Very detailed update on falling satellite | |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 227611 United States 02/03/2008 10:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pretty much anywhere, continentally, if you look at this map showing longitude and latitude: [link to images.google.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 203352 United States 02/06/2008 12:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "A National Security Council official says that some of the debris could involve hazardous materials. The satellite is not nuclear-powered so there should be no risk from radioactive materials, although some spacecraft do carry tiny plutonium-powered heaters, but these would not pose a debris hazard." Um, that last statement is OUTRAGEOUSLY WRONG, people! WE WERE NOT PREVIOUSLY AWARE OF PLUTONIUM ON BOARD. JUST A SMALL AMOUNT OF THIS P-238, IF AEROSOLIZED CAN DO SIGNIFICANT WIDESPREAD DAMAGE. THIS IS NOW SERIOUS! The heaters they are referring to are the size of a pencil eraser, BUT there are several of them onboard. It does not take much of this stuff to become a problem, just mere parts per billion in the air. They are hoping they stay intact on reentry, because if they don't and break up completely, that is VERY SERIOUS! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 203352 United States 02/06/2008 12:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Second, plutonium is an incredibly potent cancer producing agent. When ingested or inhaled, 5 micrograms can produce delayed lung, bone, or liver cancer. Twenty milligrams can cause edema and necrosis, with death within months (1). (28gm = 1oz.; 1 microgram = 1 millionth of a gram; 1 milligram = 1 thousandth of a gram)." |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 203352 United States 02/06/2008 12:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | '...NASA even admits that plutonium can cause genetic defects in future offspring. "Several possible outcomes to the ejection of an alpha particle from a decaying plutonium-238 nucleas may occur to a nearby cell....". "The alpha particles strike a portion of a chomosone within the cell modifying the chromosone, but not killing the cell. This is the most potentially harmful. This process may lead to the induction of cancer or genetic effects which may be passed on to offspring. (ICRP1990)." See Ref.9' |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 203352 United States 02/06/2008 12:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "II. PLUTONIUM - A POTENT CARCINOGEN More than one hundred years of human experience with radioactivity has proved that radioactivity causes cancer. Plutonium is no different, except that it can cause cancer in doses that are microscopic and invisible. NASA thrives on secrecy and deceit: plutonium is only a little, little, very small cause of cancer - if at all. If you get cancer from Cassini, you would have gotten it anyway. Cassini had nothing to do with it. Plutonium is so hazardous to human health that professional scientists cannot buy or possess, quantities as low as 0.1 microcurie (one ten-millionth of a curie, the scientific unit for measuring radioactivity) for use as a calibration laboratory source, without prior license from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission(NRC). Nor can they dispose of it without prior license from the NRC or from the Florida office of Radiation Control (2). Yet, NASA is about to launch 402,000 curies of plutonium, an amount that is 4 trillion times the amount deemed hazardous to human health. Plutonium is an especially-potent radiological poison because of its high rate of alpha particle emission and its specific absorption in bone marrow. Once it enters the body through inhalation, ingestion, or through a cut, it becomes an internal emitter that emits highly-destructive radiation to the body tissues in which it concentrates. It is akin to an internal X-ray machine. Plutonium is a bone seeker, known to produce bone cancer. It also produces lung, and liver cancers. Plutonium-238's danger is increased by its long half-life (88 years). At present, the total Earth burden of plutonium from nuclear explosions, nuclear bomb tests, and nuclear mishaps is 440,000 curies. The Cassini could add 402,000 curies to the Earth's burden if it were to explode on launch or suffer a mishap on the two near-Earth flybys. If even a fraction of the 402,000 curies were to be released in the local area, the resulting health effects could be catastrophic to the Florida Space Coast. If the 72.3 pounds of plutonium were spread world wide in a burn up during Earth flyby, the world's burden of plutonium would be increased from 440,000 to 842,000 curies. Increased lung, bone, and liver cancers would result, but the resulting cancers would be hard to pinpoint, since they would be spread over the world's population. They could not be traced, since cancers produced by nuclear radiation cannot be distinguished from cancers of other origin. " |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 203352 United States 02/06/2008 12:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "V. - Lightweight Radioisotope Heater Units (LWRHUs) Strung along the Cassini spacecraft like tree ornaments are 137 lightweight radioisotope heater units (LWRHUs). The cheerful image of Christmas tree ornaments vanishes when one realizes that the units contain deadly plutonium dioxide. Their packaging is minimal, and their distribution all over the spacecraft makes them highly likely to spill their deadly contents in case of an accident. The LWHRUs are intended to serve as footwarmers, each supplying approximately 1 watt of heat to the various instrument packages spread throughout the spacecraft. The LWRHU units are made up of 2.7 grams (1/10 ounce), some 31 curies of plutonium dioxide. NASA insists that each LWHRU is armored to prevent dispersal of the plutonium in case of an accident. This is a fantasy. The plutonium is protected only by a 0.040-inch (5/128") thin shell of a platinum-rhodium alloy, three thin graphite insulator shells of a combined thickness of 1/8 inch, plus an outer shell of graphite 3/16 inches thick. An explosion, flying objects, or an planned Earth reentry could rupture the LWHRU ornaments, spilling their deadly plutonium dioxide. Because of their exposed location on the spacecraft, they pose a particular risk during an unplanned Earth reentry if they impact on a hard surface. In case of an accident during flyby, there is the added heat of reentry, which could vaporize the graphite housings, thus leaving the plutonium pellets wearing nothing but their thin platinum shells." This is the stuff aboard US-193, better description |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 203352 United States 02/06/2008 12:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Shielding should hold, but if not.... 2.7 grams of Pu-238 Dioxide (some of which is Pu-239)times the number that break up aboard US-193 will be scattered over the break up area! |
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Nothing Is True User ID: 359941 United Kingdom 02/06/2008 01:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Inhaling less than 1 millionth of a gram can cause cancer, 5 millionths of a gram, almost certain cancer! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 203352If only just one breaks up, 2.7 grams, over a populated area, this is like 3 million lethal doses of Plutonium in the air. Wha?!! ...and there are 'several' of them on board?!! How many 'several' - does anyone know? I'm not liking this news very much! Everything is permitted.. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 203360 United States 02/06/2008 01:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What are they trying to say here? This is extremely cryptic! "The satellite is not nuclear-powered..." For it's main power, this is true, but what about for heating power? "..although some spacecraft do carry tiny plutonium-powered heaters, but these would not pose a debris hazard." "some spacecraft" This one, or others?!!!! "would not pose a debris hazard..." As in from the weight of it...But would it pose a HEALTH hazard?!!! We need futher clarification on this pronto! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 203360 United States 02/06/2008 01:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The satellite is not nuclear-powered so there should be no risk from radioactive materials, although some spacecraft do carry tiny plutonium-powered heaters, but these would not pose a debris hazard." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 203360What are they trying to say here? This is extremely cryptic! "The satellite is not nuclear-powered..." For it's main power, this is true, but what about for heating power? "..although some spacecraft do carry tiny plutonium-powered heaters, but these would not pose a debris hazard." "some spacecraft" This one, or others?!!!! "would not pose a debris hazard..." As in from the weight of it...But would it pose a HEALTH hazard?!!! We need futher clarification on this pronto! The article in question has grammatical errors also and I question the integrity of it...need more checking... will try to do... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 170917 United States 02/06/2008 01:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pretty much anywhere, continentally, if you look at this map showing longitude and latitude: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 227611[link to images.google.com] I had asked the same thing by this map it is virtually anywere from Northern Canada south to the tip of South America. between the +60 N and the -60 S and anywhere inbetween east or west so by those numbers, would include most of the earth |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 203360 United States 02/06/2008 01:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The debris could impact anywhere between 58.5 deg. N. and S. Lat. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86424************************************************** I believe... That would mean it's flying over the equator abnd debris will fall 58.5 Degrees on either side of the equator. Stan P. NO, what it means is that its nearly in polar orbit going over from a point 58.5 north to 58.5 south further along the longitude, and then the reverse. |