASA is irrelevant.
 Quoting: 74444


If you can't see that these topics are intimately related, then I have to assume malice on your part and wont bother giving a thought out reply to your questions..

Im here to find truth, the title of the thread is subject to that objective.

Very foolish of you to claim that the title and purposed question are not related... and you dont seem a foolish person. What is your goal in your interaction with this thread?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80406901


Ad hominem and poisoning the well noted. My observations about the shape of the Earth do not require NASA as a source. Doubting NASA or its achievements (real or faked) is irrelevant to the veracity of the Globe Earth. I have detailed real-world observations that don't require NASA that demonstrate Earth as a globe. The veracity of NASA (or governments as a whole) is irrelevant to the question of the Earth's shape.

You may use this as a means to ignore my points going forward: but the points stand. If you wish to discuss the veracity of NASA and its claims, I would think a different thread/title would be warranted.
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"NASA photoshops so any pictures of the Earth are fakes" -- This is massive bullshit and yet another stupid contention by FEers.. Any decent photographer will engage in "post processing" work using Photoshop and other photo editing software. That doesn't mean they're faking the photo. It means they're taking out imperfections, glare, excessive shading, etc. to make it appealing. Portrait photographers do this all the time. That doesn't mean the subject in their photos is fake.
 Quoting: Tars Tarkas, Jr.


When you are giving photographic evidence of something, you DO NOT photoshop it... get real
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80406901


LOL ...so ridiculous. But you believe the earth is flat, so no surprise. NASA has kept things from us, but the "earth is just photoshopped" is just BS. They aren't trying to give us evidence of a round earth. They want a photo that looks good enough for public distribution. They have nothing to prove.
 Quoting: Tars Tarkas, Jr.


You laugh and say ridiculous..

Bowman, tell me... if its so obvious and we are in space, then pictures, natural pictures, should be abundant... all we have is photoshopped..

FFS, I known you for many years, you are brilliant... why you waste this gift to fool us is... well, beyond my understanding. I hope you know.
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Besides the usual, "obviously its a sphere, idiot" rhetoric. Let's discuss the merits of both models, using actual evidence and counter evidence.

Im perfectly fine to believe either, as long as it is the truth.

First and foremost, all supposed pictures of the Earth of space, are admittedly (by those that created the images) photoshopped. Lets start here and see where we go.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80406901


Earth is a multidimensional object like an N Sphere. Thats why people can not agree and the inner earth hypothesis as well.
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Still researching and replying to your last reply... but watching this video now...

but honestly, before i reply.. id like you to speculate on why NASA is lying... I get it. We dont need NASA to prove or disprove the shape of the Earth... you are correct.

BUT

- Why is NASA lying and faking? -
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80406901


That's a different discussion. This thread is entitled "Earth - Flat or Globe - discussion". I am sticking to the subject at hand. NASA is irrelevant.
 Quoting: 74444


If you can't see that these topics are intimately related, then I have to assume malice on your part and wont bother giving a thought out reply to your questions..

Im here to find truth, the title of the thread is subject to that objective.

Very foolish of you to claim that the title and purposed question are not related... and you dont seem a foolish person. What is your goal in your interaction with this thread?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80406901


Ad hominem and poisoning the well noted. My observations about the shape of the Earth do not require NASA as a source. Doubting NASA or its achievements (real or faked) is irrelevant to the veracity of the Globe Earth. I have detailed real-world observations that don't require NASA that demonstrate Earth as a globe. The veracity of NASA (or governments as a whole) is irrelevant to the question of the Earth's shape.

You may use this as a means to ignore my points going forward: but the points stand. If you wish to discuss the veracity of NASA and its claims, I would think a different thread/title would be warranted.
 Quoting: 74444


Again, you dodge... NASA take billions in tax dollars and lies to us... fakes things that are proveably fakeries... and this is no cause for discussion for you?

You are no fool.... You are committed to malice.

I do not believe a word you say... you can kindly f off.
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Besides the usual, "obviously its a sphere, idiot" rhetoric. Let's discuss the merits of both models, using actual evidence and counter evidence.

Im perfectly fine to believe either, as long as it is the truth.

First and foremost, all supposed pictures of the Earth of space, are admittedly (by those that created the images) photoshopped. Lets start here and see where we go.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80406901


Earth is a multidimensional object like an N Sphere. Thats why people can not agree and the inner earth hypothesis as well.
 Quoting: PapaLung


Go on...
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Bowman, tell me... if its so obvious and we are in space, then pictures, natural pictures, should be abundant... all we have is photoshopped..

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Sigh. Pictures of the curve of the Earth pre-date NASA and Photoshop by decades.

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That's a different discussion. This thread is entitled "Earth - Flat or Globe - discussion". I am sticking to the subject at hand. NASA is irrelevant.
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If you can't see that these topics are intimately related, then I have to assume malice on your part and wont bother giving a thought out reply to your questions..

Im here to find truth, the title of the thread is subject to that objective.

Very foolish of you to claim that the title and purposed question are not related... and you dont seem a foolish person. What is your goal in your interaction with this thread?
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Ad hominem and poisoning the well noted. My observations about the shape of the Earth do not require NASA as a source. Doubting NASA or its achievements (real or faked) is irrelevant to the veracity of the Globe Earth. I have detailed real-world observations that don't require NASA that demonstrate Earth as a globe. The veracity of NASA (or governments as a whole) is irrelevant to the question of the Earth's shape.

You may use this as a means to ignore my points going forward: but the points stand. If you wish to discuss the veracity of NASA and its claims, I would think a different thread/title would be warranted.
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Again, you dodge... NASA take billions in tax dollars and lies to us... fakes things that are proveably fakeries... and this is no cause for discussion for you?

You are no fool.... You are committed to malice.

I do not believe a word you say... you can kindly f off.
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Again: ad hominem and poisoning the well noted. You use this merely as a way to dodge the irrefutable points I presented regarding the shape of the Earth, proofs that go back thousands of years, and demonstrate that the only dishonesty present is your own. You are, demonstrably, not interested in pursuing facts or being rational about the subject, you are interested in supporting a specific irrational narrative.

A pity. But not a surprise.

Have a nice day.
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Bowman, tell me... if its so obvious and we are in space, then pictures, natural pictures, should be abundant... all we have is photoshopped..

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Sigh. Pictures of the curve of the Earth pre-date NASA and Photoshop by decades.

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Hahaha

you literally sent me this as proof of what?

An angled shot of a flat plane that is admittedly reconstructed to make it appear to curve?

wow...

I hope you are just a bot, if you are human, you need to be fired.

The article you sent, shows how they make a flat plane appear curved... what is your objective, sir?
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If you can't see that these topics are intimately related, then I have to assume malice on your part and wont bother giving a thought out reply to your questions..

Im here to find truth, the title of the thread is subject to that objective.

Very foolish of you to claim that the title and purposed question are not related... and you dont seem a foolish person. What is your goal in your interaction with this thread?
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Ad hominem and poisoning the well noted. My observations about the shape of the Earth do not require NASA as a source. Doubting NASA or its achievements (real or faked) is irrelevant to the veracity of the Globe Earth. I have detailed real-world observations that don't require NASA that demonstrate Earth as a globe. The veracity of NASA (or governments as a whole) is irrelevant to the question of the Earth's shape.

You may use this as a means to ignore my points going forward: but the points stand. If you wish to discuss the veracity of NASA and its claims, I would think a different thread/title would be warranted.
 Quoting: 74444


Again, you dodge... NASA take billions in tax dollars and lies to us... fakes things that are proveably fakeries... and this is no cause for discussion for you?

You are no fool.... You are committed to malice.

I do not believe a word you say... you can kindly f off.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80406901


Again: ad hominem and poisoning the well noted. You use this merely as a way to dodge the irrefutable points I presented regarding the shape of the Earth, proofs that go back thousands of years, and demonstrate that the only dishonesty present is your own. You are, demonstrably, not interested in pursuing facts or being rational about the subject, you are interested in supporting a specific irrational narrative.

A pity. But not a surprise.

Have a nice day.
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I did say that I would address all your points and I would have, many of which would take me several hours to confirm or deny... but you cant reply to something so intimately connected with all of this - NASA lying -

Why?

Why cant you make a comment on why they would take billions, hire actors, make fake sets to fool us all, and lie... but you want to use those same sources to prove your point... why would i waste my time humoring you?
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Bowman, tell me... if its so obvious and we are in space, then pictures, natural pictures, should be abundant... all we have is photoshopped..

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Sigh. Pictures of the curve of the Earth pre-date NASA and Photoshop by decades.

[link to www.ibtimes.com (secure)]
 Quoting: 74444


Hahaha

you literally sent me this as proof of what?

An angled shot of a flat plane that is admittedly reconstructed to make it appear to curve?

wow...

I hope you are just a bot, if you are human, you need to be fired.

The article you sent, shows how they make a flat plane appear curved... what is your objective, sir?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80406901


The point of the piece was to show that your claim of 'Photoshop" and NASA being the culprit is incorrect, given that pictures of the Earth's curve predate the founding of NASA or Photoshop. The claims about NASA are an irrelevant dodge vis-a-vie the shape of the Earth. If NASA didn't exist, my points about the shape of the Earth would stand. Therefore, NASA's involvement is irrelevant to the veracity of flat-Earth ideas.
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Bowman, tell me... if its so obvious and we are in space, then pictures, natural pictures, should be abundant... all we have is photoshopped..

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80406901


Sigh. Pictures of the curve of the Earth pre-date NASA and Photoshop by decades.

[link to www.ibtimes.com (secure)]
 Quoting: 74444


Hahaha

you literally sent me this as proof of what?

An angled shot of a flat plane that is admittedly reconstructed to make it appear to curve?

wow...

I hope you are just a bot, if you are human, you need to be fired.

The article you sent, shows how they make a flat plane appear curved... what is your objective, sir?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80406901


The point of the piece was to show that your claim of 'Photoshop" and NASA being the culprit is incorrect, given that pictures of the Earth's curve predate the founding of NASA or Photoshop. The claims about NASA are an irrelevant dodge vis-a-vie the shape of the Earth. If NASA didn't exist, my points about the shape of the Earth would stand. Therefore, NASA's involvement is irrelevant to the veracity of flat-Earth ideas.
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Again, I agree, we dont need NASA, but before I give hours and hours to dig into what you propose, i am asking you..

WHY IS NASA LYING!?

Thats a reasonable request. Stop dodging...
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Ad hominem and poisoning the well noted. My observations about the shape of the Earth do not require NASA as a source. Doubting NASA or its achievements (real or faked) is irrelevant to the veracity of the Globe Earth. I have detailed real-world observations that don't require NASA that demonstrate Earth as a globe. The veracity of NASA (or governments as a whole) is irrelevant to the question of the Earth's shape.

You may use this as a means to ignore my points going forward: but the points stand. If you wish to discuss the veracity of NASA and its claims, I would think a different thread/title would be warranted.
 Quoting: 74444


Again, you dodge... NASA take billions in tax dollars and lies to us... fakes things that are proveably fakeries... and this is no cause for discussion for you?

You are no fool.... You are committed to malice.

I do not believe a word you say... you can kindly f off.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80406901


Again: ad hominem and poisoning the well noted. You use this merely as a way to dodge the irrefutable points I presented regarding the shape of the Earth, proofs that go back thousands of years, and demonstrate that the only dishonesty present is your own. You are, demonstrably, not interested in pursuing facts or being rational about the subject, you are interested in supporting a specific irrational narrative.

A pity. But not a surprise.

Have a nice day.
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I did say that I would address all your points and I would have, many of which would take me several hours to confirm or deny... but you cant reply to something so intimately connected with all of this - NASA lying -

Why?

Why cant you make a comment on why they would take billions, hire actors, make fake sets to fool us all, and lie... but you want to use those same sources to prove your point... why would i waste my time humoring you?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80406901


Because it is an irrelevant distraction from seeking the truth.

If NASA didn't exist at all, there would still be a ton of evidence that we live on a spherical Earth. If we had *never* been to space, it wouldn't change the observations I have pointed out. Those observations support a spinning globe, very predictably, with supporting observations that go back *thousands* of years. Bringing NASA into the discussion is the definition of a strawman: The data that demonstrates the globe Earth exists independently of the American Space Agency, parsimony suggests you get rid of the NASA discussion altogether, and stick with observations regarding hte shape of the Earth - *if* you are interested in getting to the truth of the matter.

If you a merely interested in denigrating the American (and other) space programs, the shape of the Earth is irrelevant to such an endeavor.
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Again, you dodge... NASA take billions in tax dollars and lies to us... fakes things that are proveably fakeries... and this is no cause for discussion for you?

You are no fool.... You are committed to malice.

I do not believe a word you say... you can kindly f off.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80406901


Again: ad hominem and poisoning the well noted. You use this merely as a way to dodge the irrefutable points I presented regarding the shape of the Earth, proofs that go back thousands of years, and demonstrate that the only dishonesty present is your own. You are, demonstrably, not interested in pursuing facts or being rational about the subject, you are interested in supporting a specific irrational narrative.

A pity. But not a surprise.

Have a nice day.
 Quoting: 74444


I did say that I would address all your points and I would have, many of which would take me several hours to confirm or deny... but you cant reply to something so intimately connected with all of this - NASA lying -

Why?

Why cant you make a comment on why they would take billions, hire actors, make fake sets to fool us all, and lie... but you want to use those same sources to prove your point... why would i waste my time humoring you?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80406901


Because it is an irrelevant distraction from seeking the truth.

If NASA didn't exist at all, there would still be a ton of evidence that we live on a spherical Earth. If we had *never* been to space, it wouldn't change the observations I have pointed out. Those observations support a spinning globe, very predictably, with supporting observations that go back *thousands* of years. Bringing NASA into the discussion is the definition of a strawman: The data that demonstrates the globe Earth exists independently of the American Space Agency, parsimony suggests you get rid of the NASA discussion altogether, and stick with observations regarding hte shape of the Earth - *if* you are interested in getting to the truth of the matter.

If you a merely interested in denigrating the American (and other) space programs, the shape of the Earth is irrelevant to such an endeavor.
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NASA is funded in the BILLIONS!

This is not irrelevant. Its relevant...

Have an opinion... You seem so shy when having an opinion on certain matters, but others, you are gung ho

You are allowed to have an opinion. I give you permission. I want to hear what you say.
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Sigh. Pictures of the curve of the Earth pre-date NASA and Photoshop by decades.

[link to www.ibtimes.com (secure)]
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Hahaha

you literally sent me this as proof of what?

An angled shot of a flat plane that is admittedly reconstructed to make it appear to curve?

wow...

I hope you are just a bot, if you are human, you need to be fired.

The article you sent, shows how they make a flat plane appear curved... what is your objective, sir?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80406901


The point of the piece was to show that your claim of 'Photoshop" and NASA being the culprit is incorrect, given that pictures of the Earth's curve predate the founding of NASA or Photoshop. The claims about NASA are an irrelevant dodge vis-a-vie the shape of the Earth. If NASA didn't exist, my points about the shape of the Earth would stand. Therefore, NASA's involvement is irrelevant to the veracity of flat-Earth ideas.
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Again, I agree, we dont need NASA, but before I give hours and hours to dig into what you propose, i am asking you..

WHY IS NASA LYING!?

Thats a reasonable request. Stop dodging...
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Why would my opinion about the veracity of NASA matter *at all* when discussing the shape of the Earth? What difference would it make whether I made a pro-NASA or anti-NASA statement OTHER than a distraction?

NASA, and the veracity of the various space programs *are irrelevant.* If, once we've put the shape of the Earth discussion to rest, you wish to start a new thread regarding the veracity of NASA (and other space programs) I may or may not choose to participate. But, for the shape of the Earth discussions: my points continue to stand.
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Again: ad hominem and poisoning the well noted. You use this merely as a way to dodge the irrefutable points I presented regarding the shape of the Earth, proofs that go back thousands of years, and demonstrate that the only dishonesty present is your own. You are, demonstrably, not interested in pursuing facts or being rational about the subject, you are interested in supporting a specific irrational narrative.

A pity. But not a surprise.

Have a nice day.
 Quoting: 74444


I did say that I would address all your points and I would have, many of which would take me several hours to confirm or deny... but you cant reply to something so intimately connected with all of this - NASA lying -

Why?

Why cant you make a comment on why they would take billions, hire actors, make fake sets to fool us all, and lie... but you want to use those same sources to prove your point... why would i waste my time humoring you?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80406901


Because it is an irrelevant distraction from seeking the truth.

If NASA didn't exist at all, there would still be a ton of evidence that we live on a spherical Earth. If we had *never* been to space, it wouldn't change the observations I have pointed out. Those observations support a spinning globe, very predictably, with supporting observations that go back *thousands* of years. Bringing NASA into the discussion is the definition of a strawman: The data that demonstrates the globe Earth exists independently of the American Space Agency, parsimony suggests you get rid of the NASA discussion altogether, and stick with observations regarding hte shape of the Earth - *if* you are interested in getting to the truth of the matter.

If you a merely interested in denigrating the American (and other) space programs, the shape of the Earth is irrelevant to such an endeavor.
 Quoting: 74444


NASA is funded in the BILLIONS!

This is not irrelevant. Its relevant...

Have an opinion... You seem so shy when having an opinion on certain matters, but others, you are gung ho

You are allowed to have an opinion. I give you permission. I want to hear what you say.
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Getting off topic: NASA's percentage of the Federal dollar is one-half of one percent. It is a drop in the Federal bucket.

Again, NASA is a distraction if we want to discuss the shape of the Earth. My pro- or anti- NASA stance doesn't change the facts I presented about the shape of the Earth.





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