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if God wanted us to keep the Torah

 
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if God wanted us to keep the Torah
Then he really messed up by allowing the temple to be destroyed forcing Torah to be broken.

He also would have caused his people to sin by sending them to Babylon for 70 years forcing them to break and abondon Torah.

613 laws you can't ever keep.

Just sayin.
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Then he really messed up by allowing the temple to be destroyed forcing Torah to be broken.

He also would have caused his people to sin by sending them to Babylon for 70 years forcing them to break and abandon Torah.

613 laws you can't ever keep.

Just sayin.
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IT is understood some of the commandments can not be kept at the moment and there are many work around in rabbinical law allowing what can be done in their place, prayers for example are accepted in the place of sacrifices until the time the temple will be rebuilt.

In extreme circumstance Hashem allows you to kill yourself for the sake of heaven if you know your going to an environment where you will be forced to sin, and there where many who did so.

you really shouldn't worry about it since there is a very good chance next year Messia will appear, and when he does those who were not righteous will simply burn in his presence.
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Re: if God wanted us to keep the Torah
It's the 'fences' that make most of them impossible to keep, and which coincidentally made those who erected them very powerful and often also rich.
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Re: if God wanted us to keep the Torah
You can always bribe your local rabb1s, if it is a questionable Moral law that was broken.
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Re: if God wanted us to keep the Torah
Hey whatcha doin' Rabbi?
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False. You don't need a temple to love God and your neighbor. You don't need a temple to keep the sabbath. You don't need a temple to not eat pork............
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Re: if God wanted us to keep the Torah
YOU are the temple.

And the Torah is more than just laws to keep.
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First off...

1/3 are for the Kohaine...

1/3 are for the actual Temple...

and the other 1/3 may or may not apply.

You simply keep all that apply to you.

Also, the word Torah means Instruction or Instruction in Righteousness and commonly referred to as Moshe, or the First 5 Books of the "Bible".

Do Righteousness and Right Ruling with love, mercy, and truth and you will be keeping the WEIGHTIER matters of the Torah.

The Golden Rule would also keep you doing the WEIGHTIER matters of the Torah.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you...

Love your neighbor as yourself...

Shabbat Shalom...

Eliyah

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Re: if God wanted us to keep the Torah
Civil

Religious

And moral


Civil are defunt

Moral are long lasting

Temple/religious are impossible to keep.


Not all moral law is permanent either. It's always immoral to harm others wrongly but there was a time it was moral to marry your cousin. Lol

In like manner, in Torah a kinsmen redeamer would do the moral thing to take in a relative's bride, this could lead to an old man, taking in his younger deceased bother's wife to raise up an heir. In our day and age this would be looked at as immoral in most places.

So the "law" is concerned with what is honorable Nd good at that time, but as we see that can change in many ways.
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Re: if God wanted us to keep the Torah
Then he really messed up by allowing the temple to be destroyed forcing Torah to be broken.

He also would have caused his people to sin by sending them to Babylon for 70 years forcing them to break and abondon Torah.

613 laws you can't ever keep.

Just sayin.
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Love fulfills the law. You can still have parties on the 7 holy days though. The people are the temple so have a Jesus Christ party.

John 7: 37In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 38He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
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Re: if God wanted us to keep the Torah
You had blasphemies against Almighty God and frivolously used Almighty God holy name in vain!.

Are you really that stupid?, for Torah is not the whole of the law, and it is just a scroll!.

You do not even have a Torah Or!, for there is no light in your Torah!.

But then again J..s are stupid soulless beasts of the earth with up to seven batshit crazy unclean spirits partying inside anyway!.

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TEN COMMITMENTS
You shall know that you have taken the path to God, and you shall know that you have found God, for there will be these signs, these indications, these changes in you:

1. You shall love God with all your heart, all your mind, all your soul. And there shall be no other God set before Me. No longer will you worship human love, or success, money, or power, nor any symbol thereof. You will set aside these things as a child sets aside toys. Not because they are unworthy, but because you have outgrown them. And, you shall know you have taken the path to God because:

2. You shall not use the name of God in vain. Nor will you call upon Me for frivolous things. You will understand the power of words, and of thoughts, and you would not think of invoking the name of God in an unGodly manner. You shall not use My name in vain because you cannot. For My name—the Great “I Am”—is never used in vain (that is, without result), nor can it ever be. And when you have found God, you shall know this. And, I shall give you these other signs as well:

3. You shall remember to keep a day for Me, and you shall call it holy. This, so that you do not long stay in your illusion, but cause yourself to remember who and what you are. And then shall you soon call every day the Sabbath, and every moment holy.

[snip]

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Even though my search for You was sincere, my intent pure, and my understandings the best I could reach?

Even though. Yes, even though. In the minds of these people, I am a stringent parent who will accept nothing less than absolute correctness in your understandings of Who I Am.

If you are not correct in the understandings at which you have arrived, I will punish you. You can be as pure in your intent as possible; you can be so filled with love for Me that you overflow. I will cast you into the fires of hell nonetheless, and you will suffer there forever if you come to Me with the wrong name on your lips, the wrong ideas in your head.

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Jesus said to him, “Again, it has been written: ‘You shall not tempt the Lord your God.’” - Matthew 4:7


He that is not with me, is against me: and he that gathereth not with me, scattereth abroad.

For that reason, I say unto you [son of man], All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven [sons of] men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.

Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven in this world or in the future. - Lord Jesus in Matthew 12:30-32 Vulgate Bible
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Re: if God wanted us to keep the Torah
Jesus adds light to the Torah. That is why you need a Holy Bible so you get the Torah combined with the spiritual light of Jesus the Messiah of how it should be interpreted in spirit and truth.
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Re: if God wanted us to keep the Torah
Look to Rabbi Jesus Christ for your answers.
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Re: if God wanted us to keep the Torah
Religions are funny
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Religions are funny
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The whole animal kingdom is funny.

We may be the peak, made in God's image but still animals.

Just look at sleeping Tesla drivers for your proof.
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Jesus adds light to the Torah. That is why you need a Holy Bible so you get the Torah combined with the spiritual light of Jesus the Messiah of how it should be interpreted in spirit and truth.
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Said so simply and beautifully.
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Re: if God wanted us to keep the Torah
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Re: if God wanted us to keep the Torah
Then he really messed up by allowing the temple to be destroyed forcing Torah to be broken.

He also would have caused his people to sin by sending them to Babylon for 70 years forcing them to break and abondon Torah.

613 laws you can't ever keep.

Just sayin.
 Quoting: News 80971955


Matthew 19:16-17

King James Version

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Psalm 105:8-

King James Version

He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.

Psalm 33:11

King James Version

11 The counsel of the Lord standeth for ever, the thoughts of his heart to all generations.

Luke 16:17

King James Version

17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
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Re: if God wanted us to keep the Torah
Then he really messed up by allowing the temple to be destroyed forcing Torah to be broken.

He also would have caused his people to sin by sending them to Babylon for 70 years forcing them to break and abondon Torah.

613 laws you can't ever keep.

Just sayin.
 Quoting: News 80971955


Matthew 19:16-17

King James Version

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Psalm 105:8-

King James Version

He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.

Acts 15

19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”

Nothing Bout keeping Torah.

THE VEIL was torn. If God wanted to eat kept according to old law he wouldn't tear the veil AND being about the destruction of the temple.

So
Mathew
Mark
Luke
John
And Paul
All conspired to hide the truth and God allows the temple to be destroyed for 2000 years.

Or you believe the gospel, and God tore the veil and allowed the temple to be destroyed because we are the new temple.

One sounds reasonable, they other sounds like a conspiracy theory.

Either way, peace..

Psalm 33:11

King James Version

11 The counsel of the Lord standeth for ever, the thoughts of his heart to all generations.

Luke 16:17

King James Version

17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
 Quoting: Servant of Yahshua
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Acts 15

19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”

Nothing Bout keeping Torah.

THE VEIL was torn. If God wanted to eat kept according to old law he wouldn't tear the veil AND being about the destruction of the temple.

So
Mathew
Mark
Luke
John
And Paul
All conspired to hide the truth and God allows the temple to be destroyed for 2000 years.

Or you believe the gospel, and God tore the veil and allowed the temple to be destroyed because we are the new temple.

One sounds reasonable, they other sounds like a conspiracy theory.

Either way, peace..
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Re: if God wanted us to keep the Torah
1 John 3:3-6

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3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
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Acts 15

19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”

Nothing Bout keeping Torah.

THE VEIL was torn. If God wanted to eat kept according to old law he wouldn't tear the veil AND being about the destruction of the temple.

So
Mathew
Mark
Luke
John
And Paul
All conspired to hide the truth and God allows the temple to be destroyed for 2000 years.

Or you believe the gospel, and God tore the veil and allowed the temple to be destroyed because we are the new temple.

One sounds reasonable, they other sounds like a conspiracy theory.

Either way, peace..
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You are absolutely right and don't let any heretic sect created by the converso Jesuits tell you otherwise.
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Re: if God wanted us to keep the Torah
The Talmud is an invention of the Pharisee. The law was oral and lives on in the hearts of the true priests who are born and not made. 5a





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