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Now police are told they can use Taser guns on children
Police have been given the go-ahead to use Taser stun guns against children.

The relaxing of restrictions on the use of the weapons comes despite warnings that they could trigger a heart attack in youngsters.

Until now, Tasers - which emit a 50,000-volt electric shock - have been used only by specialist officers as a "non lethal" alternative to firearms.

However, they can now be used against all potentially violent offenders even if they are unarmed.

It is the decision not to ban their use against minors that is likely to raise serious concerns.

Home Office Police Minister Tony McNulty said medical assessments had confirmed the risk of death or serious injury from Tasers was "low".

But he failed to mention Government advisers had also warned of a potential risk to children.

The Defence Scientific Advisory Council medical committee told the Home Office that not enough was known about the health risks of using the weapons against children.

Tasers work by firing metal barbs into the skin which then discharge an electrical charge which is designed to disable someone long enough to allow police to detain them safely.

The committee, which is made up of independent scientists and doctors, said that limited research suggested there was a risk children could suffer "a serious cardiac event".

It recommended that officers should be "particularly vigilant" for any Taser-induced adverse response and said guidance should be amended to "identify children and adults of small stature" as being at potentially greater risk from the cardiac effects of Tasers.

The Government scientists were also asked to test whether the weapons could cause a miscarriage if used on a pregnant woman.

While not saying whether police would be allowed to Taser an expectant mother, the Home Office said the DSAC committee had "specifically asked" for computer simulations to be carried out to analyse the effect on "a pregnant female".

Amnesty International claims Tasers have been responsible for 220 deaths in America since 2001. Many cities and police forces there have banned their use against minors.

Two years ago in Chicago a 14-year-old boy went into cardiac arrest after being shot with one. Medics had to use a defibrillator four times to resuscitate him.

Taser International, the American firm that makes the device, said tests on pigs suggested the weapons were safe.

The Association of Chief Police Officers, which issues guidance to forces on the use of weapons, said Tasers would be made "readily available" for "conflict management" at incidents of "violence and threats of violence of such severity that they will need force".

Non-firearms officers in ten forces will be trained to use the weapons. Every incident they are involved in will be assessed over a 12-month trial period.

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"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances there is a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air--however slight--lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
--Justice William O. Douglas

"There are three kinds of intelligence: one kind understands things for itself, the other appreciates what others can understand, the third understands neither for itself nor through others. This first is excellent, the second good, and the third useless."
--Niccolò Machiavelli

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Sweet Jesus.
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Sweet Jesus.
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:jesfp:

He's not here yet...

at least not like He's gonna be.
"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances there is a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air--however slight--lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
--Justice William O. Douglas

"There are three kinds of intelligence: one kind understands things for itself, the other appreciates what others can understand, the third understands neither for itself nor through others. This first is excellent, the second good, and the third useless."
--Niccolò Machiavelli

"I have promises to keep,
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Unbelievable!
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How convenient that this comes at the same time as a bill to hide police misconduct from the public.

How bad's it gotta get people?
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Poor UK
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Good. Have you seen some kids these days? The threat of a taser may put these kids back in line. Dont cry about everything.
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How convenient that this comes at the same time as a bill to hide police misconduct from the public.

How bad's it gotta get people?
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Never thought I'd quote a Nazi and agree with what he was saying, but:

"Now, people rise up, and let the storm break loose!"
Joseph Goebbels' total war speech, given on 18 February 1943
"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances there is a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air--however slight--lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
--Justice William O. Douglas

"There are three kinds of intelligence: one kind understands things for itself, the other appreciates what others can understand, the third understands neither for itself nor through others. This first is excellent, the second good, and the third useless."
--Niccolò Machiavelli

"I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep"
--Robert Frost

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Good. Have you seen some kids these days? The threat of a taser may put these kids back in line. Dont cry about everything.
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Then let the parents whip that ass; don't let the coppers tase them!
"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances there is a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air--however slight--lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
--Justice William O. Douglas

"There are three kinds of intelligence: one kind understands things for itself, the other appreciates what others can understand, the third understands neither for itself nor through others. This first is excellent, the second good, and the third useless."
--Niccolò Machiavelli

"I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep"
--Robert Frost

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Good. Have you seen some kids these days? The threat of a taser may put these kids back in line. Dont cry about everything.

Then let the parents whip that ass; don't let the coppers tase them!
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Excellent point.
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Where and when will all of this insanity end?

*sigh*
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Parent can't spank their children but complete strangers in uniform can taz them? Unbelievable!


Good. Have you seen some kids these days? The threat of a taser may put these kids back in line. Dont cry about everything.
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Parent can't spank their children but complete strangers in uniform can taz them? Unbelievable!



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DAMN good point!
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I don`t know what should happen to be realized by the sheeple one simple and obvious fact: Police, politics etc are our enemies and should be removed. They create the problems and they are offering to us the "solutions". These solutions make the problems even stronger. And when people want "security", they get from TPTB just the opposite.
Wake up, sheeple, time to revolt.
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I was attacker by a rabbid gold fish.

The taser was my only hope of survival.

I was even asked to come on Montel to recant my harrowing experiance.
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I was attacker by a rabbid gold fish.

The taser was my only hope of survival.

I was even asked to come on Montel to recant my harrowing experiance.
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Oh, too bad he's been canceled. I would liked to have seen that.
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Parent can't spank their children but complete strangers in uniform can taz them? Unbelievable!



Good. Have you seen some kids these days? The threat of a taser may put these kids back in line. Dont cry about everything.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 368705


Its not really a good point at all. Police are there to enforce the laws. Parents are there to raise children with love and nurturing.
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Parent can't spank their children but complete strangers in uniform can taz them? Unbelievable!



Good. Have you seen some kids these days? The threat of a taser may put these kids back in line. Dont cry about everything.



Its not really a good point at all. Police are there to enforce the laws. Parents are there to raise children with love and nurturing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 351956

Spare the rod, spoil the child.

Not that I advocate BEATING children, but discipline is a part of parental responsibility. And has been sorely lacking in the current generation or two.
"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances there is a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air--however slight--lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
--Justice William O. Douglas

"There are three kinds of intelligence: one kind understands things for itself, the other appreciates what others can understand, the third understands neither for itself nor through others. This first is excellent, the second good, and the third useless."
--Niccolò Machiavelli

"I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep"
--Robert Frost

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Parent can't spank their children but complete strangers in uniform can taz them? Unbelievable!



Good. Have you seen some kids these days? The threat of a taser may put these kids back in line. Dont cry about everything.



Its not really a good point at all. Police are there to enforce the laws. Parents are there to raise children with love and nurturing.

Spare the rod, spoil the child.

Not that I advocate BEATING children, but discipline is a part of parental responsibility. And has been sorely lacking in the current generation or two.
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Right. However, the law is there to protect everyone.
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lmao

I correct you:
The law WAS there to protect everyone.
Right. However, the law is there to protect everyone.
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Parent can't spank their children but complete strangers in uniform can taz them? Unbelievable!



Good. Have you seen some kids these days? The threat of a taser may put these kids back in line. Dont cry about everything.



Its not really a good point at all. Police are there to enforce the laws. Parents are there to raise children with love and nurturing.

Spare the rod, spoil the child.

Not that I advocate BEATING children, but discipline is a part of parental responsibility. And has been sorely lacking in the current generation or two.


Right. However, the law is there to protect everyone.
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Parent can't spank their children but complete strangers in uniform can taz them? Unbelievable!



Good. Have you seen some kids these days? The threat of a taser may put these kids back in line. Dont cry about everything.



Its not really a good point at all. Police are there to enforce the laws. Parents are there to raise children with love and nurturing.

Spare the rod, spoil the child.

Not that I advocate BEATING children, but discipline is a part of parental responsibility. And has been sorely lacking in the current generation or two.


Right. However, the law is there to protect everyone.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 351956

Which is why cops can tase kids with 500,000 volts but the parents dare not use a few lashes of the belt?!?

I WILL RAISE MY CHILDREN THANK YOU MUCH!

:bulpee:
. On the State, Nanny or other.
"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances there is a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air--however slight--lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
--Justice William O. Douglas

"There are three kinds of intelligence: one kind understands things for itself, the other appreciates what others can understand, the third understands neither for itself nor through others. This first is excellent, the second good, and the third useless."
--Niccolò Machiavelli

"I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep"
--Robert Frost

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Good. Have you seen some kids these days? The threat of a taser may put these kids back in line. Dont cry about everything.

Then let the parents whip that ass; don't let the coppers tase them!


Excellent point.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 351956




Ive been whipin my kids asses all along,and if i go too jail
for it,whip that ass again when i get out......


Thats whats wrong with the youth in USA,they need that ass whippin when they get outta line.


My dad got me and my sisters,we might try something once but,we didnt push for a second.
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Good. Have you seen some kids these days? The threat of a taser may put these kids back in line. Dont cry about everything.

Then let the parents whip that ass; don't let the coppers tase them!


Excellent point.






Ive been whipin my kids asses all along,and if i go too jail
for it,whip that ass again when i get out......


Thats whats wrong with the youth in USA,they need that ass whippin when they get outta line.


My dad got me and my sisters,we might try something once but,we didnt push for a second.
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You shoudn`t ever leave the jail.
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Good. Have you seen some kids these days? The threat of a taser may put these kids back in line. Dont cry about everything.

Then let the parents whip that ass; don't let the coppers tase them!


Excellent point.

Only weak people resort to that kind of discipline. If you have a mind in your head, you could research, study and come up with techniques to raise them "in line". Big man huh? Lets see where those kids are when they grow up.

Maybe your pappy should have spent more time teaching you grammar and english, look at you. You belong in jail.







Ive been whipin my kids asses all along,and if i go too jail
for it,whip that ass again when i get out......


Thats whats wrong with the youth in USA,they need that ass whippin when they get outta line.


My dad got me and my sisters,we might try something once but,we didnt push for a second.
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Good. Have you seen some kids these days? The threat of a taser may put these kids back in line. Dont cry about everything.

Then let the parents whip that ass; don't let the coppers tase them!


Excellent point.






Ive been whipin my kids asses all along,and if i go too jail
for it,whip that ass again when i get out......


Thats whats wrong with the youth in USA,they need that ass whippin when they get outta line.


My dad got me and my sisters,we might try something once but,we didnt push for a second.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 373404


Only weak people resort to that kind of discipline. If you have a mind in your head, you could research, study and come up with techniques to raise them "in line". Big man huh? Lets see where those kids are when they grow up.

Maybe your pappy should have spent more time teaching you grammar and english, look at you. You belong in jail.
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Re: Now police are told they can use Taser guns on children
Good. Have you seen some kids these days? The threat of a taser may put these kids back in line. Dont cry about everything.

Then let the parents whip that ass; don't let the coppers tase them!


Excellent point.






Ive been whipin my kids asses all along,and if i go too jail
for it,whip that ass again when i get out......


Thats whats wrong with the youth in USA,they need that ass whippin when they get outta line.


My dad got me and my sisters,we might try something once but,we didnt push for a second.


Only weak people resort to that kind of discipline. If you have a mind in your head, you could research, study and come up with techniques to raise them "in line". Big man huh? Lets see where those kids are when they grow up.

Maybe your pappy should have spent more time teaching you grammar and english, look at you. You belong in jail.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 351956

I was whipped when I screwed up, and never once when it wasn't deserved. Talk shit to me. I'm grown. Show me what all your study has taught you. Dr. Spock hasn't done the trick this time, especially in the face of first person shooters on X-Box and Johnny-Down-The-Block with daddy's nine milli. Like I said, I don't suggest beating the child, nor do I think such punishment is effective beyond a certain development level. However, that being said, corporal punishment does have its place, distasteful as it may be. Where do you suppose this saying came from: "This is going to hurt me as much as it does you."?
"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances there is a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air--however slight--lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
--Justice William O. Douglas

"There are three kinds of intelligence: one kind understands things for itself, the other appreciates what others can understand, the third understands neither for itself nor through others. This first is excellent, the second good, and the third useless."
--Niccolò Machiavelli

"I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep"
--Robert Frost

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Where do you suppose this saying came from: "This is going to hurt me as much as it does you."?
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LoL
Oh, I love that old saying.
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It tastes like medicine
Just help me get it in
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Good. Have you seen some kids these days? The threat of a taser may put these kids back in line. Dont cry about everything.

Then let the parents whip that ass; don't let the coppers tase them!


Excellent point.






Ive been whipin my kids asses all along,and if i go too jail
for it,whip that ass again when i get out......


Thats whats wrong with the youth in USA,they need that ass whippin when they get outta line.


My dad got me and my sisters,we might try something once but,we didnt push for a second.


Only weak people resort to that kind of discipline. If you have a mind in your head, you could research, study and come up with techniques to raise them "in line". Big man huh? Lets see where those kids are when they grow up.

Maybe your pappy should have spent more time teaching you grammar and english, look at you. You belong in jail.

I was whipped when I screwed up, and never once when it wasn't deserved. Talk shit to me. I'm grown. Show me what all your study has taught you. Dr. Spock hasn't done the trick this time, especially in the face of first person shooters on X-Box and Johnny-Down-The-Block with daddy's nine milli. Like I said, I don't suggest beating the child, nor do I think such punishment is effective beyond a certain development level. However, that being said, corporal punishment does have its place, distasteful as it may be. Where do you suppose this saying came from: "This is going to hurt me as much as it does you."?
 Quoting: Niccolò


Yep, and look at you now! I happen to come from a good place where beatings were outweighed by common sense and technique. Im not going to explain it to you, your ignorance is so ingrained I dont stand a chance.
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Yep, and look at you now! I happen to come from a good place where beatings were outweighed by common sense and technique. Im not going to explain it to you, your ignorance is so ingrained I dont stand a chance.
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Yes. Look at me now. What do you know about me? My education? My background? My life experiences? Anything at all other than what I've revealed in various threads here? What is it you presuppose my ignorance on? You apparently weren't paying attention at all to what I said. Or you lack comprehension skills. Anyway, this thread is about cops tasing kids, which is wrong regardless. You can grasp that, right?
"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances there is a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air--however slight--lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
--Justice William O. Douglas

"There are three kinds of intelligence: one kind understands things for itself, the other appreciates what others can understand, the third understands neither for itself nor through others. This first is excellent, the second good, and the third useless."
--Niccolò Machiavelli

"I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep"
--Robert Frost

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