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After the Tribulation Documentary - NO Pre-Trib Rapture

 
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Suck shit to the stupid vax taking rapture tards

Thread: The REAL QUESTION IS.....why oh WHY ARE RAPTURE TARDS PUSHING THE VAX??
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Pastors preach the Pre-Trib because it "pleases" Christians to hear that they (falsely) "won't have to go through the Trubulation".

Paul warned about pleasing men instead of pleasing God.

Galations 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
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takeheed blackcat For those of you who would like to know more about the Rapture here are some interesting and well written Chick illustrated tracts on this important subject.

kitty WHERE DID THEY GO?... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]

kitty HERE HE COMES!... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]

kitty LETS FLY AWAY!... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]

kitty THINGS TO COME?... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]
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Pastors preach the Pre-Trib because it "pleases" Christians to hear that they (falsely) "won't have to go through the Trubulation".

Paul warned about pleasing men instead of pleasing God.

Galations 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
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Thank God we have YOU to judge.
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Well, doubters won't be.
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Pastors preach the Pre-Trib because it "pleases" Christians to hear that they (falsely) "won't have to go through the Trubulation".

Paul warned about pleasing men instead of pleasing God.

Galations 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
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This is what I believe as well. I have heard too many people not even be able to hear the truth because it is not what they want to have happen. I even heard a Stanford PHD say that. Their desire to avoid any suffering guides their thoughts and actions. And pastors teach it because they tithe and support pleasing messages.

God has a different plan and the rapture is 7 years + 40 days after the tribulation starts. It is 40-45 days into the "Day of The Lord" the 8th year after the 7 year tribulation period.

God has special judgments in store for those pastors who usurped the pulpit and taught lies to people. They were responsible for knowing the truth and teaching it, and many cowed to money.

When you say do not judge, make sure you understand the difference between discernment and judgment. Many churches have the "dont judge" jedi mind trick going which is second only to the favorite mind trick "no one knows the day or the hours" "These are not the end times you're looking for" and suddenly I am not supposed to know all of the clues that God has shown me hidden in scripture.

I am telling you the reasons for the judgments that God is doing coming up. There is a cause for jdgment here.

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takeheed blackcat For those of you who would like to know more about the Rapture here are some interesting and well written Chick illustrated tracts on this important subject.

kitty WHERE DID THEY GO?... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]

kitty HERE HE COMES!... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]

kitty LETS FLY AWAY!... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]

kitty THINGS TO COME?... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]
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The Bride is part of the day of return verses as the Re:20:4 resurrections are involved for many people that are invited to the marriage of Jesus and Mary of Bethany:


Re:19:6-9:
And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude,
and as the voice of many waters,
and as the voice of mighty thunderings,
saying,
Alleluia:
for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
Let us be glad and rejoice,
and give honour to him:
for the marriage of the Lamb is come,
and his wife hath made herself ready.
And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen,
clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
And he saith unto me,
Write,
Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb.
And he saith unto me,
These are the true sayings of God.
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Good video OP

As for this site, I get a bad aura. Not a well wisher amongst the lot.

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Pastors preach the Pre-Trib because it "pleases" Christians to hear that they (falsely) "won't have to go through the Trubulation".

Paul warned about pleasing men instead of pleasing God.

Galations 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81493638

Thank God we have YOU to judge.
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How is OP "judging" folks.
Most pastors want a "church" of followers.
They are "forced" in some regards to preach things that are popular versus what is actual scriptural TRUTH.

1. No scripture states that Believers / "the Church" will miss Tribulation.

2. No scripture states that Jesus returns BEFORE "the day of the Lord".

3. No scripture states that Jesus returns MORE than once.

4. No scripture states that Jesus takes "the Church" to heaven for any period of time.

5. No scripture states that Tribulation only happens to the Hebrews.

Jesus clearly states that it will encompase the entire Earth.

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Well, doubters won't be.
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The pre-trib rapture is based on this passage by Paul.

1 Thessalonians 4

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

.........

Key phrases.

0. "we which are alive and remain"

Those are Believers - including Elect - that weren't killed prior to Jesus' return. Remain from what? The Tribulation.

1. "THE coming of the Lord". Jesus returns once. No scripture states otherwise.

2. "trump of God". This is the "last trump" that Paul speaks of in 1 Corinthians 15:52. For further reference, see the Seven Trumpets of Revelation.

3. "caught up together". This is the First Resurrection mentioned in Revelation.

4. "in the clouds". Jesus used the SAME phrase describing His Return.

5. "alive and remain" also matches the words "endureth to the end" (Matthew 10:22) "endure unto the end" (Mark 13:13) and "overcometh" (Revelation 2:26)

6. Jesus returns "after the Tribulation".

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

7. Tribulation is not wrath. Scripture proves this.

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I read the Bible everyday! I love Jesus! op
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Lol can you imagine making life choices based on a storybook from some dirty desert nomads?
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Well, doubters won't be.
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The pre-trib rapture is based on this passage by Paul.

1 Thessalonians 4

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

.........

Key phrases.

0. "we which are alive and remain"

Those are Believers - including Elect - that weren't killed prior to Jesus' return. Remain from what? The Tribulation.

1. "THE coming of the Lord". Jesus returns once. No scripture states otherwise.

2. "trump of God". This is the "last trump" that Paul speaks of in 1 Corinthians 15:52. For further reference, see the Seven Trumpets of Revelation.

3. "caught up together". This is the First Resurrection mentioned in Revelation.

4. "in the clouds". Jesus used the SAME phrase describing His Return.

5. "alive and remain" also matches the words "endureth to the end" (Matthew 10:22) "endure unto the end" (Mark 13:13) and "overcometh" (Revelation 2:26)

6. Jesus returns "after the Tribulation".

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

7. Tribulation is not wrath. Scripture proves this.
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The hatred you people have for those suffering who just want to rest already shows what ugly vile hearts you have. Once again f ck you and your jeebus
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The hatred you people have for those suffering who just want to rest already shows what ugly vile hearts you have. Once again f ck you and your jeebus
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Hatred?

Watchoo tawkun bout Willis?

Debunking the false Pre-Trib Rapture doctrine has to do with false teachings. Scripture doesn't support it.

Both Jesus and Paul said Believers will have tribulation.

The End of Days won't be any different.
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I read the Bible everyday! I love Jesus! op
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I love Jesus too.

He NEVER says He will return more than once.

He NEVER says Believers will escape Tribulation.

Jesus said He returns AFTER the Tribulation.
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Thread: For christians:The scriptural PROOF that the Rapture is AFTER the tribulation. NO "Basis" here..PROOF!

If you can read this and STILL be a rapture tard there is no help for you

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Pastors preach the Pre-Trib because it "pleases" Christians to hear that they (falsely) "won't have to go through the Trubulation".

Paul warned about pleasing men instead of pleasing God.

Galations 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
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So sick of ignorant people like you spreading crap. You know NOTHING, but you post as though you've actually studied it.

Let me ask you a few questions then:

Bible says the following in Matthew 24:38-41

For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

See that? Life will be business as usual during the time that it happens.

Contrast that to this passage in Matthew 24:21-22

For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive

So apparently you think that life will be business as usual AFTER 6-8 billion people have died, 75 lb hailstones, waters turning to blood, nuclear war, etc? Please tell me where that will happen?

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge; because you have rejected knowledge, I reject you from being a priest to me. Hosea 4:6
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I read the Bible everyday! I love Jesus! op
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I love Jesus too.

He NEVER says He will return more than once.

He NEVER says Believers will escape Tribulation.

Jesus said He returns AFTER the Tribulation.
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That's not what scripture says.

He comes "as in the days of Noah" when everything is business as usual. One taken, one left is talking about the rapture. 6-8 billion people die, and the world goes insane after that as God's wrath is poured out. He comes in the sky at the rapture and says, "Come away my fair one" and we rise to meet Him in the air. At the 2nd Coming, he steps onto the Mt of Olives and it splits the mountain. DEFINITELY 2 separate events. If you are born again, ask Jesus if what I'm saying is true. He will confirm it.
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I read the Bible everyday! I love Jesus! op
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I love Jesus too.

He NEVER says He will return more than once.

He NEVER says Believers will escape Tribulation.

Jesus said He returns AFTER the Tribulation.
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That's not what scripture says.

He comes "as in the days of Noah" when everything is business as usual. One taken, one left is talking about the rapture. 6-8 billion people die, and the world goes insane after that as God's wrath is poured out. He comes in the sky at the rapture and says, "Come away my fair one" and we rise to meet Him in the air. At the 2nd Coming, he steps onto the Mt of Olives and it splits the mountain. DEFINITELY 2 separate events. If you are born again, ask Jesus if what I'm saying is true. He will confirm it.
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By the way, Jesus does say, "Because you have kept my commandment to endure patiently, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming upon the whole world"

Keep you from definitely means removed.
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Pastors preach the Pre-Trib because it "pleases" Christians to hear that they (falsely) "won't have to go through the Trubulation".

Paul warned about pleasing men instead of pleasing God.

Galations 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81493638

Thank God we have YOU to judge.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78230975

How is OP "judging" folks.
Most pastors want a "church" of followers.
They are "forced" in some regards to preach things that are popular versus what is actual scriptural TRUTH.

1. No scripture states that Believers / "the Church" will miss Tribulation.

2. No scripture states that Jesus returns BEFORE "the day of the Lord".

3. No scripture states that Jesus returns MORE than once.

4. No scripture states that Jesus takes "the Church" to heaven for any period of time.

5. No scripture states that Tribulation only happens to the get lost.

Jesus clearly states that it will encompase the entire Earth.
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I don't recall the exact chapter in the book of Revelation, but the mention of ",the church" disappears not to far into Revelation. I am of the opinion that there will be a mid-trib rapture as there seems little point in the scripture 'that except if the days be cut short...' and what would be the point of a post trib rapture.

By the same token, although I would like the rapture to be pre-trib, I don't believe most Christuans today are particularly dedicated to be taken up before experiencing any trials or tribulations because the majority are pretty much on the lukewarm side, jmo.
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3. No scripture states that Jesus returns MORE than once.

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judethe Why should anyone trust you when you tell lies...
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
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The bride of Christ does not undergo the wrath of God.
There's. A. H0le. In. The. Sky.
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3. No scripture states that Jesus returns MORE than once.
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Why should anyone trust you when you tell lies...
1Th 4:17
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1 Thessalonians 4

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.



...

1. Notice that Verses 16 & 17 are pretty much EXACTLY what Jesus says in the Gospel descriptions.


Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all nopes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.


2. Then notice how Paul's verses 15 & 17 match....


Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

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By the way, Jesus does say, "Because you have kept my commandment to endure patiently, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming upon the whole world"

Keep you from definitely means removed.
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NONSENSE.

How does the "hour of trial" equate to the Tribulation?

It just doesn't.

Paul says "we which are alive and remain".

Those are Believers AND "Elect".
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So sick of ignorant people like you spreading crap. You know NOTHING, but you post as though you've actually studied it.
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You Pauline dispensationalists are the most condescending bunch of Believers on the planet.

SHOW us the vers / passage where Jesus (or anyone else ) states CLEARLY that He returns MORE than ONECE.

You can't. It doesn't exist.

...

Jesus only returns ONCE.

The "tares" get taken first.

Matthew 13:37-43

37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.


43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.



Matthew 24 states the SAME thing using the times of Noah as the example.

37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.


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So apparently you think that life will be business as usual AFTER 6-8 billion people have died, 75 lb hailstones, waters turning to blood, nuclear war, etc? Please tell me where that will happen?

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge; because you have rejected knowledge, I reject you from being a priest to me. Hosea 4:6
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You are "generalizing" the Seals and Trumpets of Revelation.

Far more deaths occur AFTER the 6th Seal.

...

Here's a quick look at deaths in Revelation in sequence. I may have missed one or two.


1. 2nd Seal - red horse - men will kill one another

Revelation 6:4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.


2. 4th Seal - pale horse - 1/4 of the earth

Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.


3. 3rd trumpet - many die from "bitter waters" caused by wormwood.

Revelation 8:11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.


4. 6th trumpet - 1/3 of all men

Revelation 9

15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.


5. Those who don't worship the image of the beast will be killed

Revelation 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

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Re: After the Tribulation Documentary - NO Pre-Trib Rapture
You Pauline dispensationalists are the most condescending bunch of Believers on the planet.

SHOW us the vers / passage where Jesus (or anyone else ) states CLEARLY that He returns MORE than ONECE.

You can't. It doesn't exist.

 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD
watergirls Why should anyone believe you, all you do is tell lies. 1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
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Re: After the Tribulation Documentary - NO Pre-Trib Rapture
"For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass,
and to stand before the Son of Man."


Luke 21:35,36


Have you ever prayed so?

Why not pray so?


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80008707


hmm





GLP