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Who'da thunk? Guns best crime deterrent after all
'People who say bad guys will stop because of 1 more law are full of it'

When sexual assaults started rising in Orlando, Fla., in 1966, police officers noticed women were arming themselves, so they launched a firearms safety course for them. Over the next 12 months, sexual assaults plummeted by 88 percent, burglaries fell by 25 percent and not one of the 2,500 women who took the course fired a gun in a confrontation.

And that, says a new brief submitted to the U.S. Supreme Court by police officers and prosecutors in a controversial gun-ban dispute, is why gun ownership is important and should be available to individuals in the United States.

The arguments come in an amicus brief submitted by the Law Enforcement Alliance of America, whose spokesman, Ted Deeds, told WND there now are 92 different law enforcement voices speaking together to the Supreme Court in the Heller case.

That pending decision will decide whether an appeals court ruling striking down a District of Columbia ban on handguns because it violates the 2nd Amendment will stand or not. The gun ban promoters essentially argue that any gun restriction that is ruled "reasonable" is therefore constitutional, such as the D.C. handgun ban.

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Deeds said this probably is the largest unified law enforcement statement in support of the 2nd Amendment ever, and includes nearly a dozen organizations that represent tens of thousands of police officers across the country, dozens of state attorneys general, dozens of prosecutors and a long list of federal law enforcement experts up to and including federal judges.

Oral arguments in the case are scheduled on March 18, and the LEAA brief is just one of 46 that have been filed on the side of seeking affirmation that the 2nd Amendment does, indeed, document a right for individuals to own guns in the United States.

The brief notes when the Georgia town of Kennesaw decided to require all residents, with exceptions for conscientious objectors, to keep a firearm at home, home burglaries fell from 66 to 26 to 11 in consecutive years.

In Orlando, the deterrence to criminals who simply knew that their victims may have a gun and may know how to use it and may be willing to do just that had a significant impact, because while Orlando's rapes were plummeting, assaults were up 5 percent across the state and 7 percent nationally.

The brief cites a study that discovered, based on interviews with felony prisoners in 11 prisons in 10 states, one third of the felons had been "scared off, shot at, wounded or captured by an armed victim," and nearly four in 10 had decided against committing a specific crime because they thought the victim might have a gun.

"Seventy-four percent agreed with the statement that 'One reason burglars avoid houses where people are at home is that they fear being shot,'" the study said.

The brief suggested the nation's crime rate could rocket should more restrictions be placed on guns.

"Numerous surveys show that firearms are used (usually without a shot needing to be fired) for self-defense at least 97,000 times a year, and probably several hundred thousands times a year. The anti-crime effects of citizen handgun ownership provide enormous benefits to law enforcement, because there are fewer home invasion emergencies requiring an immediate police response, and because the substantial reductions in rates of burglary, assault, and other crimes allow the police and district attorneys to concentrate more resources on other cases and on deterrence."

"Guns save lives," the brief said. "In the hands of law-abiding citizens, guns provide very substantial public safety benefits. In all 50 states but not the District it is lawful to use firearms for defense against home invaders. The legal ownership of firearms for home defense is an important reason why the American rate of home invasion burglaries is far lower than in countries which prohibit or discourage home handgun defense."

The brief said handgun ownership reduces the number of confrontational home invasions, so "the total U.S. violent crime rate [is reduced] by about 9 percent."

Deeds said it's always hard to predict the U.S. Supreme Court, but ideally the ruling would clarify the 2nd Amendment means exactly what its words say: that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed.

He compared it to the discussion of freedom of religion, should the Bible be banned. "For Christians there's no effective freedom of religion if they didn't have a Bible," he said.

"To have the 2nd Amendment right on paper, but to be denied the effective means of exercising that right at a moment of truth, when you're trying to defend yourself or your loved one from an aggressor, [is wrong,]" he said. "The gun is the only answer."

Where the rubber meets the road, he said, is when a good guy needs to survive an encounter with a bad guy, he said. There are two possible results: Police arrive on the scene later to have the innocent victim hurt or killed, or they arrive on the scene to "find the victim hearty and the offender on the floor."

"Every cop in American is going to pick the second closing of the story," Deeds said.

He said gun control originally was sold to Americans as a way to lower crime, but he disagreed. "People who sell this idea that bad guys are going to stop because of one more law are just full of it," he said.

"That's a lie. That's a fraud," he said. He also said it's a terribly slippery slope to say that under the 2nd Amendment, some gun restrictions are good because they are "reasonable."

"We are hoping that they [the Supreme Court] make a very clear, very unambiguous decision in favor of the 2nd Amendment," Deeds told WND.

Montana officials already have argued the U.S. already resolved any dispute about the meaning of the 2nd Amendment when it defined in Montana's compact under which it became a state that "any person" has the right to bear arms.

And U.S. Rep. Virgil Goode, R-Va., has led a congressional delegation in asking President Bush to order the U.S. Justice Department to submit a brief to the high court supporting the rights of individuals under the 2nd Amendment.

A similar request already has been submitted by officials for the Gun Owners of America, whose executive director, Larry Pratt, warned: "If the Supreme Court were to accept the Solicitor General's line of argument, D.C.'s categorical gun ban of virtually all self-defense firearms could well be found to be constitutional. ..."

The government's position is available in a document submitted by by U.S. Solicitor General Paul D. Clement. He said since "unrestricted" private ownership of guns clearly threatens the public safety, the 2nd Amendment can be interpreted to allow a variety of gun restrictions.

"Given the unquestionable threat to public safety that unrestricted private firearm possession would entail, various categories of firearm-related regulation are permitted by the Second Amendment," Clement wrote in the brief.

Because of the specifics of the D.C. case, the ultimate ruling is expected to address directly whether the 2nd Amendment includes a right for individuals nationwide to have a gun or whether local governments can approve whatever laws or ordinances they desire to restrict firearms.

The amendment reads, "A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

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Obama says...Take the guns away from the citizens.


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But aren't you afraid the citizens might get pissed off enough to turn those guns on the Jew controlled Washington "government"?

If you're not, you should be.
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Please tell me who, out of all the candidates, is the most pro second amendment?
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You had me, until the pic of the transvestite holding the pistol.
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Please tell me who, out of all the candidates, is the most pro second amendment?
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Hucakbee is the most outspoken. Of the candidates who can win, McCain is the most pro 2nd amendment.

Obama wants to repeal the amendemnt and Pelosi is standing by with the bill on her desk waiting for his signature.
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You had me, until the pic of the transvestite holding the pistol.
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same here lol
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Obama wants to repeal the amendemnt and Pelosi is standing by with the bill on her desk waiting for his signature.
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Hahaha....sad but true.
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Hucakbee is the most outspoken. Of the candidates who can win, McCain is the most pro 2nd amendment.

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that's funny because i received a brochure in the mail from the ron paul campaign solely about his stance on the second amendment, but i didn't receive anything from huckleberry or mccain. of course i'm sure huckabee is for it since he and his son are so big on the killing of animals.
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Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:
Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.


child sfety locks don't bother me, but the rest does.

will I be felon if I give my old semi-auto .22 rifle to my nephew for his birthday?
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The cops have guns to maintain a minimal standard of law and order, yet some believe the masses should not have guns and should leave it all up to the thin blue line. Cop gangs and criminal gangs fully armed and the masses caught between them in the crossfire with no deterrent of their own to keep both gangs in line.
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Hucakbee is the most outspoken. Of the candidates who can win, McCain is the most pro 2nd amendment.



that's funny because i received a brochure in the mail from the ron paul campaign solely about his stance on the second amendment, but i didn't receive anything from huckleberry or mccain. of course i'm sure huckabee is for it since he and his son are so big on the killing of animals.
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I see., You rate their commitment to their positions on the issues by how much junk mail you get from them asking for donations?

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i know people have different opinions on things but this is one i just don't understand.

if you're a democrat and you want to take away all guns, how do you do that? you can take away all guns with a paper trail, or in other words all the people who legally have them, but all the people who have them illegally would STILL HAVE THEM. you would be de-arming the law abiding citizens while the law breaking citizens would still have their arms.

if by some miracle everyone agreed and gave up their guns, knives would make a comeback as the weapon of choice. then what? no knives?

makes no sense at all.
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I see., You rate their commitment to their positions on the issues by how much junk mail you get from them asking for donations?

Paultards amaze me with their mental abilities.
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it wasn't junk at all and didn't ask for any donations, it asked for your vote as it should.

you can dislike paul all you want, but one thing even YOU cannot do is argue the mans commitment to his positions. his record is more concrete than any of the others, especially huckleberry.
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i know people have different opinions on things but this is one i just don't understand.

if you're a democrat and you want to take away all guns, how do you do that? you can take away all guns with a paper trail, or in other words all the people who legally have them, but all the people who have them illegally would STILL HAVE THEM. you would be de-arming the law abiding citizens while the law breaking citizens would still have their arms.

if by some miracle everyone agreed and gave up their guns, knives would make a comeback as the weapon of choice. then what? no knives?

makes no sense at all.
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Shhhh, you are making too much sense!
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The cops have guns to maintain a minimal standard of law and order, yet some believe the masses should not have guns and should leave it all up to the thin blue line. Cop gangs and criminal gangs fully armed and the masses caught between them in the crossfire with no deterrent of their own to keep both gangs in line.
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Speaking as a cop, I prefer an armed population.

Not because vigilantes are a good thing, of course - they aren't - but because people tend to behave themselves more when anyone around them might carry a gun.

Well-behaved people make my job easier.

Ergo, I prefer an armed population.
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The cops have guns to maintain a minimal standard of law and order, yet some believe the masses should not have guns and should leave it all up to the thin blue line. Cop gangs and criminal gangs fully armed and the masses caught between them in the crossfire with no deterrent of their own to keep both gangs in line.



Speaking as a cop, I prefer an armed population.

Not because vigilantes are a good thing, of course - they aren't - but because people tend to behave themselves more when anyone around them might carry a gun.

Well-behaved people make my job easier.

Ergo, I prefer an armed population.
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Officers already assume everyone is armed or they dont live very long.
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My interpretation of the 2nd Amendment is that the general population should have access the same weapons as any current military force, to maintain a balance of power.

Does that mean I'm going to carry an M-249 SAW to the grocery store?
No, my .38 snubby is much more comfortable.
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people have them illegally, must i break the law to get one too?
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No, my .38 snubby is much more comfortable.
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At least during the summer months.
I prefer my full-size .45 auto when I wear a jacket.
And I do carry them in WalMart.
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The cops have guns to maintain a minimal standard of law and order, yet some believe the masses should not have guns and should leave it all up to the thin blue line. Cop gangs and criminal gangs fully armed and the masses caught between them in the crossfire with no deterrent of their own to keep both gangs in line.



Speaking as a cop, I prefer an armed population.

Not because vigilantes are a good thing, of course - they aren't - but because people tend to behave themselves more when anyone around them might carry a gun.

Well-behaved people make my job easier.

Ergo, I prefer an armed population.



Officers already assume everyone is armed or they dont live very long.
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That isn't what I said, is it?

No, I said I PREFERRED an armed population. I made no mention whatsoever about what I assumed.
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Ron Paul would support full autos in Wal-Mart
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What's wrong with that?
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What's wrong with that?
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Absolutely nothing. It would be nice to go to Wal-Mart and be able to buy a full auto weapon.
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This is the most ridiculous thread you have ever posted.
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Ron Paul supports no Federal regulation on firearms that I am aware of. Alot more than I can say about any of the other candidates including Juan McCain.
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What's wrong with that?
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Unless the law abiding folk got smart and reported the gun stolen. Get smart about it and use the rules for yourself, rather than against you.

Many types of knives, blow-guns and other not so noxious weapons are illegal. Why? Because no one stood up for it when it went before committee. Maybe swords should make a come back!

i know people have different opinions on things but this is one i just don't understand.

if you're a democrat and you want to take away all guns, how do you do that? you can take away all guns with a paper trail, or in other words all the people who legally have them, but all the people who have them illegally would STILL HAVE THEM. you would be de-arming the law abiding citizens while the law breaking citizens would still have their arms.

if by some miracle everyone agreed and gave up their guns, knives would make a comeback as the weapon of choice. then what? no knives?

makes no sense at all.
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Obama, Clinton, and McCain are all gun grabbers.





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