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The Fact- New World Order Is A Made Up Fantasy By People Who Are Miserable In Life

 
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Ah, ye olde circular argument. Last line of defense for extremists and trolls.


no argument there, just me being correct, and exposing his contradictory tatics



You asked for a legitimate source, he gave you one, you ignore it by saying, by HIS logic it is not legitimate.

Sound pretty damn circular to me.


it isint legitimate, he claims the mainstream media is evil and misleading. and sites a article that was in the mainstream media

wtf

sounds like a double standard
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No, actually, it sounds like you avoiding a valid response. Why would that be, I wonder???
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US MARKETS

If you're still wondering what the current credit-crunch catastrophe is all about, you need look no further than the offices occupied by credit managers and loan underwriters at banks and lending institutions around the world. Each time one of these poor, unfortunate souls picks up a loan file, bullets of sweat start to run down their foreheads as their minds are filled with ominous foreboding and their hearts are gripped by a deadly mixture of bone-chilling horror and stark, raving terror, wondering whether this particular loan will be the one that ends their wavering career and the very handsome salaries and bonuses that they have become accustomed to receiving over the past several years during which defaults have been virtually nonexistent. What are they afraid of?

According to a recent article by Jim Willie, there are a total of some 10.4 trillion dollars worth of dollar-denominated bonds of which at least 7 trillion dollars worth are prime AAA and of which about 1.4 trillion dollars worth are subprime BBB, with the remainder being Alt-A's which are somewhere in between. He further states that according to the various bond indices, the prime bonds have lost about 30% of their value, amounting to a loss of about 2.1 trillion dollars, which Wall Street refuses to even discuss, while the subprime bonds have lost about 80% of their value, amounting to a loss of about 1.1 trillion dollars. And let's not forget the ALT-A's which are kicking in another cool trillion in losses and which the pirates of Wall Street are still dancing around much the same way that a bandito's victim would do a Mexican hat dance around a sombrero while bullets whistle and ricochet around his wildly moving feet. FINANCIAL ARMAGEDDON, BATMAN, THAT'S A MIND-BLOWING 4.2 TRILLION DOLLARS OF LOSSES!!!

Yes, you read that correctly, that's trillion with a "T" and this combined total is close to one third of the entire US Gross Domestic Product, which has just been 'flushed' in a matter of months!

These jaw-dropping losses on AAA, ALT-A and BBB paper are greater by a factor of ten than the grossly understated loss figures that the three stooges of our financial system, meaning our corrupt government, Wall Street and corporate America, would have us believe!

This unbelievable total of 4.2 trillion dollars of losses is spread around the globe, and due to our opaque and completely unregulated system of banking and finance, for which we can thank our farcical, fraudulent, feckless Fed, no-one knows where the freak any of these losses are or who the walking-dead victims are! This is like a financial nightmare adaptation of George Romero's horror classics "Night of the Living Dead" and "Dawn of the Dead".

And this does not even take into account the multiplication of these losses due to leverage or the further downgrading of AAA paper due to the loss of AAA status by bond insurers which is the only thing that made many of these bonds AAA in the first place! If you were a credit manager or a loan underwriter, would you approve a multi-million or multi-billion dollar loan to anyone for any reason unless you were absolutely 100% sure you would get repaid on time?

Every time you pick up a file, it's like playing Russian roulette with your career for crying out loud! And you were wondering why we have a credit crunch? We wonder why any loans get approved AT ALL! In fact, we're starting to feel some of that bone-chilling horror ourselves as we try to wrap our minds around the immensity of these problems.

What have these madmen done to the world economy?! If you are a credit manager or a loan underwriter, you're not looking at a 70 or 80 percent recovery if one of these zombies is on your approval list. You're looking at a big goose egg, a big ZIPPO, and we don't mean the kind you use to light cigarettes! This is where a bevy of security guards show up in your office and ask you to empty out your desk after which they quietly escort you out the front door to your car and insist that you leave the premises immediately.

And Heaven forbid that anyone should so much as whisper anything about the potential losses from credit default swaps and interest rate swaps lest they die of a huge myocardial infarction from merely discussing such losses, much less trying to comprehend them, because the magnitude and consequences of such losses are completely unprecedented and beyond the ken of mortal men!

We are told that there are 450 trillion dollars of notional bond debt covered by interest rate swaps, which is about thirty times US GDP. This is sheer madness. We are told in "studies" that the losses
should be limited to about 6%, or "only" 27 trillion dollars [WHICH 'JUST HAPPENS' TO BE THE WANTA FIGURE: Editor]. That alone is enough to send chills up and down your spine while your single heart palpitates. But aren't these the same people that told us the real estate markets were experiencing a slight downturn and that it would be contained?

And didn't they say the same thing about the credit crunch? What if they're wrong again this time?! What if it's 7%. That's "only" another 4.5 trillion dollars of losses! That's more than all the prime, Alt-A and subprime bond losses put together (at least so far)! What if it's 20%? That would be a 90 trillion dollar loss! That's 6 times GDP for Pete's sake!

And what about all the lunatics who bought crazy credit default swaps without buying any of the underlying bond debt. Don't they know that in order to make a claim under a credit default swap you have to turn the security over to the insurer, or you're dead in the water? And what happens when the amount of the swaps exceeds the debt that is supposed to be covered. Is everyone supposed to play musical chairs to see who is left standing without holding a bond to redeem?

Has anyone involved had so much as a single thought going through their heads while all this was happening? This credit default swap situation alone is pure unadulterated lunacy, but we have not even mentioned the interest rate swaps yet. There's another 600 trillion of notional principal wrapped up in these weapons of mass financial destruction.

That's forty times GDP in notional principal. Who was asleep at the wheel while these puppies multiplied? For every trillion of notional principal, all those who are on the wrong end of these thermonuclear devices by only a 1% differential between fixed and variable rates get to eat 10 billion in losses. When we get double digit inflation due to rampaging risk reassessment from imploding bonds and credit default swaps while the Fed attempts in vain to raise rates [SEE PREVIOUS REPORT: Editor] to stop hyper-stagflation as it reaches full bloom in its reign of terror, what if the differential between fixed and variable returns for those on the wrong end of these reserve-vaporizers rockets to 10%.

That is 100 billion per trillion of notional principal. Whew, we sure hope the big banks who own most of these reserve-destroying financial meat grinders don't have lopsided trading positions between fixed and variable rate swaps, but given what we've seen so far, we hold out little hope for a good conclusion. [Editor: That’s because Mr Chapmen never read up about Wantagate and The Wanta Plan: just shows what thought ‘compartmentalisation’ does, doesn’t it?].

Bank reserves are being eaten alive by loan defaults and asset write-downs faster than the Fed can replace them. That is because the fractional reserve system Ponzi scheme is now working in reverse and unravelling big-time. The Federal Reserve and Wall Street made a big blunder and grossly underestimated the percentage of loan defaults from toxic waste and the impact that this would have in non-subprime sectors while they grossly overestimated the liquidity of this kind of maniac paper and falsely boosted its credit rating.

And remember, the Fed cannot control the creation of credit by non-bank institutions, which are also getting hammered. The banks that dabbled in toxic waste must either borrow reserves from the Federal Reserve, or call in a total of demand loans equal to 7 or 8 times the amount of reserves
that have been lost, or they will become insolvent and have to be liquidated by the FDIC which in the end won't even be able to pay losses at pennies on the dollar while the entire financial system comes tumbling down unceremoniously.

That is why the discount window is wide open. If banks are forced to call in loans, the party is over. The whole system will implode and deflate. The banks can't even roll over the paper they used to fund mortgage loans and the government has had to step in with the FHLB and Fannie and Freddie to replace the lost loan capital. The Federal Reserve is fighting so many battles on so many fronts that their heads must spinning like Linda Blair's character in "The Exorcist".

While all this is happening, the over six hundred billion in home equity loans that fuelled consumer spending last year have been completely cut off. Two trillion dollars' worth of home value has been lost on account of declining home values as the US real estate market explodes and goes down in flames, and who knows how much in stock losses has been suffered since the end of 2007?

Does anyone have any money or equity left, we wonder? What will fuel consumer spending and stop the economy from going into a deep recession [ANSWER: CONSEQUENECS OF THE WANTA PLAN AND THE SETTLEMENTS: Editor]. The ISM services sector reading has already completely
collapsed while consumer confidence reported for the RBC Cash Index has plummeted to the lowest levels since the index was created in 2002.

What hope does our economy have when the 150 billion stimulus package is only one quarter of the home equity injections that will be lost for 2008 that helped keep us moving in 2007? We sit here stunned and comatose as the circuits in our brains are fried by these financial lightning bolts [Editor: And because we haven’t taken Wantagate on board]. This whole situation is going to turn into a disaster of epic proportions from which we may not recover for many, many years, if ever.
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OP clean your beerglasses, I think they're foggin' up . ..
You deserve at LEAST this . . !

US MARKETS

If you're still wondering what the current credit-crunch catastrophe is all about, you need look no further than the offices occupied by credit managers and loan underwriters at banks and lending institutions around the world. Each time one of these poor, unfortunate souls picks up a loan file, bullets of sweat start to run down their foreheads as their minds are filled with ominous foreboding and their hearts are gripped by a deadly mixture of bone-chilling horror and stark, raving terror, wondering whether this particular loan will be the one that ends their wavering career and the very handsome salaries and bonuses that they have become accustomed to receiving over the past several years during which defaults have been virtually nonexistent. What are they afraid of?

According to a recent article by Jim Willie, there are a total of some 10.4 trillion dollars worth of dollar-denominated bonds of which at least 7 trillion dollars worth are prime AAA and of which about 1.4 trillion dollars worth are subprime BBB, with the remainder being Alt-A's which are somewhere in between. He further states that according to the various bond indices, the prime bonds have lost about 30% of their value, amounting to a loss of about 2.1 trillion dollars, which Wall Street refuses to even discuss, while the subprime bonds have lost about 80% of their value, amounting to a loss of about 1.1 trillion dollars. And let's not forget the ALT-A's which are kicking in another cool trillion in losses and which the pirates of Wall Street are still dancing around much the same way that a bandito's victim would do a Mexican hat dance around a sombrero while bullets whistle and ricochet around his wildly moving feet. FINANCIAL ARMAGEDDON, BATMAN, THAT'S A MIND-BLOWING 4.2 TRILLION DOLLARS OF LOSSES!!!

Yes, you read that correctly, that's trillion with a "T" and this combined total is close to one third of the entire US Gross Domestic Product, which has just been 'flushed' in a matter of months!

These jaw-dropping losses on AAA, ALT-A and BBB paper are greater by a factor of ten than the grossly understated loss figures that the three stooges of our financial system, meaning our corrupt government, Wall Street and corporate America, would have us believe!

This unbelievable total of 4.2 trillion dollars of losses is spread around the globe, and due to our opaque and completely unregulated system of banking and finance, for which we can thank our farcical, fraudulent, feckless Fed, no-one knows where the freak any of these losses are or who the walking-dead victims are! This is like a financial nightmare adaptation of George Romero's horror classics "Night of the Living Dead" and "Dawn of the Dead".

And this does not even take into account the multiplication of these losses due to leverage or the further downgrading of AAA paper due to the loss of AAA status by bond insurers which is the only thing that made many of these bonds AAA in the first place! If you were a credit manager or a loan underwriter, would you approve a multi-million or multi-billion dollar loan to anyone for any reason unless you were absolutely 100% sure you would get repaid on time?

Every time you pick up a file, it's like playing Russian roulette with your career for crying out loud! And you were wondering why we have a credit crunch? We wonder why any loans get approved AT ALL! In fact, we're starting to feel some of that bone-chilling horror ourselves as we try to wrap our minds around the immensity of these problems.

What have these madmen done to the world economy?! If you are a credit manager or a loan underwriter, you're not looking at a 70 or 80 percent recovery if one of these zombies is on your approval list. You're looking at a big goose egg, a big ZIPPO, and we don't mean the kind you use to light cigarettes! This is where a bevy of security guards show up in your office and ask you to empty out your desk after which they quietly escort you out the front door to your car and insist that you leave the premises immediately.

And Heaven forbid that anyone should so much as whisper anything about the potential losses from credit default swaps and interest rate swaps lest they die of a huge myocardial infarction from merely discussing such losses, much less trying to comprehend them, because the magnitude and consequences of such losses are completely unprecedented and beyond the ken of mortal men!

We are told that there are 450 trillion dollars of notional bond debt covered by interest rate swaps, which is about thirty times US GDP. This is sheer madness. We are told in "studies" that the losses
should be limited to about 6%, or "only" 27 trillion dollars [WHICH 'JUST HAPPENS' TO BE THE WANTA FIGURE: Editor]. That alone is enough to send chills up and down your spine while your single heart palpitates. But aren't these the same people that told us the real estate markets were experiencing a slight downturn and that it would be contained?

And didn't they say the same thing about the credit crunch? What if they're wrong again this time?! What if it's 7%. That's "only" another 4.5 trillion dollars of losses! That's more than all the prime, Alt-A and subprime bond losses put together (at least so far)! What if it's 20%? That would be a 90 trillion dollar loss! That's 6 times GDP for Pete's sake!

And what about all the lunatics who bought crazy credit default swaps without buying any of the underlying bond debt. Don't they know that in order to make a claim under a credit default swap you have to turn the security over to the insurer, or you're dead in the water? And what happens when the amount of the swaps exceeds the debt that is supposed to be covered. Is everyone supposed to play musical chairs to see who is left standing without holding a bond to redeem?

Has anyone involved had so much as a single thought going through their heads while all this was happening? This credit default swap situation alone is pure unadulterated lunacy, but we have not even mentioned the interest rate swaps yet. There's another 600 trillion of notional principal wrapped up in these weapons of mass financial destruction.

That's forty times GDP in notional principal. Who was asleep at the wheel while these puppies multiplied? For every trillion of notional principal, all those who are on the wrong end of these thermonuclear devices by only a 1% differential between fixed and variable rates get to eat 10 billion in losses. When we get double digit inflation due to rampaging risk reassessment from imploding bonds and credit default swaps while the Fed attempts in vain to raise rates [SEE PREVIOUS REPORT: Editor] to stop hyper-stagflation as it reaches full bloom in its reign of terror, what if the differential between fixed and variable returns for those on the wrong end of these reserve-vaporizers rockets to 10%.

That is 100 billion per trillion of notional principal. Whew, we sure hope the big banks who own most of these reserve-destroying financial meat grinders don't have lopsided trading positions between fixed and variable rate swaps, but given what we've seen so far, we hold out little hope for a good conclusion. [Editor: That’s because Mr Chapmen never read up about Wantagate and The Wanta Plan: just shows what thought ‘compartmentalisation’ does, doesn’t it?].

Bank reserves are being eaten alive by loan defaults and asset write-downs faster than the Fed can replace them. That is because the fractional reserve system Ponzi scheme is now working in reverse and unravelling big-time. The Federal Reserve and Wall Street made a big blunder and grossly underestimated the percentage of loan defaults from toxic waste and the impact that this would have in non-subprime sectors while they grossly overestimated the liquidity of this kind of maniac paper and falsely boosted its credit rating.

And remember, the Fed cannot control the creation of credit by non-bank institutions, which are also getting hammered. The banks that dabbled in toxic waste must either borrow reserves from the Federal Reserve, or call in a total of demand loans equal to 7 or 8 times the amount of reserves
that have been lost, or they will become insolvent and have to be liquidated by the FDIC which in the end won't even be able to pay losses at pennies on the dollar while the entire financial system comes tumbling down unceremoniously.

That is why the discount window is wide open. If banks are forced to call in loans, the party is over. The whole system will implode and deflate. The banks can't even roll over the paper they used to fund mortgage loans and the government has had to step in with the FHLB and Fannie and Freddie to replace the lost loan capital. The Federal Reserve is fighting so many battles on so many fronts that their heads must spinning like Linda Blair's character in "The Exorcist".

While all this is happening, the over six hundred billion in home equity loans that fuelled consumer spending last year have been completely cut off. Two trillion dollars' worth of home value has been lost on account of declining home values as the US real estate market explodes and goes down in flames, and who knows how much in stock losses has been suffered since the end of 2007?

Does anyone have any money or equity left, we wonder? What will fuel consumer spending and stop the economy from going into a deep recession [ANSWER: CONSEQUENECS OF THE WANTA PLAN AND THE SETTLEMENTS: Editor]. The ISM services sector reading has already completely
collapsed while consumer confidence reported for the RBC Cash Index has plummeted to the lowest levels since the index was created in 2002.

What hope does our economy have when the 150 billion stimulus package is only one quarter of the home equity injections that will be lost for 2008 that helped keep us moving in 2007? We sit here stunned and comatose as the circuits in our brains are fried by these financial lightning bolts [Editor: And because we haven’t taken Wantagate on board]. This whole situation is going to turn into a disaster of epic proportions from which we may not recover for many, many years, if ever.
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^^^ economies have ups and downs

way to state the obvious....
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FOR TRUTH

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State of the Union Address
George Bush

29 January 1991

Mr. President and Mr. Speaker and Members of the United States Congress:

I come to this House of the people to speak to you and all Americans, certain that we stand at a defining hour. Halfway around the world, we are engaged in a great struggle in the skies and on the seas and sands. We know why we're there: We are Americans, part of something larger than ourselves. For two centuries, we've done the hard work of freedom. And tonight, we lead the world in facing down a threat to decency and humanity.

What is at stake is more than one small country; it is a big idea: a new world order, where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind -- peace and security, freedom, and the rule of law. Such is a world worthy of our struggle and worthy of our children's future. [link to www.thisnation.com]
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State of the Union Address
George Bush

29 January 1991

Mr. President and Mr. Speaker and Members of the United States Congress:

I come to this House of the people to speak to you and all Americans, certain that we stand at a defining hour. Halfway around the world, we are engaged in a great struggle in the skies and on the seas and sands. We know why we're there: We are Americans, part of something larger than ourselves. For two centuries, we've done the hard work of freedom. And tonight, we lead the world in facing down a threat to decency and humanity.

What is at stake is more than one small country; it is a big idea: a new world order, where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind -- peace and security, freedom, and the rule of law. Such is a world worthy of our struggle and worthy of our children's future. [link to www.thisnation.com]
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wow, that sounds so evil

hf
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because someone disagrees with you and tries to exposed your beliefs as fraud, they are working for the government

lol


You exposed nothing you moron, all you do is stick your fingers in your ears like a two year old.



oh, I have exposed the whole jig, with common sense and basic logic (something you lack)

5a

damn im good

but you can keep living in fear of false fantasies, it does not bother me any
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With your head in the sand, there's only one thing you're exposing - now how about some evidence to further your argument?

Here's something to chew on while we wait:

George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography --- by Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin

Chapter -XXIV- The New World Order

Roma caput mundi regit orbis frena rotundi

(Rome, the chief of the world, hold the reins of this round orb.)

Inscription on the imperial crown of Diocletian.

During late 1989 and 1990, George Bush traversed a decisive watershed in his political career and in his own personal mental life. Up until this transition, Bush had attempted to secure advancement through an attitude of deference and propitiation, currying favor with a series of politicians and power brokers whom he despised as his social inferiors, and whom he never hesitated to stab in the back once he got the chance to do so. This was the old duplicitious "have half" persona of his early childhood. During the long years of Bush's quest for the vice presidency, and during the eight long years of his tenure in that office, the public face of Bush was that of dog-like fidelity and Reaganite orthodoxy. During these years Bush exhibited the same relative cognitive impairment which he had exhibited since his Andover days. On the surface, he was a top-level bureaucratic functionary of the US police state, sharing the moral insanity of the policy commitments of the government apparatus which he represented.

Severe and debilitating mental strains had been evident in Bush's personality from his earliest years. Such tensions were an inevitable result of the inhuman self-discipline demanded by his mother, Dorothy Walker Bush, whose regimen combined the most ruthless pursuit of personal affirmation for its own sake, with the imperative that all this single-minded striving be dissembled behind the elaborate pose of fairness and concern for the rights of others. During 1989 and 1990, the tensions converging on Bush's personal psychological structures were greatly magnified not just by the Panama adventure and the Gulf war, but also by the crisis of the Anglo-American financial interests, by the threat posed to Anglo-American plans by German reunification, by the thorny problems of preparing his own re-election, and by the foundering of his condominium partners in the Kremlin. As a result of this surfeit of tensions, Bush's personality entered into a process of disintegration. The whining accents of the wimp, so familiar to Bush-watchers of years past, were now increasingly supplanted by the hiss of frenetic spleen.

The successor personality which emerged from this upheaval differed in several important respects from the George Bush who had sought and occupied the vice-presidency. The George Bush who emerged in late 1990 after the dust had settled was far less restrained than the man who had languished in Reagan's shadow. The hyperthyroid "presidential" persona of Bush was equipped with little self-control, and rather featured a series of compulsive, quasi-psychotic episodes exhibited in the public glare of the television lights. These were typically rage-induced outbursts of verbal abuse and threats made in the context of international crises, first against Noriega and later against Iraqi president Saddam Hussein.

Some might argue that the public rage fits that became increasingly frequent during 1989-90 were calculated and scripted performances, calibrated and staged according to the methods of mind war for the express purpose of intimidating foreign adversaries and, not least of all, the American population itself. Bush's apprenticeship with Kissinger would have taught him the techniques we have seen Kissinger employ in his secret communications with Moscow during the Indo-Pakistani war of 1970: Kissinger makes clear that an integral part of his crisis management style is the studied attempt to convince his adversary that the latter is dealing with a madman who will not shun any expedient, no matter how irrational, in order to prevail. But with the Bush of 1990 we are far beyond such calculating histrionics. There were still traces of method in George Bush's madness, but the central factor was now the madness itself.

The thesis of this chapter is that while it is clear that the Gulf war was a deliberate and calculated provocation by the Anglo-American oligarchical and financier elite, the mental instability and psychological disintegration of George Bush was an indispensable ingredient in implementing the actions which the oligarchs and bankers desired. Without a George Bush who was increasingly non compos mentis, the imperialist grand design for the destruction of the leading Arab state and the intimidation of the third world might have remained on the shelf. Especially since the Bay of Pigs and the Vietnam debacle, American presidents have seen excellent reasons to mistrust their advisers when the latter came bearing plans for military adventures overseas. The destruction of the once powerful Lyndon B. Johnson, in particular, has stood as an eloquent warning to his successors that a president who wants to have a political future must be very reticent before he attempts to write a new page in the martial exploits of imperialism. Eisenhower's repudiation of the Anglo-French Suez invasion of 1956 can serve to remind us that even a relatively weak US president may find reasons not to leap into the vanguard of the latest hare-brained scheme to come out of the London clubs. The difficulty of orchestrating a "splendid little war" is all the more evident when the various bureaucratic, military, and financier factions of the US establishment are not at all convinced that the project is a winner or even worthwhile, as the pro-sanctions, wait and see stance of many Democratic members of the House and Senate indicates. The subjectivity of George Bush is therefore a vital link in the chain of any explanation of why the war happened, and that subjectivity centers an increasingly desperate, aggravated, infantile id, tormented by the fires of a raging thyroid storm.

Bush's new desire to strut and posture as a madman on the world stage, as contrasted with his earlier devotion to secret, behind-the-scenes iniquity has certain parallels in Suetonius's portrait of the Emperor Nero. Before Nero had fully consolidated his hold on power, he cultivated outward and public displays of filial piety, and strove to manifest "good intentions." These were the veneer for monstrous crimes that were at first carried out covertly: "...at first his acts of wantonness, lust, extravagance, avarice, and cruelty were gradual and secret...." But once Nero had firmly established his own regime, the monster became more and more overt: "little by little, however, as his vices grew stronger, he dropped jesting and secrecy and with no attempt at disguise openly broke out into worse crime." [fn 1] Something similar can be observed in the case of Caligula, who had a wimp problem of sorts during the time that he lived on the island of Capri in the shadow of the aging emperor Tiberius, in somewhat the same way that Bush had lived in the shadow of Reagan, as least as far as the public was concerned. In the case of Caligula, "although at Capri every kind of wile was resorted to by those who tried to lure him or force him to utter complaints, he never gave them any satisfaction...." Caligula was "...so obsequious towards his grandfather [Tiberius] and his household, that it was well said of him that no one had ever been a better slave or a worse master." [fn 2] Later, when Caligula came into his own, he exacted a terrible price from the world for his earlier humiliations.

The process of mental and moral degeneration, the loss of previous self-control observable in Bush during this period is not merely an individual matter. The geek act in the White House was typical of the collective mental and political behavior of the faction to which Bush belongs by birth and pedigree, the Anglo-American financiers. During 1989 and 1990, outbursts of megalomania, racism, and manic flight forward were common enough, not just in Washington, but in Wall Street, Whitehall, and the City of London as well. These moods provided the psychic raw material for the strategic construct which Bush would proclaim during the late summer of 1990 as "The New World Order."
[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]
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because someone disagrees with you and tries to exposed your beliefs as fraud, they are working for the government

lol


You exposed nothing you moron, all you do is stick your fingers in your ears like a two year old.



oh, I have exposed the whole jig, with common sense and basic logic (something you lack)

5a

damn im good

but you can keep living in fear of false fantasies, it does not bother me any


With your head in the sand, there's only one thing you're exposing - now how about some evidence to further your argument?

Here's something to chew on while we wait:

George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography --- by Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin

Chapter -XXIV- The New World Order

Roma caput mundi regit orbis frena rotundi

(Rome, the chief of the world, hold the reins of this round orb.)

Inscription on the imperial crown of Diocletian.

During late 1989 and 1990, George Bush traversed a decisive watershed in his political career and in his own personal mental life. Up until this transition, Bush had attempted to secure advancement through an attitude of deference and propitiation, currying favor with a series of politicians and power brokers whom he despised as his social inferiors, and whom he never hesitated to stab in the back once he got the chance to do so. This was the old duplicitious "have half" persona of his early childhood. During the long years of Bush's quest for the vice presidency, and during the eight long years of his tenure in that office, the public face of Bush was that of dog-like fidelity and Reaganite orthodoxy. During these years Bush exhibited the same relative cognitive impairment which he had exhibited since his Andover days. On the surface, he was a top-level bureaucratic functionary of the US police state, sharing the moral insanity of the policy commitments of the government apparatus which he represented.

Severe and debilitating mental strains had been evident in Bush's personality from his earliest years. Such tensions were an inevitable result of the inhuman self-discipline demanded by his mother, Dorothy Walker Bush, whose regimen combined the most ruthless pursuit of personal affirmation for its own sake, with the imperative that all this single-minded striving be dissembled behind the elaborate pose of fairness and concern for the rights of others. During 1989 and 1990, the tensions converging on Bush's personal psychological structures were greatly magnified not just by the Panama adventure and the Gulf war, but also by the crisis of the Anglo-American financial interests, by the threat posed to Anglo-American plans by German reunification, by the thorny problems of preparing his own re-election, and by the foundering of his condominium partners in the Kremlin. As a result of this surfeit of tensions, Bush's personality entered into a process of disintegration. The whining accents of the wimp, so familiar to Bush-watchers of years past, were now increasingly supplanted by the hiss of frenetic spleen.

The successor personality which emerged from this upheaval differed in several important respects from the George Bush who had sought and occupied the vice-presidency. The George Bush who emerged in late 1990 after the dust had settled was far less restrained than the man who had languished in Reagan's shadow. The hyperthyroid "presidential" persona of Bush was equipped with little self-control, and rather featured a series of compulsive, quasi-psychotic episodes exhibited in the public glare of the television lights. These were typically rage-induced outbursts of verbal abuse and threats made in the context of international crises, first against Noriega and later against Iraqi president Saddam Hussein.

Some might argue that the public rage fits that became increasingly frequent during 1989-90 were calculated and scripted performances, calibrated and staged according to the methods of mind war for the express purpose of intimidating foreign adversaries and, not least of all, the American population itself. Bush's apprenticeship with Kissinger would have taught him the techniques we have seen Kissinger employ in his secret communications with Moscow during the Indo-Pakistani war of 1970: Kissinger makes clear that an integral part of his crisis management style is the studied attempt to convince his adversary that the latter is dealing with a madman who will not shun any expedient, no matter how irrational, in order to prevail. But with the Bush of 1990 we are far beyond such calculating histrionics. There were still traces of method in George Bush's madness, but the central factor was now the madness itself.

The thesis of this chapter is that while it is clear that the Gulf war was a deliberate and calculated provocation by the Anglo-American oligarchical and financier elite, the mental instability and psychological disintegration of George Bush was an indispensable ingredient in implementing the actions which the oligarchs and bankers desired. Without a George Bush who was increasingly non compos mentis, the imperialist grand design for the destruction of the leading Arab state and the intimidation of the third world might have remained on the shelf. Especially since the Bay of Pigs and the Vietnam debacle, American presidents have seen excellent reasons to mistrust their advisers when the latter came bearing plans for military adventures overseas. The destruction of the once powerful Lyndon B. Johnson, in particular, has stood as an eloquent warning to his successors that a president who wants to have a political future must be very reticent before he attempts to write a new page in the martial exploits of imperialism. Eisenhower's repudiation of the Anglo-French Suez invasion of 1956 can serve to remind us that even a relatively weak US president may find reasons not to leap into the vanguard of the latest hare-brained scheme to come out of the London clubs. The difficulty of orchestrating a "splendid little war" is all the more evident when the various bureaucratic, military, and financier factions of the US establishment are not at all convinced that the project is a winner or even worthwhile, as the pro-sanctions, wait and see stance of many Democratic members of the House and Senate indicates. The subjectivity of George Bush is therefore a vital link in the chain of any explanation of why the war happened, and that subjectivity centers an increasingly desperate, aggravated, infantile id, tormented by the fires of a raging thyroid storm.

Bush's new desire to strut and posture as a madman on the world stage, as contrasted with his earlier devotion to secret, behind-the-scenes iniquity has certain parallels in Suetonius's portrait of the Emperor Nero. Before Nero had fully consolidated his hold on power, he cultivated outward and public displays of filial piety, and strove to manifest "good intentions." These were the veneer for monstrous crimes that were at first carried out covertly: "...at first his acts of wantonness, lust, extravagance, avarice, and cruelty were gradual and secret...." But once Nero had firmly established his own regime, the monster became more and more overt: "little by little, however, as his vices grew stronger, he dropped jesting and secrecy and with no attempt at disguise openly broke out into worse crime." [fn 1] Something similar can be observed in the case of Caligula, who had a wimp problem of sorts during the time that he lived on the island of Capri in the shadow of the aging emperor Tiberius, in somewhat the same way that Bush had lived in the shadow of Reagan, as least as far as the public was concerned. In the case of Caligula, "although at Capri every kind of wile was resorted to by those who tried to lure him or force him to utter complaints, he never gave them any satisfaction...." Caligula was "...so obsequious towards his grandfather [Tiberius] and his household, that it was well said of him that no one had ever been a better slave or a worse master." [fn 2] Later, when Caligula came into his own, he exacted a terrible price from the world for his earlier humiliations.

The process of mental and moral degeneration, the loss of previous self-control observable in Bush during this period is not merely an individual matter. The geek act in the White House was typical of the collective mental and political behavior of the faction to which Bush belongs by birth and pedigree, the Anglo-American financiers. During 1989 and 1990, outbursts of megalomania, racism, and manic flight forward were common enough, not just in Washington, but in Wall Street, Whitehall, and the City of London as well. These moods provided the psychic raw material for the strategic construct which Bush would proclaim during the late summer of 1990 as "The New World Order."
[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]
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all that does is claim he had a mental breakdown

wtf

I can see why it was Unauthorized
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State of the Union Address
George Bush

29 January 1991

Mr. President and Mr. Speaker and Members of the United States Congress:

I come to this House of the people to speak to you and all Americans, certain that we stand at a defining hour. Halfway around the world, we are engaged in a great struggle in the skies and on the seas and sands. We know why we're there: We are Americans, part of something larger than ourselves. For two centuries, we've done the hard work of freedom. And tonight, we lead the world in facing down a threat to decency and humanity.

What is at stake is more than one small country; it is a big idea: a new world order, where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind -- peace and security, freedom, and the rule of law. Such is a world worthy of our struggle and worthy of our children's future. [link to www.thisnation.com]


wow, that sounds so evil

hf
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Context counts, twinkie, by their fruits ye shall know them. Read some of Duncans stuff, at least he puts some thought and effort into it.
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because someone disagrees with you and tries to exposed your beliefs as fraud, they are working for the government

lol


You exposed nothing you moron, all you do is stick your fingers in your ears like a two year old.



oh, I have exposed the whole jig, with common sense and basic logic (something you lack)

5a

damn im good

but you can keep living in fear of false fantasies, it does not bother me any


With your head in the sand, there's only one thing you're exposing - now how about some evidence to further your argument?

Here's something to chew on while we wait:

George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography --- by Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin

Chapter -XXIV- The New World Order

Roma caput mundi regit orbis frena rotundi

(Rome, the chief of the world, hold the reins of this round orb.)

Inscription on the imperial crown of Diocletian.

During late 1989 and 1990, George Bush traversed a decisive watershed in his political career and in his own personal mental life. Up until this transition, Bush had attempted to secure advancement through an attitude of deference and propitiation, currying favor with a series of politicians and power brokers whom he despised as his social inferiors, and whom he never hesitated to stab in the back once he got the chance to do so. This was the old duplicitious "have half" persona of his early childhood. During the long years of Bush's quest for the vice presidency, and during the eight long years of his tenure in that office, the public face of Bush was that of dog-like fidelity and Reaganite orthodoxy. During these years Bush exhibited the same relative cognitive impairment which he had exhibited since his Andover days. On the surface, he was a top-level bureaucratic functionary of the US police state, sharing the moral insanity of the policy commitments of the government apparatus which he represented.

Severe and debilitating mental strains had been evident in Bush's personality from his earliest years. Such tensions were an inevitable result of the inhuman self-discipline demanded by his mother, Dorothy Walker Bush, whose regimen combined the most ruthless pursuit of personal affirmation for its own sake, with the imperative that all this single-minded striving be dissembled behind the elaborate pose of fairness and concern for the rights of others. During 1989 and 1990, the tensions converging on Bush's personal psychological structures were greatly magnified not just by the Panama adventure and the Gulf war, but also by the crisis of the Anglo-American financial interests, by the threat posed to Anglo-American plans by German reunification, by the thorny problems of preparing his own re-election, and by the foundering of his condominium partners in the Kremlin. As a result of this surfeit of tensions, Bush's personality entered into a process of disintegration. The whining accents of the wimp, so familiar to Bush-watchers of years past, were now increasingly supplanted by the hiss of frenetic spleen.

The successor personality which emerged from this upheaval differed in several important respects from the George Bush who had sought and occupied the vice-presidency. The George Bush who emerged in late 1990 after the dust had settled was far less restrained than the man who had languished in Reagan's shadow. The hyperthyroid "presidential" persona of Bush was equipped with little self-control, and rather featured a series of compulsive, quasi-psychotic episodes exhibited in the public glare of the television lights. These were typically rage-induced outbursts of verbal abuse and threats made in the context of international crises, first against Noriega and later against Iraqi president Saddam Hussein.

Some might argue that the public rage fits that became increasingly frequent during 1989-90 were calculated and scripted performances, calibrated and staged according to the methods of mind war for the express purpose of intimidating foreign adversaries and, not least of all, the American population itself. Bush's apprenticeship with Kissinger would have taught him the techniques we have seen Kissinger employ in his secret communications with Moscow during the Indo-Pakistani war of 1970: Kissinger makes clear that an integral part of his crisis management style is the studied attempt to convince his adversary that the latter is dealing with a madman who will not shun any expedient, no matter how irrational, in order to prevail. But with the Bush of 1990 we are far beyond such calculating histrionics. There were still traces of method in George Bush's madness, but the central factor was now the madness itself.

The thesis of this chapter is that while it is clear that the Gulf war was a deliberate and calculated provocation by the Anglo-American oligarchical and financier elite, the mental instability and psychological disintegration of George Bush was an indispensable ingredient in implementing the actions which the oligarchs and bankers desired. Without a George Bush who was increasingly non compos mentis, the imperialist grand design for the destruction of the leading Arab state and the intimidation of the third world might have remained on the shelf. Especially since the Bay of Pigs and the Vietnam debacle, American presidents have seen excellent reasons to mistrust their advisers when the latter came bearing plans for military adventures overseas. The destruction of the once powerful Lyndon B. Johnson, in particular, has stood as an eloquent warning to his successors that a president who wants to have a political future must be very reticent before he attempts to write a new page in the martial exploits of imperialism. Eisenhower's repudiation of the Anglo-French Suez invasion of 1956 can serve to remind us that even a relatively weak US president may find reasons not to leap into the vanguard of the latest hare-brained scheme to come out of the London clubs. The difficulty of orchestrating a "splendid little war" is all the more evident when the various bureaucratic, military, and financier factions of the US establishment are not at all convinced that the project is a winner or even worthwhile, as the pro-sanctions, wait and see stance of many Democratic members of the House and Senate indicates. The subjectivity of George Bush is therefore a vital link in the chain of any explanation of why the war happened, and that subjectivity centers an increasingly desperate, aggravated, infantile id, tormented by the fires of a raging thyroid storm.

Bush's new desire to strut and posture as a madman on the world stage, as contrasted with his earlier devotion to secret, behind-the-scenes iniquity has certain parallels in Suetonius's portrait of the Emperor Nero. Before Nero had fully consolidated his hold on power, he cultivated outward and public displays of filial piety, and strove to manifest "good intentions." These were the veneer for monstrous crimes that were at first carried out covertly: "...at first his acts of wantonness, lust, extravagance, avarice, and cruelty were gradual and secret...." But once Nero had firmly established his own regime, the monster became more and more overt: "little by little, however, as his vices grew stronger, he dropped jesting and secrecy and with no attempt at disguise openly broke out into worse crime." [fn 1] Something similar can be observed in the case of Caligula, who had a wimp problem of sorts during the time that he lived on the island of Capri in the shadow of the aging emperor Tiberius, in somewhat the same way that Bush had lived in the shadow of Reagan, as least as far as the public was concerned. In the case of Caligula, "although at Capri every kind of wile was resorted to by those who tried to lure him or force him to utter complaints, he never gave them any satisfaction...." Caligula was "...so obsequious towards his grandfather [Tiberius] and his household, that it was well said of him that no one had ever been a better slave or a worse master." [fn 2] Later, when Caligula came into his own, he exacted a terrible price from the world for his earlier humiliations.

The process of mental and moral degeneration, the loss of previous self-control observable in Bush during this period is not merely an individual matter. The geek act in the White House was typical of the collective mental and political behavior of the faction to which Bush belongs by birth and pedigree, the Anglo-American financiers. During 1989 and 1990, outbursts of megalomania, racism, and manic flight forward were common enough, not just in Washington, but in Wall Street, Whitehall, and the City of London as well. These moods provided the psychic raw material for the strategic construct which Bush would proclaim during the late summer of 1990 as "The New World Order."
[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]


all that does is claim he had a mental breakdown

wtf

I can see why it was Unauthorized
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Get someone to read the whole book to you - and ask them to read slowly: [link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]
[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]
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because someone disagrees with you and tries to exposed your beliefs as fraud, they are working for the government

lol


You exposed nothing you moron, all you do is stick your fingers in your ears like a two year old.



oh, I have exposed the whole jig, with common sense and basic logic (something you lack)

5a

damn im good

but you can keep living in fear of false fantasies, it does not bother me any


With your head in the sand, there's only one thing you're exposing - now how about some evidence to further your argument?

Here's something to chew on while we wait:

George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography --- by Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin

Chapter -XXIV- The New World Order

Roma caput mundi regit orbis frena rotundi

(Rome, the chief of the world, hold the reins of this round orb.)

Inscription on the imperial crown of Diocletian.

During late 1989 and 1990, George Bush traversed a decisive watershed in his political career and in his own personal mental life. Up until this transition, Bush had attempted to secure advancement through an attitude of deference and propitiation, currying favor with a series of politicians and power brokers whom he despised as his social inferiors, and whom he never hesitated to stab in the back once he got the chance to do so. This was the old duplicitious "have half" persona of his early childhood. During the long years of Bush's quest for the vice presidency, and during the eight long years of his tenure in that office, the public face of Bush was that of dog-like fidelity and Reaganite orthodoxy. During these years Bush exhibited the same relative cognitive impairment which he had exhibited since his Andover days. On the surface, he was a top-level bureaucratic functionary of the US police state, sharing the moral insanity of the policy commitments of the government apparatus which he represented.

Severe and debilitating mental strains had been evident in Bush's personality from his earliest years. Such tensions were an inevitable result of the inhuman self-discipline demanded by his mother, Dorothy Walker Bush, whose regimen combined the most ruthless pursuit of personal affirmation for its own sake, with the imperative that all this single-minded striving be dissembled behind the elaborate pose of fairness and concern for the rights of others. During 1989 and 1990, the tensions converging on Bush's personal psychological structures were greatly magnified not just by the Panama adventure and the Gulf war, but also by the crisis of the Anglo-American financial interests, by the threat posed to Anglo-American plans by German reunification, by the thorny problems of preparing his own re-election, and by the foundering of his condominium partners in the Kremlin. As a result of this surfeit of tensions, Bush's personality entered into a process of disintegration. The whining accents of the wimp, so familiar to Bush-watchers of years past, were now increasingly supplanted by the hiss of frenetic spleen.

The successor personality which emerged from this upheaval differed in several important respects from the George Bush who had sought and occupied the vice-presidency. The George Bush who emerged in late 1990 after the dust had settled was far less restrained than the man who had languished in Reagan's shadow. The hyperthyroid "presidential" persona of Bush was equipped with little self-control, and rather featured a series of compulsive, quasi-psychotic episodes exhibited in the public glare of the television lights. These were typically rage-induced outbursts of verbal abuse and threats made in the context of international crises, first against Noriega and later against Iraqi president Saddam Hussein.

Some might argue that the public rage fits that became increasingly frequent during 1989-90 were calculated and scripted performances, calibrated and staged according to the methods of mind war for the express purpose of intimidating foreign adversaries and, not least of all, the American population itself. Bush's apprenticeship with Kissinger would have taught him the techniques we have seen Kissinger employ in his secret communications with Moscow during the Indo-Pakistani war of 1970: Kissinger makes clear that an integral part of his crisis management style is the studied attempt to convince his adversary that the latter is dealing with a madman who will not shun any expedient, no matter how irrational, in order to prevail. But with the Bush of 1990 we are far beyond such calculating histrionics. There were still traces of method in George Bush's madness, but the central factor was now the madness itself.

The thesis of this chapter is that while it is clear that the Gulf war was a deliberate and calculated provocation by the Anglo-American oligarchical and financier elite, the mental instability and psychological disintegration of George Bush was an indispensable ingredient in implementing the actions which the oligarchs and bankers desired. Without a George Bush who was increasingly non compos mentis, the imperialist grand design for the destruction of the leading Arab state and the intimidation of the third world might have remained on the shelf. Especially since the Bay of Pigs and the Vietnam debacle, American presidents have seen excellent reasons to mistrust their advisers when the latter came bearing plans for military adventures overseas. The destruction of the once powerful Lyndon B. Johnson, in particular, has stood as an eloquent warning to his successors that a president who wants to have a political future must be very reticent before he attempts to write a new page in the martial exploits of imperialism. Eisenhower's repudiation of the Anglo-French Suez invasion of 1956 can serve to remind us that even a relatively weak US president may find reasons not to leap into the vanguard of the latest hare-brained scheme to come out of the London clubs. The difficulty of orchestrating a "splendid little war" is all the more evident when the various bureaucratic, military, and financier factions of the US establishment are not at all convinced that the project is a winner or even worthwhile, as the pro-sanctions, wait and see stance of many Democratic members of the House and Senate indicates. The subjectivity of George Bush is therefore a vital link in the chain of any explanation of why the war happened, and that subjectivity centers an increasingly desperate, aggravated, infantile id, tormented by the fires of a raging thyroid storm.

Bush's new desire to strut and posture as a madman on the world stage, as contrasted with his earlier devotion to secret, behind-the-scenes iniquity has certain parallels in Suetonius's portrait of the Emperor Nero. Before Nero had fully consolidated his hold on power, he cultivated outward and public displays of filial piety, and strove to manifest "good intentions." These were the veneer for monstrous crimes that were at first carried out covertly: "...at first his acts of wantonness, lust, extravagance, avarice, and cruelty were gradual and secret...." But once Nero had firmly established his own regime, the monster became more and more overt: "little by little, however, as his vices grew stronger, he dropped jesting and secrecy and with no attempt at disguise openly broke out into worse crime." [fn 1] Something similar can be observed in the case of Caligula, who had a wimp problem of sorts during the time that he lived on the island of Capri in the shadow of the aging emperor Tiberius, in somewhat the same way that Bush had lived in the shadow of Reagan, as least as far as the public was concerned. In the case of Caligula, "although at Capri every kind of wile was resorted to by those who tried to lure him or force him to utter complaints, he never gave them any satisfaction...." Caligula was "...so obsequious towards his grandfather [Tiberius] and his household, that it was well said of him that no one had ever been a better slave or a worse master." [fn 2] Later, when Caligula came into his own, he exacted a terrible price from the world for his earlier humiliations.

The process of mental and moral degeneration, the loss of previous self-control observable in Bush during this period is not merely an individual matter. The geek act in the White House was typical of the collective mental and political behavior of the faction to which Bush belongs by birth and pedigree, the Anglo-American financiers. During 1989 and 1990, outbursts of megalomania, racism, and manic flight forward were common enough, not just in Washington, but in Wall Street, Whitehall, and the City of London as well. These moods provided the psychic raw material for the strategic construct which Bush would proclaim during the late summer of 1990 as "The New World Order."
[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]


all that does is claim he had a mental breakdown

wtf

I can see why it was Unauthorized


Get someone to read the whole book to you - and ask them to read slowly: [link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]
[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]
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those 2 websites you throw out have little to no credibilitym, conspiracy/reilgious whackjob wesbites

please cite a credible site
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How comes that when somebody is talking the simple truth as it is, as this OP does, the thread gets 1 star in 33 votes?
Are really people here so naive to believe in the Illuminati?
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Why did Bush Sr. talked about a "New" World Order on exact 11 years before the attacks of September 11, at 9:09 in the morning.

9:09 = 9+9 = 18.


"What is unknown by most is that the World Trade Center disaster isn't the only tragedy that has this Illuminati's / Masonic / Satanic signature as you will soon see. First lets look at the occults fanaticism with numerology and what these numbers represent. There are many numbers the occult use but 3,7,9,11,13,18,28,33,39,77 and 666 or any multiple of these numbers have special meaning to the Freemasons and the Illuminati."

How come there is no "Illuminati", if events in the real world "coincide" with the above statement?
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I am not admitting that there is one.

but I am saying that if it does exist it doesnt have to be a bad thing (like all you baffons make it out to be)

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This is what you said:

"The Fact- New World Order Is A Made Up Fantasy By People Who Are Miserable In Life"

It is a FACT, in your trolling mind, that the New World Order is a made up fantasy.

You said it!

But Bush Sr. mentioned it.

In a speech to the american Congress of all the places.

So much for "fantasy".

Now shut the fuck up troll. You are not making any sense with all this back-peddling.
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How comes that when somebody is talking the simple truth as it is, as this OP does, the thread gets 1 star in 33 votes?
Are really people here so naive to believe in the Illuminati?


Why did Bush Sr. talked about a "New" World Order on exact 11 years before the attacks of September 11, at 9:09 in the morning.

9:09 = 9+9 = 18.


"What is unknown by most is that the World Trade Center disaster isn't the only tragedy that has this Illuminati's / Masonic / Satanic signature as you will soon see. First lets look at the occults fanaticism with numerology and what these numbers represent. There are many numbers the occult use but 3,7,9,11,13,18,28,33,39,77 and 666 or any multiple of these numbers have special meaning to the Freemasons and the Illuminati."

How come there is no "Illuminati", if events in the real world "coincide" with the above statement?
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do you realize how stupid that makes you look

lets make up some random numbers and try to say they amount to a fact

5a
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I am not admitting that there is one.

but I am saying that if it does exist it doesnt have to be a bad thing (like all you baffons make it out to be)



This is what you said:

"The Fact- New World Order Is A Made Up Fantasy By People Who Are Miserable In Life"

It is a FACT, in your trolling mind, that the New World Order is a made up fantasy.

You said it!

But Bush Sr. mentioned it.

In a speech to the american Congress of all the places.

So much for "fantasy".

Now shut the fuck up troll. You are not making any sense with all this back-peddling.
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just admitt that I have won

because I have

5a 5a 5a 5a 5a
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just admitt that I have won

because I have

5a 5a 5a 5a 5a
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Pfffft. Hardly.

You've merely avoided every valid answer and/or explanation that has been given you.

Look, you've been at this for nearly 16 hours straight! You've earned your paycheck. Clock out and go home!
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Go tell the people on the street that the world is run by satanists and see how far you get. Whether it is true or not such statements are inflammatory and unhelpful when there is so much information available about the real world machinations.
Bringing up occult beliefs and attaching them to the topic is one of the ways tptb keep this subject from gaining notoriety in the minds of the masses.
The European Union, GAATT, NAFTA, CUFTA, reduction of standard of living, reduction of civil liberties, corporate exploitation of the working class,these should be the focus of the topic.
Dragging the occult into it is pointless and counterproductive and turns people off to the concept.


Go to the street and tell the world that 9/11 happened 11 exactly years after Bush Sr. told about a "New" World Order and see how far you get.

It is of no use to talk about NAFTA, GAATT, CUFTA, reduction of standard of living, reduction of civil liberties, corporate exploitation of the working class.

They know all about it already. They live it.

You have to explain WHY those things are in place.

Why EXACT eleven years before Bush Sr. talked about a New World Order, and then two buildings that looked like 11 fell.

If you have your arguments well explained, they might think you are a nut, but so what?

Is Chomsky's approach really making any difference?

Or is he a gate-keeper?

There is nothing "crazy" about talking rationally regarding these topics.

Your criticism of the other poster's phrase has no valid basis, because it is the truth.

They do believe in Phoenixes, Ordo Ab Cao, and they do believe a "New World Order can emerge".

Emerge from what? Ashes? Troubled times (chaos)?

They said it.

[link to en.wikisource.org]

No one is making this up.



Please...you are not helping.
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In your view.

I my view, I am speaking my mind.

And with facts. Pure facts.

Do your research.
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just admitt that I have won

because I have

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Pfffft. Hardly.

You've merely avoided every valid answer and/or explanation that has been given you.

Look, you've been at this for nearly 16 hours straight! You've earned your paycheck. Clock out and go home!
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I have won, because I have kept you with it near the whole time

you are my personal tool

congrats

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Finally, the most intelligent and sane person I ever met on this site. You are 100% right; the rest of you get a job and get back to work instead of blaming society for your personal shortcomings and failures. You don't have to project your own demons into mindless conspiracy theories...seek help!
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Another INCREDIBLY ignorant statement.
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just admitt that I have won

because I have

5a 5a 5a 5a 5a


Pfffft. Hardly.

You've merely avoided every valid answer and/or explanation that has been given you.

Look, you've been at this for nearly 16 hours straight! You've earned your paycheck. Clock out and go home!


I have won, because I have kept you with it near the whole time

you are my personal tool

congrats

5a 5a 5a 5a 5a
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LOL!! You made my day! Thanks.

It's good to know our Illuminati masters are thinking of us by sending us such nice little trolls. Thanks for playing, Homie!

Love & kisses,

Your little tool. hf

p.s. just for you Idol1
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Go tell the people on the street that the world is run by satanists and see how far you get. Whether it is true or not such statements are inflammatory and unhelpful when there is so much information available about the real world machinations.
Bringing up occult beliefs and attaching them to the topic is one of the ways tptb keep this subject from gaining notoriety in the minds of the masses.
The European Union, GAATT, NAFTA, CUFTA, reduction of standard of living, reduction of civil liberties, corporate exploitation of the working class,these should be the focus of the topic.
Dragging the occult into it is pointless and counterproductive and turns people off to the concept.


Go to the street and tell the world that 9/11 happened 11 exactly years after Bush Sr. told about a "New" World Order and see how far you get.

It is of no use to talk about NAFTA, GAATT, CUFTA, reduction of standard of living, reduction of civil liberties, corporate exploitation of the working class.

They know all about it already. They live it.

You have to explain WHY those things are in place.

Why EXACT eleven years before Bush Sr. talked about a New World Order, and then two buildings that looked like 11 fell.

If you have your arguments well explained, they might think you are a nut, but so what?

Is Chomsky's approach really making any difference?

Or is he a gate-keeper?

There is nothing "crazy" about talking rationally regarding these topics.

Your criticism of the other poster's phrase has no valid basis, because it is the truth.

They do believe in Phoenixes, Ordo Ab Cao, and they do believe a "New World Order can emerge".

Emerge from what? Ashes? Troubled times (chaos)?

They said it.

[link to en.wikisource.org]

No one is making this up.


once again

factual proof please. no Alex Jones bullshit or any other conspiracy whacko bullshit

and the new world order that Bush SR speaks of is the world coming together in peace and security

not the evil one you idiots waste your lives fearing....
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It is factual proof.

Look it up.

He spoke on September 11, 1990.

"(3) See, for example, George Bush, "Toward a New World Order," address before a joint session of Congress, September 11, 1990, U.S. Department of State Dispatch, September 17, 1990, pp. 91-94"

[link to www.cato.org]

Alex Jones is a shill. Just like you are. And don't come with this stupid talk that "no I am not".

Regarding "peace and security", you should read "1984". It is called "double-speak".

You just need to study their symbolism.

Bush Sr. spoke about a "New" World Order EXACT 11 years before the "terrorist" attacks of September 11.

WHY is that?

WHY did the buildings look like an "11"?

WHY the main "terrorist" attacks happened on the 11th?

It is all facts.

Either study more about Satanists - and their beliefs in numerology - or quit your job as a shill.

Regarding evil, the "coincidence" that EXACT 11 years later 3000 people were killed to bring about a "New" World Order where they invade a non-provoking country to kill and steal, it is pretty evil in my standards.

I know you don't have any. But it is pretty evil.

Oh and the bar-code and the internet has the "33 33 33" in them. Which translate to "666". Which in turn is the "Number of the Beast".

That is self-described Evil.

I am not making these things up.

They all exist in the world that we inhabit.

A world that YOU are helping making it more Evil by your actions in here.

Whether by ignorance or conscience.

If you are not a shill, you will stop posting here, will study the subject and will come back and ask meaningful questions.

However I doubt it, shill.
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Finally, the most intelligent and sane person I ever met on this site. You are 100% right; the rest of you get a job and get back to work instead of blaming society for your personal shortcomings and failures. You don't have to project your own demons into mindless conspiracy theories...seek help!





Another INCREDIBLY ignorant statement.
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that statement is 100% true, people are bitter and LOVE to blame society for THEIR OWN SHORTCOMINGS
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With all of the uncountable MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of people who have died horribly as a result of the wars that have been endlessly fomented by the Roman "church", and all of it's tentacles, operating as Secret Societies, and this cocksucker "Fraudbuster" has the audacity to claim that conspiracies don't exist, and there hasn't been a never-ending push towards what they themselves, call the New World Order.


What is this ignorant, evil puke (Fraudbuster) smoking?

Maybe he's just another lackey stooge, but I must say, he is doing more harm to his cause, than good. Which is a good thing.
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This idiot (Fraudbuster) has been on here all day and night... LOL!!

I told you... This guy is rabid! He DESPERATELY does not want you to believe in the obvious.

He is absolutely FRANTIC about it. Whitin seconds of posting, he's already posted a response. This has been going on since way before I went to bed last night, got up and went to work, and then when I get back home, this retard is STILL going at it...

Man, this guy is desperate.
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Man, this guy is desperate.
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How comes that when somebody is talking the simple truth as it is, as this OP does, the thread gets 1 star in 33 votes?
Are really people here so naive to believe in the Illuminati?


Why did Bush Sr. talked about a "New" World Order on exact 11 years before the attacks of September 11, at 9:09 in the morning.

9:09 = 9+9 = 18.


"What is unknown by most is that the World Trade Center disaster isn't the only tragedy that has this Illuminati's / Masonic / Satanic signature as you will soon see. First lets look at the occults fanaticism with numerology and what these numbers represent. There are many numbers the occult use but 3,7,9,11,13,18,28,33,39,77 and 666 or any multiple of these numbers have special meaning to the Freemasons and the Illuminati."

How come there is no "Illuminati", if events in the real world "coincide" with the above statement?


do you realize how stupid that makes you look

lets make up some random numbers and try to say they amount to a fact

5a
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No. They are not random numbers. Study more and you will know who the stupid here is.

Bush Sr. spoke - it is a FACT - 11 years before the "terrorist" attacks on the towers that looked like an "11".

"11 - Revelation, originality, timelessness, exoticism, inspiration, idealism, extravagancy, modernism, fanaticism, craziness, folly, illumination, incomprehension, difficult communication, degradation, air, a new millennium. The true number of the new era, the New Age."

Is it a "coincidence" that his speech on a "New Era" was done on September 11? EXACT 11 years before the attacks on buildings that looked like 11?

I think you should quit your job. And find something better out there.

Is there? That is the sad question.
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you are the ones who are desperate

you cling to every one of my responses

lol

you are my own personal tools, now back in the box

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How comes that when somebody is talking the simple truth as it is, as this OP does, the thread gets 1 star in 33 votes?
Are really people here so naive to believe in the Illuminati?


Why did Bush Sr. talked about a "New" World Order on exact 11 years before the attacks of September 11, at 9:09 in the morning.

9:09 = 9+9 = 18.


"What is unknown by most is that the World Trade Center disaster isn't the only tragedy that has this Illuminati's / Masonic / Satanic signature as you will soon see. First lets look at the occults fanaticism with numerology and what these numbers represent. There are many numbers the occult use but 3,7,9,11,13,18,28,33,39,77 and 666 or any multiple of these numbers have special meaning to the Freemasons and the Illuminati."

How come there is no "Illuminati", if events in the real world "coincide" with the above statement?


do you realize how stupid that makes you look

lets make up some random numbers and try to say they amount to a fact

5a


No. They are not random numbers. Study more and you will know who the stupid here is.

Bush Sr. spoke - it is a FACT - 11 years before the "terrorist" attacks on the towers that looked like an "11".

"11 - Revelation, originality, timelessness, exoticism, inspiration, idealism, extravagancy, modernism, fanaticism, craziness, folly, illumination, incomprehension, difficult communication, degradation, air, a new millennium. The true number of the new era, the New Age."

Is it a "coincidence" that his speech on a "New Era" was done on September 11? EXACT 11 years before the attacks on buildings that looked like 11?

I think you should quit your job. And find something better out there.

Is there? That is the sad question.
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trying to use numbers to try to prove something (other then a math problem) is useless and in now way works

sorry to break it to you
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LOL!! You made my day! Thanks.

It's good to know our Illuminati masters are thinking of us by sending us such nice little trolls. Thanks for playing, Homie!

Love & kisses,

Your little tool. hf

p.s. just for you Idol1
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And that is the real reason that we have "free" internet - for now.

They NEED to perfect their counter-arguments to any Truth argument made by the "lunatic fringe".

That is why this site exists, in the first place.

Such evil rich losers.





GLP