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The Supreme Court has issued 2 Contradictory rulings
and must be challenged.On the one hand they said Biden can't force mandates on companies and they turn around and force mandates on health workers.This violates equal protection under the law.We all need to demand that the second ruling on health facilities accepting medicare and medicaid be thrown out.
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It tells me that they feel like they need to release a worse virus in order to pound the public into submission. The SC would be ruling in favor of Biden's mandate, if they thought they could get away with it. They need to do some more "convincing" first..
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I thought that too but I think the key here is Medicare and Medicaid
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All the hospitals need to stop accepting medicaid and medicare patients

They'll have to build tent hospitals with army help

It'll overturn after a few weeks
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It tells me that they feel like they need to release a worse virus in order to pound the public into submission. The SC would be ruling in favor of Biden's mandate, if they thought they could get away with it. They need to do some more "convincing" first..
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“FDA must ensure that recipients of the vaccine under an EUA are informed… of the known and potential benefits (sic) and risks, the extent to which the benefits and risks are unknown, that they have the option to accept or refuse the vaccine, and of any available alternatives…”

“21 U.S.C. § 360bbb-3(e)(1)(A)(ii) Appropriate conditions designed to ensure that individuals to whom the product is administered are informed— that the Secretary has authorized the emergency use of the product; of the significant known and potential benefits and risks of such use, and of the extent to which such benefits and risks are unknown; and of the option to accept or refuse administration of the product, of the consequences, if any, of refusing administration of the product, and of the alternatives to the product that are available and of their benefits and risks.”
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It tells me that they feel like they need to release a worse virus in order to pound the public into submission. The SC would be ruling in favor of Biden's mandate, if they thought they could get away with it. They need to do some more "convincing" first..
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bump
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Medicare, SS is not the pussy ass governments money. We the people put that money in there.
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OP is correct, sir
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Forcing it on health workers will put an enormous strain on the health care facilities as many workers will walk. Many facilities from what I have been hearing are now walking back mandates for their employees so as to retain as many people as they can.



and must be challenged.On the one hand they said Biden can't force mandates on companies and they turn around and force mandates on health workers.This violates equal protection under the law.We all need to demand that the second ruling on health facilities accepting medicare and medicaid be thrown out.
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I thought that too but I think the key here is Medicare and Medicaid
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I have been a medicare agent for over 15 years.I worked for CVS the last 4.I was a top producer.They told me i needed the jab so I applied for religious exemption and got it after waiting almost 2 months.Then my asshole manager started harrassing me about being tested twice weekly and i was still working from home.I told him i didnt trust that either and he kept harrassing so I resigned under durress and hostile work environment.CVS wouldnt be in business without there medicare and medicaid payments which are in the billions.Although i enjoyed helping my clients recieve great benefits i do not know if i can continue in that field.The whole thing is corrupted.
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They ruled against the OSHA mandate because OSHA did not have the authority to impose the mandate. And that makes sense.

They ruled for the Healthcare worker mandate for any institution that takes Medicare or Medicaid payment. And, like it or not, that makes sense too. The government supplies the money but there are strings attached.
Now what we need to do is make people understand that when the government gets involved they impose strings and this is why you want a limited, small government.

Pray for all Healthcare workers.
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you must understand - all healthcare is now obummercare

run by the gov
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They ruled against the OSHA mandate because OSHA did not have the authority to impose the mandate. And that makes sense.

They ruled for the Healthcare worker mandate for any institution that takes Medicare or Medicaid payment. And, like it or not, that makes sense too. The government supplies the money but there are strings attached.
Now what we need to do is make people understand that when the government gets involved they impose strings and this is why you want a limited, small government.

Pray for all Healthcare workers.
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So if they said you had to convert your religion to accept the money you would agree?

Or that you must change your gender to accept the money that would be fine too?

You really need to review your understanding of both natural law and morality (or God's law) and the constitution better. None would agree with you.
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They did the right thing according to the law. Health and Human Services has expanded restrictions they were calling and those were upheld.

OSHA could not go that far with its current language. See that to be changing soon and a even larger mandate on the way....
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I work for a clinic that operates mainly on Medicaid and Medicare and I can promise you if my company tries to make us get vaccinated the clinic will be closed in a month.
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I thought that too but I think the key here is Medicare and Medicaid
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Then we shouldn't be forced to pay into it
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I thought that too but I think the key here is Medicare and Medicaid
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Then we shouldn't be forced to pay into it
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It is broke like the rest of the country.Likely will be bankrupt before end of the year.It's all been planned since 1965.bump
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The case they were ruling on was a commerce case not a personal case against the vaccine mandate. Commerce between the Federal gov and the private and states' rights to mandate if legal in their states most mandates in states are illegal by the Bill of Rights under the constitution which cannot be infringed. They have to bring cases using both the constitutional law and Bill of Rights to get these thrown out along with them doing law to infringe on people's rights not to be used as experimental test subjects to a drug that has not been approved for regular use. You cannot force a person to take medicines against their will, and this has never changed, it is not as if the gov owns our bodies you know, if they force anyone to take a shot or lose their livelihood, they are nothing but an illegal government entity.

There are commerce clauses that are different than personal rights. This is what this Supreme court just rules on. If your hospital is not funded by the Federal Government you don't have to take the vaccine.
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It is kind of grey area whether they made the right legal decision on that second case.

But, it is a different thing than the OSHA mandates. They are tying requirements to taking federal money. Understand that they will now expand this greatly. State departments of transportation can be forced to vaccinate employees if they take federal money for road maintenance. Obviously all of the federal employee and contractor mandates are still valid with this ruling also.

They will expand it and some states will fight back and some won't (guess which is which). What we need to do, though, is start working on creating and supporting doctors offices, hospitals, etc. that do not take federal money. Build a new system, completely, that is not intertwined with federal money.
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Clueless fucks..

The most supreme Court in the land.. bite me
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Good luck getting any traction with this thread because the Cambridge Analytica Qtard Shills are too busy with their circle jerk party trying to spin this as a win still

GLP is proof that stupidity is contagious and that we are all doomed

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They did the right thing according to the law. Health and Human Services has expanded restrictions they were calling and those were upheld.

OSHA could not go that far with its current language. See that to be changing soon and a even larger mandate on the way....
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Not until Congress expands OSHA scope and authority by law.
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I thought that too but I think the key here is Medicare and Medicaid
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That’s the key

Smaller and medium practices can just stop accepting Medicare and Medicaid

Just accept private insurance or cash payments

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and must be challenged.On the one hand they said Biden can't force mandates on companies and they turn around and force mandates on health workers.This violates equal protection under the law.We all need to demand that the second ruling on health facilities accepting medicare and medicaid be thrown out.
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Quite so.
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Yeah this is worse now than it was before the rulings.
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you might want to read this

"But when you signed up voluntarily it wasn't slavery, was it? You liked the money. Guess what?

The person with the checkbook calls the tune.

Yeah, the decision sucks if you're dependent on CMS. And who is? Most providers. Why? Because all of us have let the medical monopolists pull this **** for more than thirty years, we sat back and destroyed the capacity for physicians and others to make decisions on their own without the "one true checkbook" making the call and now you're getting it in the ass."
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Yeah this is worse now than it was before the rulings.
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hesright
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and must be challenged.On the one hand they said Biden can't force mandates on companies and they turn around and force mandates on health workers.This violates equal protection under the law.We all need to demand that the second ruling on health facilities accepting medicare and medicaid be thrown out.
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One ruling says OSHA cannot regulate so broadly.
The other ruling says HHS can regulate medicare and medicaid providers.

Both are common sense rulings. And if Biden had kept the overall vax mandate with HHS where Trump was pushing his overall program, it probably would have been approved too.

OSHA is the wrong agency, good for us. It's supposed to regulate workplace hazards, not health protection.
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you might want to read this

"But when you signed up voluntarily it wasn't slavery, was it? You liked the money. Guess what?

The person with the checkbook calls the tune.

Yeah, the decision sucks if you're dependent on CMS. And who is? Most providers. Why? Because all of us have let the medical monopolists pull this **** for more than thirty years, we sat back and destroyed the capacity for physicians and others to make decisions on their own without the "one true checkbook" making the call and now you're getting it in the ass."
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I'm hoping this ruling spurs many physicians to organize outside of the CMS infrastructure and just not accept medicare and medicaid patients. It will create a two-tier healthcare system, but that's better than forcing everyone into the worst tier -- which is what Obama wanted from the beginning.
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and must be challenged.On the one hand they said Biden can't force mandates on companies and they turn around and force mandates on health workers.This violates equal protection under the law.We all need to demand that the second ruling on health facilities accepting medicare and medicaid be thrown out.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79250513


One ruling says OSHA cannot regulate so broadly.
The other ruling says HHS can regulate medicare and medicaid providers.

Both are common sense rulings. And if Biden had kept the overall vax mandate with HHS where Trump was pushing his overall program, it probably would have been approved too.

OSHA is the wrong agency, good for us. It's supposed to regulate workplace hazards, not health protection.
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Mandating an experimental vax as a condition of employment isn't a workplace hazard?

bert-facepalm
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what the SCOTUS did yesterday is a 3/4 lose for the Americans, it was pure charade of a decision

they decided like the Government can not enact the mandates, but private businesses can still do it, so if you're living in Liberal ruled areas, you're fucked

another point is, that hospitals that get the MEDICARE AND MEDICAID aid, means the Government is refunding 70% of their operating and servicing costs, will also have to mandate it per the SCOTUS ruling, so in essence

the plan is this, on the long run, they'll seek to destroy the small and medium businesses in order then for the Government to have the chance to bail them out, thus if they'll want the money that will save them from bankruptcy, you'll get the funds, but you'll need to take the jabs same as those above mentioned hospitals and the people working in them

it's basically a tool to destroy the Capitalism and usher in Communism, in the end, the agenda is to NATIONALIZE these businesses and operations, with one word, CORPORATIZATION (The result of corporatization is the creation of state-owned corporations (or corporations at other government levels, such as municipally owned corporations) of everything you know and in order to work, do businesses with them, you'll have to take the jabs, see how this works...the plebs always get fucked heh





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