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BREAKING: Ralph Nader Running for Prez as Independent

 
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Nader put Bush in the White House. I'll never forgive him for that.


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I see. Nader coerced all those Gore supporters.
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Nader put Bush in the White House. I'll never forgive him for that.



I see. Nader coerced all those Gore supporters.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6764

No, he pulled enough progressives from the Gore campaign to allow Bush to steal the election.

Many, many progs regret those votes.
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his 0.0002% showing wont even hurt Ron Paul
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America needs a parlimentary system. Imagine the independent parties with Ralph and Ron at the lead, or Greens with Cynthia, and a whole lot more, ALL voting their conscious.
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Re: BREAKING: Ralph Nader Running for Prez as Independent
Nader put Bush in the White House. I'll never forgive him for that.



I see. Nader coerced all those Gore supporters.

No, he pulled enough progressives from the Gore campaign to allow Bush to steal the election.

Many, many progs regret those votes.
 Quoting: TexasT

Right, it was the voters' fault, no one else's.
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America needs a parlimentary system. Imagine the independent parties with Ralph and Ron at the lead, or Greens with Cynthia, and a whole lot more, ALL voting their conscious.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 323477

I would love that, actually.

Unfortunately, when the country was founded, the founders weren't too fond of the parliamentary system.

We would have to have a constitutional convention to change it, and I for one, am unwilling to do that in this political climate.
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Re: BREAKING: Ralph Nader Running for Prez as Independent
Nader put Bush in the White House. I'll never forgive him for that.



I see. Nader coerced all those Gore supporters.

No, he pulled enough progressives from the Gore campaign to allow Bush to steal the election.

Many, many progs regret those votes.

Right, it was the voters' fault, no one else's.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6764

Of course it wasn't just the voters' fault. I think we are all aware of the coup of 2000.
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Nader put Bush in the White House. I'll never forgive him for that.



I see. Nader coerced all those Gore supporters.

No, he pulled enough progressives from the Gore campaign to allow Bush to steal the election.

Many, many progs regret those votes.
 Quoting: TexasT


But as Ralph says he pulled in votes from independents and those who would never have voted in the first place.

Without a party to the left, the Dems would have no idea what is left, or centre. And without a party to their left they would shamelessly move right past the centre snuggling as close as possible to the Repubs.

And so they still do.

That's why Ralph and Cynthia are necessary.

All's the Dems have to do is adopt their policies, or invite them to their convention to do some old fashioned horse trading.

If they dont, it is their own fault whatever the result.
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Nader put Bush in the White House. I'll never forgive him for that.



I see. Nader coerced all those Gore supporters.

No, he pulled enough progressives from the Gore campaign to allow Bush to steal the election.

Many, many progs regret those votes.


But as Ralph says he pulled in votes from independents and those who would never have voted in the first place.

Without a party to the left, the Dems would have no idea what is left, or centre. And without a party to their left they would shamelessly move right past the centre snuggling as close as possible to the Repubs.

And so they still do.

That's why Ralph and Cynthia are necessary.

All's the Dems have to do is adopt their policies, or invite them to their convention to do some old fashioned horse trading.

If they dont, it is their own fault whatever the result.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 323477


I agree, the top runners need to LISTEN.

It's the same reason Huckabee is still in. Unless McCain REALLY screws up, then he's there for the conventioneers.
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i write in for Lyndon LaRouche every election.Or Willie Nelson.
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Nader didn't put Bush in the White House! Diebold and ES&S and Katherine Harris and hanging chads and the elimination of thousands of disenfranchised black voters did.

However, I don't see the point for him to run again. If anyone runs as an independent, it should be Ron Paul. Of course, Diebold and ES&S won't let Paul win.


If you want real elections, it is not time to throw the tea in the harbor. It is time for brave souls to throw voting machines in the harbor.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." William Shakespeare
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and so it begins
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I hope independants reject him like the plague.

In fact I hope Ron Paul comes out idependent or Libertarian and sucks all of Naders votes away.

Nader sucks dick!
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I like Nader. He is a good man. But, he needs to know when to fold 'em!
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." William Shakespeare
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Nader sucks dick!
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That seems to be a prerequisite for the office these days.
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Nader didn't put Bush in the White House! Diebold and ES&S and Katherine Harris and hanging chads and the elimination of thousands of disenfranchised black voters did.

However, I don't see the point for him to run again. If anyone runs as an independent, it should be Ron Paul. Of course, Diebold and ES&S won't let Paul win.


If you want real elections, it is not time to throw the tea in the harbor. It is time for brave souls to throw voting machines in the harbor.
 Quoting: Claycat



You are wise ClayCat!!!



Z
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Thanks, Zack! hf
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." William Shakespeare
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Nader is a great guy and he's help Americans a lot in earlier years. But his time to run for president is past. He's not electable. He's just going to muddy the waters.

Obama is going to win the primary and he'll run against ??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 160240

The great thing about democracy is that any citizen if they really wanted too, can run as an independant for the US president job position. Democracy isn't restricted to just two political parties remember!
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Nader is a great guy and he's help Americans a lot in earlier years. But his time to run for president is past. He's not electable. He's just going to muddy the waters.

Obama is going to win the primary and he'll run against ??

The great thing about democracy is that any citizen if they really wanted too, can run as an independant for the US president job position. Democracy isn't restricted to just two political parties remember!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 334639

The great thing about democrocy?????outweighs what we witness and complain about each and every second??????GO ORGANIC AND DONT PANIC-see -k .Dont mix theology and poli triks.Yet that is what we have.
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Nader is a closet republican, McCain has no chance of beating Obama outright so they put old boy Ralph in to steal votes.



I think you might be right.
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Re: BREAKING: Ralph Nader Running for Prez as Independent
THE PIMPS AND SHILLS AT NBC/G.E./UNIVERSAL KNEW EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE DOING WHEN NADER'S STAFF CONTACTED MEET THE PRESS AND REQUESTED A 15 MINUTE SOAPBOX PLATFORM TO ANNOUNCE HIS CANDIDACY

WE HAVE A LEGIT ANTI WAR, ANTI COLLECTIVIST ALTERNATIVE VOICE IN THIS ELECTION RACE, ITS RON PAUL. SADLY MR. RUSSET POTATO(E) HEAD CANNOT FIGURE THIS OUT. WAS IT WORTH MILKING SOME AUDIENCE SHARE AGAINST THE OTHER SUNDAY MORNING TALK?

CHEAP CRASS STUNTS LIKE THIS ARE NOT GOING TO BE TOLERATED ANYMORE

ANY DAMN FOOL CAN THROW HIS HAT INTO THE RING 13 MONTHS INTO A TWO YEAR LONG ELECTION PROCESS, ITS A FREE COUNTRY

ESPECIALLY ONE WHO IS DOOMED AND WILL ONLY SERVE TO SIPHON OFF 2 MILLION VOTES IN THE GENERAL ELECTION FROM THE DEMS

WHICH ~COULD~ GIVE MCCAIN A MARGIN TO WIN

EVERYONE IS FREE TO WEAR SUNSCREEN, AND THEY ARE ALSO FREE TO BOYCOTT FUCKING NBC/G.E./UNIVERSAL FILMS/SHOWS/PRODUCTS

NEED A NEW LIGHTBULB? LOOK ELSEWHERE FOR THE NEXT 30 DAYS AND TEACH THESE ASSWIPE MEEDJA CLOWNS A REAL LE$$ON

NBC IS MORE FUCKING CONCERNED AT THE MOMENT WITH WHO WILL PLAY 'FAUXBAMA' ON SKITS THIS ABORTED SEASON ON S.N.L.

SHOW THEM WE MEAN BUSINESS
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Bush cheated in the election, and the Supreme Court lackeys backed him...end of story.
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Oh give it up, neither Kerry or Gore even had enough actual support to even run a second time.
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02/24/2008 08:09 PM
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Nader is such a complete sellout. It is so obvious. How is he getting paid for his services? Really. The Bush's declare their support for John Mccain and just days later Ralph decides to run...the Bush political team sure know how to get the best bang for their buck.
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Nader didn't put Bush in the White House! Diebold and ES&S and Katherine Harris and hanging chads and the elimination of thousands of disenfranchised black voters did.

However, I don't see the point for him to run again. If anyone runs as an independent, it should be Ron Paul. Of course, Diebold and ES&S won't let Paul win.


If you want real elections, it is not time to throw the tea in the harbor. It is time for brave souls to throw voting machines in the harbor.



You are wise ClayCat!!!



Z
 Quoting: zacksavage


Your right Nader didn't put Bush in the White House, he is just a part of the overall strategy to remove as many votes as possible from the dems. The neocons and their special interest groups have many tactics and strategies for siphoning votes away from whoever their democratic opponent might be.
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Re: BREAKING: Ralph Nader Running for Prez as Independent
Nader put Bush in the White House. I'll never forgive him for that.
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The 2000 election was totally staged just like 2004 and the 2008 elections.

Bush, Gore, Nader, Hillary, Obama, McCain. All Globalist puppets. The last real President was Kennedy.

Americas been sliding downhill into a cesspit of tyranny and enslavement ever since the Globalists blew Kennedy's brains all over Dealey Plaza.
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America needs a parlimentary system. Imagine the independent parties with Ralph and Ron at the lead, or Greens with Cynthia, and a whole lot more, ALL voting their conscious.
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Parlimentary systems were never adopted in America because the Majority party totally rules in a parlimentary system while all of the minor parties are squashed or marginalized from the political process. Basically it's an organized form of "mob rule".

The Founding Fathers intended for America to be a Constitutional Republic that respects the rights of all parties, including minority parties, in making legislative changes as well as in elections via the electoral college.

Unfortunately, the Constitutional Republic has been incrementally hijacked and taken over during the last century by a virtual parlimentary system controlled by the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission, both of which have members in the House of Representatives, the Senate, the Supreme Court and the Presidency who control the machinations of both the Democratic and Republican parties.

Both the Democrats and Republicans continue to propagate different rhetoric in order to maintain the illusion of choice for the ignorant, dumbed down public while covertly pushing forward the same agenda for the elite; total enslavement.
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Re: BREAKING: Ralph Nader Running for Prez as Independent
Thank You, Mr. Nader!
By Ted Lang
2-24-8

Making an exception this Sunday morning, and needing to nurse an aching back, I decided to light down gingerly in my favorite couch and switched on the worse-than-useless Sunday morning TV political blab sessions. My timing was perfect. I caught NBC's "Meet the Press" with Tim Russert just as it was about to start. I don't like Russert ­ he comes across like a wisenheimer know-it-all, and a very left-based one at that. I really flipped out when this interviewer of very small brain attacked, rather than listened to, physician and Congressman Ron Paul a while back, the only real American candidate running for president.

But today, Russert introduced consumer advocate, environmentalist and attorney, Ralph Nader. Now look; I'm not a liberal, a progressive, a tree-hugger or a polar bear fan; and I don't believe in global warming as an issue we humans can resolve. How the hell does the left propose to control sun spot activity?! But as I had once offered in the matter where Al Gore stuck to his political and journalistic base of knowledge, I wrote commending him on his rock-solid criticism of the Cheney-Bush crime machine on strictly constitutional issues. Unfortunately, Gore withdrew back into his unbalanced area of non-expertise: protecting Earth from God's mistakes.

The "interview" with Dr. Paul was heavily punctuated with Russert's barbs, but not so with Mr. Nader's air time. In an unexplained period of silence signifying genuine curiosity and inquisitiveness very unusual for "journalists" of our non-functional MSM, Russert remained quiet for a long time after asking whether or not Nader intended to run as a third party candidate. Nader asked Russert to allow him to first frame his answer before making a commitment, and to his credit, Russert did just that.

Nader pointed out the horrific corruption of the Bush regime, which none of the candidates have really done. As an attorney, Nader pointed out that professional attorney associations and bars around the nation are horrified at the egregious violations of the Constitution that have been hastily established, as well as all the civil rights infringements that have been perpetrated by the Cheney-Bush crime machine. He made a point of how the Democratic Party's advantage in Congress hasn't benefited the American people in the least. He stated that the American people are disenfranchised from their government, and are disillusioned with both political parties. And he pointed out the "third rail" of the entire Middle East problem, the unbelievable license given to Israel in Palestine. In other words, he stated reality and the truth. His run at the windmill is strikingly similar to that of Congressman Paul. In fact, he can be said to be the left's Ron Paul.

How refreshing! And now, finally, a real DUAL choice in American politics. Of course, Nader differs with Dr. Paul by supporting big government programs to solve America's social and political challenges, now made all the worse by Cheney-Bush, the GOP, and the do-nothing to go-along Democratic Party. Dr. Paul would offer that American government is already too big. But both Paul and Nader are on the money pointing out the wasteful spending on "defense" due to the Cheney-Bush lie of preemptive defense, which is both offensive and constitutes an unnecessary and illegal invasion of a country that did US no harm. And Nader pointed out the problems with American labor created by our government, mentioning in particular the labor-crushing burden of Taft-Hartley in terms of its restrictions on labor organization.


Nader didn't precisely follow Paul's lead on the Federal Reserve, but pointed out how the wasteful defense budget is causing deficits and is devaluating our money and thereby destroying savings and retirees' pension protections. Nader made it clear that he "came to Washington 40 years ago" to help America and Americans, and he's going to take another shot at it. "In that context I have decided to run for president," he said.

Of course, that set Marxist MSMer Russert off. Coming on with that wisenheimer smirk, Russert decided to point out that Nader will be running for president yet a third time, and that the last time he did this, he helped put George Bush in the White House. Russert offered that Democratic Party operatives blame Nader and his Green Party for stealing the critical votes in Florida in 2000 that allowed the Supreme Court to pick Bush. Russert didn't get much further.

Nader fired back that Florida was Bush Country, and the elections were fixed. He cited members of the military whose votes weren't counted, Democratic strongholds where local GOP officials refused to allow citizens to vote, and a heavily biased Supreme Court. He pointed out that Gore couldn't even carry his home state of Tennessee. And as far as the Democratic Party viewing him as a spoiler, he asked Russert: "What's been going on for the last seven years?" He made clear that the Democrats had more than ample opportunity to address the issue of removing Cheney-Bush and failed to do so. In other words, screw the Democratic Party!

He cited the fact that only 28 percent of America sides with Bush. Obviously with such an unfavorable level of citizen support, impeachment would be a cakewalk. And although Nader didn't use the "I" word, it was readily apparent that he despised Democrats for their non-action that has brought America to this state.

I am a registered Republican, once again, for one reason: Ron Paul. I supported him in the primary and financially, offering the largest contribution I have ever made to a politician running for office. I went against the advice of my wife, and the advice of Dr. Walter Williams, who, during his presentation at the Foundation for Economic Education in Irvington, New York several years ago asked: "Why would you freely give money to a politician?" I can answer that question now ­ just look what the wrong ones who made it to office have done to our country and our Constitution.

I will always vote for that individual that aligns most closely with the Constitution, its Bill of Rights, individual freedom, and an honest, moral approach in dispensing power and authority. Ron Paul comes much closer to this than does Nader; but nevertheless, Nader comes a lot closer than Hillary, Obama and Crazy John "Madman" McCain! Go for it Mr. Nader, and thank you!

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Ted Lang is a political analyst and freelance writer.
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Re: BREAKING: Ralph Nader Running for Prez as Independent
I reckon they'll change the legislation to allow GWB to stand for a third term.

Either that, or the Military will take over the country and place GWB as the new dictator until death do he part.

Imagine that? Scary?





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