Nag Hammadi texts: On the Origins of the world

Gnostic Gnonsense.

"Demiurge"?

It's hilarious that you gnostics glorify Thomas...

...and yet the quotes of Jesus he recorded talk about...

..."the Father".

Jesus' Father - OUR Father.

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Saying 44: Blasphemy

Jesus said, "Whoever blasphemes the Father will be forgiven, and whoever blasphemes the Son will be forgiven, but whoever blasphemes the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, neither on earth nor in heaven."

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Gnosticism is anti-Semitic.

Yet Thomas was an Israelite - so was Jesus.

The Nag Hammadi manuscripts were found in Egypt.

Many of the Egyptians would have a good reason for haing the God of the Hebrews.

Right, right typical religous (Christian) response! Laugh away my friend laugh away..

The Jesus that your talking about IS NOT THE REAL CHRIST! Since you brought up a part of the scriptures im gonna bring something up that was excluded from the bible (obviously if you understand extreme manipulation and evil)!

"He who you saw on a tree glad and laughing this is the living Jesus, but the ones who's nails are driven into thy fleshy parts is the substitute being put to shame, the one who came to be in his likeness but look at him and look at me"

The Apocalypse of Peter

The Christ you are bringing up good fellow is Simon Magus (Thoth as Christ) and is not the real Christ and the real Christs message got distorted and people didnt get the message of the real Christ and instead began worshipping the man of flesh Christ rather than getting the message..

The Nag Hammadi texts also mention this..and this is from Yeshua

"I was about to succumb to fear, and I <suffered> according to their sight and thought, in order that they may never find any word to speak about them. For my death, which they think happened, (happened) to them in their error and blindness, since they nailed their man unto their death. For their Ennoias did not see me, for they were deaf and blind. But in doing these things, they condemn themselves. Yes, they saw me; they punished me. It was another, their father, who drank the gall and the vinegar; it was not I. They struck me with the reed; it was another, Simon, who bore the cross on his shoulder. I was another upon Whom they placed the crown of thorns. But I was rejoicing in the height over all the wealth of the archons and the offspring of their error, of their empty glory. And I was laughing at their ignorance."


The real Christ (Yeshua) also says "not only are they worshipping a man of flesh but they are even worshipping the wrong man"!

Christ never wanted to be worshipped because he thought it served(s) him no benefit!

Absolute facts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What do you have to say about this? Oh let me guess, blasheme right...smh

Gnosticism is spirituality while the major religions are hermetic and address the soul and various dimensions/heavens within the patrix! Contrary to the soul however spirit is immortal and cannot be destroyed! Gnosticism is "not" a religion my friend, its a way of life when one couples knowledge with wisdom! They gain they're own gnosis (which differs person to person) and will live in pure spirit!

The being you are talking about whether you want to call him God, Allah, Krishna, Yaldaboath, Lucifer, Vishnu, Ooanes, En..ki, The Lord, The Father (Yes he is the father of modern day humans but he genetically manipulated us his creations so what does this mean? *rhetorical*) or otherwise he is "NOT" tHE Highest God so talk your blashpheme talk all you want, it is what it is! You may pray to him, you may follow him, praise him and worship him but he will not get an iota of energy from me! All 5.5-7 billion of the people (all of you) can have your Sakla and follow and defend him to the very far ends of the cosmos, you'll soon learn. Oh wait you cant learn because after lifetime you are given amnesia! lol right by the same being who claims to love you (us his creations)
You can talk that blashpheme nonsense but i am not the one being decieved although yes i admit that just because i am not religious it does not mean i am not prone to his (The Fathers) manipulation i still know my path and what i want to do when i "exit" this place! You on the other hand it seems like you will be following the Father in heaven and even sit besides his throne lol. Am i right?

I have my beliefs (fluid) and im not going ANYWAHERE near where YOUR going and trust me i am SO fine with that!

This has nothing to do with "where" the nag hammadi texts were founded it has to do with soul, spirit, this trap, who's in control, the manipulation, what is keeping us trapped here as a soul group and the bigger overall picture. THATS what its about!

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Right, right typical religous (Christian) response! Laugh away my friend laugh away..In your ignorance you dont even know what The Demiurge means let alone what it entails..

The Jesus that your talking about IS NOT THE REAL CHRIST! Since you brought up a part of the scriptures im gonna bring something up that was excluded from the bible (obviously if you understand extreme manipulation and evil)!

"He who you saw on a tree glad and laughing this is the living Jesus, but the ones who's nails are driven into thy fleshy parts is the substitute being put to shame, the one who came to be in his likeness but look at him and look at me"

The Apocalypse of Peter

The Christ you are bringing up good fellow is Simon Magus (Thoth as Christ) and is not the real Christ and the real Christs message got distorted and people didnt get the message of the real Christ and instead began worshipping the man of flesh Christ rather than getting the message..

The Nag Hammadi texts also mention this..and this is from Yeshua

"I was about to succumb to fear, and I <suffered> according to their sight and thought, in order that they may never find any word to speak about them. For my death, which they think happened, (happened) to them in their error and blindness, since they nailed their man unto their death. For their Ennoias did not see me, for they were deaf and blind. But in doing these things, they condemn themselves. Yes, they saw me; they punished me. It was another, their father, who drank the gall and the vinegar; it was not I. They struck me with the reed; it was another, Simon, who bore the cross on his shoulder. I was another upon Whom they placed the crown of thorns. But I was rejoicing in the height over all the wealth of the archons and the offspring of their error, of their empty glory. And I was laughing at their ignorance."


The real Christ (Yeshua) also says "not only are they worshipping a man of flesh but they are even worshipping the wrong man"!

Christ never wanted to be worshipped because he thought it served(s) him no benefit!

Absolute facts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What do you have to say about this? Oh let me guess, blasheme right...smh

Gnosticism is spirituality while the major religions are hermetic and address the soul and various dimensions/heavens within the patrix! Contrary to the soul however spirit is immortal and cannot be destroyed! Gnosticism is "not" a religion my friend, its a way of life when one couples knowledge with wisdom! They gain they're own gnosis (which differs person to person) and will live in pure spirit!

The being you are talking about whether you want to call him God, Allah, Krishna, Yaldaboath, Lucifer, Vishnu, The Demiurge, Ooanes, En..ki, The Lord, The Father (Yes he is the father of modern day humans but he genetically manipulated us his creations so what does this mean? *rhetorical*) or otherwise he is "NOT" tHE Highest God so talk your blashpheme talk all you want, it is what it is! You may pray to him, you may follow him, praise him and worship him but he will not get an iota of energy from me! All 5.5-7 billion of the people (all of you) can have your Sakla and follow and defend him to the very far ends of the cosmos, you'll soon learn. Oh wait you cant learn because after lifetime you are given amnesia! lol right by the same being who claims to love you (us his creations)
You can talk that blashpheme nonsense but i am not the one being decieved although yes i admit that just because i am not religious it does not mean i am not prone to his (The Fathers) manipulation i still know my path and what i want to do when i "exit" this place! You on the other hand it seems like you will be following the Father in heaven and even sit besides his throne lol. Am i right?

I have my beliefs (fluid) and im not going ANYWAHERE near where YOUR going and trust me i am SO fine with that!

We do go where our belief takes us so if someone believes in a lofty Heaven and there may even be a "God" on a throne sitting there or place with Krishna or Allah then thats where your gonna go and what you'll experience after physical death.

However these places (locations) are just virtual realities and or temporary abodes before a soul is recycled back on Earth...... THIS is within the what people call the matrix but its actually the patrix where Saturn (Yaldaboath) is the seventh Heaven, this is the heaven of "God" (See Yaldaboath)!

I want nothing to do with the Father as i have mention so many times already and i know that true Source/All That Is is within me and not something external to me although (he, it, she) exists in the middle of all universes or all that is!

Funny enough The Lord (Yaldaboath) says he created the universe in the bible and in the vedic texts and in the quran however he "did not" create the universe! He was given authority over Sophia creation the physical universe after she had created him without her consort and created him out of ignorance! She "gave him authority" over her creation the physical universe and it is in this part of the universe the universe of atoms where he has placed himself here as God a very long time ago!

To be fair, here, how is any of this absolute fact?

Know one even knows who wrote the Gnostic gospels. They were written after the life of Jesus and you are intensely arguing in favor of your beliefs over another. How is that representative of Spirit? Why are you projecting a lot of accusations toward this person about what they believe when you are just as defiantly defending yours? What if the Gnostic gospels are the disinformation and the canonical gospels closer to the truth? Can't that also be possible? If one is considered untruth then certainly the other can also be given the same consideration, to be fair and balanced in this discussion. So far, I have read your posts, and I am writing this in all kindness, but just because you have come to a conclusion about something does not necessarily make it factual. These are your beliefs, and you are arguing that your beliefs are better than another's. Why? You're even downright insulting to this poster for someone who says that we need to gain Gnosis to become less reactive. What about self-control? What about humility? What about consideration? Why the need to say all of this in such a way? Why the need to say anything at all? Why not quietly and reverently sit with your beliefs and be content with that? Why not allow others to do the same? You say that you are not religious, and yet your very fervent need to tell others what you believe is, in itself, a religion and you are witnessing to others on behalf of this self-made religion. No, not an organized one (unless there are more of you), but certainly a religion unto yourself. Occasionally, I will get someone knocking on my door or approaching me with their testimony - usually LDS (Mormons) or Jehovah's Witness. They will have some written words to hand out and prepared a very convincing witness about their doctrine or lexicon. Their enthusiasm and mission to convert people to their beliefs are very strong. This reminds me of that. You've come to an internet forum with your mission, instead, with all manner of people here, and so some people are going to metaphorically shut the door in your face. Some are even going to be downright rude and call what you are preaching bullshit. You have a very broad audience that you are engaging with here, so some emotional responses are expected.

All I am doing, Ghaelean, is pointing out that you think extremism in religion usually leads to battles and that it is wrong, and I agree with that but what is going on with you and some of the others in these threads is how something like that starts. Can you see that? You're a little extreme. There are others here who are just as extreme in their own beliefs which contradict yours. If you butt heads with someone who is just as extreme in their beliefs then you are displaying the very thing you are speaking against. You are saying, "I'm right, and YOU'RE wrong!" Sometimes quiet confidence is a better display of strength than exclamation marks.

For you to respond to mocking with even more vicious mocking is certainly NOT a quality of Spirit, in my opinion.

Something to think about, I hope.

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This video is utterly bullshiite. Gnostic texts are 250 years newer than the Tanakh books found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. They are nothing more than Hebrews-hatiing propaganda.

Hebrews? Lol this goes to show your ignorance! Gnosticism does not address "race", sects, or groups of people etc at all it has nothing to do with those things. The gnostics are addressing "spirit"

Thankfully ignorance is "not" bliss!

Doesn't have to address culture but clearly ignores the FACT that Jesus and ALL the Apostles were Hebrews.

Their heritage - and scriptures they quoted - were from the Tanakh / Septuigint / Old Testament.

The Old Testament testified that God would SEND someone - a Messiah. Jesus was & is that Messiah.

Gnostic texts IGNORE all of that.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

'The heaven' is everything above earth.

It's where the stars and planets are.

It's also where the 'kinggdom of heaven' is.

No 'universe'?

'Sophia'? Written by ancient feminists.

Clearly you have not gone through or researched the nag hammadi texts because they mention two Christs at least two times. You are completely missing the bigger picture! It doesnt matter at all what "culture", "race", group, Christ or his disciples are from, clearly there were two Christs thats all thatmatters. People have a problem with always wanting to label and assign culture and this and that to everything when it holds 0 relevance to the scheme of things. You also did not read comments on this thread because i even brought this up in quote and someone else did as well. You are only looking at and seeing what "you want to lokk at asnd see" Are your beliefs fluid? Do you look into other ancient texts to connect the dots? If you did i feel like you wouldnt even mention this at all.

Its about the messege! Its about addressing "spirit" Soul/spirit/mind has no color! Yes we identify with it and are proud of our races and our culture but we have to look beyond that, its an experience!

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More religious jargon and of course ignorance! Orion is matriarchal and is ruled by the Queen Sophia! Should something happen to Sophia, Prince En.lil Jr aka Ninurta is the next in line to lead the Empire!

Yes the Heaven (Dimensions) are above Earth of course they are but do you know that there are five heavens within earth? I would assume no based off your comments. There are five heavens below the seven which essentially are the upper parts of earth's atmosphere, its a copy!

The Heaven(s) "your" talking about is the patrix ie the seven heavens ie the solar system where Saturn is the seventh Heaven. The "Highest Heavens", the 8th and 9th are Orion and this is where Sophia, Prince En.lil Jr (Second in command of Orions military might) and The Khna dwell, beyond that is the void or spirit universe what we essentially know as dark matter and dark energy!

The "Kingdom" you are talking about is Lord Ea's kindgdom! You go where where your belief takes you and you have your own path so "go with the father" Me on the other hand im going towards freedom and i dont care at all for these heavens in the patrix, my path involves going to the absolute highest aspect of myself which exists beyond this realm (See Demiurge)

No universe? What are you even talking about? You are not reading to comprehend what it is someone has said..

Sophia? ....Once again you are not aware of the existence of higher angelics and are most likely focused on the "angels" and guides in heaven which in your confusion you think there is only the heaven of God (Yaldaboath) Haha, not surprised in a bit. Femmenist? lol Another ignorant comment, you do not even know what you speak of (Patriarchy & Matriarchy).

Show me that you are not ignorant after all with a follow up response to this post. Please show me!

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If the Gnostic texts contain allegory and metaphors, couldn’t this be describing killing the mortal man vs killing the eternal spirit? One was killed but the other was not. It reads like there are two “Jesus”, but for people of that time and culture who are not aware that the eternal spirit cannot be killed or that it is even a part of who they really are this is the way the authors chose to describe it. Could be?

This is babbling nonsense.

NONE of the Gnostic texts date to before the 1st Century AD.

It's all propaganca by people who don't accept the Hebrews Tanakh / Septuigint / Old Testament.

'Queen Sophia'???? Show us just ONE thing that she EVER did.

You can't.

Meanwhile....evidence of what Father God did...

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There are many gnostic texts that existed BEFORE the Flood of Noah.

On the Origins of the World is actually older than any of the Abrahamic religions.

Most Christians though are massive idiots who believe everything their church masters tell them. Don't think, just Obey. Your overlords love your ignorance.

Your dark satanic church masters didn't burn all the books and knowledge they could find sending Europe into a dark age for you to go and do something sinful like thinking.

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Sophia IS the Holy Spirit.

All spirit is Sophia. All soul is God.

Every Electron in existence is Sophia the Mother, just as every proton is God the Father.

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Yet you seem to reject what is in the Middle of Them or should I said at the center of them and through the infinite binding of the vacuum and that can radiate simultaneously towards everything.!!

I didn't reject it, I simply didn't bring it into the picture because I was talking about Sophia, not God the Father or Source the Forefather.

I was simply trying to explain that Sophia is part of everything within this reality.

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Nop You don't get IT lol Funny But It's normal

What is in The Middle is not The Source or God the Father or Source the Forefather.

Reason why I said that thing is The Incomprehensible.

In reference to "absolute facts" I was it was at Yeshuas statement about not wanting to be worshipped and that Christ thought it served him no benefit! Worshipping is not a good thing today and it never was a good thing ever. When someone worships another being or deity they give they're own personal power away and its based on fear! Even people do this to celeberties but its more about idilozation than that.

The Nag Hammadi texts were written around the same time as Plato! Since they were being killed, other gnostics had to go in hiding with they're work and go underground..Even still they felt that this type of knowledge (light) was worth dying for and even a part of the texts mention that it the texts werent written neccesarily back then but for our time.

I would like to let it be known that im not claiming to know the whole truth or have all the answers, nor am i pushing any beilief onto anyone, why would i? I couldnt anyway, we all have our own beliefs. However what i am expressing is a mix of truth, some hypothesis, some theories after having connecting many dots over the years.Dont take my word for it do your own research! If people can resonate with what im saying partiall, as a whole or not at all its they're right and why would i talk down on that!? Its not me projecting things to people, if you read most of the post in this thread you'd see taht i resopectfully addressed those that respectfully addressed me ie responded to a post i made. Telling me im blashemous and that im going to be condemned etc is not cool nor the way to go.

Gnosticism is an inversion of Christianity and not the other way around. The nag hammadi texts "cant" be disinformation because once again the gnostics were being hunted down and killed for this type of "knowledge". It shows the ill intentions of these beings and just what it means on a bigger scale! If i say something is facts i'll state it as such. Yes i have opinions but this is beyond some "opinion" The nag hammadi texts to me are more of a "feeling" that its truth and that type of knowledge is heart felt!

If someone insults me im gonna insult them back period. If they show that they can intellectually discuss a topic we can do so but i do not tolerate trolling or ignorant comments. We have differences and thats to be respected whethere they be of beliefs, race etc. We have differences but we have many similarities as well (human)

I adressed everything else you said in the earlier part of this post. I am not a guru, preacher or etc of any kind. I am heavily into esoteric, metaphysics and consider myself of somewhat of a mystic! This is why its important for me to have fluid beliefs!

If there is anything ellse you'd wish to discuss or if you have any other questions i'd be glad to answer and or address them!

Our spirit comes from Sophia while our soul comes from Yaldaboath (God)! Agreed!

We are of the sun soul wise and thus a "star race" one of many! Im convicted that the universe is teeming with life that we cant perceive.

Our souls are made up of star dust and star stuff in the astral!

1 star new age trash thread. Please discard all that OP has said

Far from anything "New Age" my friend! This type of "knowledge" is clearly not for everyone! I would not give your thread 1 star so how could you be so mean!? lol