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A leading Internet provider in the Emirates said an undersea cable had been cut in the Persian Gulf, causing severe phone line disruptions and compounding an already existing Internet outage across large parts of the Middle East and Asia after two other undersea cables were damaged earlier this week north of Egypt.

Omar Sultan, chief executive of Dubai's IPS DU, said Friday that the incident was "very unusual." He said it was not known how the underwater FLAG FALCON cable, stretching between the United Arab Emirates and Oman, had been damaged.

"The situation is critical for us in terms of congestion" on international lines, Sultan told The Associated Press, but refused to speculate on the extent of the damage. DU said in a press release that the cause of the incident "had not yet been identified."

The owner of the FALCON cable, U.K. FLAG Telecom said the cable was cut at 05:59 GMT Friday, 56 kilometers (34.8 miles) off the coast of Dubai and that a "repair ship has been notified and expected to arrive at the site in the next few days."

The U.K. company is also the owner of one of the undersea cables that were sliced Wednesday in the Mediterranean Sea. That damage triggered wide Internet outages, hampering businesses and private usage across the Mideast and Asia.

A FLAG official in India, speaking on condition of anonymity because of company policy, said workers were still trying to determine how the Persian Gulf cable was cut. He declined to comment on whether the cut was somehow linked to Wednesday's cut in Egypt, but said he did not believe FLAG's cables were deliberately targeted.

As in the case of the Mediterranean damage, which Egyptian officials said was caused by a ship's anchor when a vessel couldn't dock in the port of Alexandria, there was also speculation that an anchor had sliced the Persian Gulf cable.

DU said the incident "added further complications to the existing cuts on the FLAG Europe-Asia and SEA-ME-WE4 cables" off the coast of Egypt and that the Persian Gulf cut "impacted all international voice calls through the DU network," leading to "severe congestion and degradation of international voice calls."

It said national calls in the Emirates and Internet access were not affected.

DU serves large residential communities of expatriates in the Emirates, including residents on the man-made luxury islands off the coast of Dubai. The Internet provider also serves Dubai International Financial Center.

The full impact of the latest incident on trade in the Mideast's business hub will not be gauged until Sunday, the first working day after the Friday-Saturday Muslim weekend.

In Lebanon, Telecommunications Ministry officials met Friday with representatives of Internet companies operating in Beirut to discuss "a plan to contain the damage caused by a cut in the FLAG cable off Egypt's coast," the state-run National News Agency reported.

Earlier Friday, FLAG said that a repair ship was expected to arrive Tuesday at the site of the damaged cables off the coast of Alexandria, and that repair work would likely take a week.

The Mediterranean cut took place 8.3 kilometers (5 miles) from Alexandria, on a stretch linking Egypt to Italy, the company said but gave no explanation why repairs would take so long. Alexandria harbor has been closed for most of this week because of bad weather.

Egypt's Minister of Communications and Information Technology Tarek Kamil said Friday that the Internet service in the country would be up and running to about 80 percent of its usual capacity within 48 hours, revising an earlier statement that this level would be restored by late Friday.

"However, it's not before ten days until the Internet service returns to its normal performance," Kamil told the Friday edition of the state Al-Ahram newspaper. There are eight million Internet users in Egypt, according to a ministry count.

Kamil described Wednesday's damage as an "earthquake" and said the reason behind the cut would only be determined once repair teams with their robot equipment reach the damaged cables.

The official MENA new agency quoted Kamil as saying technicians managed to raise the level of the Internet service Thursday to about 45 percent and that Telecom Egypt would get soon a bandwidth of 10 gigabyte to be increased to 13 gigabyte — close to the country's total capacity of 16 gigabytes.

But Internet access remained sporadic Friday.

The paper also said that state Telecom Egypt on Thursday "sealed a deal" for a new 3,100 kilometer (1,900 miles) -long undersea cable between Egypt and France, also through the Mediterranean that would take over 18 months to complete. It did not say who Telecom's partners in the deal were.

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Kamil described Wednesday's damage as an "earthquake" and said the reason behind the cut would only be determined once repair teams with their robot equipment reach the damaged cables.


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Just a stupid question,
Could it be possible to hack those cables?
Like tap the info line and collect data flowing?
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"repair ship has been notified and expected to arrive at the site in the next few days."

Pardon? The next few days? Doesnt Dubai have like a gazillion contractors ready to check it out? Like within an hour or two?

I'd pull the BS flag if I wasnt on a proxy...
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People this story gets more bizarre by the moment. The fact is this is a War Games in process...

We are unwilling participants of Cyber Storm II..

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Saudi, Egyptian Internet Providers View Impact of Marine Cables Cut on Services

Text of report by Saudi-owned leading pan-Arab daily Al-Sharq al- Awsat website on 1 February

[Report by Turki al-Sahil in Riyadh and Abd-al-Sattar Ibrahim and Amir Haydar in Cairo: "Saudi Arabia: Internet Providers Stop Unnecessary Operations and 'Communications' Resorts to Other Routes"]

Several providers of internet services in Saudi Arabia have stopped their unnecessary operations in a move to reduce the impact of the disruption of two submarine cables on the flow of communications into the country after the cables were cut.

The Saudi Communications Company relied in its operations plans on several various tools to avoid a complete stoppage. Its Vice Chairman Engineer Sa'd Zafir al-Qahtani told "Al-Sharq al-Awsat" that his company was still working to repair some circuits that were affected by the incident which happened the day before yesterday and pointed out that the extent of the impact on communications in the country "remains unclear." Meanwhile Haytham Abu-A'ishah, the director general of Sahara.net Company, one of the internet providers in Saudi Arabia, asserted that his company "stopped several unnecessary internet operations, such as downloading films, songs, and so on." He said: "We gave continued operational priority to the extremely important electronic processes and informed our clients of this." This is not the first time that cables feeding Saudi Arabia and some countries in the region are cut. Abu-A'ishah is expecting the repair of the damage to the cables to take one week while not ruling out the possibility that the repair operation might take two weeks.

In its turn, the Communications and Information Technology Commission said in a statement the day before yesterday that "resumption of normal services might take several days" and stressed it was following up the situation and working with the providers "to find alternatives and quick solutions until the problem is solved." The commission attributed the slow internet access in Saudi Arabia "to the severance of the two submarine cables feeding the majority of communications providers in the region."

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According to Afghan Penlog and international media, Parwez Kambakhsh was detained by the authorities on October 27, 2007 for downloading and distributing an article that he found on an Iranian weblog to friends. It spoke of women’s rights, the Quran and the Prophet Mohammed. A local court in northern Afghanistan in Mazar-e Sharif has convicted him to death for the alleged blasphemy.

Global media watchdog Reporters Without Borders say the trial was “carried out in haste and without any concern for the law or for free expression, which is protected by the constitution.”

Index on Censorship says :

Deeply conservative Afghan clerics, most of whom have never used a computer or the Internet, believe Kambakhsh himself wrote the article and therefore found him guilty of blasphemy. Because there is no clear punishment for downloading “un-Islamic” articles from the Internet, the primary court of appeal asked clerics to comment. The conservative clerics, who had not investigated the case, demanded the death penalty.
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Reason "unknown" highly unlikely,I don't buy it for one moment.
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Just a stupid question,
Could it be possible to hack those cables?
Like tap the info line and collect data flowing?
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in the cold war we use frogmen and subs
to "tape " underwater cable next to ussr in the
sea on both side of world.
anyway there a book out a few years ago,
so im shure [we] usa the ussr pepps[ to many groups to name],
and maybe uk , hell maybe china has the tek to
do it.
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Internet companies in the Middle East were still trying to restore connections for their customers today after an undersea cable the width of a human finger was severed, bringing down networks in the region.

Two of the most important cables carrying internet traffic from Europe to South Asia were cut by a ship's anchor off the coast of Alexandria on Wednesday, disrupting internet traffic and phone services in Egypt, Kuwait and as far away as Pakistan.

In Kuwait, one internet service provider (ISP) experienced a 100 per cent outage of its network, while in Egypt and Pakistan several lost more than 70 per cent of their coverage, forcing operators to to redirect traffic along other routes.

"Everyone is trying to absorb the shock," Joseph Metry, a network supervisor at Orascom Telecom Holding SAE, one of the largest phone companies in the Middle East and North Africa, was quoted as saying.

The two cables, known as the Flag and SEA-ME-WEA-4 respectively, carry approximately 70 per cent of the internet traffic between Europe and the Middle East, but despite their importance are only just over a centimetre thick each.

Today there were reports that a third cable had been cut, compounding internet providers' woes, though the cause was unknown.

It is understood that the first two cables were broken after a severe weather warning in the Mediterranean Sea forced weather officials in Egypt to tell ships in the vicinity of Alexandria to drop their anchors. Two of the 40 ships that were nearby are thought to have unwittingly dropped their anchors directly on top of the cables, which are buried only 50cm beneath the surface and can easily be snagged.

Accordingly to Renesys, a company which monitors the web's performance globally, the severance of the cables "greatly impacted" phone and internet services to the Middle East, and repair time would likely be measured "in weeks not days."

Flag, which is owned by Reliance, the Indian telecommunications giant, and SEA-ME-WEA-4, which is run by a consortium of telecommunications companies, could not be reached for comment today, but a spokesman for Flag was quoted by Bloomberg as saying that a repair operation would begin on Monday.

Egyptian telecommunications companies said that traffic was being routed along other cables in the Suez in the meantime, but that customers could still expect to experience delays in peak periods as 'bottlenecks' were created.

AT&T and Verizon, the American operators, also said their networks had also been affected by the break, but weren't able to give details.

Paolo Rosa, a spokesman for the International Telecommunications Union, said that submarine cables were prone to being affected by earthquakes, fishing equiment, and anchors, but that in areas of high risk, particularly near coastlines, they often split in two so that traffic could be re-routed in the event of damage.

Bob Greenfield, chairman of the UK Cable Protection Committee, which negotiates with the fishing industry on behalf of British telcos, said that often cables were snapped by the beams that boats use to keep their fishing nets open, and which frequently drag along the seabed.

"A big anchor will also do it - mostly it's just bad luck," Mr Greenfield said. "There are charts which show the routes of all the cables so that ships don't interfere with them, but sometimes they forget their anchors are down."

The cables, which cost hundreds of millions of dollars to build, were made of fibre-optic material, and would have been " just a bit bigger than the width of a finger," he said.

In 2006, a deep-sea earthquake in the Luzon Strait, off the coast of Taiwan, wreaked havoc with internet connections in China for weeks, and triggered disruptions as far away as the United States.

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One of the censorship nightmares experienced by web-connected citizens living in countries engaging in Internet filtering is to find out that they can no longer access their favorite sites. Unfortunately, this is what is happening to the Flickr.com community in Iran and in the United Arab Emirates, where, a few weeks ago — and for the third time — the Internet service provider, Etisalat, decided to ban access to Flickr after the UAE Flickr community fought so hard to get it back.

However, and while repressive regimes are particularly effective in building substantial Internet filtering systems and at creating an atmosphere of fear in which people censor themselves, there are amazing individuals who are making a difference. In the asymmetrical battle — individual vs. State — taking place between two parties with vastly different resources, a few freedom-loving people have been taking on the sophisticated state censorship machine, armed with nothing but their passion and creativity. One of these people is the young Iranian Hamed Saber, Flickr fan and very talented photographer. One month ago he launched a Firefox extension called Access Flickr!, that enabled his fellow citizens to circumvent the flickr.com filter. I recently discovered this fascinating extension on flickr.com, where Hamed Saber presented it and invited the UAE Flickr community to try it for their country.

I’m aware that the existence of this extension does not mean very much to the large majority of average internet users who don’t know that the Web is not that big blue e on the desktop screen. But what I certainly know is that this tool does matter to those who want to take back the web and get back the magic of Flickr. So, I couldn’t wait to talk with Hamed by e-mail about his initiative and the hole that such technique might open in the firewall of digital censorship:
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Nearly one in three people in the Arab world is illiterate, including nearly half of all women in the region, the Tunis-based Arab League Educational Cultural and Scientific Organisation said Monday. Three-quarters of the 100 million people unable to read or write in the 21 Arab countries are aged between 15 and 45 years old, the Arab League group, known by its acronym ALECSO, said in a statement, cited by AFP.
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Hey no problem, we got repair ships that are on there way. They will take "a few days" to get to the area....

That's right "a few days"...

Cant they just phone Dubai to get one of the gazillion contractors there in a couple of hours?

Oh no!, we got dont want to solve the problem that quickly, Hell we can take our time, use boats and equipment from farawy, then mozy on down thru the Suez etc...

Dont worry we'll eventually get there...

Are your people in any rush?
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According to Afghan Penlog and international media, Parwez Kambakhsh was detained by the authorities on October 27, 2007 for downloading and distributing an article that he found on an Iranian weblog to friends. It spoke of women’s rights, the Quran and the Prophet Mohammed. A local court in northern Afghanistan in Mazar-e Sharif has convicted him to death for the alleged blasphemy.

Global media watchdog Reporters Without Borders say the trial was “carried out in haste and without any concern for the law or for free expression, which is protected by the constitution.”

Index on Censorship says :

Deeply conservative Afghan clerics, most of whom have never used a computer or the Internet, believe Kambakhsh himself wrote the article and therefore found him guilty of blasphemy. Because there is no clear punishment for downloading “un-Islamic” articles from the Internet, the primary court of appeal asked clerics to comment. The conservative clerics, who had not investigated the case, demanded the death penalty.
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and?
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I see that the disinformation is already pounding here. The nature and type of it is the same as the "women are abused in Afghanistan so let's attack it" propaganda that preceded the invasion of Afghanistan.

Now it's "the internet was cut by Iran because it allows freedom of speech". Of course, it's complete nonsense for so many reasons not least of which that Iran wouldn't actually do any censoring that way nor would those cables be cut if they were attempting to do such a thing and not where they were either. But this is the start of the very long list of why this propaganda makes is in pixie land. However, the Yanks bought into the Afghan campaign hook, line and sinker so Mr Average American will buy into this nonsense too.

The nature of this propaganda so closely mirrors the Afghan disinfo campaign that it's yet more evidence that the cable cutting was Israeli or American work.
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Nearly one in three people in the Arab world is illiterate, including nearly half of all women in the region, the Tunis-based Arab League Educational Cultural and Scientific Organisation said Monday. Three-quarters of the 100 million people unable to read or write in the 21 Arab countries are aged between 15 and 45 years old, the Arab League group, known by its acronym ALECSO, said in a statement, cited by AFP.
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And yet mor propaganda.
This from a Jewish-controlled source.

Hmm... finger is starting to point decidedly at Israel.
That and the fact that Israel and US bases alone were NOT affected by the cable cutting.

Three cables in three days... this is way beyond coincidence. And way, way beyond "a ship's anchor".
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I see that the disinformation is already pounding here. The nature and type of it is the same as the "women are abused in Afghanistan so let's attack it" propaganda that preceded the invasion of Afghanistan.

Now it's "the internet was cut by Iran because it allows freedom of speech". Of course, it's complete nonsense for so many reasons not least of which that Iran wouldn't actually do any censoring that way nor would those cables be cut if they were attempting to do such a thing and not where they were either. But this is the start of the very long list of why this propaganda makes is in pixie land. However, the Yanks bought into the Afghan campaign hook, line and sinker so Mr Average American will buy into this nonsense too.

The nature of this propaganda so closely mirrors the Afghan disinfo campaign that it's yet more evidence that the cable cutting was Israeli or American work.
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I don't know how often you visit this site but nobody here can stand the megaphonies. They just descend on us and harass us. Nobody here buys their bullshit. They preach only to themselves and are despised by all decent people. They are desparate, though, because of the growing hatred of zionism, in the US.
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hmmmmm.......Cut the internet, and then the power, a definite precursor to an aerial attack. The new moon should also provide decent cover..........................
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It must be the Israelis. The US would not cut something for Dubai.
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cable map
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Thanks for the cable map - it's fascinating.
Read several articles on line last night and claims are repairs will take up to two weeks.
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you cant repair these things with just a frogman and a reel of masking tape
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no net for iran now

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Nearly one in three people in the Arab world is illiterate, including nearly half of all women in the region, the Tunis-based Arab League Educational Cultural and Scientific Organisation said Monday. Three-quarters of the 100 million people unable to read or write in the 21 Arab countries are aged between 15 and 45 years old, the Arab League group, known by its acronym ALECSO, said in a statement, cited by AFP.


And yet mor propaganda.
This from a Jewish-controlled source.


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Home > The Arab League Educational Cultural and Scientific Organization (ALECSO) - Updated: 2005-07-11 6:27 pm
ALECSO is a specialized Arab organization, established by the League of Arab States. Its primary responsibility is the promotion and co-ordination of educational, cultural and scientific activities at the regional and national levels in the Arab world.



The UIS collects literacy data from about 220 countries and territories through its annual survey. The reported data are based upon censuses as well as national and international household surveys. In addition, the UIS supplements the data with information obtained from the United Nations Statistical Division and the Multiple Indicator Cluster Survey, conducted by UNICEF.

It is important to note that only national authorities can submit data to the UIS literacy survey.
They are requested to consult the electronic version of this survey, designed for this purpose.
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According to Afghan Penlog and international media, Parwez Kambakhsh was detained by the authorities on October 27, 2007 for downloading and distributing an article that he found on an Iranian weblog to friends. It spoke of women’s rights, the Quran and the Prophet Mohammed. A local court in northern Afghanistan in Mazar-e Sharif has convicted him to death for the alleged blasphemy.

Global media watchdog Reporters Without Borders say the trial was “carried out in haste and without any concern for the law or for free expression, which is protected by the constitution.”

Index on Censorship says :

Deeply conservative Afghan clerics, most of whom have never used a computer or the Internet, believe Kambakhsh himself wrote the article and therefore found him guilty of blasphemy. Because there is no clear punishment for downloading “un-Islamic” articles from the Internet, the primary court of appeal asked clerics to comment. The conservative clerics, who had not investigated the case, demanded the death penalty.



and?
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And? - If these fuckwits are so threatened by someone dowmloading an article about womans liberation from the internet, that they can sentence him to death - You think they would not jump at the chance to cut all the cables!?

It is the ONLY chance that these ordinary people have to hear an opinion not filtered and approved by either their gov or Mosque - if they are lucky enough to be able to read that is - and then probably only arabic language articles.
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war preparations.

first take communication and power down, after that you can fly air raids against your "enemy" and eventually also use nukes...without anybody noticing it...except your enemy who can't do shit since he's now blind, deaf and without communication.

the US and israel will very soon attack or NUKE iran or another, yet unknown, ME country...and the rest of the world doesn't notice it...maybe afterwards when it's too late.

but the one who uses the first nuke will HAVE to get turned into ashes...the nuke weapons regulation...it DOES exist.

the one who uses the first nuke will become a "rogue terrorist country" and has to be eliminated as fast as possible with ALL MEANS.

don't believe me? ok, do your own research and then come back here.

as soon as washington d.c. or capitol hill and israel are gone, i will make a party in my neighborhood and praise the day.

make no mistake, i LOVE the US...half of my relatives are born US citizens. but the current rogue bush terrorist regime HAS to come to an end...one way or the other.
(ok, i hate israel...but they're simply plain evil.)
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Just a stupid question,
Could it be possible to hack those cables?
Like tap the info line and collect data flowing?
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you could put a tap in when it is repaired
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Rust
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Rust
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you stupid brick don't know shit.

1) all undersea cables are fiber optic cables and therefor CAN'T rust. on top of that they're heavily isolated and shielded by special materials.

2) if they were copper cables they also couldn't rust...copper is unable to rust, same applies to gold, silver aluminium and a few others. on top of that, copper cables are also heavily shielded and isolated.

3) copper cables (copper belongs to the family of fancy metals...as does gold...) have long ago been replaced by fiber optic cables.

get your facts straight and educate yourself before you post such crap.
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war preparations.

first take communication and power down, after that you can fly air raids against your "enemy" and eventually also use nukes...without anybody noticing it...except your enemy who can't do shit since he's now blind, deaf and without communication.

the US and israel will very soon attack or NUKE iran or another, yet unknown, ME country...and the rest of the world doesn't notice it...maybe afterwards when it's too late.

but the one who uses the first nuke will HAVE to get turned into ashes...the nuke weapons regulation...it DOES exist.

the one who uses the first nuke will become a "rogue terrorist country" and has to be eliminated as fast as possible with ALL MEANS.

don't believe me? ok, do your own research and then come back here.

as soon as washington d.c. or capitol hill and israel are gone, i will make a party in my neighborhood and praise the day.

make no mistake, i LOVE the US...half of my relatives are born US citizens. but the current rogue bush terrorist regime HAS to come to an end...one way or the other.
(ok, i hate israel...but they're simply plain evil.)
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Exactly!
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