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Tynyyn
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Question for a construction General Contractor
I did a total gut and rebuild for a shower stall. After digging into the demo phase it was very apparent that termites had utterly chewed through all the existing framing studs exterior sheathing and subfloor.

The total bill for just the materials was $1900. I worked six days on this project with my wife beside me doing the scutt work.

How should I bill for the labor portion of this job? Total hours with a per hour rate or just match the materials cost?

Thanks
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1900x2 for labor
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What state are you in.
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What state are you in.
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Missouri

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A “contractor” would have a contract with the client before even buying the materials, and the price pre decided.
Upon discovery of the termite damage, the client must be informed and the contract amended to mutual satisfaction.

You bill by the job, or hours. Days has not thing to do with it.

It if you just want a number 1200 sounds fair, unless you are in CA or NY, then 1800
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What state are you in.
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Missouri
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How many hours for you and the wife each day
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What state are you in.
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Missouri
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How many hours for you and the wife each day
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Average of 7 per day. We didn't keep exact count.
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Lol get paid before they realize the termite damage isn't just the shower lol.
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You should show the homeowner what you found.

I doubt the termites stopped after eating the bathroom.

Entire house needs to be fumagated, and quite possibly repaired as well.

Insurance should kick in and pay you double the going rate.(at least for the termite damage)

As far as billing, did you give them an estimate to start?

A not to exceed $xxx estimate?

Time & materials estimate?

Definitely keep the owners in the loop. They dont like surprises.
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Call a contractor in your area and ask what his hourly rates are.
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A “contractor” would have a contract with the client before even buying the materials, and the price pre decided.
Upon discovery of the termite damage, the client must be informed and the contract amended to mutual satisfaction.

You bill by the job, or hours. Days has not thing to do with it.

It if you just want a number 1200 sounds fair, unless you are in CA or NY, then 1800
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What lol no way that's a 1200 job rule of thumb x2 materials
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Lol get paid before they realize the termite damage isn't just the shower lol.
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Oh, they know. Termite highway tunnels all over the foundation walls. Structural integrity issues as well, but that wasn't my problem. Owners of the house were told and visually was the damage.
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You should show the homeowner what you found.

I doubt the termites stopped after eating the bathroom.

Entire house needs to be fumagated, and quite possibly repaired as well.

Insurance should kick in and pay you double the going rate.(at least for the termite damage)

As far as billing, did you give them an estimate to start?

A not to exceed $xxx estimate?

Time & materials estimate?

Definitely keep the owners in the loop. They dont like surprises.
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Insurance company won't pay some random dude, come on man.
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Truth is,whatever materials cost,you have 2x that in labor.i lost enough money doing construction remodels to know.
You are going bankrupt if you dont.
2k means 6k.it sucks but thats the truth.customers dont want to hear it.
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$200 PER DAY.
YOUR POCKET OR THERE POCKET FOR $1900?
IF YOURS $500 ON TOP OF LABOUR.
GOD BLESS THE FUHRER!
GOTT MIT UNS
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Lol get paid before they realize the termite damage isn't just the shower lol.
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Oh, they know. Termite highway tunnels all over the foundation walls. Structural integrity issues as well, but that wasn't my problem. Owners of the house were told and visually was the damage.
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Just the same take the money and run.
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What state are you in.
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Missouri
 Quoting: Tynyyn


How many hours for you and the wife each day
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Average of 7 per day. We didn't keep exact count.
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6 hrs per day x 2 in a right to work state. Thats 12 hrs total per day or 72 Hours total. 72 x 25 = 1800.00 total labor and 1900.00 materials. $3700.00 If you have insurance I would increase that bill to cover that too. Thats with your wife helping you. You did most of the work yes. ?
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I did a total gut and rebuild for a shower stall. After digging into the demo phase it was very apparent that termites had utterly chewed through all the existing framing studs exterior sheathing and subfloor.

The total bill for just the materials was $1900. I worked six days on this project with my wife beside me doing the scutt work.

How should I bill for the labor portion of this job? Total hours with a per hour rate or just match the materials cost?

Thanks
 Quoting: Tynyyn


if it was new construction, then a doubling of materials is many times, close to what I've done. Although I never use materials cost as a guide for labor charges.

being that you had to do so much demo, materials cost is no way relevant.

A fair charge these days in most areas is $400 per day for skilled labor and $200 for unskilled. This market is nuts. I've seen guys charging $1000 a day and getting away with it.

I like to be fair, and that is what I'd charge. Maybe a little less if my wife was just kinda helping. The 200/day for unskilled is for a guy that is hustling.

good luck.
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Missouri
 Quoting: Tynyyn


How many hours for you and the wife each day
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Average of 7 per day. We didn't keep exact count.
 Quoting: Tynyyn


6 hrs per day x 2 in a right to work state. Thats 12 hrs total per day or 72 Hours total. 72 x 25 = 1800.00 total labor and 1900.00 materials. $3700.00 If you have insurance I would increase that bill to cover that too. Thats with your wife helping you. You did most of the work yes. ?
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$25/hr?

Did they just thaw you out?
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Missouri
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How many hours for you and the wife each day
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Average of 7 per day. We didn't keep exact count.
 Quoting: Tynyyn


6 hrs per day x 2 in a right to work state. Thats 12 hrs total per day or 72 Hours total. 72 x 25 = 1800.00 total labor and 1900.00 materials. $3700.00 If you have insurance I would increase that bill to cover that too. Thats with your wife helping you. You did most of the work yes. ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79079991


Yes, I did all the labor and the wife was my apprentice. What a mess. After opening the floor I was staring at six inches of water in the entire crawlspace. Had to go and purchase a sump pump and plumbing fittings to get the water out of the crawlspace. A inch and half pipe gushed water for 45 minutes before I could see the muddy dirt. This job went from an easy remodel to a frustrating endeavor.
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What state are you in.
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Missouri
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How many hours for you and the wife each day
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Average of 7 per day. We didn't keep exact count.
 Quoting: Tynyyn


Too dodgy to average your hours, then to claim afterwards the many extra hours the job took you.

Better idea is to take a photo when you start work each day, and upon ending the day of work, take another photograph.

Photographs are time-stamped, so there's no guessing. Photos can also chronicle the work done after each day.

Also if you have to go to the store for more materials, keep track of that and figure out if you decide to charge an hourly rate for that different from the hourly rate you charge for doing the work.
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A “contractor” would have a contract with the client before even buying the materials, and the price pre decided.
Upon discovery of the termite damage, the client must be informed and the contract amended to mutual satisfaction.

You bill by the job, or hours. Days has not thing to do with it.

It if you just want a number 1200 sounds fair, unless you are in CA or NY, then 1800
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80566692


HAHAHAHA.

bathroom remodel, 6 days for one skilled and one unskilled for $1200? Are you nuts? 48 hrs for two people? That comes to $12.50 an hour! Mcdonalds is paying $14.00 to start EVERYWHERE.

not sure where you live, but that might be normal for the ozarks, but in any city at all or even rural, everyone is billing at LEAST 35/hr and MUCH more in big cities.
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How many hours for you and the wife each day
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Average of 7 per day. We didn't keep exact count.
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6 hrs per day x 2 in a right to work state. Thats 12 hrs total per day or 72 Hours total. 72 x 25 = 1800.00 total labor and 1900.00 materials. $3700.00 If you have insurance I would increase that bill to cover that too. Thats with your wife helping you. You did most of the work yes. ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79079991


Yes, I did all the labor and the wife was my apprentice. What a mess. After opening the floor I was staring at six inches of water in the entire crawlspace. Had to go and purchase a sump pump and plumbing fittings to get the water out of the crawlspace. A inch and half pipe gushed water for 45 minutes before I could see the muddy dirt. This job went from an easy remodel to a frustrating endeavor.
 Quoting: Tynyyn


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Missouri
 Quoting: Tynyyn


How many hours for you and the wife each day
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79079991


Average of 7 per day. We didn't keep exact count.
 Quoting: Tynyyn


Too dodgy to average your hours, then to claim afterwards the many extra hours the job took you.

Better idea is to take a photo when you start work each day, and upon ending the day of work, take another photograph.

Photographs are time-stamped, so there's no guessing. Photos can also chronicle the work done after each day.

Also if you have to go to the store for more materials, keep track of that and figure out if you decide to charge an hourly rate for that different from the hourly rate you charge for doing the work.
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We call those jobs clusterfucks and you need to get on the guys advice.that mess has a hundred headaches.better cover your ass.termites and water,oh shit!
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A “contractor” would have a contract with the client before even buying the materials, and the price pre decided.
Upon discovery of the termite damage, the client must be informed and the contract amended to mutual satisfaction.

You bill by the job, or hours. Days has not thing to do with it.

It if you just want a number 1200 sounds fair, unless you are in CA or NY, then 1800
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80566692


What lol no way that's a 1200 job rule of thumb x2 materials
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Really? You’d charge $15,000 to put in a Viking stove?

You aren’t a contractor, and you have never dealt with a homeowner client.
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How many hours for you and the wife each day
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Average of 7 per day. We didn't keep exact count.
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6 hrs per day x 2 in a right to work state. Thats 12 hrs total per day or 72 Hours total. 72 x 25 = 1800.00 total labor and 1900.00 materials. $3700.00 If you have insurance I would increase that bill to cover that too. Thats with your wife helping you. You did most of the work yes. ?
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$25/hr?

Did they just thaw you out?
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Its more like he did all the work. He is 25 + 15 is 40 per hour. If he has insurance it should be a little more.
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A “contractor” would have a contract with the client before even buying the materials, and the price pre decided.
Upon discovery of the termite damage, the client must be informed and the contract amended to mutual satisfaction.

You bill by the job, or hours. Days has not thing to do with it.

It if you just want a number 1200 sounds fair, unless you are in CA or NY, then 1800
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80566692


What lol no way that's a 1200 job rule of thumb x2 materials
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74512732


Really? You’d charge $15,000 to put in a Viking stove?

You aren’t a contractor, and you have never dealt with a homeowner client.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80566692


uh. that's an appliance, not 'materials'. You are not familiar with the terminology.

I've charged over double of materials many times when it was labor intensive.
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There is no insurance claim on this project. Not my call, just what the client wants.

So after reading the comments the labor costs should be from $1500 to $3900.

Lots to mull over. I appreciate ya'lls input.

Last Edited by Tynyyn on 03/18/2022 08:59 PM
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A “contractor” would have a contract with the client before even buying the materials, and the price pre decided.
Upon discovery of the termite damage, the client must be informed and the contract amended to mutual satisfaction.

You bill by the job, or hours. Days has not thing to do with it.

It if you just want a number 1200 sounds fair, unless you are in CA or NY, then 1800
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80566692


What lol no way that's a 1200 job rule of thumb x2 materials
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74512732


Really? You’d charge $15,000 to put in a Viking stove?

You aren’t a contractor, and you have never dealt with a homeowner client.
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Contractor here for 35 years if you don't know what to charge then just x2 the material some jobs you can't do that but wood work you can.also I would never install a stove to much liability.
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There is no insurance claim on this project. Not my call, just what the client wants.

So after reading the comments the labor costs should be from $1500 to $3900.

Lots to mull over. I appreciate ya'lls input.
 Quoting: Tynyyn


i'll throw one more out if you're still there.

If you felt you were slower than someone else would be due to lack of experience, I'd charge $25/hr + $17 for your wife.

If you are highly skilled with years of experience and you kick ass, then $50/hr and $20 for the wife.

bathrooms are always tricky and contractors charge bank. MUCH more than I am now suggesting.

next time, put it all down in writing and then give updates if there are any changes such as hidden damage. and..as said before, take pictures.

good luck
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There is no insurance claim on this project. Not my call, just what the client wants.

So after reading the comments the labor costs should be from $1500 to $3900.

Lots to mull over. I appreciate ya'lls input.
 Quoting: Tynyyn


i'll throw one more out if you're still there.

If you felt you were slower than someone else would be due to lack of experience, I'd charge $25/hr + $17 for your wife.

If you are highly skilled with years of experience and you kick ass, then $50/hr and $20 for the wife.

bathrooms are always tricky and contractors charge bank. MUCH more than I am now suggesting.

next time, put it all down in writing and then give updates if there are any changes such as hidden damage. and..as said before, take pictures.

good luck
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Yeap
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Out here in California I would charge at least $500 a day labor for time and material.





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