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Why no proper aspiration used for the jab? Unnecessary potentially life threatening risk.

 
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Don't know the answer.

it is probably to make it easier for technicians and all to give the shot.


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Technicians?? My Brothers girlfriends moms uncle is giving shots at toy barn!
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Some day they will give us the choice to inject ourselves with vaccines if we want. I can’t imagine it’s too hard to give yourself a self injection
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Don't know the answer.

it is probably to make it easier for technicians and all to give the shot.


I learned the old way.
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Technicians?? My Brothers girlfriends moms uncle is giving shots at toy barn!
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yeah, but they sell Fisher Price nurse kits.
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In countries following the CDC vaccination guidelines, which already existed pre 2019, aspiration is not applied anymore in general during the injection. That means during the injection no direct check is done to verify that the vaccine is not entering the blood stream and stays intramuscular like the vendors absolutely require. Only indirect mitigations are done, like using the correct needle length or selecting a spot with low probability of hitting a blood vessel.

If the vaccine enters the blood stream, it is often a critical and potential life threatening situation as blood clots can form on the vaccine micro particulates. Most TV snippets showing injections now show clearly a direct one way push, no slight pull on the syringe plunger as it was done pre-2017 usually.

The vendors don’t add the strict requirement for intramuscular injection without reason.

Dr. Campbell, retired Nursing Teacher in the UK, repeated about this topic several times already on his channel. Most recently here:


The CDC guideline from 2017 where it changed to no aspiration:
[link to www.cdc.gov (secure)]

I have read somewhere that already around 2005 was a similar change published, but couldn’t find it. There is strangely not much foundation in references given in public about this CDC decision.

All this together makes it for informed self-thinking citizens even more difficult to follow the vaccine story. This combination appears like a Kafkaesk nightmare.
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I've never in my life seen aspiration used during a vaccination injection.

This is complete bs.
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It's not being injected directly in the blood stream and it would take 60cc's of pure air into an artery to even have a chance of anything happening. Veins carry deoxygenated blood and air bubbles will readily be absorbed.

You're touting a DARE myth to scare people out of using heroin. No one aspirates with a brain.
 Quoting: GodisImagination


what?

Even junkies aspirate to make sure they are in a vein...

lol

ALL intramuscular injections REQUIRE aspiration to make sure they are NOT in a vein.

Yet somehow, this one, which is DEADLY if it gets into your bloodstream, doesn't require aspiration?

-sigh-
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


No they don't. I used steroids for 20 years I know damn well what I'm talking about. A vein will collapse before any appreciable amount of air can enter. Like I said, it would take a 60cc syringe of pure air into an artery (a vein would collapse).

Any modern doctor knows this. There is no need to aspirate. That's medieval thinking.

Junkies are TRYING to hit veins. You're ass backwards.
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Yes, BUT....it's still proper etiquette/procedure to ALWAYS aspirate....UNLESS starting a line or hitting a large veseel such as Ext/Internal Jugular/Subclavian/Femoral....or doing an IC/pericardiocentesis with pressures. Now...if the patient is in arrest, aspiration may help with proper placement of a line....ie no blood flow. The REAL reason for aspiration is SOME drugs/dosages are NOT to go in a bloodstream.....such as the VAX
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In countries following the CDC vaccination guidelines, which already existed pre 2019, aspiration is not applied anymore in general during the injection. That means during the injection no direct check is done to verify that the vaccine is not entering the blood stream and stays intramuscular like the vendors absolutely require. Only indirect mitigations are done, like using the correct needle length or selecting a spot with low probability of hitting a blood vessel.

If the vaccine enters the blood stream, it is often a critical and potential life threatening situation as blood clots can form on the vaccine micro particulates. Most TV snippets showing injections now show clearly a direct one way push, no slight pull on the syringe plunger as it was done pre-2017 usually.

The vendors don’t add the strict requirement for intramuscular injection without reason.

Dr. Campbell, retired Nursing Teacher in the UK, repeated about this topic several times already on his channel. Most recently here:


The CDC guideline from 2017 where it changed to no aspiration:
[link to www.cdc.gov (secure)]

I have read somewhere that already around 2005 was a similar change published, but couldn’t find it. There is strangely not much foundation in references given in public about this CDC decision.

All this together makes it for informed self-thinking citizens even more difficult to follow the vaccine story. This combination appears like a Kafkaesk nightmare.
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work at hospital in s georgia some years ago one practice was to withdraw blood from healthy people a pactice that go back centurys with leeches an opening a vein those ol farmers swore by itcool2
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i was a modern day medieval physician5a
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even junkies know how to aspirate

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Interesting fact...

Aspiration of vaccines into muscle probably stopped 20+ years ago when injecting babies in the thigh, as it caused unnecessary added pain. A baby thigh muscles arteries are undeveloped at such an early stage.

Aspiration gradually dropped from use. Covid19 jabs have been given by hurriedly trained staff, many of which have been government employees such as civil servants. They are not clinicians of ANY kind other than 20 minutes on-the-job training sticking needles into people.

Governments and their medical advisor have gone so far in on this experimental gene therapy, they need to keep the lies going at the risk of another modern day Nuremberg Trial.
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I've never in my life seen aspiration used during a vaccination injection.
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It's barely visible when done by a professional as the syringe is not moved during it, just a bit on the plunger.

This friendly lady from India Today explains it:


Dr. Moran tells about aspiration on his channel:
"COVID Vaccine | Are poor injection techniques causing blood clots and myocarditis?"


Training video dated 2012 from Oxford University Medical School showing proper aspiration:


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Simple. If they aspirated it and blood was drawn back out it would immediately clot.

They'd have to throw out that vaxx because it would clog
 Quoting: EndItNow

Not necessarily with all the vit c and solvents in it.

Just chiming in as I have been a nurse for going on 30 years-- you do not need to aspirate an injection into intramuscular or even intradermal. We are given solid guidelines for where to inject intramuscular needles so that you are not hitting a vein. The deltoid muscle in the upper arm is one place. There are no major veins there to hit.
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Well you're not working for me ever.

Just chiming in as I have been a nurse for going on 30 years-- you do not need to aspirate an injection into intramuscular or even intradermal. We are given solid guidelines for where to inject intramuscular needles so that you are not hitting a vein. The deltoid muscle in the upper arm is one place. There are no major veins there to hit.
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even a capillary will fuck you up

I can't believe you wouldn't aspirate just to be sure?
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^

I've had patients 40 years and I think that claim is new and bullsh*t to go along with medical immunity and depopulation

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the shot is meant to kill you, i'm sure they're super worried about aspirating the needle so it doesn't hurt you

this is like asking the firing squad why they didn't cover their mouth when they sneezed
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Maybe they were wearing masks
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First they pushed out the older medical staff. Then they built a team of young minorities who are thrilled to make $14/hr or more. They had them sing and do choreographed dances and called them heroes so they'd build loyalty to the workplace. Now most medical buildings are staffed with young, undertrained minorities who will gladly turn a blind eye to questionable (un)ethical behavior because if they keep their mouth shut they get a paycheck and get called a hero
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I've had patients 40 years and I think that claim is new and bullsh*t to go along with medical immunity and depopulation
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It's indeed strange, especially as many other countries have rejected that detail of the CDC guideline. Next to Denmark, for example also Taiwan.

And to avoid accusing medical professionals in the US in general: There are reports about people having received the mRNA shots with proper aspiration at CVS, Walgreens , Walmart and other similar places.
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it does not stay in your muscle anyway so they figure who cares at this point
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Don't know the answer.

it is probably to make it easier for technicians and all to give the shot.


I learned the old way.
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And give immediate adverse reactions with clotting etc..
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Currently the shots are like russian roulette, or even if you're on a list or the giver doesn't like you, intentional homicide. Something like 20% could be having immediately life threatening results from the way its given.

Though it still leaves the muscles according to scientists who have studied it, and circulates and large amounts are found in reproductive organs for example, vascular system. This is more about the immediate injuries and death some have had, immediate reactions. Long term isn't good and people who have taken this need to treat themselves as if they have HIV and really take a lot of supplements including zinc, curcumin, D3, C, quercetin, NAC, msm sulfur, dandelion leaf and root, cannibinoids, glutathione, selenium, reseveratrol, oil of oregano, quinines, and ivermectin if possible. Also pine needle or fennel or star anise for the shikimic acid.
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We are so fucked. Any words of reassurance for a regular person? I'm really feeling the pressure now. 26/M/UK
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But yes, the big fault is the mad scientists believing they can do a better job than our Creator by changing our immune system and genetics.

I'll stick with my God given operating system Version 1.0

Thank you very much.
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We are so fucked. Any words of reassurance for a regular person? I'm really feeling the pressure now. 26/M/UK
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Hang in there. 2023 the vaccine trial period ends, things will probably change after that,hopefully for the better.
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it saves muscle pain. duh! who cares if it kills a couple homies when you're saving all those people those aches and pains
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We are so fucked. Any words of reassurance for a regular person? I'm really feeling the pressure now. 26/M/UK
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move to usa,might get sent to Ukraine, at least you have fighting chance.. kill the queen!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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We are so fucked. Any words of reassurance for a regular person? I'm really feeling the pressure now. 26/M/UK
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we've always been effed at least you're cognizant of it at the moment. next life man. next life. enjoy orientation. this is closer to hell than you'll ever be again. woo woo!
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Just chiming in as I have been a nurse for going on 30 years-- you do not need to aspirate an injection into intramuscular or even intradermal. We are given solid guidelines for where to inject intramuscular needles so that you are not hitting a vein. The deltoid muscle in the upper arm is one place. There are no major veins there to hit.
 Quoting: Jewlz


even a capillary will fuck you up

I can't believe you wouldn't aspirate just to be sure?
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


I do with my own shots I have to take... or redraw the syringe to be minus air in it.
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This has nothing to do with air in the syringe. Only in determining if it is installed and artery or a vein.
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I am a former nurse who gave a lot of injections... and air is an issue if installed accidently in the either a vein or artery/ .... You must check that... and there is no way 100% possible to be sure if your needle is in a vein or artery if you do not check... I know this from experience. you must look for blood return .

You must aspirate to be sure where the tip of the needle actually is.. Period. You have no way to be sure otherwise. there is not only air but many meds should not be accidentally placed in vein or artery.

the absorption of said medicine can be affected with adverse effects... DO NOT ARGUE THIS WITH ME.. I KNOW.

to the deltoid post above.. that is a powerful muscle and it can have veins and arteries big enough to present risk.. where are your brains people.. absent?
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even a capillary will fuck you up

I can't believe you wouldn't aspirate just to be sure?
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I do with my own shots I have to take... or redraw the syringe to be minus air in it.
 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL


This has nothing to do with air in the syringe. Only in determining if it is installed and artery or a vein.
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I am a former nurse who gave a lot of injections... and air is an issue if installed accidently in the either a vein or artery/ .... You must check that... and there is no way 100% possible to be sure if your needle is in a vein or artery if you do not check... I know this from experience. you must look for blood return .

You must aspirate to be sure where the tip of the needle actually is.. Period. You have no way to be sure otherwise. there is not only air but many meds should not be accidentally placed in vein or artery.

the absorption of said medicine can be affected with adverse effects... DO NOT ARGUE THIS WITH ME.. I KNOW.

to the deltoid post above.. that is a powerful muscle and it can have veins and arteries big enough to present risk.. where are your brains people.. absent?
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It's not being injected directly in the blood stream and it would take 60cc's of pure air into an artery to even have a chance of anything happening. Veins carry deoxygenated blood and air bubbles will readily be absorbed.

You're touting a DARE myth to scare people out of using heroin. No one aspirates with a brain.
 Quoting: GodisImagination


Noone said anything about air bubbles. This is about making sure the vaxx is administered into muscle tissue and not directly into blood stream. My nurse friend 100% was taught to always aspirate intramuscular injections when in school. She claims when she got her xovid shot the nurse did aspirate. She was shocked when I told her the cdc recommended not too anymore. She works in an administrative position.
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Because not enough people are stupid and/or desperate enough to get the jabbs so they gotta increase the numbers of deaths, somehow

^^^^^ CDC is EVIL
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I sense desperation in the lizard govt. No one is sick in here in fl. It's a attack on gov santos integrity compared to bidrn and trump. Vaccine pushers to the point they try an take your rights away
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It's not being injected directly in the blood stream and it would take 60cc's of pure air into an artery to even have a chance of anything happening. Veins carry deoxygenated blood and air bubbles will readily be absorbed.

You're touting a DARE myth to scare people out of using heroin. No one aspirates with a brain.
 Quoting: GodisImagination


what?

Even junkies aspirate to make sure they are in a vein...

lol

ALL intramuscular injections REQUIRE aspiration to make sure they are NOT in a vein.

Yet somehow, this one, which is DEADLY if it gets into your bloodstream, doesn't require aspiration?

-sigh-
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


No they don't. I used steroids for 20 years I know damn well what I'm talking about. A vein will collapse before any appreciable amount of air can enter. Like I said, it would take a 60cc syringe of pure air into an artery (a vein would collapse).

Any modern doctor knows this. There is no need to aspirate. That's medieval thinking.

Junkies are TRYING to hit veins. You're ass backwards.
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It's not being injected directly in the blood stream and it would take 60cc's of pure air into an artery to even have a chance of anything happening. Veins carry deoxygenated blood and air bubbles will readily be absorbed.

You're touting a DARE myth to scare people out of using heroin. No one aspirates with a brain.
 Quoting: GodisImagination


what?

Even junkies aspirate to make sure they are in a vein...

lol

ALL intramuscular injections REQUIRE aspiration to make sure they are NOT in a vein.

Yet somehow, this one, which is DEADLY if it gets into your bloodstream, doesn't require aspiration?

-sigh-
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


No they don't. I used steroids for 20 years I know damn well what I'm talking about. A vein will collapse before any appreciable amount of air can enter. Like I said, it would take a 60cc syringe of pure air into an artery (a vein would collapse).

Any modern doctor knows this. There is no need to aspirate. That's medieval thinking.

Junkies are TRYING to hit veins. You're ass backwards.
 Quoting: GodisImagination


you are misunderstanding...this talk is not about air bubbles, please read the original posts... not about air, about getting toxic dangerous hazardous syringe contents accidentally directly into bloodstream
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We are so fucked. Any words of reassurance for a regular person? I'm really feeling the pressure now. 26/M/UK
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we've always been effed at least you're cognizant of it at the moment. next life man. next life. enjoy orientation. this is closer to hell than you'll ever be again. woo woo!
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I'm pretty sure this IS Hell...
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If I ever have any injections again and that is highly unlikely as they're so keen to get SOMETHING into all of us, Ill tell them to aspirate and watch and if they don't I'm taking that as attempted murder.
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I would be willing to guess that is you use that particular word...most of those fake nurses doing the injections won't even know what that word means. That is even a better test or a duel check.
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most of those [...] doing the injections won't even know what that word means.
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Possibly, eespecially when reading some comments below the youtube videos where people report about their experience at public vax stations. Some vax-providers in those reports mistook the word for verification that no air is in the syringe. Checking about no air in the syringe is of course also important, but at least that's still done everywhere.

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