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What is really going on in Ukraine ?

 
Dogsbollocks

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What is really going on in Ukraine ?
The information war all over the internet is really bad. It is hard to form a balanced opinion.

Twitter the only real source for information coming out of Ukraine, is in reality just an Echo Chamber for fervent Russia Haters.

There is virtually nothing on Twitter what you can form an opinion on. Other than Videos of Bodies being moved from A-B etc for PR. Stuff they want you to see to influence you.

And occasionally crisis actors popping up in similar style videos.

What is the real truth on the ground war wise in Ukraine though ?.

Random no marks, and their random Tweets say Russia is losing badly. That material losses are unsustainable. Offering nothing in evidence, other than their own opinion. That Russia is down to its last couple of Dozen Kalibr Missiles. That Russian forces have been routed and have fully retreated to the East of Ukraine. That Ukraine Military is currently refitting, and restocking Missiles for the final Battle to obliterate Russian forces and declare total victory.

Sure that might be the case.....Why then only show the same fucking contentious images over and over.

WTF are we supposed to make of it all ?

When you think back to wars in Iraq etc with embedded reporters. It was easier to get a feel for what was going on.

Now we are just hearing random shit, supported by random suspect media. And getting random Uncle Intel on GLP.

Disturbing how controlled the internet has become.

Even on GLP they are like Flies on Shit when anyone questions the official narrative.

Thoughts.
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Re: What is really going on in Ukraine ?
Either:

Russia wants to conquer Ukraine as part of Putin's plan to rebuild the USSR

Or:

Russia is trying to overthrow Nazis who've taken over the Ukrainian government against the will of the people.

And then you've got retards throwing in idiotic conspiracies like "Putin is fighting the deep state and saving children from child trafficking tunnels under Chernobyl."
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Re: What is really going on in Ukraine ?
The accounts on Twitter are at least consistent.

I will say that.

They are all saying the same thing. Russian invasion has been an un-mitigating disaster.

They are losing 3,000 Tanks a day etc.

Then they post a picture of a Tank stuck in a Field.

we should be seeing pictures of miles of Roads full of burning Vehicles, with crispy Russian bodies hanging out of them surely ?

Same with Planes.

Another 30 Russian Planes shot down today they say.

Then show a picture of one SU Plane burning in a field impossible to identify. It could easily be Ukrainian.
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Re: What is really going on in Ukraine ?
Ukrainians have been dropping artillery on people of the Donbass region for over 8 years now. Ukrainians have tried to ban people from speaking Russian for a while now. I have read that the Ukrainians were massing just outside the Donbass region to attack and finally remove the rebels once and for all ..then Putin stepped in and said nope! And that why so many Ukrainians troops were encircled in eastern Ukraine. But who knows what's really happening over there.
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Re: What is really going on in Ukraine ?
The accounts on Twitter are at least consistent.

I will say that.

They are all saying the same thing. Russian invasion has been an un-mitigating disaster.

They are losing 3,000 Tanks a day etc.

Then they post a picture of a Tank stuck in a Field.

we should be seeing pictures of miles of Roads full of burning Vehicles, with crispy Russian bodies hanging out of them surely ?

Same with Planes.

Another 30 Russian Planes shot down today they say.

Then show a picture of one SU Plane burning in a field impossible to identify. It could easily be Ukrainian.
 Quoting: Dogsbollocks


You can read the site Oryx Blog for an unbiased examination on losses from both sides.
Dogsbollocks  (OP)

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Re: What is really going on in Ukraine ?
Is it out there with "Flat Earth"

To maybe consider the entire thing might be an elaborate act.

Sure I know this sounds ridiculous. I can not believe I am even saying it.

Just Something feels very fucky about the whole thing.

The Hapless Putin the supposed 5d strategist suddenly walking right in to a fight in Ukraine like a drunk in a Bar. Was really strange.

Then you have US/NATO throwing the metaphorical Kitchen sink at Russia economically. It feels really reckless to be treating a nuclear power with allegedly 3,000 active Nukes in such a disrespectful way.At this rate the only option the West will have left is hitting that Red Button.

Yet no one really seems to give a fuck about shit possibly spiralling out of control by pouring petrol on the flames.

There is no real effort going on to deescalate.

Why is this ?

Where are the voices of reason ?

Just send more Tanks/Missiles etc.
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Re: What is really going on in Ukraine ?
The accounts on Twitter are at least consistent.

I will say that.

They are all saying the same thing. Russian invasion has been an un-mitigating disaster.

They are losing 3,000 Tanks a day etc.

Then they post a picture of a Tank stuck in a Field.

we should be seeing pictures of miles of Roads full of burning Vehicles, with crispy Russian bodies hanging out of them surely ?

Same with Planes.

Another 30 Russian Planes shot down today they say.

Then show a picture of one SU Plane burning in a field impossible to identify. It could easily be Ukrainian.
 Quoting: Dogsbollocks


You can read the site Oryx Blog for an unbiased examination on losses from both sides.
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LMAO! The Russians would not have anymore tanks at that rate! It's estimated that the Russians had about 12,400 tanks before they started losing 3000 a day...

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Re: What is really going on in Ukraine ?
The accounts on Twitter are at least consistent.

I will say that.

They are all saying the same thing. Russian invasion has been an un-mitigating disaster.

They are losing 3,000 Tanks a day etc.

Then they post a picture of a Tank stuck in a Field.

we should be seeing pictures of miles of Roads full of burning Vehicles, with crispy Russian bodies hanging out of them surely ?

Same with Planes.

Another 30 Russian Planes shot down today they say.

Then show a picture of one SU Plane burning in a field impossible to identify. It could easily be Ukrainian.
 Quoting: Dogsbollocks


You can read the site Oryx Blog for an unbiased examination on losses from both sides.
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LMAO! The Russians would not have anymore tanks at that rate!
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What the fuck are you talking about? Russian armor is getting fucked up by Javelins and NLAWs. But the upcoming battles in the east are going to require more than that, which is why Ukraine is now asking for countries to send them tanks.
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Re: What is really going on in Ukraine ?
The only thing going on in Ukraine is getting rid of old soviet weapons by the EU providing them all, best thing that can happen to the US military complex.
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Re: What is really going on in Ukraine ?
What the fuck are you talking about? Russian armor is getting fucked up by Javelins and NLAWs. But the upcoming battles in the east are going to require more than that, which is why Ukraine is now asking for countries to send them tanks.
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you mean the russian tanks that cz sent them? oh yeah, they will be blowed up lol

and the propaganda machine will say, look, we blew up russian tanks

lol

give it up soi boi
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Re: What is really going on in Ukraine ?
None of us our getting the truth. If you believe western news outlets Mr. Putin has been losing this thing every single day since this match kicked off. His generals are lying to him and he is unaware of this fact. Total BS. Do we suddenly think Mr. Putin is a stupid man when he has previously been described as a cunning adversary? Sooner or later one of the news sources will break ranks and broadcast something that is true but not yet I guess.
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Re: What is really going on in Ukraine ?
What the fuck are you talking about? Russian armor is getting fucked up by Javelins and NLAWs. But the upcoming battles in the east are going to require more than that, which is why Ukraine is now asking for countries to send them tanks.
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you mean the russian tanks that cz sent them? oh yeah, they will be blowed up lol

and the propaganda machine will say, look, we blew up russian tanks

lol

give it up soi boi
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You sound too low IQ to have a conversation with. Bye bye.
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Re: What is really going on in Ukraine ?
I am supposing Russia could clobber ten Ukraines, so it is a cat with a mouse at this stage. The Petro ruble was a master stroke. Oceania is used to endless war with either Eurasia or east Asia but not both. China has all the industrial capacity we use to have. India is noticing the writing on the wall. Russia with Ukraine added has about all the energy and food to supply half the globe. USA has never been weaker and rotten with corruption and decadence that is unsustainable and about to implode. The rest of the world might be ready to reshuffle the world order whether the usual suspects like it or not.
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Re: What is really going on in Ukraine ?
Either:

Russia wants to conquer Ukraine as part of Putin's plan to rebuild the USSR

Or:

Russia is trying to overthrow Nazis who've taken over the Ukrainian government against the will of the people.

And then you've got retards throwing in idiotic conspiracies like "Putin is fighting the deep state and saving children from child trafficking tunnels under Chernobyl."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32553563


Why did Putin wait 8 years though ?

Surely the time to act in Ukraine was when the most overt/blatant US coup in World history was unfolding in Kiev.

Nuland was handing out Crispy Dollar bills with the Cookies.

The Russians knew because they said 3,000 000 US a day was being given out with the AK 47s.

He waits 8 years to act. Watching Ukrainian forces being modernised and refitted by US/NATO.

Then decides enough is enough.

I do have serious doubts about Putin.
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Re: What is really going on in Ukraine ?
Worth the time. Sort of like "Ukraine On Fire," but brings things up to close to the present day.

In a nutshell, the same Satanic Deep State that persecutes Trump, created a fake pandemic, promotes critical race theory and drag queen story hour, is pro-pedophilia, pushes the globe/heliocentric lie, etc. also staged a coup in Ukraine in 2014 and has been using it for money laundering and bioweapons manufacturing.


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Re: What is really going on in Ukraine ?
What the fuck are you talking about? Russian armor is getting fucked up by Javelins and NLAWs. But the upcoming battles in the east are going to require more than that, which is why Ukraine is now asking for countries to send them tanks.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32553563


you mean the russian tanks that cz sent them? oh yeah, they will be blowed up lol

and the propaganda machine will say, look, we blew up russian tanks

lol

give it up soi boi
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You sound too low IQ to have a conversation with. Bye bye.
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LOL Cya.s226
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Re: What is really going on in Ukraine ?
What the fuck are you talking about? Russian armor is getting fucked up by Javelins and NLAWs. But the upcoming battles in the east are going to require more than that, which is why Ukraine is now asking for countries to send them tanks.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32553563


you mean the russian tanks that cz sent them? oh yeah, they will be blowed up lol

and the propaganda machine will say, look, we blew up russian tanks

lol

give it up soi boi
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You sound too low IQ to have a conversation with. Bye bye.
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i was jus trying to dumb it down to your level,

go sniff your A1 sauce balls bitch
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Re: What is really going on in Ukraine ?
NATO is back channeling a shit ton of high tech defensive weaponry into the country.
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Re: What is really going on in Ukraine ?
Ukrainians have been dropping artillery on people of the Donbass region for over 8 years now. Ukrainians have tried to ban people from speaking Russian for a while now. I have read that the Ukrainians were massing just outside the Donbass region to attack and finally remove the rebels once and for all ..then Putin stepped in and said nope! And that why so many Ukrainians troops were encircled in eastern Ukraine. But who knows what's really happening over there.
 Quoting: zzbudzz


I have heard the stories about genocide in East Ukraine.

Over the 8 year period I have seen many images of ethnic Russians indiscriminately Killed by Mortars.

I still struggle with Putin logic here though.

The ethnic cleansing by Azov Nazis was evident right back in 2014.It is the reason the regions begged for Russian protection. Putin at that time was deaf to their cries. It felt back then like Putin wanted fuck all to do with them. And was actually hoping the problem would go away. Choosing to send some food aid but do nothing to antagonize US/NATO.

I also think Putin had Motorola/Givi "Whacked"
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Re: What is really going on in Ukraine ?
The accounts on Twitter are at least consistent.

I will say that.

They are all saying the same thing. Russian invasion has been an un-mitigating disaster.

They are losing 3,000 Tanks a day etc.

Then they post a picture of a Tank stuck in a Field.

we should be seeing pictures of miles of Roads full of burning Vehicles, with crispy Russian bodies hanging out of them surely ?

Same with Planes.

Another 30 Russian Planes shot down today they say.

Then show a picture of one SU Plane burning in a field impossible to identify. It could easily be Ukrainian.
 Quoting: Dogsbollocks


You can read the site Oryx Blog for an unbiased examination on losses from both sides.
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Thanks for that. Much appreciated.
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Re: What is really going on in Ukraine ?
The accounts on Twitter are at least consistent.

I will say that.

They are all saying the same thing. Russian invasion has been an un-mitigating disaster.

They are losing 3,000 Tanks a day etc.

Then they post a picture of a Tank stuck in a Field.

we should be seeing pictures of miles of Roads full of burning Vehicles, with crispy Russian bodies hanging out of them surely ?

Same with Planes.

Another 30 Russian Planes shot down today they say.

Then show a picture of one SU Plane burning in a field impossible to identify. It could easily be Ukrainian.
 Quoting: Dogsbollocks


You can read the site Oryx Blog for an unbiased examination on losses from both sides.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32553563


LMAO! The Russians would not have anymore tanks at that rate! It's estimated that the Russians had about 12,400 tanks before they started losing 3000 a day...
 Quoting: zzbudzz


I did think that to be fair :-)

There was a User on there who did a nice pretty graphic every day with colourful pictures of Russian military equipment. And the numbers of losses next to each picture.

At one point the Tank losses were at 35,000 Bwhaaaaaaaa
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Re: What is really going on in Ukraine ?
Either:

Russia wants to conquer Ukraine as part of Putin's plan to rebuild the USSR

Or:

Russia is trying to overthrow Nazis who've taken over the Ukrainian government against the will of the people.

And then you've got retards throwing in idiotic conspiracies like "Putin is fighting the deep state and saving children from child trafficking tunnels under Chernobyl."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32553563


Russia wants to conquer Ukraine as part of Putin's plan to rebuild the USSR. Also, wants to destroy the West.

To Putin the West is all Nazis includes Ukraine and the US.

Read this from Russia itself...

You'll have to use Google translate if cannot read it.

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Re: What is really going on in Ukraine ?
The accounts on Twitter are at least consistent.

I will say that.

They are all saying the same thing. Russian invasion has been an un-mitigating disaster.

They are losing 3,000 Tanks a day etc.

Then they post a picture of a Tank stuck in a Field.

we should be seeing pictures of miles of Roads full of burning Vehicles, with crispy Russian bodies hanging out of them surely ?

Same with Planes.

Another 30 Russian Planes shot down today they say.

Then show a picture of one SU Plane burning in a field impossible to identify. It could easily be Ukrainian.
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Then surely you have seen that his troops are homicidal maniacs such as with what happened in Bucha.
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Re: What is really going on in Ukraine ?
Go to go out for a while.

I am interested in everyone opinion so please keep posting what you think.

We really are living in strange times aren't we ?

where "Truth actually could be stranger than fiction"

All this has come right off the back of a 2 year Covid Lock down.

For this reason alone it makes you go mmmmmm
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The information war all over the internet is really bad. It is hard to form a balanced opinion.

Twitter the only real source for information coming out of Ukraine, is in reality just an Echo Chamber for fervent Russia Haters.

There is virtually nothing on Twitter what you can form an opinion on. Other than Videos of Bodies being moved from A-B etc for PR. Stuff they want you to see to influence you.

And occasionally crisis actors popping up in similar style videos.

What is the real truth on the ground war wise in Ukraine though ?.

Random no marks, and their random Tweets say Russia is losing badly. That material losses are unsustainable. Offering nothing in evidence, other than their own opinion. That Russia is down to its last couple of Dozen Kalibr Missiles. That Russian forces have been routed and have fully retreated to the East of Ukraine. That Ukraine Military is currently refitting, and restocking Missiles for the final Battle to obliterate Russian forces and declare total victory.

Sure that might be the case.....Why then only show the same fucking contentious images over and over.

WTF are we supposed to make of it all ?

When you think back to wars in Iraq etc with embedded reporters. It was easier to get a feel for what was going on.

Now we are just hearing random shit, supported by random suspect media. And getting random Uncle Intel on GLP.

Disturbing how controlled the internet has become.

Even on GLP they are like Flies on Shit when anyone questions the official narrative.

Thoughts.
 Quoting: Dogsbollocks


From what I understand, Twitter is actively suspending ANY account that doesn't proclaim that the Ukrainian army is decimating the Russian army, that the Russians are killing civilians indiscriminately, and the Russians are shelling civilian areas.

In other words, Twitter is full-on promoting the Ukrainian cause, even if the facts don't bear that out.

So it is unlikely that you will hear on twitter any opinion that differs from the official US military narrative, which is also likely why GLP has been getting cyber attacked recently as well, because people here tend to question the official narrative.
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Re: What is really going on in Ukraine ?
From what I understand, the goal of the West, which prominently includes the US, desires to collapse Russia economically, break it up and plunder the included natural resources. Once that goal is attained, the plan includes doing the same to China.

What drives the US economy is the continual propping up the accumulated debt with even more debt. It's very similar to paying one credit card with another credit card, and paying the minimum fee on that credit card with another credit card, all the while proclaiming that none of any of that debt will ever be repaid.
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From what I understand, the goal of the West, which prominently includes the US, desires to collapse Russia economically, break it up and plunder the included natural resources. Once that goal is attained, the plan includes doing the same to China.

What drives the US economy is the continual propping up the accumulated debt with even more debt. It's very similar to paying one credit card with another credit card, and paying the minimum fee on that credit card with another credit card, all the while proclaiming that none of any of that debt will ever be repaid.
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But we know that is never gonna happen to russia, they would all agree to nuke everything rather than sell out the mother land.
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The information war all over the internet is really bad. It is hard to form a balanced opinion.

Twitter the only real source for information coming out of Ukraine, is in reality just an Echo Chamber for fervent Russia Haters.

There is virtually nothing on Twitter what you can form an opinion on. Other than Videos of Bodies being moved from A-B etc for PR. Stuff they want you to see to influence you.

And occasionally crisis actors popping up in similar style videos.

What is the real truth on the ground war wise in Ukraine though ?.

Random no marks, and their random Tweets say Russia is losing badly. That material losses are unsustainable. Offering nothing in evidence, other than their own opinion. That Russia is down to its last couple of Dozen Kalibr Missiles. That Russian forces have been routed and have fully retreated to the East of Ukraine. That Ukraine Military is currently refitting, and restocking Missiles for the final Battle to obliterate Russian forces and declare total victory.

Sure that might be the case.....Why then only show the same fucking contentious images over and over.

WTF are we supposed to make of it all ?

When you think back to wars in Iraq etc with embedded reporters. It was easier to get a feel for what was going on.

Now we are just hearing random shit, supported by random suspect media. And getting random Uncle Intel on GLP.

Disturbing how controlled the internet has become.

Even on GLP they are like Flies on Shit when anyone questions the official narrative.

Thoughts.
 Quoting: Dogsbollocks


The real truth in the Ukraine "war"? It's been going on for 8 years, not just a few weeks. This is according to those who live there and not the leftist media talking heads.

Zelensky is bombing his own people and blaming Putin, who was simply getting rid of the bioweapon labs and the child molesters.
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This commentary appears to be the latest. There are several different posters who offer a different opinion than the official narrative. The reason why these posters are not in Ukraine is because Zelensky is actively looking for anyone who offers a different or opposing opinion other than the official narrative proclaiming the Ukrainian cause are the heroes against persistent Russian aggression.

It 's similar to the covid response which also sought to silence any opinion countering the safe and effective vaccine, or offering alternative treatments for the virus.


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