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FreeFlow (OP) User ID: 51202 ![]() 02/07/2008 08:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The answer is yes, there are two: Israel and the United States of America. In recent years, Israel has bombed and invaded Lebanon, bombed Syria, and placed the Palestinian Territories under a pitiless and ruthless blockade/occupation/quarantine/assault. During the same time frame the United States of America has militarily invaded and occupied Iraq and Afghanistan, and American forces remain in both countries at present, continuing to carry out aggressive military operations. Simultaneous with these Israeli and American war crimes against countries in the region, both Israel and the United States have made many thinly veiled threats of war against Iran, and the United States openly seeks to increase its military presence in Pakistan's so-called “tribal areas”.(15) Israel and the United States both have a technically sophisticated military operations capability. Moreover, the United States Navy has a documented history of carrying out espionage activities on the sea floor. The U.S. Navy has long had special operations teams that can go out on submarines and deploy undersea, on the seabed itself, specifically for this sort of operation. This has all been thoroughly documented in the excellent book, Blind Man's Bluff: The Untold Story of American Submarine Espionage, by Sherry Sontag and Christopher Drew (New York: Public Affairs, 1998). The classic example is Operation Ivy Bells, which took place during the Cold War, in the waters off the Soviet Union. In a joint, U.S. Navy-NSA operation, U.S. Navy divers repeatedly tapped an underwater cable in the Kuril Islands, by swimming out undersea, to and from U.S. Navy submarines.(14) This sort of activity is like something straight out of a spy novel thriller, but the U.S. Navy really does have special submarines and deep diving, special operations personnel who specialize in precisely this sort of operation. So cutting undersea cables is well within the operational capabilities of the United States Navy. Couple this little known, but very important fact, with the reality that for years now we have seen more and more ham-handed interference with the global communications grid by the American alphabet soup agencies (NSA, CIA, FBI, HoSec) and major telecommunication companies. Would the telecommunication companies and the American military and alphabet soup agencies collude on an operation that had as its aim to sabotage the communications network across a wide region of the planet? Would they perhaps collude with Israeli military and intelligence agencies to do this? The honest answer has to be: sure, maybe so. The hard reality is that we are now living in a world of irrational and violent policies enacted against the civilian population by multinational corporations, and military and espionage agencies the world over. We see the evidence for this on every hand. Only the most myopic among us remain oblivious to that reality. In light of the American Navy's demonstrated sea-floor capabilities and espionage activities, the heavy American Navy presence in the region, the many, thinly veiled threats against Iran by both the Americans and the Israelis, and their repeated, illegal, military aggression against other nations in the region, suspicion quite naturally falls on both Israel and the United States of America. It may be that this is what the beginning of a war against Iran looks like, or perhaps it is part of a more general, larger assault against Muslim and/or Arab interests across a very wide region. Whatever the case, this is no small operation, seeing as the cables that have been cut are among the largest communication pipes in the region, and clearly represent major strategic targets. Very clearly, we are not looking at business as usual. On the contrary, it is obvious that we are looking at distinctly unusual business. The explanations being put forth in the mainstream news media for these many cut, undersea communications cables absolutely do not pass the smell test. And by the way, the same operators who cut undersea cables in the Persian Gulf, Mediterranean Sea, Malaysia and possibly the Suez as well, presumably can also cut underwater cables in the Gulf of Mexico, the Great Lakes, the Chesapeake Bay and Puget Sound. This could be a multipurpose operation, in part a test run for isolating a country or region from the international communications grid. The Middle East today, the USA tomorrow? What's that you say? I don't understand how the world works? That kind of thing can't happen here? In any event, if the cables have been intentionally cut, then that is an aggressive act of war. I'm sure everyone in the region has gotten that message. I'm looking at the same telegram as they are, and I know that it's clear as a “bell” to me.(14) It is little known by the American people, but nevertheless true, that Iran intends to open its own Oil Bourse this month (February 2008) that will trade in “non-dollar currencies”.(16) This has massive geo-political-economic implications for the United States and the American economy, since the American dollar is at present still (if not for much longer) the dominant reserve currency internationally, particularly for petroleum transactions. However, due to the mind-boggling scale of the structural weaknesses in the American economy, which have been well discussed in the financial press in recent weeks and months, the American dollar is increasingly shunned by corporate, banking and governmental actors the world over. No one wants to be stuck with vaults full of rapidly depreciating dollars as the American economy hurtles towards the basement. And so an operational Iranian Oil Bourse, actively trading supertankers full of petroleum in non-dollar currencies, poses a great threat to the American dollar's continued dominance as the international reserve currency. The American fear and unease of this development can only be increased by the knowledge that, “Oil-rich Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) member states Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the UAE have set 2010 as the target date for adopting a monetary union and single currency.”(2) The American government's fear must have ratcheted up another notch when Kuwait “dropped its dollar peg” in May “and adopted a basket of currencies”, arousing “speculation that the UAE and Qatar would follow suit or revalue their currencies.”(2) Although all the GCC members, with the exception of Kuwait, agreed at their annual meeting in December 2007 to continue to peg their currencies to the American dollar,(2) the hand writing is surely on the wall. As the dollar plummets, their American currency holdings will be worth less and less. At some point, they will likely decide to cut their losses and decouple the value of their currencies from that of the dollar. That point may be in 2010, when they establish the new GCC currency, maybe even sooner than that. If Iran succeeds in opening its own Oil Bourse it is hard to imagine that the GCC would not trade on the Iranian Oil Bourse, given the extremely close geographic proximity. And it is hard to believe that they would not trade their own oil in their own currency. Otherwise, why have a currency of their own? Clearly they intend to use it. And just as clearly, the three cut or damaged undersea communications cables in the Persian Gulf over the last week deliver a clear message. The United States may be a senescent dinosaur, and it is, but it is also a violent, heavily armed, very angry senescent dinosaur. In the end, it will do what all aged dinosaurs do: perish. But not before it first does a great deal of wild roaring and violent lashing and thrashing about. There can be no doubt that Iran, and the other Gulf States, were intended recipients of this rather pointed cable cutting telegram, for all of the reasons mentioned here; and additionally, in the case of Iran, probably also as a waning for its perceived insults of Israel and dogged pursuit of its nuclear program in contravention of NeoCon-Zionist dogma that Iran may not have a nuclear program, though other nations in the region, Pakistan and Israel, do. I must mention that one of my e-mail correspondents has pointed out that another possibility is that once the cables are cut, special operations divers could hypothetically come in and attach surveillance devices to the cables without being detected, because the cables are inoperable until they are repaired and start functioning again. In this way, other interests who wanted to spy on Middle Eastern communications, let's say on banking and trading data going to and from the Iranian Oil Bourse, or other nations in the Middle East, could tap into the communications network under cover of an unexplained cable “break”. Who knows? -- this idea may have merit. It is noteworthy that two of the cables that were cut lie off the Egyptian Mediterranean coast, and another passes through the Suez. During the height of the disruption, some 70 percent of the Egyptian Internet was down. (13) This is a heavy blow in a day when everything from airlines, to banks, to universities, to newspapers, to hospitals, to telephone and shipping companies, and much more, uses the Internet. So Egypt was hit very hard. An astute observer who carefully reads the international press could not fail to notice that in recent days there has been a report in the Egyptian press that “Egypt rejected an Israeli-American proposal to resettle 800,000 Palestinians in Sinai.” This has evidently greatly upset the Zionist-NeoCon power block holding sway in Tel Aviv and Washington, DC with the result that Israel has reportedly threatened to have American aid to Egypt reduced if Egypt does not consent to the resettlement of the Palestinians in Egyptian territory.(17) This NeoCon-Zionist tantrum comes hard on the heels of the Israeli desire to cut ties with Gaza, as a consequence of the massive breach of the Gaza-Egypt border by hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in January 2008. (18) I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ... |
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Divinity User ID: 367835 ![]() 02/07/2008 08:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nice work, Free Flow. ![]() "Aether is a Quantum 2 Spin Rotating Magnetic Field that encapsulates Primary Angular Momentum and via Tensegrity forms Matter with resulting Quantum 1/2 spin. "PHI is the direct result and first Ratio produced by this arrangement as it Cycles." Junglelord, www.thunderbolts.info Here comes the Golden Age. "Thought being a given is the first assertion of self-awareness; the remaining truth is simply "I am, therefore there is". Self and other, subject and object." Eyeam "Remember me as I AM." My Brother |
Grizzled Old Goat User ID: 369521 ![]() 02/07/2008 08:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The answer is yes, there are two: Israel and the United States of America. Quoting: FreeFlowIn recent years, Israel has bombed and invaded Lebanon, bombed Syria, and placed the Palestinian Territories under a pitiless and ruthless blockade/occupation/quarantine/assault. And the 'muslim countries' they are supposed to be so biased against have coordinated, armed and paid for an ongoing armed attack against Israel, IED attacks and insurgencies US troops in Iraq, stirred shit in vulnerable Pakistan - and so on.. How about a little balance in your threads for once? ![]() |
FreeFlow (OP) User ID: 51202 ![]() 02/07/2008 09:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | great post FreeFlow.. Quoting: Blimped 360104but you know which "stage actor" I see as the culprit.. "Mother Earth" EE Theory Don't say you mean the expanding earth BS, sorry but then everything should crack not just internet undersea cables on certain locations. No offense intended, just saying .. Nice work, Free Flow. Quoting: Divinity![]() Hey Div, but no not my own work - lol. I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ... |
Grizzled Old Goat User ID: 369521 ![]() 02/07/2008 09:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | great post FreeFlow.. Quoting: FreeFlowbut you know which "stage actor" I see as the culprit.. "Mother Earth" EE Theory Don't say you mean the expanding earth BS, sorry but then everything should crack not just internet undersea cables on certain locations. No offense intended, just saying .. ![]() ...just saying, "if you're not blaming the US and Israel, I'm not interested in listening"... |
G. House User ID: 369531 ![]() 02/07/2008 09:14 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | FreeFlow you are really missing some important points and ignoring FACTS! Who or what has the most to gain? Who or what has a verifiable history of denial of "information" or censoring it's populations? Radical fundamentalist Islamists is the answer. Now knowing this, for you and others to catagoricaly accuse the US or Israel of this is beyond the pale. "Everybody lies." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 369539 ![]() 02/07/2008 09:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | FreeFlow you are really missing some important points and ignoring FACTS! Quoting: G. HouseWho or what has the most to gain? Who or what has a verifiable history of denial of "information" or censoring it's populations? Radical fundamentalist Islamists is the answer. Now knowing this, for you and others to catagoricaly accuse the US or Israel of this is beyond the pale. Who has the most to gain? The warmongers. Those afraid of the truth. Those in power who feel their power slipping away and need to create chaos. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 220210 ![]() 02/07/2008 09:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Iranian. Oil. Bourse. [link to en.wikipedia.org] Hmmm...lets see. Iran holds the world's second largest reserve of natural gas and the third largest reserve of oil. Who stands to lose from the opening of an Iranian commodity exchange that is not based on the USD? Who would want to delay it's opening? What's all this talk about a mystery? |
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FF (OP) User ID: 51202 ![]() 02/07/2008 09:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ............ Quoting: Anonymous Coward 220210What's all this talk about a mystery? Yes of course you mentioned the main reason to cut their cables, they tried to go to war with Iran and as they see war is quite opposed this time by the world community they had to find something to severely hinder their internet trades. |
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tachik0ma User ID: 334956 ![]() 02/07/2008 06:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | FreeFlow you are really missing some important points and ignoring FACTS! Quoting: G. HouseWho or what has the most to gain? Who or what has a verifiable history of denial of "information" or censoring it's populations? Radical fundamentalist Islamists is the answer. Now knowing this, for you and others to catagoricaly accuse the US or Israel of this is beyond the pale. That would be counterproductive as you don´t have to cut cables to restict access to information you just have to use network devices dedicated to that task and it has the avantage of still allowing "needed" traffic, business, banking, transactions , communications... Whereas by cutting a cable you indiscriminatelly stop everything. Google "the great firewall of china" |
tachik0ma User ID: 334956 ![]() 02/07/2008 06:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We shouldn´t worry too much about this specific one but expect some more of the same int he future but bigger and with discernable objectives. |
Dervish User ID: 354488 ![]() 02/07/2008 06:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | FreeFlow you are really missing some important points and ignoring FACTS! Quoting: G. HouseWho or what has the most to gain? Who or what has a verifiable history of denial of "information" or censoring it's populations? Radical fundamentalist Islamists is the answer. Now knowing this, for you and others to catagoricaly accuse the US or Israel of this is beyond the pale. Yep-- Hamas submarines operating with impunity in the med and gulf did it. Not Israeli nuke capable Dolphin class subs already operating in the med and gulf- Or the USN which has the largest Naval presence of anyone on the planet in those two ponds. Somehow those pesky Islamofascists have gotten a hold of experienced divers and stealthy subs and did this dastardly deed so people can't download porn in the middle east. Soon, when they come here to take away our freedoms and prosperity, they will ban your porn download and maybe get anti sat weapons so you can't watch the Playboy channel or Spice on satelitte tv. How can people not see the obvious connection. Thanks for setting us straight G. H. I know enough to know that I know nothing |
tachik0ma User ID: 334956 ![]() 02/07/2008 07:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | FreeFlow you are really missing some important points and ignoring FACTS! Quoting: DervishWho or what has the most to gain? Who or what has a verifiable history of denial of "information" or censoring it's populations? Radical fundamentalist Islamists is the answer. Now knowing this, for you and others to catagoricaly accuse the US or Israel of this is beyond the pale. Yep-- Hamas submarines operating with impunity in the med and gulf did it. Not Israeli nuke capable Dolphin class subs already operating in the med and gulf- Or the USN which has the largest Naval presence of anyone on the planet in those two ponds. Somehow those pesky Islamofascists have gotten a hold of experienced divers and stealthy subs and did this dastardly deed so people can't download porn in the middle east. Soon, when they come here to take away our freedoms and prosperity, they will ban your porn download and maybe get anti sat weapons so you can't watch the Playboy channel or Spice on satelitte tv. How can people not see the obvious connection. Thanks for setting us straight G. H. I think hezbollah with their nuclear subs are most probably responsible for it, they are just trying to make israel look bad. |
tachik0ma User ID: 334956 ![]() 02/07/2008 07:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | FreeFlow you are really missing some important points and ignoring FACTS! Quoting: DervishWho or what has the most to gain? Who or what has a verifiable history of denial of "information" or censoring it's populations? Radical fundamentalist Islamists is the answer. Now knowing this, for you and others to catagoricaly accuse the US or Israel of this is beyond the pale. Yep-- Hamas submarines operating with impunity in the med and gulf did it. Not Israeli nuke capable Dolphin class subs already operating in the med and gulf- Or the USN which has the largest Naval presence of anyone on the planet in those two ponds. Somehow those pesky Islamofascists have gotten a hold of experienced divers and stealthy subs and did this dastardly deed so people can't download porn in the middle east. Soon, when they come here to take away our freedoms and prosperity, they will ban your porn download and maybe get anti sat weapons so you can't watch the Playboy channel or Spice on satelitte tv. How can people not see the obvious connection. Thanks for setting us straight G. H. I think hezbollah with their nuclear subs are most probably responsible for it, they are just trying to make israel look bad. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 368615 ![]() 02/07/2008 07:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Didn't Iran just pick up a few subs from China? They are the ones who stand to gain the most from this. USA and Israel will gain nothing so FF is flawed in his/her antiamerikan thinking but Iran can cut off their people from what they don't want them to see along with the rest of the Muslin world. While at the same time blaming amerika and Israel. ![]() I thing I figured it out for those of you who are hell bent on blaming the USA first |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 368615 ![]() 02/07/2008 07:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can you dispute the article instead of bringing up the general hollow whining that we're always against the poor US and Israel? Quoting: FreeFlowBut the article proves nothing It's the same old same old blame amerika it's getting old can we have proof does anyone even know the meaning of proof any more? apparently not it's too easy for the sheeple to swallow "the usa and Israel did it" koolaid gulp gulp ff hope it's that sugar free stuff if not you must be fat. |
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Isaac Brock died for us User ID: 337597 ![]() 02/07/2008 07:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The market is especially volatile now, with Saudia not lowering their interest rates to follow the dollar down. The opportunities to make hue profits or losses are highest when things get volatile... so a slowdown in Internet traffic locks people in just twhen they may be wanting to move their assets. Who gains?.. Only their accountants know for sure. Meanwhile the Iranian Oil Bourse is delayed again due to the Cable cutting. owner of an extensive collection of curios from the exotic orient |
Isaac Brock died for us User ID: 337597 ![]() 02/07/2008 07:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's a link to a Gulf Times article about the Gulf States abandoning the dollar. [link to www.gulf-times.com] So if Internet is down all over the MidEast, how come it is so easy to access the Gulf Times? owner of an extensive collection of curios from the exotic orient |
Isaac Brock died for us User ID: 337597 ![]() 02/07/2008 07:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Iran Daily comes up no problem too. [link to www.iran-daily.com] owner of an extensive collection of curios from the exotic orient |
FF (OP) User ID: 51202 ![]() 02/07/2008 08:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ........... Quoting: Isaac Brock died for usMeanwhile the Iranian Oil Bourse is delayed again due to the Cable cutting. IB, do you have a link for that? That means they reached their goal for awhile at least, until they are ready for the war against Iran - they hope at least ... |
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