so i used kratom to drastically reduce my alcohol intake.. kratom is nuts!

As an ex pill crusher, I support OP %100 on Kratom


5 stars

How bald have you become OP?

2 years on it followed by 2 months off and didn't 'feel' any withdrawal aside from MAYBE slightly sleepless legs? If that's the withdrawal, who cares?

OP yes, it works great for alcohol hey! Down to a drink when I want instead of every day. Now for smoking.

Ya I mix it with water and consume it like a dirt cocktail

most do 'toss and wash' but if you're replacing drinking, making it into one may help even further

cheers op!

Ahhh, look at the snowflake.

U B a liar!

be sure you are measuring your doses and taper

you can taper 10% a dose if you like nice and smooth

happy leafin

You sound like the epitome of white trash, I bet any research that you've done (lol) was all from corporate media. Why do you think the FDA has to goto the WHO to try and get kratom banned worldwide? How much trust do you have in the FDA or Pfizer for that matter?

Do some ACTUAL research, learn something. Stop drinking trashy alcohol.

Kratom is not nuts alcohol is!!

Only if you abuse it

Where'd you learn that? Did you google it? LOL

Thats why you set your dose and dont go over it. Its not complicated

I just want to say, first of all, I am very happy to hear that kratom has reduced OPs alcohol consumption, and has very likely experienced an increase of enjoyment and satisfaction with life.


However, as one who has used kratom to quit using heroin, I must interject and say that kratom definitely is not an opiate, but it does have opiate-like effects. By that I mean that the constituent alkaloids present in the leaves of Mytragyna Speciosa (kratom tree) are primarily Mytragynine, which absolutely are partial mu-opioid receptor agonist. That is to say, kratom agonizes (aka stimulates) the very same receptors that opiates do.

The point of me making this distinction is to say that yes, 100%, if you use kratom frequently enough, your body will experience withdrawal after you stop taking it for a period of time (that period of time depends on the frequency and dose you are accustomed to).


Now all of that being said, Kratom has absolutely saved my life, my family, and my future. We're it not for kratom, I could very well still be shooting heroin that I bought by selling the belongings of myself and everyone that ever was stupid enough to care about me.

It is a double-edged sword, however. Kratom alleviates the desire for opiates, alcohol, etc, and provides an energy boost when it comes to physical labor. But the tradeoff is within (at least in my case) my very own personality. I am very much more short with people. I do not like socializing. Granted I don't know how different this is from how I usually am because I haven't been totally sober for more than a few months in the past 15 years.

I don't really know what my goal is with this post is other than to say that Kratom does have addictive and habituating properties.

It’s well known that kratom causes hair loss.

I use kratom daily until it dosent work, then I take a break. No addiction here. Its very mild. Ive uses amphetamines, weed, alcohol, ether, opiates, dmt, dmx, benzodiazapines in the past in my druggy days. Its extremely mild, bit at the same time it works.

Last Edited by Grognak the Ballbareian on 11/28/2021 09:45 PM

Kratom, like all things has its use and it's use requires moderation.

It's that simple. When I'm really hurting from a day of tree work, I take some green maeng da and some Red Sumatra and I'm good.

When I'm tired I drink some coffee.

When I have a headache I take some CBD.

When i have joint pain I take some DMSO.

We were given a beautiful world with everything we need. Kratom included, just don't take it all the time or withdraels will find you.

I say this as someone who naively let my doctor turn me into a pain pill abuser for 5 years. I know misery.

Kratom is a tool. Wield it responsibly.

Thread: Kratom Works, It is Good Medicine

If anyone contemplating beginning a Kratom regimen sees this, please don’t. It’s a scam drug. I started out just like the OP and then ended up with a 120 gram per day habit. My habit was so high that I couldn’t even find another person that could touch it on any obscure Internet forums for addiction. The closest I found was someone that claimed they were using around 90 grams per day.

In the end, I found Kratom withdrawal to be far worse than opiate withdrawal. Bottom line, if you already suffer from ANY addictive tendencies, stay as far away from Kratom as you can get.

OP, you’ve been warned here. Remember my response 6 months from now when you’re searching for a specialty doctor to help you come off the stuff.

I’m 3 years clean from Kratom and all substances - and the only answer for a genuine addict is complete abstinence. There is no middle ground.

Wow you have issues, I've been on 3.85 grams for 2 years. How the f*ck man. You probably have more issues than Kratom. I find any higher doses 4 grams produces negative effects.

Also, I've read people who have heroin withdrawal and say kratom is Disneyland compared to benzodiazapines (xanax, ativan). Xanax is a common "safe" prescription anti-anxiety drug that produces off the chart dopamine levels and its withdrawal can possibly lead to death if done "cold turkey."

Which is safer???

Last Edited by Grognak the Ballbareian on 11/28/2021 10:23 PM

And, on cue, the Pharmashills arrive. 120 grams per day hey? And you blame it on the susbtance? No, buddy, you are just a wee touched in the head. Or a liar, or a shill, er prolly both. Piss off.

Living in denial. Do some meth too, why don’t ya?

yeah 120 grams a day? wtf man?

i've already been down the opiate road, i quit with methadone, and then suboxone... when i started methadone i was using iv heroin daily... like half a gram a day in 2 or 3 injections... or like 2 80mg oxy's daily, or 2-3 dilaudid 4's...

with methadone i went up to ~70-80mg daily, then tapered it slowly to 40mg... then switched to suboxone.. first at 16mg daily, then to 8mg, then slowly to 4mg... then i ended up going cold turkey from there.. which was still too high to cold turked and i had the most horrible withdrawal ever..


in my opiate years, i withdrew at different times from basically every opiate.. so i know all about withdrawal..


kratom isn't even on the map.. it's more mild than even codeine...

i dont know how anyone could take 120g a day, that's nuts.. i take like... 4g in the morning, and 4 more grams later in the day.... and only take it on work days.

ugghh i can't even imagine how shitty 120g would feel! wtf!

any more than about 4-5-6g in one dose for me and i feel that shitty feeling that i would also get from too much suboxone.. just a kind of nauseous bad feeling.

Congrats OP!

It’s good to hear from you again! I always enjoyed your crazy stories of trying to get on the straight and narrow, when there are so many interesting offramps, and side attractions.

Best of luck to you.

Kratom saved my life. I was on heavy opiates for back pain from a bad accident and was able to completely get off of it taking kratom! It also helps me become more productive and focused. It truly is an amazing leaf! I've been on it for the past 2 years, daily and my life could not be better than it is now. Days when I don't take it I just feel like I need a cup of coffee. No crazy withdrawal symptoms or anything like that. I'm so sick and tired of reading all the BS lies about this wonderful plant that is saving lives!

beware kratom constipation. Take steps to compensate, such as taking a swiss kriss every night.

also there are many strains of kratom, and a bunch of crappy blends out there. proceed with caution.

That all said, it did help me handle a herniated+ruptured disc until I could get proper medical attention 3 days later.

I am in my 60's and have been using it for over 6 years and have never had a problem or adverse side effects, no tolerance build up, same dose every time, 4, - 00 gel caps.
It is a miracle for me.
Great pain medicine with energy and mood boost.
It works good for severe back and arthritis joint pain.
I use it to get stuff done, not to get high.
I do not use it all day every day and seldom double dose on the same day unless I have a lot of heavy hard over time labor to get done.
It is a sure way for me to get a lot of farm and construction work done with chronic pain disorders.
Grandma's little helper LOL

Exactly, I agree.

Well said.