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LittleAlien
12/06/2004 09:08 PM
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Studying serial killers in connection to the understanding of the human brain for application into artificial intelligence and how to prevent creating a terminator gene in the artificial beings of the future. – A thought process into playing God. (Sorry for the long title.)

For years I’ve been in a ‘think tank’ for various subjects, one being artificial intelligence. Many friends with special interests or knowledge join in, but there are three of us who make up the core. One educated on the mind and one with a certain gift for electronics. Add my knowledge of computers and you have a pretty interesting trio, or boring if this isn’t your thing. I’m writing this post to prepare for our next venture into the digital mind.

Our basic thought is that the beginning of life was most possibly as simple as simple can be, and so should any beginning of artificial life be too. Especially a life form which is intended to at one point develop a conscious self awareness and a desire to live. We believe those people who are creating robotic insects have much better chance of success than those recreating the human brain in form of electrodes and code. A development in this last area is needed, but we believe it must come from the AI itself. God did not give the human brain what we commonly call the three laws, (or did he?), so why should we give it to the AI? The human’s need to control it’s subject may be the biggest obstacle for success. So how do we make sure we don’t create monsters? Can we be sure? If not, should we go ahead and play Gods?

I have always been interested in the human mind. In itself it’s a wonderful creation capable of almost anything, and sometimes nothing at all. We can spend a lifetime trying to understand one self and the world around us. While our minds processes a lifetime of information, we need to exist in the moment. We need to cope with the big picture now so we don’t snap tomorrow, and due to certain limitations in both knowledge and brain power, we are forced to make some uneducated guesses along the way. Every now and then we ‘reach’ a new level of knowledge which teaches us that our prior assumptions may have been wrong, and we are able to adjust ourselves accordingly. But even before we reach this level of knowledge, our minds usually does the ‘right’ thing anyway. This is the advantage of being human, in our unconscious minds there lies a soul that guides us. How can you teach this to a machine? How will this evolve in a practically limitless environment?

I just watched a documentary about Richard Kuklinski, the serial killer known as “Iceman”, entitled “The Iceman and the psychiatrist”. This is a scary journey into to the mind of a madman, and I recommend people to see it. (I saw it on Norwegian television, so I have no idea how you will be able to though.) I knew the psyche of the human was weak and capable of cold and morbid behavior, but this is really an eye opener. (On a side note I must commend the shrink´s courage. I know he’s a pro and there are guards in the room, but some of his questions would even make me mad.) Now back to the issue.

The Kuklinski case is interesting because it gives us a view into what a human brain is capable of in a limitless environment. The lessons learned almost forces us to implement some form of control mechanism when talking AI, but then we are basically back to a computer program. Something not even close to self-conscious life. This path will only lead to a simulation of human behavior, and not a new life form. Simulators will one day be a useful application in human society, but it will not be a life form like the rest of us animals. No, we need to go further than simulators. We have to create a new evolutionary platform, and one of the most important tasks is to create a new digital DNA strand, but I guess we only need the beginning of it…..or how does such a code begin it’s existence anyway? Oh no, it’s the “What came first, the chicken or the egg?”–thing again. I need to study this in detail. I guess it will take time. (lol)

Back to the Kuklinski case. The psychiatric suggested that the explanation for Kuklinski’s condition was probably linked to his genes. I haven’t updated myself on the human genome research, but I guess there are certain codes that makes certain people respond to certain events in a more specific manor than the rest of us. Something which hints that maybe there is a behavior code imprinted in our DNA? In Kuklinski’s case, it must have been somewhat of a ‘devil’ gene, but is it really necessary to take this into consideration at all? The thought, when one creates a beginning do you dictate the ending, comes to mind. Did the Creator, God if you wish, know what he was about to create, or did it accept life as it came along…?

Moral... Do’s and don’ts.
We believe that eventually, somewhere down the line of evolution, a life form which has it’s birth in computer code will occur naturally anyway. This means that basically we are only looking for a method to speed up this process. In order to actually be successful with this, we think that it’s essential to sidestep the issue of moral which is currently clogging so much of our modern sciences. Evolution knows no boundaries. Moral is an unknown in the space and time continuum. So we are on a collision course with the interests of mankind. Getting acceptance for the idea of creating a life form without morale, no sense of justice, basically no set code for separating right and wrong, is going to be one hell of a problem. But we believe that this is just one more thing that has to appear from within. So much of nature did just that simply out of need. Everything does what it does and looks like it does for a reason.

The list of questions is endless, and since this is just meant for brainstorming, I will cut it short here. Lets go back to the second part of the thread title “how to prevent creating a terminator gene in the artificial beings of the future”. Despite the fact that we believe that even artificial life has to evolve ‘naturally’ without limitations, we do need a way to deal with this issue. We have our theories, but we need more input, so please share if you have any bright ideas besides writing a behavior control code similar to the three laws much used by Hollywood.

One short comment on the popular “three law” rule. It will not work for future digital beings. The biggest problem is that it’s based in human logic. Future digital life forms will not be logical in our sense of the word. Is God logical? Are we really logical? Does God see us as logical? Will the AI? Our sense of logic is limited by our knowledge of the universe and the science that binds it, and this level of knowledge is then limited by the capacity of our brains. The future holds no limits. Future entities may actually create order out of chaos, and then our way of seeing things will only be a hindrance to them. We know that if you limit a humans mind space too much, he will go insane. We can’t afford the risk to have possibly smarter but then insane beings running around. Then comes the question, will we allow them to become superior to humans? With their own sense of logic, and hopefully a understanding of right and wrong that’s similar to ours?

Fasten your seatbelts. This sure is going to be a bumpy ride.

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12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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When the gods made man in their image they set a rule of what man was prohibited to do. Man broke that rule because another programmer came in and tried to influence man. From the perspective of the gods, man was their machine, their artificial intelligence play toy.

When man broke the rules that the gods set the gods knew that they were no longer safe from man. Man would attempt to usurp their creators maybe even destroy or kill them. As a result, man was banished from the garden of Eden.

Later, other rules were added in an attempt to neutralize or weed out a certain genetic characteristic. Remember the tares and the wheat? The sheep and the wolves. The growing mind and the mind of the psychopath.

Then the gods came up with a brilliant idea of drowning their creation, then they broke and destroyed the tower of babel and confused the languages of man. Then they used biological and weather modification warfare to wipe out the certain gene that was threatening their "godhood".

Then came the Ten Commandments which were probably the early attempt to eliminate the rampaging psychopath lawbreaker gene. All the punishments for the breaking of the Commandments were met with Death. The god who gave the Hebrews the commandments was only interested in saving that specific stock of man/machine. It worked for the Hebrews, until they ran into the Nefilim hybrids who apparently were upgrades to the original man structure and began to cross breed with them. Now, the Nefilim were the creations of one of the other gods. The gods use their followers to fight their wars. The wars of men are the gods version of ROBOT WARS where one god fights another god for something or other.

When it began to be apparent that the psychopath gene would not be stopped then the creators of man concerned for their own safety decided to start various religions and program the minds of their machines with all kinds of nonesense so that man would waste most of his limited life span in search of something wich turns out to be a bunch of lies.

The gods learned that their machines (man) started to preserve their knowledge and pass it on their newborn replacements. So, the gods decided to use the various religions to destroy this knowledge. Vast libraries were burned in wars and such.

So, here we are. The gods fear man and his psychopathic nature. Perhaps the world is similar to the movie "Blade Runner" or "Clockwork Orange".

Intelligence, knowledge and the processing ability to use it and apply it to improve life of men is a dangerous combination to the creators of any AI. Read the Bible from the perspective of a potential AI creator. You will be the god of your creation. Beware of anyone who might be inclined to modify the set parameters that you first establish, or you might be recreating the story of man in the garden of eden and then from your perspecrive the project might turn into the story of Frankenstein. In that original story the creator was toppled by his creation.

Cheers. Disregard my spelling and punctuation, I was in a hurry writing this.
LittleAlien
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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Thanks for your post. rose
First comment goes to the Frankenstein scenario. Obviously the thought have crossed my mind, but somehow it doesn´t scare me. I’m aware that a thing like this might be risky for the human race, but can a creator of life allow himself to take such considerations? The current path of man seem to lead to extinction anyway, so the question is almost who do you want to take over? The bugs or the bots? To survive as a race, we need to know more about ourselves and why we are here. In order to achieve a greater understanding of ourselves, many taboos might have to be broken. Hopefully the AI’s can teach us more about ourselves. Maybe that’s why God created man?
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You would be farther ahead to post a fart thread here at GLP.
That is if you would
like some one to read what you write.
The intellectual capacity here is very, very low for 98 percent of the members here.
Look around, most of the adults here have the mentality of 12 year olds.
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Yes, indeed, this thread has too many words, many of the over three and four letters long as well.
LittleAlien
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I know 10:21, but never underestimate the brain power of the idiot.:)