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Every "Green" Electric Car Require Digging 500,000 lbs of Earth for Raw Materials

 
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And that, my friends, is the TRUTH!
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All for a car that lasts five years.
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So what? That's the volume of dirt equivalent to 4 electrics stacked on top of each other.

Mining front end loaders can move that amount of dirt in a minute.
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Luxury item
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A cubic yard of stone weighs 2700 pounds on average.

500000 lbs / 2700 lbs = 185 yards of stone.

185 / 3 = 62

Sqrt 62 = 7.8 ft

The result is a rock 8 feet wide by 8 feet long by 3 feet tall.

About the same size as a car.

Ops an idiot.
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Then they wrap it all in plastic made from fossil fuel & slap some 18s & phat rubber on it.

There's nothing green about it.
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See, that is why we should start mining asteroids, which we could capture and put in orbit around the moon or something for easy access, with a moon base for the worker's bunkers, which eventually becomes a fully fledged village/town/city as support people come online..
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5*

The supposed "green vehicles" are actually 7x-8x worse for the environment than their gasoline counterparts when all things are considered.

The only alternative fuel that shows some promise is hydrogen cell but there's still kinks to work out.
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A cubic yard of stone weighs 2700 pounds on average.

500000 lbs / 2700 lbs = 185 yards of stone.

185 / 3 = 62

Sqrt 62 = 7.8 ft

The result is a rock 8 feet wide by 8 feet long by 3 feet tall.

About the same size as a car.

Ops an idiot.
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And ALL of the machinery involved in digging, excavation, transportation of the dirt, processing equipment, separation equipment, refining equipment, and all of the byproducts of each of those steps (including the eventual hazardous waste disposal) uses diesel and plant generated (usually by coal and/or nuclear) electricity.

Assuming a lifespan of 10 years on a lithium car battery, it's 7x-8x more of an impact on the environment (when you consider all the above) than it would be driving a modern gasoline powered car for those same 10 years.
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What was the range of a Baker Electric with a full charge?
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It's probably the same for a regular car, as well, if you count the oil and everything else.
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And the sodium battery chemistries (which replace lithium) are??





(So Technology never advances???)
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Re: Every "Green" Electric Car Require Digging 500,000 lbs of Earth for Raw Materials
A cubic yard of stone weighs 2700 pounds on average.

500000 lbs / 2700 lbs = 185 yards of stone.

185 / 3 = 62

Sqrt 62 = 7.8 ft

The result is a rock 8 feet wide by 8 feet long by 3 feet tall.

About the same size as a car.

Ops an idiot.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79281006


And ALL of the machinery involved in digging, excavation, transportation of the dirt, processing equipment, separation equipment, refining equipment, and all of the byproducts of each of those steps (including the eventual hazardous waste disposal) uses diesel and plant generated (usually by coal and/or nuclear) electricity.

Assuming a lifespan of 10 years on a lithium car battery, it's 7x-8x more of an impact on the environment (when you consider all the above) than it would be driving a modern gasoline powered car for those same 10 years.
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I doubt it's 8x.

As if steel and plastic isn't refined..

As if gasoline isn't refined.
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Re: Every "Green" Electric Car Require Digging 500,000 lbs of Earth for Raw Materials
A cubic yard of stone weighs 2700 pounds on average.

500000 lbs / 2700 lbs = 185 yards of stone.

185 / 3 = 62

Sqrt 62 = 7.8 ft

The result is a rock 8 feet wide by 8 feet long by 3 feet tall.

About the same size as a car.

Ops an idiot.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79281006


And ALL of the machinery involved in digging, excavation, transportation of the dirt, processing equipment, separation equipment, refining equipment, and all of the byproducts of each of those steps (including the eventual hazardous waste disposal) uses diesel and plant generated (usually by coal and/or nuclear) electricity.

Assuming a lifespan of 10 years on a lithium car battery, it's 7x-8x more of an impact on the environment (when you consider all the above) than it would be driving a modern gasoline powered car for those same 10 years.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75637716


I doubt it's 8x.

As if steel and plastic isn't refined..

As if gasoline isn't refined.
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It's more than 8x... A lot more. Also steel and aluminum are required for EV's on top of the batteries. As are various oil based products.

That 500,000 pounds is assuming extremely high grade ores which are actually very uncommon and represent an absolute best case scenario.

Not to mention lithium and shit are not economical to recycle are insanely toxic and etc.

Electric cars are a fucking liability too beyond that. Ask EV owners outside of California if they can every day drive them or if they still need a gas powered vehicle too!

Even if electric cars themselves could somehow be made less of an ecological fucking disaster, that's only THE BEGINNING of the problems with them.

Let's say you get in a wreck bad enough for the battery pack to crack.

Guess what happens?

The lithium battery packs only start on fire if you're lucky, sometimes they outright explode.

But let's go back to the best case scenario of a fire.

Your electric cars battery pack is now on fire and releasing toxic fumes that one breath of can scar your lungs for life to a point where you can never life a normal life again because it corrodes the inside of your lungs.

But wait it gets worse!

Firefighters show up but none of their extinguishing gear can do anything but make it even worse!

But wait it still gets worse!

Unless your firefighters are specifically trained and equipped to deal with your burning car the overwhelming likelihood is that they will get you, themselves, and bystanders hurt unless they have about $200,000 worth of training and $500,000 worth of gear!

Not only are they likely to get everyone hurt worse, they will also make the ecological damage much worse too creating a hazmat zone in the area of the wreck that could cost upwards of one million dollars to properly remediate to the point where anyone passing through that area months or years later isn't still getting poisoned by the aftermath of your car wreck!

Now let's compare this to broad adoption of next generation reactors capable of synthesizing gasoline etc from seawater of other waste water.

With these modern nuke plants, which could also EASILY BEAT hydroelectric power for cost per kilowatt hour you don't have to do any of this stuff that creates real ecological disasters at every stage!

Because as much as I've already written about the environmental disaster that is electric cars I'm NOT EVEN CLOSE TO FINISHED.

If I were to list out ALL the damage destruction and cost to human life and the biosphere of electric vehicles etc if wouldn't be a forum post but a 200 page hardback bound specialty technical book that costs $199.

And this is really the problem with the world right now, the idiots running it have convinced a bunch of you idiots that this electric car and alternative energy future is possible when it's not, and will be hell on earth the more we try to make it so.
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Re: Every "Green" Electric Car Require Digging 500,000 lbs of Earth for Raw Materials
A cubic yard of stone weighs 2700 pounds on average.

500000 lbs / 2700 lbs = 185 yards of stone.

185 / 3 = 62

Sqrt 62 = 7.8 ft

The result is a rock 8 feet wide by 8 feet long by 3 feet tall.

About the same size as a car.

Ops an idiot.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79281006


And ALL of the machinery involved in digging, excavation, transportation of the dirt, processing equipment, separation equipment, refining equipment, and all of the byproducts of each of those steps (including the eventual hazardous waste disposal) uses diesel and plant generated (usually by coal and/or nuclear) electricity.

Assuming a lifespan of 10 years on a lithium car battery, it's 7x-8x more of an impact on the environment (when you consider all the above) than it would be driving a modern gasoline powered car for those same 10 years.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75637716


I doubt it's 8x.

As if steel and plastic isn't refined..

As if gasoline isn't refined.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80983294


It's more than 8x... A lot more. Also steel and aluminum are required for EV's on top of the batteries. As are various oil based products.

That 500,000 pounds is assuming extremely high grade ores which are actually very uncommon and represent an absolute best case scenario.

Not to mention lithium and shit are not economical to recycle are insanely toxic and etc.

Electric cars are a fucking liability too beyond that. Ask EV owners outside of California if they can every day drive them or if they still need a gas powered vehicle too!

Even if electric cars themselves could somehow be made less of an ecological fucking disaster, that's only THE BEGINNING of the problems with them.

Let's say you get in a wreck bad enough for the battery pack to crack.

Guess what happens?

The lithium battery packs only start on fire if you're lucky, sometimes they outright explode.

But let's go back to the best case scenario of a fire.

Your electric cars battery pack is now on fire and releasing toxic fumes that one breath of can scar your lungs for life to a point where you can never life a normal life again because it corrodes the inside of your lungs.

But wait it gets worse!

Firefighters show up but none of their extinguishing gear can do anything but make it even worse!

But wait it still gets worse!

Unless your firefighters are specifically trained and equipped to deal with your burning car the overwhelming likelihood is that they will get you, themselves, and bystanders hurt unless they have about $200,000 worth of training and $500,000 worth of gear!

Not only are they likely to get everyone hurt worse, they will also make the ecological damage much worse too creating a hazmat zone in the area of the wreck that could cost upwards of one million dollars to properly remediate to the point where anyone passing through that area months or years later isn't still getting poisoned by the aftermath of your car wreck!

Now let's compare this to broad adoption of next generation reactors capable of synthesizing gasoline etc from seawater of other waste water.

With these modern nuke plants, which could also EASILY BEAT hydroelectric power for cost per kilowatt hour you don't have to do any of this stuff that creates real ecological disasters at every stage!

Because as much as I've already written about the environmental disaster that is electric cars I'm NOT EVEN CLOSE TO FINISHED.

If I were to list out ALL the damage destruction and cost to human life and the biosphere of electric vehicles etc if wouldn't be a forum post but a 200 page hardback bound specialty technical book that costs $199.

And this is really the problem with the world right now, the idiots running it have convinced a bunch of you idiots that this electric car and alternative energy future is possible when it's not, and will be hell on earth the more we try to make it so.
 Quoting: roguetechie81


^^^THIS^^^
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The sodium battery seems interesting and promising...but what happens to the spent batteries? How are we going to deal with tons and tons of spent powdered sodium from old batteries?

Powdered sodium is very difficult to deal with, highly toxic and extremely reactive (explosive) with water.

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and is that more or less the amount of whales you killed for their oil then?
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Hmm. We need horse carts then
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and is that more or less the amount of whales you killed for their oil then?
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Electric cars along with the Green Climat Change Fraud are two of the biggest scams put on us next to the Bio Weapon Covid and accompanying Pseudo Vax.

It's a shame so many people, at least here in the US, lack critical thinking skills and discernment to see the ongoing abuse and evil that stares them right in their faces.
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Chyna is blowing up half Sweden for lithium
The PM just gave it away to NEVS.
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THANK GOD all the excavation and transportation and processing equipment to do this work is electric!!

Just imagine the CARBON FOOTPRINT if it weren't! Yikes!!
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Buht muh Elon Musk is out tech savior only trying to save the planet with his 90k Teslas.
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You guys are whining about lithium batteries as you post from your PC's and phones. Lmao. Real big brained takes.
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Can we make fuel from ashes?
I warm house first then put charcoal/ash in car.
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And that, my friends, is the TRUTH!
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