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Who will God exalt. The unbeliever who loves or the believer who has no love.

 
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Belief is love. You can’t be a believer and not be caring. Neither can you be a non believer and be caring. How you live shows what you are, belief has nothing to do with it. You are just confused by years of mental programming brought to you buy the church.
Living the gospel of Christ is an action not a thought.
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Ummmm.....only one problem with your story dude....according to scripture God is in heaven and we used to be through adam and eve...but we were cast out to the earth we now live in where Satan also dwells since he was cast out as well for taking part in tricking adam and eve...So instead of blaming God you should be blaming Satan.
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You are short on reading comprehension.

“God” and “Satan” are one in the same being, opposing polarities of the same energy being, and your bible is a metaphorical/allegorical mix of truth and fiction, designed to keep you blind to the reality of this world’s god and the prison you are in.

Jesus came to teach us how to escape the prison, but the REAL god of this world had him murdered and the truth of his teachings forever buried and hidden.

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I can see that this isn’t your first rodeo... you’ve obviously looked into these matters deeply, and from a position of reason. I’ve come to similar conclusions, although I believe that God and Satan are entirely different beings.

Jesus came to free us, but they weren’t all that successful at burying his teachings. They are there, if you really look for them. That this place is a loosh farm for the demonic is beyond question, but you can stop feeding them if you really get to know and understand Christ, and follow His teachings.

I think you’ve got most of this figured out, but this forum wouldn’t tolerate the discussion I’d very much like to have with you on these matters. Would you be offended if I prayed for you? I think you might be pleasantly surprised.
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You pray to a vampiric parasite.

Hard pass.

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“Mental slavery is the worst form of slavery.
It gives you the illusion of freedom,
makes you trust, love, and defend your oppressor,
while making an enemy of those
who are trying to free you or open your eyes.”
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-Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

“You have been programmed to resist the very person that is here to set you free, from the prison of your Mind... You are not free... everything you are has been manufactured by Minds that have not your best interest. You are imprisoned by beliefs and not reality. Religions are mental programs to imprison your Mind.”

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A 'believer' who does not love is not a believer.

Jesus said to love your neighbor as yourself. Without that you are not following Christ.
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Re: Who will God exalt. The unbeliever who loves or the believer who has no love.
That's a ridiculous question. First, the whole world is guilty so there's not one righteous--salvation comes to the humble and meek because of what Jesus did on the cross. Lucifer is the god of this world and the DECEIVER of the whole world. So everyone here followed him here, then had our true Father's Son crucified.

So everyone stands as a treasonous murderer in his eyes. Just because you love some people in your life doesn't take away the treason and murder charges right?

Also, scripture says NO ONE comes to the Father unless He is drawn by the Father. This world is in complete darkness with a demonic realm influencing all decisions. Everyone will be broken, humbled, hurt until contrite and repentant understanding who they are.
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Even the most loving person is nothing more than a barrel full of sin in God's eyes.

Only through faith in Jesus Christ can those sins be washed clean.

Human "love" is defined by humans, and many humans have different definitions of "love".

If you try to use human rationale to justify it, you're automatically wrong. The human mind can comprehend God or holiness.
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Let’s say the believer does give tithes. And does pray in Jesus name. And goes to church like they are supposed to do. However When the hungry comes to them, they do not feed. Maybe they pray to God, God help them or save them. But they don’t feed them. Or they see someone without shoes. And pray send them new shows. But give not their own shoes .


Now for the unbeliever

-does not pray in Jesus name. He has is own way of worship.
-maybe even cusses out God, calls him a tyrant and all kinds of vulgar language
-gives his money to charities for the poor and hungry
-when the hungry come to him, he feeds them.
-when the unbeliever sees a homeless man with no shoes, he takes his shoes off and gives them to him


Now who will God exalt ?

The one who gives lip service but is lukewarm , or the one who is cold as ice yet gives everything they can to the needy.
 Quoting: Seekingtruthandhonor 82659173


Simple

Neither.

"He who humbles himself will be exalted, he who exalts himself will be humbled."

Love and humility are not mutually exclusive nor do "loving" people equal self-effacing people

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Christ's commands are twofold: repent of your evil deeds and do good for your fellow man.
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Suppose I refuse to “repent” of my so-called “evil deeds” (given the fact I don’t view myself as “sinful”), yet I care for my fellow man and give generously to those in need?

That’s a rhetorical question, by the way. No need to answer it, because I don’t need the approval of Jesus, nor do I require forgiveness by your god.

But I would love to see the look on christian faces if they see MY ass in their heaven. chuckle

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All dogs go to heaven.
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Even the most loving person is nothing more than a barrel full of sin in God's eyes.

Only through faith in Jesus Christ can those sins be washed clean.

Human "love" is defined by humans, and many humans have different definitions of "love".

If you try to use human rationale to justify it, you're automatically wrong. The human mind can't comprehend God or holiness.
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Edit: corrected "can" to "can't"
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Let’s say the believer does give tithes. And does pray in Jesus name. And goes to church like they are supposed to do. However When the hungry comes to them, they do not feed. Maybe they pray to God, God help them or save them. But they don’t feed them. Or they see someone without shoes. And pray send them new shows. But give not their own shoes .


Now for the unbeliever

-does not pray in Jesus name. He has is own way of worship.
-maybe even cusses out God, calls him a tyrant and all kinds of vulgar language
-gives his money to charities for the poor and hungry
-when the hungry come to him, he feeds them.
-when the unbeliever sees a homeless man with no shoes, he takes his shoes off and gives them to him


Now who will God exalt ?

The one who gives lip service but is lukewarm , or the one who is cold as ice yet gives everything they can to the needy.
 Quoting: Seekingtruthandhonor 82659173

On cannot buy one's way into heaven with good works.

Many who profess to be Christians are not really believers. You can know these people by their lack of love and charity.
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Let’s say the believer does give tithes. And does pray in Jesus name. And goes to church like they are supposed to do. However When the hungry comes to them, they do not feed. Maybe they pray to God, God help them or save them. But they don’t feed them. Or they see someone without shoes. And pray send them new shows. But give not their own shoes .


Now for the unbeliever

-does not pray in Jesus name. He has is own way of worship.
-maybe even cusses out God, calls him a tyrant and all kinds of vulgar language
-gives his money to charities for the poor and hungry
-when the hungry come to him, he feeds them.
-when the unbeliever sees a homeless man with no shoes, he takes his shoes off and gives them to him


Now who will God exalt ?

The one who gives lip service but is lukewarm , or the one who is cold as ice yet gives everything they can to the needy.
 Quoting: Seekingtruthandhonor 82659173


There is only one thing that manifests belief: action.

What you do demonstrates what you believe. That's all. Jesus (in frustration, I believe) said, "Look, if you must have a religion, here it is: care for the widows and the orphans."

Nothing more. How many Christians have you seen that have supported (financially, emotionally, physically in a family context) a single woman or an orphan? lol

Most Christians kick their daughters out of the home at 18... thereby making them widows by the biblical definition.

Hell will be filled with people that say, "Lord Lord!" but didn't do anything that Christ would have done.

The believer. An unbeliever's deeds no matter how filled with love and goodness, are like filthy rags to God. Look up the original text for filthy rags ; )
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lol
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The usual single mothers are not widows by Biblical definition.

They are clearly mentioned in the Bible separately from the widows.



Nice try trickster.
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Oxymoron post.


The desert that's wet, or the ocean that's dry?
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I see Moron478 making an oxyMoronic post here, Doc.stonerpopcorn












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Re: Who will God exalt. The unbeliever who loves or the believer who has no love.
They both will be exalted or transcend. Each in a different time perhaps. If it has a soul. Source is not angry. We punish ourselves until we learn and evolve. You think this little trip to earth for say seventy or eighty years is a one time thing? Source or God is infinite and so are we all. The creator did not make a one time chance. The creator loves all.

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There have been examples of Yah working through thieves, drug addicts, kings, servants etc.

You cannot know one’s heart. Believer or unbeliever. Only he can read the books of life and DOES judge accordingly.

Perhaps you should be more focused on your walk than others. Lest you be found guilty of judging situations you cannot understand.

Prayer and kindness go far. So does putting on the full armor of YAH. This is a spiritual battle. Be careful pointing fingers. Pride comes before the fall.

No one can judge your walk in truth but TRUTH itself.

When judgment day arrives, you will not be able to point fingers anywhere but at yourself. You are responsible for you.

“Those in glass houses” ..ya know
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Are you trying to rationalize not believing in Jesus or something? An unbeliever doing good works is still going to hell.
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The unbelievable lover shall be the exalted one.
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Repentance and humility are strengths not weaknesses.
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But I would love to see the look on christian faces if they see MY ass in their heaven. chuckle


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Do you want to spend eternity with Jesus?
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What I want is to have my fuckin FREEDOM back.

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 Quoting: Zovalex


Who took your freedom ? How are you not free ?

What needs to happen to have your freedom back?

You say back. Was there a time you were here before . And you were free?

These are not sarcastic questions. I am asking because I want to know your opinion.
 Quoting: Seekingtruthandhonor 82659173


The elite believe they are our divine creator. They use their ego and pride to rationalize their actions. What are their actions they rationalize? Enslaving humanity through their "games". It's quite sick...pray for them, they need it.

Also, to op...Why do you care who God exalts? Only the ego tells you there are winners or losers on Earth.
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What about the believer who curses God for making him live through this stupid movie that he already knows the ending of?
Are we being punished for something we have no memory of? Is this just an exercise in pain so we know what it feels like? A little more information would be nice.
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Works predicated values are as filthy rags.
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If you loved your creator and yourself, you'd try to find out His real name first.
You call Him "god" - He will never exalt you.
Your consciousness is made in His image. Go from here.
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What about the believer who curses God for making him live through this stupid movie that he already knows the ending of?
Are we being punished for something we have no memory of? Is this just an exercise in pain so we know what it feels like? A little more information would be nice.
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Would a true believer curse GOD? The fruits of the Ruach are given to believers along with a new heart, of wisdom.

Seek until you find.
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At the day of judgment you will not be able to point at anyone other than yourself. At that point it becomes clear why.

In a house of mirrors reflections are awareness.
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Re: Who will God exalt. The unbeliever who loves or the believer who has no love.
Let’s say the believer does give tithes. And does pray in Jesus name. And goes to church like they are supposed to do. However When the hungry comes to them, they do not feed. Maybe they pray to God, God help them or save them. But they don’t feed them. Or they see someone without shoes. And pray send them new shows. But give not their own shoes .


Now for the unbeliever

-does not pray in Jesus name. He has is own way of worship.
-maybe even cusses out God, calls him a tyrant and all kinds of vulgar language
-gives his money to charities for the poor and hungry
-when the hungry come to him, he feeds them.
-when the unbeliever sees a homeless man with no shoes, he takes his shoes off and gives them to him


Now who will God exalt ?

The one who gives lip service but is lukewarm , or the one who is cold as ice yet gives everything they can to the needy.
 Quoting: Seekingtruthandhonor 82659173


Simple....if you know your scripture.....The one who believes in Jesus....The only way to the father is through the son.
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Yea agreed but I believe each will in the eternity when it is their time
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke
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Let’s say the believer does give tithes. And does pray in Jesus name. And goes to church like they are supposed to do. However When the hungry comes to them, they do not feed. Maybe they pray to God, God help them or save them. But they don’t feed them. Or they see someone without shoes. And pray send them new shows. But give not their own shoes .


Now for the unbeliever

-does not pray in Jesus name. He has is own way of worship.
-maybe even cusses out God, calls him a tyrant and all kinds of vulgar language
-gives his money to charities for the poor and hungry
-when the hungry come to him, he feeds them.
-when the unbeliever sees a homeless man with no shoes, he takes his shoes off and gives them to him


Now who will God exalt ?

The one who gives lip service but is lukewarm , or the one who is cold as ice yet gives everything they can to the needy.
 Quoting: Seekingtruthandhonor 82659173


Simple....if you know your scripture.....The one who believes in Jesus....The only way to the father is through the son.
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Yea agreed but I believe each will in the eternity when it is their time
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Their eternity may not look like others eternity
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Why do you all think that your scriptures haven't been altered?
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Re: Who will God exalt. The unbeliever who loves or the believer who has no love.
The only one to be exalted is the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

God is not in the business of exalting mere men.

Those that are 1. Born again. And then 2. Do good works that line up with Gods word thru the holy spirit will receive rewards for such in glory.

Your question is flawed and out of context with scripture and the kingdom of God, but a good question nonetheless.

The judgement will pertain to your love, your works, your walk. The judgement doesnt pertain to your sins or salvation because God has already judged Satan and secured salvation for believers thru Jesus Christ's work on the cross as the only begotten.
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Christ's commands are twofold: repent of your evil deeds and do good for your fellow man.
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Suppose I refuse to “repent” of my so-called “evil deeds” (given the fact I don’t view myself as “sinful”), yet I care for my fellow man and give generously to those in need?

That’s a rhetorical question, by the way. No need to answer it, because I don’t need the approval of Jesus, nor do I require forgiveness by your god.

But I would love to see the look on christian faces if they see MY ass in their heaven. chuckle

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What a pathetic ego
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At the day of judgment you will not be able to point at anyone other than yourself. At that point it becomes clear why.

In a house of mirrors reflections are awareness.
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1 CORINTHIANS 13


1If I could speak all the languages of earth and of angels, but didn’t love others, I would only be a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I had the gift of prophecy, and if I understood all of God’s secret plans and possessed all knowledge, and if I had such faith that I could move mountains, but didn’t love others, I would be nothing. 3If I gave everything I have to the poor and even sacrificed my body, I could boast about it; but if I didn’t love others, I would have gained nothing.

4Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud 5or rude. It does not demand its own way. It is not irritable, and it keeps no record of being wronged. 6It does not rejoice about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out. 7Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance.

8Prophecy and speaking in unknown languages and special knowledge will become useless. But love will last forever! 9Now our knowledge is partial and incomplete, and even the gift of prophecy reveals only part of the whole picture! 10But when the time of perfection comes, these partial things will become useless.

11When I was a child, I spoke and thought and reasoned as a child. But when I grew up, I put away childish things. 12Now we see things imperfectly, like puzzling reflections in a mirror, but then we will see everything with perfect clarity. All that I know now is partial and incomplete, but then I will know everything completely, just as God now knows me completely.

13Three things will last forever—faith, hope, and love—and the greatest of these is love.



1 Corinthians 13: 1 - 13
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Ahh yes another well known false prophet, yet truly.. there is no wisdom in your false preachings, let alone common sense to connected any dot whatsoever?.

Love is what we are anyway, and your hope is as good as Steve Jobs.

So what is good is your charity under iniquity of evil deeds?.

And den again, where is your faith?.

If I were to speak in the language of men, or of Angels, yet not have charity, I would be like a clanging bell or a crashing cymbal.

And if I have prophecy, and learn every mystery, and obtain all knowledge, and possess all faith, so that I could move mountains, yet not have charity, then I am nothing.

And if I distribute all my goods in order to feed the poor, and if I hand over my body to be burned, yet not have charity, it offers me nothing.

Charity is patient, is kind. Charity does not envy, does not act wrongly, is not inflated.

Charity is not ambitious, does not seek for itself, is not provoked to anger, devises no evil.

Charity does not rejoice over iniquity, but rejoices in truth.

Charity suffers all, believes all, hopes all, endures all.

Charity is never torn away, even if prophecies pass away, or languages cease, or knowledge is destroyed.

For we know only in part, and we prophesy only in part.

But when the perfect arrives, the imperfect passes away.

When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I understood like a child, I thought like a child. But when I became a man, I put aside the things of a child.

Now we see through a glass darkly. But then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know, even as I am known.

But for now, these three continue: faith, hope, and charity. And the greatest of these is charity. - 1 Corinthians 47:1-13 Vulgate


pennywise

“My days are past, my plans are torn apart, even the wishes of my heart. They make night into day, saying, ‘The light is near,’ in the presence of darkness.

If I look for Sheol as my home, I make my bed in the darkness; if I call to the pit, ‘You are my father’ [G H.W 'King Akhenaten, Nebuchadnezzar, Herod, Uzziah a.k.a Azazel the Angel of Perdition' Bush]; to the worm, ‘my mother and my sister’ [Queen 'Amezarak, Belial & Nefertiti' Elizabeth II and Hillary 'Queen Jezebel & Herodia' Clinton].

Where now is my hope? And who regards my hope? Will it go down with me to Sheol? Shall we together go down into the dust?” - [Steve] Job 17:11-16
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Why do you all think that your scriptures haven't been altered?
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I think one’s perception is what makes things out of alignment. Humanity has altered history, yes what is written on the heart is never altered. Just out of alignment at times.





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