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Why doesn't California build DESALINATOR PLANTS and PUMP IN OCEAN WATER!!!???

 
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They don't want actual solutions.

That's not on the agenda.
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They don't want actual solutions.

That's not on the agenda.
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obviously
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They are. Lol

GLP do a bit of research before you open your mouth.

There were 38 projects scheduled in 2016 last time I looked.
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Why doesn't California build DESALINATOR PLANTS and PUMP IN OCEAN WATER!!!???
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Because they want you DEAD.
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They are. Lol

GLP do a bit of research before you open your mouth.

There were 38 projects scheduled in 2016 last time I looked.
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Projects that will go nowhere and money being funneled somewhere else.
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Why doesn't California build DESALINATOR PLANTS and PUMP IN OCEAN WATER!!!???
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why build useful shit for the goy when the chosen feinsteins can split the money with its buddies in dc and the pentagon

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They are. Lol

GLP do a bit of research before you open your mouth.

There were 38 projects scheduled in 2016 last time I looked.
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Projects that will go nowhere and money being funneled somewhere else.
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With that expert analysis I don’t know how anyone couldn’t believe you…

Smh
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Imagine how many desalinator plants could have been bought just by the cost of the weapons left behind in Afghanistan, which was 80 billion dollars?
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They are. Lol

GLP do a bit of research before you open your mouth.

There were 38 projects scheduled in 2016 last time I looked.
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Projects that will go nowhere and money being funneled somewhere else.
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There's a long history of it happening.
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why doesn't any state build giant dehumidifier plants to harvest water in droughts or rainwater collection farms!!!? Rainstorms dump massive amounts of water especially in our new crazy climate.
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They are. Lol

GLP do a bit of research before you open your mouth.

There were 38 projects scheduled in 2016 last time I looked.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82243054


Projects that will go nowhere and money being funneled somewhere else.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76103578


With that expert analysis I don’t know how anyone couldn’t believe you…

Smh
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Meant to quote this one.

There's a long history of it happening.
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They are. Lol

GLP do a bit of research before you open your mouth.

There were 38 projects scheduled in 2016 last time I looked.
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“scheduled” Lol Yeah, like the California high speed train. Lmao
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Why doesn't California build DESALINATOR PLANTS and PUMP IN OCEAN WATER!!!???
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Because solutions end problems.

And if you end problems you have no need of big goobermint to adminster and exacerbate them.

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Better question is why don’t we use buoys to farm the ocean for energy. A whole grid of these can just get unlimited energy from the waves going up and down
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Why doesn't California build DESALINATOR PLANTS and PUMP IN OCEAN WATER!!!???
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why.. to help them sink faster.. it is not stable there.. and there is exactly little time to build desalinator plants. The world is going to close for a bit.

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Why doesn't California build DESALINATOR PLANTS and PUMP IN OCEAN WATER!!!???
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The technology is very expensive.

Pro Tip: Dedicate your life to inventing a cheap and practical alternative and you'll get rich.
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Why doesn't California build DESALINATOR PLANTS and PUMP IN OCEAN WATER!!!???
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The technology is very expensive.

Pro Tip: Dedicate your life to inventing a cheap and practical alternative and you'll get rich.
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Fresh water is the most valuable resource to all living things.

"Sorry guys, the technology is too expensive"

lol retards in charge is the main problem.
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Why is there not a pipeline system for water across the continental U.S.? When it floods in one section of the country, you pump it to reservoirs in the drought-stricken section of the country.
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They are. Lol

GLP do a bit of research before you open your mouth.

There were 38 projects scheduled in 2016 last time I looked.
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Let's see about that deceit, shall we?

iamwith

The staff of the California Coastal Commission recommended denying approval of the Huntington Beach plant proposed by Poseidon Water, controlled by the infrastructure arm of Canada's Brookfield Asset Management (BAMa.TO).

The commission's staff said the project was more susceptible to sea-level rise than was understood when it was first proposed more than two decades ago. The plant is expected to produce 50 million gallons (189.3 million liters) of drinking water per day, enough for 16% of the homes in the Orange County Water District, where 2.5 million people live.

The commission staff also deemed the project harmful to nearby fish and bird habitat, said the ground beneath the plant posed a seismic risk, and that the higher cost of the plant's water would squeeze low-income consumers.


[link to www.msn.com (secure)]

The Legislature first declared that California had a primary interest in the development of water desalination in 1965. A coastal desalination plant could eliminate the need for or supplement imported water in favor of a locally available and easily managed water supply.


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There are already 12 desalination plants in operation in California, and we would hope that the state already has plans in place for design, permitting and construction of many more.



NOPE - there are NOT 38 projects scheduled and they can't even build the one they need most!

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Because they don’t want to spend money on their own citizens.

Only on illegals, immigrants and other countries to win a war that they aren’t even a part of.
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Better question is why don’t we use buoys to farm the ocean for energy. A whole grid of these can just get unlimited energy from the waves going up and down
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That, or put the buoys on Wilt Chamberlain’s waterbed.

Over 20,000 women. That’s a lotta wave action.
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Why doesn't California build DESALINATOR PLANTS and PUMP IN OCEAN WATER!!!???
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The technology is very expensive.

Pro Tip: Dedicate your life to inventing a cheap and practical alternative and you'll get rich.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75178015


Fresh water is the most valuable resource to all living things.

"Sorry guys, the technology is too expensive"

lol retards in charge is the main problem.
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Right you are!

[link to www.californiadesalfacts.org (secure)]

Here are five major problems with Poseidon’s proposal:



# 1 We Don’t Need the Water
The Municipal Water District of Orange County’s most recent Water Reliability Study documented that Orange County has several alternative water supply projects available to meet future needs. The study also finds that the Poseidon project is the least cost-effective and most financially risky of all of the alternatives reviewed.

According to the Pacific Institute, water conservation and efficiency improvements could reduce water use by a third, similar to those called for in the state’s new water plan.

Orange County can meet its water needs through 2040 without Poseidon. And we have less expensive, more sustainable options for developing new water supplies. Orange County’s state-of-the-art Groundwater Replenishment System produces twice as much water as the proposed Huntington Beach desalination plant for a fraction of the cost.

Check out this December 2020 op-ed by Garry Brown, Orange County Coastkeeper founding director for more information.

# 2 Desal Will Hurt Families and Local Businesses
The Poseidon Huntington Beach Desalination Plant would disproportionately harm low-income residents who can’t afford the water rate increases needed to pay for this excessively expensive project. We have a Human Right to Water and Poseidon’s expensive desalinated water—which costs nearly four times as much as imported water and almost five times more than harvesting stormwater—will only make it harder for low-income ratepayers to afford clean, reliable water. There are cheaper, safer ways to meet our water needs.

Increased water bills put a heavy burden on local businesses, whose annual costs could skyrocket by forcing them to pay for Poseidon’s excessive costs. Many local businesses rely on tourism to make a modest living thanks in part to high-quality, reasonably priced water. Profits could shrink significantly if the desalination plant is built. #FueraPoseidon

# 3 Poseidon Desal Is Poison for the Climate, Ocean Life, and our Clean Water Supplies
Poseidon’s desal contract would subject the region to 50 years of continued fossil fuel emissions, despite the state’s efforts to curb emissions. It takes a massive amount of energy to run a desalination plant. Not only is that energy expensive, but it emits tons of greenhouse gases that contribute to the climate crisis. As wildfires, floods, and heat waves increase their intensity, we can no longer postpone our efforts to reduce emissions. If California is the climate leader we claim to be, we cannot advance this costly, energy-inefficient project. #ClimateLeadersDontDesal

Poseidon would pollute our groundwater supplies with boron and chlorides. This will further increase the costs of water because expensive treatment will be needed to remove additional pollutants from our water supplies.

The project would pull in more than 100 million gallons of sea water each day using obsolete intake pipes that cause significant mortality to ocean life. Regional water board staff estimate that Poseidon would kill 108 million ocean organisms each year. The State Water Resources Control Board ordered the AES powerplant to stop using this same pipe because of the extensive damage it was causing to ocean life. Furthermore, the byproduct of desalination is an intensely salty brine that the plant will discharge into the ocean further disrupting ocean ecosystems.

# 4 Poseidon Isn’t Being Honest
Poseidon said they wouldn’t take public money. But that’s not true. Poseidon has received a $585 million low-interest, forgivable loan from the US EPA, and is seeking a $400 million subsidy from the Metropolitan Water District and $1.1 billion from the state for a CDLAC tax-exempt bond allocation that would take money away from affordable housing.

Poseidon has continually said the plant is carbon neutral because the energy they use would be offset by buying “renewable credits” out of state and even out of the country in a scheme that hurts other communities. Moreover, Poseidon also claims that carbon emissions would be offset by energy savings from not pumping imported water over three mountain ranges from Tracy to southern California. However, Metropolitan Water District has repeatedly said that they will continue to import their full allocation of State Water Project water, regardless of Poseidon’s desalination plant. Furthermore, Poseidon is basing demand on faulty population projections. They said that Orange County would grow by 350,000 people from 2010 to 2020. The reality was that population grew by half their projections.

And they don’t deliver on promises. Poseidon’s Carlsbad plant has failed to deliver a fifth of the water promised to San Diego County Water Authority and racked up more than a dozen water quality violations during its first year of operations alone.

# 5 Desal Is a Bad Deal for Consumers
Poseidon wants Orange County to sign a 50-year ‘take or pay’ contract, committing ratepayers to buy this excessively expensive water whether or not it is needed. This guarantees profits for Poseidon at the expense of Orange County residents and businesses.

That’s why Poseidon has spent millions in lobbying expenses and campaign contributions pushing its costly Huntington Beach proposal.

The $1.4 billion plant would increase water bills for hard-working families to line the pockets of Poseidon and its parent company Brookfield Infrastructure Partners, based in Canada.


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Any good idea they will implement in the most retarded way just to make sure they have control and profits.

That's all that matters to the shitheads running this clown show.
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Why doesn't California build DESALINATOR PLANTS and PUMP IN OCEAN WATER!!!???
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The technology is very expensive.

Pro Tip: Dedicate your life to inventing a cheap and practical alternative and you'll get rich.
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Or, suicided.
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Why doesn't California build DESALINATOR PLANTS and PUMP IN OCEAN WATER!!!???
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The technology is very expensive.

Pro Tip: Dedicate your life to inventing a cheap and practical alternative and you'll get rich.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75178015


Fresh water is the most valuable resource to all living things.

"Sorry guys, the technology is too expensive"

lol retards in charge is the main problem.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76103578


Right you are!

[link to www.californiadesalfacts.org (secure)]

Here are five major problems with Poseidon’s proposal:



# 1 We Don’t Need the Water
The Municipal Water District of Orange County’s most recent Water Reliability Study documented that Orange County has several alternative water supply projects available to meet future needs. The study also finds that the Poseidon project is the least cost-effective and most financially risky of all of the alternatives reviewed.

According to the Pacific Institute, water conservation and efficiency improvements could reduce water use by a third, similar to those called for in the state’s new water plan.

Orange County can meet its water needs through 2040 without Poseidon. And we have less expensive, more sustainable options for developing new water supplies. Orange County’s state-of-the-art Groundwater Replenishment System produces twice as much water as the proposed Huntington Beach desalination plant for a fraction of the cost.

Check out this December 2020 op-ed by Garry Brown, Orange County Coastkeeper founding director for more information.

# 2 Desal Will Hurt Families and Local Businesses
The Poseidon Huntington Beach Desalination Plant would disproportionately harm low-income residents who can’t afford the water rate increases needed to pay for this excessively expensive project. We have a Human Right to Water and Poseidon’s expensive desalinated water—which costs nearly four times as much as imported water and almost five times more than harvesting stormwater—will only make it harder for low-income ratepayers to afford clean, reliable water. There are cheaper, safer ways to meet our water needs.

Increased water bills put a heavy burden on local businesses, whose annual costs could skyrocket by forcing them to pay for Poseidon’s excessive costs. Many local businesses rely on tourism to make a modest living thanks in part to high-quality, reasonably priced water. Profits could shrink significantly if the desalination plant is built. #FueraPoseidon

# 3 Poseidon Desal Is Poison for the Climate, Ocean Life, and our Clean Water Supplies
Poseidon’s desal contract would subject the region to 50 years of continued fossil fuel emissions, despite the state’s efforts to curb emissions. It takes a massive amount of energy to run a desalination plant. Not only is that energy expensive, but it emits tons of greenhouse gases that contribute to the climate crisis. As wildfires, floods, and heat waves increase their intensity, we can no longer postpone our efforts to reduce emissions. If California is the climate leader we claim to be, we cannot advance this costly, energy-inefficient project. #ClimateLeadersDontDesal

Poseidon would pollute our groundwater supplies with boron and chlorides. This will further increase the costs of water because expensive treatment will be needed to remove additional pollutants from our water supplies.

The project would pull in more than 100 million gallons of sea water each day using obsolete intake pipes that cause significant mortality to ocean life. Regional water board staff estimate that Poseidon would kill 108 million ocean organisms each year. The State Water Resources Control Board ordered the AES powerplant to stop using this same pipe because of the extensive damage it was causing to ocean life. Furthermore, the byproduct of desalination is an intensely salty brine that the plant will discharge into the ocean further disrupting ocean ecosystems.

# 4 Poseidon Isn’t Being Honest
Poseidon said they wouldn’t take public money. But that’s not true. Poseidon has received a $585 million low-interest, forgivable loan from the US EPA, and is seeking a $400 million subsidy from the Metropolitan Water District and $1.1 billion from the state for a CDLAC tax-exempt bond allocation that would take money away from affordable housing.

Poseidon has continually said the plant is carbon neutral because the energy they use would be offset by buying “renewable credits” out of state and even out of the country in a scheme that hurts other communities. Moreover, Poseidon also claims that carbon emissions would be offset by energy savings from not pumping imported water over three mountain ranges from Tracy to southern California. However, Metropolitan Water District has repeatedly said that they will continue to import their full allocation of State Water Project water, regardless of Poseidon’s desalination plant. Furthermore, Poseidon is basing demand on faulty population projections. They said that Orange County would grow by 350,000 people from 2010 to 2020. The reality was that population grew by half their projections.

And they don’t deliver on promises. Poseidon’s Carlsbad plant has failed to deliver a fifth of the water promised to San Diego County Water Authority and racked up more than a dozen water quality violations during its first year of operations alone.

# 5 Desal Is a Bad Deal for Consumers
Poseidon wants Orange County to sign a 50-year ‘take or pay’ contract, committing ratepayers to buy this excessively expensive water whether or not it is needed. This guarantees profits for Poseidon at the expense of Orange County residents and businesses.

That’s why Poseidon has spent millions in lobbying expenses and campaign contributions pushing its costly Huntington Beach proposal.

The $1.4 billion plant would increase water bills for hard-working families to line the pockets of Poseidon and its parent company Brookfield Infrastructure Partners, based in Canada.


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Do the owners of Poseidon have last names like, Newsome, Pelosi, Brown, or Getty?

That thing will never get built. Newsomes's, friends are prolly all consultants on this project and they will continue to make bank as long as this thing is being reviewed.

There is no money in solving a problem but those bastards can make and gift bank on reviews and EIR, etc.
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Why doesn't California build DESALINATOR PLANTS and PUMP IN OCEAN WATER!!!???
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Desalination plants are inefficient and require lots of electricity.
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They don't want actual solutions.

That's not on the agenda.
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Bing - fuckin - O
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because it isnt economical yet
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i think the plan is to pull texas and other states away from the us
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Why doesn't California build DESALINATOR PLANTS and PUMP IN OCEAN WATER!!!???
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How can Democrat politician make money from that?





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