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Anonymous Coward User ID: 82242744 ![]() 03/20/2022 04:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm not a Christian, but I met Jesus in the astral once. I told him to bugger off at first because I didn't believe he was who he said he was, but then he proved his identity to my satisfaction. He was cool and had a great sense of humor! Quoting: Lazy Monk I also called on his help one time when I had gotten myself into more trouble in the astral than I could handle, picking a fight with some demonic entities far above my pay grade. He bailed me out without breaking a sweat, and they fled in terror. In fact, he even left a golden aura around me that has left me protected ever since. That's all. I don't know if that counts as a "full, personal relationship" or not, but it's good enough for me. If someone else hangs out with Jesus differently it's none of my business and I couldn't give a fuck. Interesting! That's awesome...... do you still feel the effects of this experience? |
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The_Gardener User ID: 82259943 ![]() 03/20/2022 04:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Actually, "Christian" was a pejorative term given to the church by its enemies. In Acts of the Apostles it was simply called the "Way" echoing back to the prophecy of Isaiah 35. Isaiah 35 8And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The Way of Holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring pilgrims, though fools, shall not err therein. 9No lion shall be there, nor any ravenous beast shall go up thereon, it shall not be found there; but the redeemed shall walk there: 10And the ransomed of the LORD shall return, and come to Zion with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads: they shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away. Last Edited by The_Gardener on 03/20/2022 04:06 PM Who is a liar more than one who denies that Jesus is the Messiah? One who denies the Father and the Son is antichrist. Whosoever denies the Son does not have not the Father, either. - 1 John 2:22-23 Daily Prayer & Scripture Reading [link to www.parishprayer.org (secure)] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 82242744 ![]() 03/20/2022 04:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Actually, "Christian" was a pejorative term given to the church by its enemies. Quoting: The_Gardener In Acts of the Apostles it was simply called the "Way" echoing back to the prophecy of Isaiah 35. Isaiah 35 8And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The Way of Holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring pilgrims, though fools, shall not err therein. 9No lion shall be there, nor any ravenous beast shall go up thereon, it shall not be found there; but the redeemed shall walk there: 10And the ransomed of the LORD shall return, and come to Zion with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads: they shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away. ![]() |
Servant-of-the-LORD User ID: 50201889 ![]() 03/20/2022 04:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mark 7 20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: 23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man. I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 82527451 ![]() 03/20/2022 04:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mark 7 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD 20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: 23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man. I'm not sure what you're saying.... How does YOUR relationship with Yahshua look? How does it feel? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77861487 ![]() 03/20/2022 04:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | An interesting question from the wilderness. If you have a personal relationship with Jesus, then you are a Christian. A better question would have been a Christian and a relationship with God. However, why would someone want a personal relationship with Jesus outside Christianity since Jesus was either a man, a false prophet, or a prophet depending on the religion. We make the presumption of Jesus being God in all Western culture based on Christian beliefs. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79864421 ![]() 03/20/2022 04:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | An interesting question from the wilderness. If you have a personal relationship with Jesus, then you are a Christian. A better question would have been a Christian and a relationship with God. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77861487 However, why would someone want a personal relationship with Jesus outside Christianity since Jesus was either a man, a false prophet, or a prophet depending on the religion. We make the presumption of Jesus being God in all Western culture based on Christian beliefs. Well, that's an interesting question from the wilderness.... If someone believes another must belong to a specific "club" for lack of a better word, then what do you do with: Paul said in Romans 1:19–20 that, ever since the creation of the world, God has made the knowledge of Himself evident to all people: “They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God” (NLT). |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79864421 ![]() 03/20/2022 04:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm not a Christian, but I met Jesus in the astral once. I told him to bugger off at first because I didn't believe he was who he said he was, but then he proved his identity to my satisfaction. He was cool and had a great sense of humor! Quoting: Lazy Monk I also called on his help one time when I had gotten myself into more trouble in the astral than I could handle, picking a fight with some demonic entities far above my pay grade. He bailed me out without breaking a sweat, and they fled in terror. In fact, he even left a golden aura around me that has left me protected ever since. That's all. I don't know if that counts as a "full, personal relationship" or not, but it's good enough for me. If someone else hangs out with Jesus differently it's none of my business and I couldn't give a fuck. Interesting! That's awesome...... do you still feel the effects of this experience? Yes, in that the "protective aura" seems to still be there. I can't see or feel it, but I notice the effects. Before this event I could sometimes be overcome with dark emotions out of nowhere, as if I was being oppressed by some entity from the spirit side. At such times I had to pray/meditate hard until it passed. This has never happened since the "intervention" event. It just stopped, and I am always at peace. Anyway, when people say "Jesus saves and protects them" I can't really say they're wrong, because the dude is known to do just that, if you ask for it. haha! I do believe most of what average Christians think are preconditions for being accepted by Jesus is BS though. He's very open minded IMO. What I learned in my encounter with him, is that we humans are his body, pretty much as if we were cells. In other words, we exist in him, as part of him. We are individuals, and he is also an individual (of a higher order), but we are at the same time his body and part of him. He showed this to me, and that is what made me accept that he was indeed who he said he was. He did this by bending my knees so I fell to the ground before him and slapping my hands together, like a textbook praying child, while I was filled with the knowing "every knee shall bend to him". I can make a muscle cell in my body move, and Jesus can likewise make me move, because I am part of his body (as are we all). And so yes, every knee will bend to him. Fact! The only reason we have free will and agency, is because he allows us to have it. But I'm not afraid he'll ever take away the privilege, he is just way too cool for that! The usual Christian idea of Jesus seems so petty to me. The Jesus I met was anything but. And that's literally all I know, I have no further experiences with him to share. Thank you. I agree with your conclusion.... One (stupid) question...... How did you KNOW who this was? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 82532002 ![]() 03/20/2022 04:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I prefer the name Yahshua and will use that name throughout this thread. Quoting: *I am Herrere* Do you have a full, personal relationship with YAHshUA? What does that look like for you? What do you do if someone else's relationship doesn't look like yours, or what you think it's supposed to look like? How do you handle that? OH HELL NO.... FOR JESUS DID NOT EVER START SUCH A RELIGION. |
danielbarzohar User ID: 37998008 ![]() 03/20/2022 04:49 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Exactly. Religion is man's attempt to please the Creator. A relationship with the Creator is how one actually pleases the Creator. Yahshua provided his words and life to show the way to connect to the creator. Be one with your Creator and use Its source energy to do the works of the Creator. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 82527451 ![]() 03/20/2022 04:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I prefer the name Yahshua and will use that name throughout this thread. Quoting: *I am Herrere* Do you have a full, personal relationship with YAHshUA? What does that look like for you? What do you do if someone else's relationship doesn't look like yours, or what you think it's supposed to look like? How do you handle that? OH HELL NO.... FOR JESUS DID NOT EVER START SUCH A RELIGION. But he DID start a revolution , yes? Against doctrine, against manmade laws ..... he taught us how the way to the Father. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77861487 ![]() 03/20/2022 04:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | An interesting question from the wilderness. If you have a personal relationship with Jesus, then you are a Christian. A better question would have been a Christian and a relationship with God. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77861487 However, why would someone want a personal relationship with Jesus outside Christianity since Jesus was either a man, a false prophet, or a prophet depending on the religion. We make the presumption of Jesus being God in all Western culture based on Christian beliefs. Well, that's an interesting question from the wilderness.... If someone believes another must belong to a specific "club" for lack of a better word, then what do you do with: Paul said in Romans 1:19–20 that, ever since the creation of the world, God has made the knowledge of Himself evident to all people: “They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God” (NLT). Your question was about Jesus not God. First, you must define who Jesus was. Then, go from there. If you are saying Jesus was God, then you are a Christian and you are asking your question based on your Christian beliefs. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 82527451 ![]() 03/20/2022 04:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | An interesting question from the wilderness. If you have a personal relationship with Jesus, then you are a Christian. A better question would have been a Christian and a relationship with God. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77861487 However, why would someone want a personal relationship with Jesus outside Christianity since Jesus was either a man, a false prophet, or a prophet depending on the religion. We make the presumption of Jesus being God in all Western culture based on Christian beliefs. Well, that's an interesting question from the wilderness.... If someone believes another must belong to a specific "club" for lack of a better word, then what do you do with: Paul said in Romans 1:19–20 that, ever since the creation of the world, God has made the knowledge of Himself evident to all people: “They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God” (NLT). Your question was about Jesus not God. First, you must define who Jesus was. Then, go from there. If you are saying Jesus was God, then you are a Christian and you are asking your question based on your Christian beliefs. Well, at this point, I'm not defining anything......especially with your tone. The question was, what's your relationship with "Jesus" look like? You took it in another direction. So, what does YOUR full, personal relationship with Jesus look like? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79386144 ![]() 03/20/2022 04:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What I learned in my encounter with him, is that we humans are his body, pretty much as if we were cells. In other words, we exist in him, as part of him. We are individuals, and he is also an individual (of a higher order), but we are at the same time his body and part of him. Quoting: Lazy Monk A part of the Body of Christ, never apart. When you meet him there is no denying it. He first came to me in a dream twenty years ago. I asked "Are you?" He smiled and said "Yes." He went on to show me what was coming to prepare for now. The most beautiful being I've ever seen. The perfect embodiment of the potential every human has. He said we would do what he did and more. He wants us to become like him, to become Christlike. To heal our wounds, to love one another. Funny and gentle. His voice so soothing even when he needs to be firm to lead towards correcting errors made in the way. He is and always will be. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81448642 ![]() 03/20/2022 05:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Christ is a spirit. The light that you see at the “end of the tunnel”. The Bible is a messed up compilation of NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCERS. Back in the day they were made SAINTS. Today they they are locked up in mental institutions. He’s there for everyone; atheist, agnostics and all religions. The Religions of today for the most part are a HOAX. Life is death and death is life. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 82497658 ![]() 03/20/2022 05:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What I learned in my encounter with him, is that we humans are his body, pretty much as if we were cells. In other words, we exist in him, as part of him. We are individuals, and he is also an individual (of a higher order), but we are at the same time his body and part of him. Quoting: Lazy Monk A part of the Body of Christ, never apart. When you meet him there is no denying it. He first came to me in a dream twenty years ago. I asked "Are you?" He smiled and said "Yes." He went on to show me what was coming to prepare for now. The most beautiful being I've ever seen. The perfect embodiment of the potential every human has. He said we would do what he did and more. He wants us to become like him, to become Christlike. To heal our wounds, to love one another. Funny and gentle. His voice so soothing even when he needs to be firm to lead towards correcting errors made in the way. He is and always will be. ![]() |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77861487 ![]() 03/20/2022 05:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | An interesting question from the wilderness. If you have a personal relationship with Jesus, then you are a Christian. A better question would have been a Christian and a relationship with God. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77861487 However, why would someone want a personal relationship with Jesus outside Christianity since Jesus was either a man, a false prophet, or a prophet depending on the religion. We make the presumption of Jesus being God in all Western culture based on Christian beliefs. Well, that's an interesting question from the wilderness.... If someone believes another must belong to a specific "club" for lack of a better word, then what do you do with: Paul said in Romans 1:19–20 that, ever since the creation of the world, God has made the knowledge of Himself evident to all people: “They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God” (NLT). Your question was about Jesus not God. First, you must define who Jesus was. Then, go from there. If you are saying Jesus was God, then you are a Christian and you are asking your question based on your Christian beliefs. Well, at this point, I'm not defining anything......especially with your tone. The question was, what's your relationship with "Jesus" look like? You took it in another direction. So, what does YOUR full, personal relationship with Jesus look like? I have a great relationship with Jesus and pray 3 times a day. Defend your questions and beliefs; and be prepared to act as a martyr in very trying times to come. |