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Message Subject After the Tribulation: Revisited - NO Pre-Trib Rapture - KJV Bible Study Christian Theology
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The Pre-Trib rapture doctrine is a very dangerous one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74555520

Strange since its biblical.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 - "For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord. 18Therefore encourage one another with these words"
 Quoting: Just†Me

NO it isn't.

Compare what Paul says to what Jesus says. It's the SAME evevent - the Second Coming.

Thread: After the Tribulation Documentary - NO Pre-Trib Rapture

1. No scripture states that Believers / "the Church" will miss Tribulation.

2. No scripture states that Jesus returns BEFORE "the day of the Lord".

3. No scripture states that Jesus returns MORE than once.

4. No scripture states that Jesus takes "the Church" to heaven for any period of time.

5. No scripture states that Tribulation only happens to the Hebrews.

Jesus clearly states that it will encompase the entire Earth.

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The pre-trib rapture is based on this passage by Paul.

1 Thessalonians 4

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


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Key phrases.

0. "we which are alive and remain"

Those are Believers - including Elect - that weren't killed prior to Jesus' return. Remain from what? The Tribulation. These are the same that Jesus states 'he who overcomes' etc...

1. "THE coming of the Lord". Jesus returns once. No scripture states otherwise.

2. "trump of God". This is the "last trump" that Paul speaks of in 1 Corinthians 15:52. For further reference, see the Seven Trumpets of Revelation. This is echoed in Matthew 24.

3. "caught up together". This is the First Resurrection mentioned in Revelation.

4. "in the clouds". Jesus used the SAME phrase describing His Return.

5. "alive and remain" also matches the words "endureth to the end" (Matthew 10:22) "endure unto the end" (Mark 13:13) and "overcometh" (Revelation 2:26)

6. Jesus returns "after the Tribulation".

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation

of those days shall the sun be darkened,
and the moon shall not give her light,
and the stars shall fall from heaven,
and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:


7. Tribulation is not wrath. Scripture proves this.
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD


You are correct. There is no pre-tribulation rapture.I have read and re-read the Scripture, and even though we would like for this to happen, we are not going to be spared.
 Quoting: Tiger One


Zechariah 14 specifically talks about the great tribulation

which ends with Jesus standing upon the mount of Olives destroying God's enemies with a plague

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