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Ukraine and the Chinese military...........This is interesting

 
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I was doing some reading on the Chinese military, and found out they apparently buy / bought large numbers of engines for their jets and ships, from a manufacturer in the Ukraine ( Circa 2010-2014 )

So, I googled a bit and found an article from last year, March 18, 2021, titled

" Ukraine blocks Chinese takeover of jet engine maker on US urging "

Motor Sich holds key military technology for Beijing, now Kyiv's top trade partner

-- Ukraine will halt the takeover of an aircraft engine maker by a Chinese company, responding to U.S. objections over the prospect of important military technology falling into Beijing's hands

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Might want to Google this article as well as the company Motor Sich, it's rather interesting in light of the situation in the Ukraine, and China's stance thus far.....

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Russia, which bought military aircraft engines from Motor Sich, was the company's biggest customer before the Crimea annexation.

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In 2017 China's Beijing Skyrizon Aviation purchased a 41% holding in Motor Sich, but in September 2017 a Ukrainian court froze the holding for national security reasons

Beijing Skyrizon Aviation had agreed to invest $250 million in the Ukrainian plants, and to set up an assembly and servicing plant in Chongqing in southwest China.

Some, including former counsel to the US Senate Foreign Relation Committee William C. Triplet have criticized Ukraine for allowing Motor Sich to conduct business with Chinese firms

Oleh Lyashko, a leader of one of Ukraine’s parties said if the USA does not want Motor Sich to be closer with the Chinese, then they need to buy enough aircraft engines

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The plot thickens......
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Motor Sich’s ownership structure is complex

The company passed into private hands in the 90s when Vyacheslav Bohuslayev, a former lawmaker, bought up its shares. It is now owned by a number of offshore companies in Cyprus, Panama, and Belize.( Who ? )

The Chinese investors tried to buy the Motor Sich from these entities for 700 million

When the Skyrizon plan failed, the Chinese investors filed a $3.5 billion international arbitration claim against Ukraine in December 2020

in 2021, President Volodymyr Zelensky imposed three-year sanctions against Skyrizon owner Wang Jing, the company itself, and its parent entity, Beijing Xinwei Technology Group in an effort to stop Motor Sich’s sale

After the attempted purchase was uncovered, the Security Service of Ukraine investigated it as attempted sabotage and a conspiracy to destroy the strategic enterprise by transferring its advanced technology abroad.

The U.S. shares this concern and has repeatedly asked Ukraine not to let China possess the company and its tech. The U.S. has blacklisted Skyrizon, saying that it threatens U.S. interests and has significant ties to the Chinese military.


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Vyacheslav Boguslayev

Holy shit, this guy has some very interesting history and ties for someone who owns / owned (?) the manufacturer of that Ukrainian company....

read this page on him

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so,...this company, Motor Sich, is in Zaporizhzhia

Read this and tell me the Russians aren't trying to take this area

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The city of Zaporizhzhia is an important transportation hub in Ukraine and has deeply developed transportation system that includes roadway, rail, river and air options for passenger, freight

On the eastern outskirts of Zaporizhzhia passes a major national highway M-18 that connects Kharkiv with Simferopol.

Three other national highways terminate in Zaporizhzhia, one H-23 which starts in Kropyvnytskyi and through Kryvyi Rih ends in Zaporizhzhia; the second H-08 which starts in Kyiv and travels along Dnieper all the way south passing through number of important cities such as Kremenchuk, Kamianske, Dnipro, and others; and the other highway H-15 which arrives to Zaporizhzhia from Donetsk

Zaporizhzhia city has two railway stations, Zaporizhzhia-the-First and Zaporizhzhia-the-Second. The First is the central station. It is located in the southern part of the city and is a part of the "north-south" transit route Simferopol-Kharkiv. The line of the Zaporizhzhia-the-Second station connects the Donbas coalfield with Kryvyi Rih iron ore site.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Zaporizhzhia is an important industrial center of Ukraine, the country's main car manufacturing company, the Motor-Sich world-famous aircraft engine manufacturer. Well supplied with electricity, Zaporizhzhia forms, together with the adjoining Donets Basin and the Nikopol manganese and Kryvyi Rih iron mines, one of Ukraine's leading industrial complexes.

The city is also a home of the Ukraine's main automobile production center which is based at the Zaporizhzhia Automobile Factory ZAZ producing such Ukrainian car brands like Zaporozhets and Tavria.

After the end of the Russian Revolution, the city became an important industrial center. The presence of cheap labor and the proximity of deposits of coal, iron ore, and manganese created favorable conditions for large-scale enterprises of the iron and mechanical engineering industries. Today Zaporizhzhia is an important industrial center of the region with heavy industry (particularly metallurgy), aluminium, and chemical industry. In the city cars, avia motors, radioelectronics are manufactured. The port of Zaporizhzhia is an important place of transshipment for goods from the Donbas.

Zaporizhstal, Ukraine's fourth largest steel maker, ranks 54th in the world and is based in the city.

Zaporizhzhia is a large electricity generating hub. There are hydroelectric power plant known as "DniproHES" Dnieper Hydroelectric Station and the largest nuclear power plant in Europe. Zaporizhzhia plants generate about 25% of the whole Ukrainian electricity consumption. The Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant is located near the Enerhodar (trans. Energygifter), around 60 km from Zaporizhzhia which is the largest nuclear power plant in Europe.
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Who cares…

Remember Iraq? For WMD? Lol

Why is one right and one wrong? How come people cannot rationalize the other side?
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Who cares…

Remember Iraq? For WMD? Lol

Why is one right and one wrong? How come people cannot rationalize the other side?
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you care, for starters, you bothered to respond

whatever
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Re: Ukraine and the Chinese military...........This is interesting
I was doing some reading on the Chinese military, and found out they apparently buy / bought large numbers of engines for their jets and ships, from a manufacturer in the Ukraine ( Circa 2010-2014 )

So, I googled a bit and found an article from last year, March 18, 2021, titled

" Ukraine blocks Chinese takeover of jet engine maker on US urging "

Motor Sich holds key military technology for Beijing, now Kyiv's top trade partner

-- Ukraine will halt the takeover of an aircraft engine maker by a Chinese company, responding to U.S. objections over the prospect of important military technology falling into Beijing's hands

----------

Might want to Google this article as well as the company Motor Sich, it's rather interesting in light of the situation in the Ukraine, and China's stance thus far.....

popcorn
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Thank Donald Trump and Mike Pompeo for that
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03/01/2022 03:34 PM
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you're right. that is interesting OP

thanks
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03/01/2022 03:36 PM
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Is this the article?

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ST. FLOYD OF FENTANYL

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Beijing Firm Seeking Control of Ukrainian Engine Giants Goes Bankrupt
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Is this the article?

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ya, I just didn't know if if was allowed to post the link...sigh

Thank you
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03/01/2022 03:43 PM
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Zaporizhzhia was apparently a very important strategic asset in WW2, because of the steelworks ( And probably a few other things )

Was occupied by the Germans for a few years

It's covered on the wiki page
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Some more info:


Motor Sich Partners:

IVCHENKO ZMKB PROGRESS SE
IVECO-MOTOR SICH PRIVATE JSC
KLIMOV PLANT
SALYUT MMPP
TAGANROG BERIEV ANTK
UFA ENGINE-BUILDING PRODUCTION ASSOCIATION JSC

( I've not looked any of these companies up yet, you guys can jump on it too )

Motor Sich Products:

Bypass turbofan engines:
D-18T;
D-36;
D-436TP;
D-436T1/T2;
AI-22;
AI-222;
AI-25;
AI25TL

Turboprop engines:
TV3-17VMA-SBM1;
AI-20;
AI-24;
VK-1500

Turboprofan engine:
D-27

Rotary-wing Turboshaft engines:
D-136;
TV3-117;
VK-2500



Looked a few of those up^^

Pretty standard for what you see in Russian planes

....

also this:

" Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council Oleksiy Danilov said: "The word nationalization was in no way used either at the meeting of the National Security and Defense Council, or in the decision taken by the National Security and Defense Council, or at the briefing at which I spoke. There were completely different words. Today we are in an information war with the Russian Federation, which has a direct relationship with the Chinese before the attempt to seize the company " Motor Sich ", so today we have such negative information about nationalization. It was said that the company "Motor Sich" will soon be returned to the ownership of the Ukrainian people in a lawful manner, according to current Ukrainian legislation. We cannot afford, being in a state of war, to hand over the enterprise on which our defense capability depends".

An extraordinary general meeting of Motor Sich JSC, initiated by Chinese investors and Ukrainian businessman Oleksandr Yaroslavsky, was scheduled for January 31 in Zaporizhia, but was disrupted by the Security Service. "
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So, the first Motor Sich partner is Ivchenko-Progress

here's what I see:

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Ivchenko-Progress ZMKB Zaporizhzhia Machine-Building Design Bureau "Progress" State Enterprise named after Academician O.H.Ivchenko), formerly OKB-478 and Ivchenko Lotarev, is a state design bureau that creates drafts and plans for aircraft engines in Zaporizhzhia, Ukraine whose products are widely used in both civil and military aircraft, most notably by Antonov, Beriev, Ilyushin, Tupolev, Mil and Yakovlev. The design bureau works closely with Motor Sich, the turbine manufacturer located in Zaporizhzhia which produces those engines.

Polish manufacturer PZL-Mielec used the Progress ZMKB AI-25TL engine in the PZL M15 cropduster. Both the largest plane in the world, the Antonov An-225 Mriya and the largest helicopter, the Mil Mi-26, are powered by Progress/Lotarev engines.

The bureau is administered by the Ukrainian Defense Industry and the Ministry of Industrial Policy.

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Beriev, Ilyushin, Tupolev, Mil and Yakovlev are ALL Russian companies
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so,...this company, Motor Sich, is in Zaporizhzhia

Read this and tell me the Russians aren't trying to take this area

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The city of Zaporizhzhia is an important transportation hub in Ukraine and has deeply developed transportation system that includes roadway, rail, river and air options for passenger, freight

On the eastern outskirts of Zaporizhzhia passes a major national highway M-18 that connects Kharkiv with Simferopol.

Three other national highways terminate in Zaporizhzhia, one H-23 which starts in Kropyvnytskyi and through Kryvyi Rih ends in Zaporizhzhia; the second H-08 which starts in Kyiv and travels along Dnieper all the way south passing through number of important cities such as Kremenchuk, Kamianske, Dnipro, and others; and the other highway H-15 which arrives to Zaporizhzhia from Donetsk

Zaporizhzhia city has two railway stations, Zaporizhzhia-the-First and Zaporizhzhia-the-Second. The First is the central station. It is located in the southern part of the city and is a part of the "north-south" transit route Simferopol-Kharkiv. The line of the Zaporizhzhia-the-Second station connects the Donbas coalfield with Kryvyi Rih iron ore site.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Zaporizhzhia is an important industrial center of Ukraine, the country's main car manufacturing company, the Motor-Sich world-famous aircraft engine manufacturer. Well supplied with electricity, Zaporizhzhia forms, together with the adjoining Donets Basin and the Nikopol manganese and Kryvyi Rih iron mines, one of Ukraine's leading industrial complexes.

The city is also a home of the Ukraine's main automobile production center which is based at the Zaporizhzhia Automobile Factory ZAZ producing such Ukrainian car brands like Zaporozhets and Tavria.

After the end of the Russian Revolution, the city became an important industrial center. The presence of cheap labor and the proximity of deposits of coal, iron ore, and manganese created favorable conditions for large-scale enterprises of the iron and mechanical engineering industries. Today Zaporizhzhia is an important industrial center of the region with heavy industry (particularly metallurgy), aluminium, and chemical industry. In the city cars, avia motors, radioelectronics are manufactured. The port of Zaporizhzhia is an important place of transshipment for goods from the Donbas.

Zaporizhstal, Ukraine's fourth largest steel maker, ranks 54th in the world and is based in the city.

Zaporizhzhia is a large electricity generating hub. There are hydroelectric power plant known as "DniproHES" Dnieper Hydroelectric Station and the largest nuclear power plant in Europe. Zaporizhzhia plants generate about 25% of the whole Ukrainian electricity consumption. The Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant is located near the Enerhodar (trans. Energygifter), around 60 km from Zaporizhzhia which is the largest nuclear power plant in Europe.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80952591


The eastern industrial region has a long history of benefit from its relationship with Russia. That's why they reject NWO westernization.
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Another of Motor Sich's partners:

Ufa Engine Building Production Association

The Ufa Engine Industrial Association (the UMPO in Russian) was founded in 1925. The association launched the production of the first Soviet jet engines such as RD-10, RD-45F, and VK-1A for the MiG and Yak fighters. Since the mid-fifties, the Ufa-based Engine Production Association has been manufacturing the Mikoyan MiG-19 RD-9B turbo-jet engines, as well as R11F-300 engines for the MiG-21 fighter. Later, the plant developed the production of the R11F2-300, R11F2S-300, R-13-300, R25-300 derivatives for various MiG-21 and Su-15 versions, as well as the production of the R-29B-300 and R29B9-300 third-generation engines intended for the Mikoyan MiG-23B, MiG-27 and Sukhoi Su-22 fighter-bombers. It also produced the Su-25 R-95Sh non-afterburning turbojet engines as well as the improved R-195 version designed for the Su-39 attack aircraft.

^^ Those are all outdated planes used by only a few nations, afaik, but...

Since the late 1980s, the AL-31F fourth-generation turbojet engines and their versions for the Su-27 and Su-30 fighters being produced both for the Russian Air Force and air forces of other countries

Those are the modern fighters

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....so this means that China tried to buy a large portion of Motor Sich ( Who is partnered with many Russian companies that make military equipment for the Russians ), but they did so without making the purchase public ( Because the US government would have objected to the sale and loss of proprietary military technology to the Russians and Chinese ), ...

...in turn Zalensky slaps a pair of handcuffs on the deal, stopping it from happening

Intadesting.....gonna keep digging
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War in modern times is also a war for patents

My grandfather told me how the Americans allegedly seized IG Farben's assets.
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OK....so

I cant get through the paywall with my usual method, but if you look up:

Nov 18, 2020 — Motor Sich's efforts to gain contracts in the US are being discreetly handled by VTS Aviation


I looked VTS up and it says:

VTS Aviation is internationally based Woman-Owned Small Business (WOSB) headquartered in Tacoma, WA with an international footprint that includes the Russian federation, Ukraine, Turkey and Europe

VTS Aviation has strong capabilities in Foreign Military Acquisition and specializes in the acquisition and support of threat aviation assets

VTS Avation is unique in that it maintains and operates US/NATO equipment to include trucks, armored vehicles, communications equipment and weapons

The VTS Family of firms is US State Department registered and conversant in ITARS and supports international clients with various spare parts for Former Soviet and US/NATO vehicles, aircraft and helicopters

...

I keep googling and ....um.....you guys should look up VTS Aviation

This is pretty crazy
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VTS, on their own site, say

" We represent Magellan Aerospace ( A Canadian company )
and WSPS "

But...WSPS isn't a company, afaict, it's a proprietary system used to protect helicopters, and it was actually tested by the US Army at Langley

WSPS stands for Wire Strike Protection System
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...in turn, VTS ( A company focused on the acquisition of cutting edge military technology, and perhaps some industrial theft or espionage / assorted hijinks ) seems to be connected to ESDAS

ESDAS was established in 1991 as a Joint Venture Company of HAVELSAN (Turkey) and SERCO (UK) to provide Technical and Logistic Support for Military and Commercial Electronic Systems

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So far, we have a Ukrainian company tied to Russian companies, tied to an American company, tied to a Canadian company and Turkish company tied to a UK

All of it seemingly based on military contracts and or information and cutting edge technology used by world militaries and NATO

You smell what I smell ?

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Serco does the classification for all incoming US patents ( Among quite a few other things worldwide )

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Huge company, read the page^^

Havelsan seems to be involved in cutting edge drones ( UAV's )

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
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And I thought India was outsourced more airforce parts?
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uncovered in the Infamous Panama Papers:

1. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and his partners in comedy production owned a network of offshore companies related to their business based in the British Virgin Islands, Cyprus, and Belize

2. Zelensky’s current chief aide, Serhiy Shefir, as well as the head of the country’s Security Service, were part of the offshore network

3. Offshore companies were used by Shefir and another business partner to buy pricey London real estate

4. Around the time of his 2019 election, Zelensky handed his shares in a key offshore company over to Shefir, but the two appear to have made an arrangement for Zelensky’s family to continue receiving money from the offshore
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okaaaaaayyyy

intadesting

Motor Sich is who makes the scramjet engines for the kh-55 subsonic air-launched cruise missile and it's variants ( A staple armament of Russian and Chinese military )

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

So...Motor Sich engines are in all those cruise missiles

Make sure you read that wiki page^^
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so.....if Motor Sich is now owned by a number of offshore companies in Cyprus, Panama, and Belize

....and Zelensky was implicated in the Panama papers as hiding money offshore

then this means that Zelensky might actually own a good bit of the company ( Motor Sich ) that is producing the engines in the cruise missiles Russia is using to bombard his own country

....if so......that is some evil fuckery of the highest levels


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