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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 71251234 United States12/16/2021 11:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Noah's Ark, The Atmospheric Canopy and the Bathymetric Scar from when the Fountains of the Deep burst forth Bull shit.... No fucking ark.... Sizing Up the Load Getting an accurate count. We can finally begin to make some calculations. Robert D. Barnes lists the number of living species for each phylum, ranging from the sole member of Placozoa to the 923,000 in Arthropoda (pp. 12, 85-88). Using his figures, we arrive at a total of 1,177,920 species. In addition, there are many animals that are as yet unknown. Wendt estimates that only 2 percent of all the parasitic worms are known, which would easily add another million species (p. 83). This includes as many as 500,000 nematodes, although only 15,000 have been described (Levine, p. 1). Ten thousand new species of insects are discovered every year, yet still only a small fraction of those in existence have been found (Atkins, p. 45). All of those creatures were known at one time, for Adam gave them all names (Genesis 2:19-20), and, since they exist today, they must have been on the ark. But we shall be extremely generous to the creationists and add only 500,000 undiscovered species to our figure of 1,177,920—thus giving a mere 1,677,920 species with which Noah had to contend. To this number, we must add the myriad of extinct prehistoric animals, which creationists assure us were alive at the time of the flood, making tracks in the Paluxy River, and which were known to Job afterward (John Morris, 1980, p. 65). This would vastly increase the numbers, since "only a tiny percentage of the animal and plant species that have ever existed are alive today" (Kear, p. 10). However, since creationists do not believe in transitional forms, we can again give them the benefit of the doubt and add to our total only the 200,000 different fossils that have been described. This brings the number to 1,877,920 species or animal pairs that were to be boarded onto the ark. Of course, we can't forget that Genesis 7:2-3 (particularly in the Revised Standard Version) makes it clear that only unclean animals come in single pairs, male and female; the clean animals and birds come in seven pairs, male and female. That means fourteen of each clean animal and each bird. But since figures for the number of clean animals are hard to find, we will have to let creationists off the hook and ignore them. Birds are another story. There are 8,590 species of birds. Since they have already been calculated into our figure of 1,877,920 species or 3,755,840 individual animals on the ark, we need only six more pairs of each species of bird to make it come out to seven pairs. That brings our count up to a grand total of 3,858,920 animals aboard the ark—two of each species, except birds which number fourteen each. [link to ncse.ngo (secure)] Last Edited by ~Jazzy~ on 12/16/2021 02:07 PM |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80877455 United States12/16/2021 05:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Noah's Ark, The Atmospheric Canopy and the Bathymetric Scar from when the Fountains of the Deep burst forth Bull shit.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71251234 No fucking ark.... Sizing Up the Load Getting an accurate count. We can finally begin to make some calculations. Robert D. Barnes lists the number of living species for each phylum, ranging from the sole member of Placozoa to the 923,000 in Arthropoda (pp. 12, 85-88). Using his figures, we arrive at a total of 1,177,920 species. In addition, there are many animals that are as yet unknown. Wendt estimates that only 2 percent of all the parasitic worms are known, which would easily add another million species (p. 83). This includes as many as 500,000 nematodes, although only 15,000 have been described (Levine, p. 1). Ten thousand new species of insects are discovered every year, yet still only a small fraction of those in existence have been found (Atkins, p. 45). All of those creatures were known at one time, for Adam gave them all names (Genesis 2:19-20), and, since they exist today, they must have been on the ark. But we shall be extremely generous to the creationists and add only 500,000 undiscovered species to our figure of 1,177,920—thus giving a mere 1,677,920 species with which Noah had to contend. To this number, we must add the myriad of extinct prehistoric animals, which creationists assure us were alive at the time of the flood, making tracks in the Paluxy River, and which were known to Job afterward (John Morris, 1980, p. 65). This would vastly increase the numbers, since "only a tiny percentage of the animal and plant species that have ever existed are alive today" (Kear, p. 10). However, since creationists do not believe in transitional forms, we can again give them the benefit of the doubt and add to our total only the 200,000 different fossils that have been described. This brings the number to 1,877,920 species or animal pairs that were to be boarded onto the ark. Of course, we can't forget that Genesis 7:2-3 (particularly in the Revised Standard Version) makes it clear that only unclean animals come in single pairs, male and female; the clean animals and birds come in seven pairs, male and female. That means fourteen of each clean animal and each bird. But since figures for the number of clean animals are hard to find, we will have to let creationists off the hook and ignore them. Birds are another story. There are 8,590 species of birds. Since they have already been calculated into our figure of 1,877,920 species or 3,755,840 individual animals on the ark, we need only six more pairs of each species of bird to make it come out to seven pairs. That brings our count up to a grand total of 3,858,920 animals aboard the ark—two of each species, except birds which number fourteen each. [link to ncse.ngo (secure)] All KINDS of animals, not all species of animals. Remember; kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus, species. All kingdoms were taken. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79860192 United States12/16/2021 05:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Noah's Ark, The Atmospheric Canopy and the Bathymetric Scar from when the Fountains of the Deep burst forth Bull shit.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71251234 No fucking ark.... Sizing Up the Load Getting an accurate count. We can finally begin to make some calculations. Robert D. Barnes lists the number of living species for each phylum, ranging from the sole member of Placozoa to the 923,000 in Arthropoda (pp. 12, 85-88). Using his figures, we arrive at a total of 1,177,920 species. In addition, there are many animals that are as yet unknown. Wendt estimates that only 2 percent of all the parasitic worms are known, which would easily add another million species (p. 83). This includes as many as 500,000 nematodes, although only 15,000 have been described (Levine, p. 1). Ten thousand new species of insects are discovered every year, yet still only a small fraction of those in existence have been found (Atkins, p. 45). All of those creatures were known at one time, for Adam gave them all names (Genesis 2:19-20), and, since they exist today, they must have been on the ark. But we shall be extremely generous to the creationists and add only 500,000 undiscovered species to our figure of 1,177,920—thus giving a mere 1,677,920 species with which Noah had to contend. To this number, we must add the myriad of extinct prehistoric animals, which creationists assure us were alive at the time of the flood, making tracks in the Paluxy River, and which were known to Job afterward (John Morris, 1980, p. 65). This would vastly increase the numbers, since "only a tiny percentage of the animal and plant species that have ever existed are alive today" (Kear, p. 10). However, since creationists do not believe in transitional forms, we can again give them the benefit of the doubt and add to our total only the 200,000 different fossils that have been described. This brings the number to 1,877,920 species or animal pairs that were to be boarded onto the ark. Of course, we can't forget that Genesis 7:2-3 (particularly in the Revised Standard Version) makes it clear that only unclean animals come in single pairs, male and female; the clean animals and birds come in seven pairs, male and female. That means fourteen of each clean animal and each bird. But since figures for the number of clean animals are hard to find, we will have to let creationists off the hook and ignore them. Birds are another story. There are 8,590 species of birds. Since they have already been calculated into our figure of 1,877,920 species or 3,755,840 individual animals on the ark, we need only six more pairs of each species of bird to make it come out to seven pairs. That brings our count up to a grand total of 3,858,920 animals aboard the ark—two of each species, except birds which number fourteen each. [link to ncse.ngo (secure)] All KINDS of animals, not all species of animals. Remember; kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus, species. All kingdoms were taken. Bingo. The reality of the Deluge reminds us that God is the Creator, Lord, and Sovereign Judge of all His creatures. He respects the autonomy of His rational creatures; but He will intervene to halt the spread of evil when a society becomes so corrupt that the children of that society no longer have a chance to grow up without being corrupted. Moses tells us that before the Flood "all the meditations of men’s hearts were turned toward evil continually at all times," indicating that some perverse way of thinking had entered into the very air men breathed, turning their hearts and minds away from God. |
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| cosmicgypsy User ID: 80037766 United States12/17/2021 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Noah's Ark, The Atmospheric Canopy and the Bathymetric Scar from when the Fountains of the Deep burst forth Welp, you could've just about knocked me over with a feather when I saw what followed the 3:15 mark, about the water vapor firmament....jeebus. I had an OBE wherein I traveled very far, and was stopped at a portal where from I viewed a newly birthed planet....this planet was all blue, like it was completely water, at least from my pov. I sat straight up in my seat when I saw that part, and my skin pricked at me.  ....and now I have no more words, just wonder.You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller ...I adapt to the unknown, under wandering stars I've grown, by myself, but not alone... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 73333443 Netherlands12/17/2021 04:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Noah's Ark, The Atmospheric Canopy and the Bathymetric Scar from when the Fountains of the Deep burst forth Kebra Negast, Ge'ez , kebrä nägäst), or The Glory of the Kings, is a 14th-century national epic account written in Ge'ez by Is'haq Neburä -Id of Axum. The text, in its existing form, is at least 700 years old and is considered by many Ethiopian Christians to be a historically reliable work. Quoting: Truthnes Did you know earth is divided into different layers? And each one is different from the others. The mesosphere is the coldest atmospheric layer surrounding the earth. It becomes cold enough to freeze water vapour in its atmosphere into ice clouds. These ice clouds are blue-white and are called noctilucent clouds or polar mesospheric clouds. These clouds are more visible at sunset from the earth's poles The Kebra Nagast 8. Concerning the Flood And this thing was evil before God, and He destroyed them with the water of the Flood, which was colder than ice. He opened the doors of heaven, and the cataracts of the Flood poured down; and He opened the fountains that were under the earth, and the fountains of the Flood appeared on the earth. And the sinners were blotted out, for they reaped the fruit of their punishment. And with them perished all beasts and creeping things, for they were all created for the gratification of ADAM, and for his glory, some p. 6 to provide him with food, and some for his pleasure, and some for the names to the glorification of his Creator so that he might know them, even as DAVID saith, "And Thou hast set everything under his feet";1 for his sake they were created, and for his sake they were destroyed, with the exception of Eight Souls, and seven of every kind of clean beasts and creeping things, and two of every kind of unclean beast and creeping thing. Thread: The Kebra Nagast: Ancient Bible confirms Science of tod: The Flood and Climate Change days of Noah? Mesopheric Layer and hidden ocean under Earth |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 73333443 Netherlands12/17/2021 04:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Noah's Ark, The Atmospheric Canopy and the Bathymetric Scar from when the Fountains of the Deep burst forth The Kebra Nagast 8. Concerning the Flood And this thing was evil before God, and He destroyed them with the water of the Flood, which was colder than ice. He opened the doors of heaven, and the cataracts of the Flood poured down; and He opened the fountains that were under the earth..... He opended up Earth... Earth is Hollow |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6587275 United States12/17/2021 04:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Noah's Ark, The Atmospheric Canopy and the Bathymetric Scar from when the Fountains of the Deep burst forth Bull shit.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71251234 No fucking ark.... Sizing Up the Load Getting an accurate count. We can finally begin to make some calculations. Robert D. Barnes lists the number of living species for each phylum, ranging from the sole member of Placozoa to the 923,000 in Arthropoda (pp. 12, 85-88). Using his figures, we arrive at a total of 1,177,920 species. In addition, there are many animals that are as yet unknown. Wendt estimates that only 2 percent of all the parasitic worms are known, which would easily add another million species (p. 83). This includes as many as 500,000 nematodes, although only 15,000 have been described (Levine, p. 1). Ten thousand new species of insects are discovered every year, yet still only a small fraction of those in existence have been found (Atkins, p. 45). All of those creatures were known at one time, for Adam gave them all names (Genesis 2:19-20), and, since they exist today, they must have been on the ark. But we shall be extremely generous to the creationists and add only 500,000 undiscovered species to our figure of 1,177,920—thus giving a mere 1,677,920 species with which Noah had to contend. To this number, we must add the myriad of extinct prehistoric animals, which creationists assure us were alive at the time of the flood, making tracks in the Paluxy River, and which were known to Job afterward (John Morris, 1980, p. 65). This would vastly increase the numbers, since "only a tiny percentage of the animal and plant species that have ever existed are alive today" (Kear, p. 10). However, since creationists do not believe in transitional forms, we can again give them the benefit of the doubt and add to our total only the 200,000 different fossils that have been described. This brings the number to 1,877,920 species or animal pairs that were to be boarded onto the ark. Of course, we can't forget that Genesis 7:2-3 (particularly in the Revised Standard Version) makes it clear that only unclean animals come in single pairs, male and female; the clean animals and birds come in seven pairs, male and female. That means fourteen of each clean animal and each bird. But since figures for the number of clean animals are hard to find, we will have to let creationists off the hook and ignore them. Birds are another story. There are 8,590 species of birds. Since they have already been calculated into our figure of 1,877,920 species or 3,755,840 individual animals on the ark, we need only six more pairs of each species of bird to make it come out to seven pairs. That brings our count up to a grand total of 3,858,920 animals aboard the ark—two of each species, except birds which number fourteen each. [link to ncse.ngo (secure)] Quoting ignorant people doesn't help your case. This author whom you parrot made a fundamental and obvious error in assuming there will hundreds of thousands of species. This is idiotic and directly contradictory to the text, which indicates the author knows very little about what he's talking about. There were "kinds" on the ark which more closely translates to a much broader grouping under current taxonomy. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78063540 United States12/17/2021 04:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Noah's Ark, The Atmospheric Canopy and the Bathymetric Scar from when the Fountains of the Deep burst forth Bull shit.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71251234 No fucking ark.... Sizing Up the Load Getting an accurate count. We can finally begin to make some calculations. Robert D. Barnes lists the number of living species for each phylum, ranging from the sole member of Placozoa to the 923,000 in Arthropoda (pp. 12, 85-88). Using his figures, we arrive at a total of 1,177,920 species. In addition, there are many animals that are as yet unknown. Wendt estimates that only 2 percent of all the parasitic worms are known, which would easily add another million species (p. 83). This includes as many as 500,000 nematodes, although only 15,000 have been described (Levine, p. 1). Ten thousand new species of insects are discovered every year, yet still only a small fraction of those in existence have been found (Atkins, p. 45). All of those creatures were known at one time, for Adam gave them all names (Genesis 2:19-20), and, since they exist today, they must have been on the ark. But we shall be extremely generous to the creationists and add only 500,000 undiscovered species to our figure of 1,177,920—thus giving a mere 1,677,920 species with which Noah had to contend. To this number, we must add the myriad of extinct prehistoric animals, which creationists assure us were alive at the time of the flood, making tracks in the Paluxy River, and which were known to Job afterward (John Morris, 1980, p. 65). This would vastly increase the numbers, since "only a tiny percentage of the animal and plant species that have ever existed are alive today" (Kear, p. 10). However, since creationists do not believe in transitional forms, we can again give them the benefit of the doubt and add to our total only the 200,000 different fossils that have been described. This brings the number to 1,877,920 species or animal pairs that were to be boarded onto the ark. Of course, we can't forget that Genesis 7:2-3 (particularly in the Revised Standard Version) makes it clear that only unclean animals come in single pairs, male and female; the clean animals and birds come in seven pairs, male and female. That means fourteen of each clean animal and each bird. But since figures for the number of clean animals are hard to find, we will have to let creationists off the hook and ignore them. Birds are another story. There are 8,590 species of birds. Since they have already been calculated into our figure of 1,877,920 species or 3,755,840 individual animals on the ark, we need only six more pairs of each species of bird to make it come out to seven pairs. That brings our count up to a grand total of 3,858,920 animals aboard the ark—two of each species, except birds which number fourteen each. [link to ncse.ngo (secure)] LOL It's a ancient story of a man who survived 'The Great Flood'. And you want to nit pick it with modern statistics. Did it occur to you that there's not enough information to make a judgment? How about ancient 'cave art'? Are you going to rewrite their stories so you can 'debunk' them also? |
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| Housedad GOD User ID: 80330863 United States12/17/2021 05:15 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Noah's Ark, The Atmospheric Canopy and the Bathymetric Scar from when the Fountains of the Deep burst forth The bases of the flood theory is all the extra water came up from the earth. Underground water does exist but only in shallow depths. If there were that much to create a worldwide flood it could not have all come from the ground as the pressure below earths surface is so great it would explode out as steam. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45142714 Well, that all depends on if the gravitational constant of the solar system changes while the nuclear forces stay at the same ratio. It's all a balancing act. There's always an Arquillian Battle Cruiser, or a Corillian Death Ray, or an intergalactic plague that is about to wipe out all life on this miserable little planet, and the only way these people can get on with their happy lives is that they DO NOT KNOW ABOUT IT! -Men in Black |
| Emre_1974tr User ID: 81574611  Turkey12/17/2021 05:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Noah's Ark, The Atmospheric Canopy and the Bathymetric Scar from when the Fountains of the Deep burst forth Probably Noah and the community lived on an island. And only the people of Noah were destroyed. Allah punishes badmen only. Only the Qur'an tells the truth. The Qur'an clearly states that the Flood was regional. And Noah only took samples from animals in his area. |
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| Cyn68 User ID: 81005041 United States12/17/2021 05:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Noah's Ark, The Atmospheric Canopy and the Bathymetric Scar from when the Fountains of the Deep burst forth The bases of the flood theory is all the extra water came up from the earth. Undegorund water does exist but only in shallow depths. If there were that much to create a worldwide flood it could not have all come from the ground as the pressure below earths surface is so great it would explode out as steam. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45142714 I guess you missed the recent findings that water 3X the size of our oceans was found beneath Earth’s crust. Educate yourself, it might raise your IQ above 75. Nothing ever goes away until it teaches us what we need to know. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78250233 United States12/17/2021 05:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Noah's Ark, The Atmospheric Canopy and the Bathymetric Scar from when the Fountains of the Deep burst forth Polonium-218 is so short lived, its half-life is a mere 3 minutes. This means that at the beginning of the world it had to appear in the granite while the granite was in a liquid state. Then it had to be “frozen” into solidified granite within a matter of minutes in order to produce a halo – before it totally disappeared. And now it turns out that an exceedingly large number of polonium halos are embedded in granite rock all around the world. Just as frozen Alka-Seltzer bubbles would be clear evidence of the quick- freezing of the water, so are these many polonium halos undeniable evidence that a sea of original matter quickly "froze" into solid granite. Please understand that this is a physical fact that can be tested. Evidence of instant creation? As a result of Dr Gentry’s experiments the question now arose, could it be that the basement rocks of the earth were actually created within the few minutes it takes for polonium to decay? Could the polonium halos actually be evidence of an instantaneous creation? You see, if the earth’s crust was created suddenly, then the rock would immediately be solid enough to hold the tracks produced by decaying polonium. Dr Gentry submitted to the scientific establishment that these halos, then, provided unambiguous evidence of both an almost instantaneous creation of granites, and the young age of the earth. THE WEAPON THE GLOBALISTS FEAR The Genesis bombshell ...and the scientific evidence Jonathan Gray [link to www.beforeus.com] |
| Nemesis8 The Greatest Light User ID: 75437482 United States12/17/2021 05:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Noah's Ark, The Atmospheric Canopy and the Bathymetric Scar from when the Fountains of the Deep burst forth  The Hydroplate Theory of Walt Brown Ph.D. Assignments during his 21 years of military service included: Director of Benét Laboratories (a major research, development, and engineering facility); tenured associate professor at the U.S. Air Force Academy; and Chief of Science and Technology Studies at the Air War College. For much of his life Walt Brown was an evolutionist, but after years of study, he became convinced of the scientific validity of creation and a global flood. Since retiring from the military, Dr. Brown has been the Director of the Center for Scientific Creation and has worked full time in research, writing, and teaching on creation and the flood. [link to youtu.be (secure)] Not sure he knows of the waters above also played a part. "Fiat Lux et Veritas" |
| KB9OAK User ID: 80113078 United States12/17/2021 06:02 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Noah's Ark, The Atmospheric Canopy and the Bathymetric Scar from when the Fountains of the Deep burst forth Bull shit.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71251234 No fucking ark.... Sizing Up the Load Getting an accurate count. We can finally begin to make some calculations. Robert D. Barnes lists the number of living species for each phylum, ranging from the sole member of Placozoa to the 923,000 in Arthropoda (pp. 12, 85-88). Using his figures, we arrive at a total of 1,177,920 species. In addition, there are many animals that are as yet unknown. Wendt estimates that only 2 percent of all the parasitic worms are known, which would easily add another million species (p. 83). This includes as many as 500,000 nematodes, although only 15,000 have been described (Levine, p. 1). Ten thousand new species of insects are discovered every year, yet still only a small fraction of those in existence have been found (Atkins, p. 45). All of those creatures were known at one time, for Adam gave them all names (Genesis 2:19-20), and, since they exist today, they must have been on the ark. But we shall be extremely generous to the creationists and add only 500,000 undiscovered species to our figure of 1,177,920—thus giving a mere 1,677,920 species with which Noah had to contend. To this number, we must add the myriad of extinct prehistoric animals, which creationists assure us were alive at the time of the flood, making tracks in the Paluxy River, and which were known to Job afterward (John Morris, 1980, p. 65). This would vastly increase the numbers, since "only a tiny percentage of the animal and plant species that have ever existed are alive today" (Kear, p. 10). However, since creationists do not believe in transitional forms, we can again give them the benefit of the doubt and add to our total only the 200,000 different fossils that have been described. This brings the number to 1,877,920 species or animal pairs that were to be boarded onto the ark. Of course, we can't forget that Genesis 7:2-3 (particularly in the Revised Standard Version) makes it clear that only unclean animals come in single pairs, male and female; the clean animals and birds come in seven pairs, male and female. That means fourteen of each clean animal and each bird. But since figures for the number of clean animals are hard to find, we will have to let creationists off the hook and ignore them. Birds are another story. There are 8,590 species of birds. Since they have already been calculated into our figure of 1,877,920 species or 3,755,840 individual animals on the ark, we need only six more pairs of each species of bird to make it come out to seven pairs. That brings our count up to a grand total of 3,858,920 animals aboard the ark—two of each species, except birds which number fourteen each. [link to ncse.ngo (secure)] Who said they took adults? Or even babies? DNA takes up a lot less space. Or, take two wolves and you have the entire canine catalog. You don't need two of everything. Wolves and dogs are essentially the same kind. Oddly enough the term used in Genesis is kind. Last Edited by KB9OAK on 12/17/2021 06:05 PM "Y’know they’re schemers. Schemers trying to control their little worlds. I try to show the schemers how pathetic their attempts to control things really are"-Joker |
