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•• MARBURG VIRUS •• Currently under control and slowing !

 
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More monkey business. Remember how AIDS jumped species and found a fantastic vector in the gay community?
Monkeypox found in “men who have sex with men”.
Skip to the last paragraph to avoid unnecessary propaganda exposure.
Doesn’t Monkeypox sound made-up, somewhat like heeby jeebies?

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Well, AIDS was created in a lab in the very early 1970s, at the same time CFS/ME was “enhanced”.

They have been at this game for a long time.
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Bullshit

AIDS was going around in the Belgian Congo back in the 1920s already
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You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine. This isn’t the place to discuss our differences, so, another time, perhaps...
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I was born in '69. Would I have had the small pox vaccine?
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Dunno.

I think they stopped vaxxing for it in 1972 in the US.

Last year the vax was used globally was 1979....I think

If u were vaxxed u probably have a scratch mark/scar on your upper arm somewhere.....my parents do anyways.
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Article from 2018 that warns about Monkeypox.

Emergence of Monkeypox as the Most Important Orthopoxvirus Infection in Humans

[link to www.frontiersin.org (secure)]

It is time that we start to take action for prevention and preparedness of epidemics, especially for pathogens we have recognized as significant human threats, like monkeypox. The available data in this review demonstrate how limited and fragmented the information about monkeypox epidemiology still is, which leads to a potential underestimation of the magnitude and severity of MPX outbreaks. This should be a wakeup call to the research community for more engagement, follow-up and research on this disease.


Here is another one from three months back.

The changing epidemiology of human monkeypox—A potential threat? A systematic review

[link to journals.plos.org (secure)]

In light of the current environment for pandemic threats, the public health importance of monkeypox disease should not be underestimated. International support for increased surveillance and detection of monkeypox cases are essential tools for understanding the continuously changing epidemiology of this resurging disease.

Not looking good?
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Good finds. A real worry - they have no idea of what could happen ^^^^
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I was born in '69. Would I have had the small pox vaccine?
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Dunno.

I think they stopped vaxxing for it in 1972 in the US.

Last year the vax was used globally was 1979....I think

If u were vaxxed u probably have a scratch mark/scar on your upper arm somewhere.....my parents do anyways.
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stopped by 1971, GF's birthday is today she does not have a shot mark. however, military pppl may have gotten them after and even recently if they were traveling to those hot spot nations.
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More monkey business. Remember how AIDS jumped species and found a fantastic vector in the gay community?
Monkeypox found in “men who have sex with men”.
Skip to the last paragraph to avoid unnecessary propaganda exposure.
Doesn’t Monkeypox sound made-up, somewhat like heeby jeebies?

[link to www.businessinsider.co.za (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63927796


Well, AIDS was created in a lab in the very early 1970s, at the same time CFS/ME was “enhanced”.

They have been at this game for a long time.
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Bullshit

AIDS was going around in the Belgian Congo back in the 1920s already
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Long time ago I read they found slides in some clinic in the US from 1940s, that was HIV and misdiagnosed as something else.

EDIT - Here is the article:

"An analysis of a blood sample preserved since 1959 from the oldest documented case of infection with the AIDS virus called HIV-1 shows that the first such infections probably occurred in people in the late 1940s or early 1950s, about a decade earlier than many estimates, scientists said Tuesday."

[link to www.chicagotribune.com (secure)]
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I wouldn’t believe everything you read (wink)...

Try this search string when you have a chance:

“a new infective microorganism which could differ in certain important aspects from any known disease-causing organisms. Most important of these is that it might be refractory [resistant] to the immunological and therapeutic processes upon which we depend to maintain our relative freedom from infectious disease”

From the Congressional Record, House Approriations Committee, 91st Congress, 1970.
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Were they unknowingly spreading this out of Ukraine? Via trains or busses
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Poland, England, France...
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Were they unknowingly spreading this out of Ukraine? Via trains or busses
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Or were spooks mixed in with them?
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Good read !

Wanted to share this with everyone that doesn't read it.


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Back in late 2001, when concerns of terrorism were at a fever pitch after 9/11 and the possibility of a bioweapon attack involving smallpox was being bruited about, a representative from a research group I was involved with at the time contacted the Jenner Institute in London (at that time it was known as the Edward Jenner Institute for Vaccine Research) regarding the long-term efficacy of the smallpox vaccine. The length reply that was forthcoming, from no less a personage than the director of the institute at that time, was quite reassuring.

Apparently this matter has been the subject of no little study over the years, and the condensed takeaway from those studies was that, although the efficacy of the vaccine did indeed wane over time, in the majority of cases enough immunity remained after as much as sixty years to prevent serious illness upon infection. The opinion of the Institute at that time was that, for all intents and purposes, resistance to smallpox derived from the vaccine’s effect on the immune system was lifelong, and to the same degree as experienced by those unfortunate enough to have contracted the disease, sans vaccine, and survived. One could still, if one’s immune system was laggard, experience some symptoms if infected, but the infection would resemble the variola minor strain of smallpox as opposed to variola major, the far more deadlier and dreaded strain.

Take from that what you will. At the time, monkeypox wasn’t a blip on the radar, so no inquiry regarding the vaccine’s effect on that virus was queried. That said, everything I’ve learned about monkeypox over the years - as well as more recently, since the current outbreak began - would seem to indicate that, due to the extreme similarities between these virii, those the majority of those who have received a smallpox vaccine, at any time in their lives, will at most likely experience relatively minor (though certainly unpleasant) symptoms, but little more than that.

That opinion is, of course, predicated on the belief that the current monkeypox strain is from nature, and has not been tampered with in a laboratory. If the latter, then all bets are off...
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Any idea why the test results are taking so long? I have seen some of these patients remain in the 'Suspected" status for 5 or 6 days before being confirmed.
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Quite a good Q U. hiding
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Poland, England, France...
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Israel, Germany, USA, France, Italy etc. most of Europe


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War Game planned for MonkeyPox

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Were they unknowingly spreading this out of Ukraine? Via trains or busses
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Just curious...anybody know what countries the Ukrainian refugees were sent to for safety?
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Poland, England, France...
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Israel, Germany, USA, France, Italy etc. most of Europe


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Good read !

Wanted to share this with everyone that doesn't read it.


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Back in late 2001, when concerns of terrorism were at a fever pitch after 9/11 and the possibility of a bioweapon attack involving smallpox was being bruited about, a representative from a research group I was involved with at the time contacted the Jenner Institute in London (at that time it was known as the Edward Jenner Institute for Vaccine Research) regarding the long-term efficacy of the smallpox vaccine. The length reply that was forthcoming, from no less a personage than the director of the institute at that time, was quite reassuring.

Apparently this matter has been the subject of no little study over the years, and the condensed takeaway from those studies was that, although the efficacy of the vaccine did indeed wane over time, in the majority of cases enough immunity remained after as much as sixty years to prevent serious illness upon infection. The opinion of the Institute at that time was that, for all intents and purposes, resistance to smallpox derived from the vaccine’s effect on the immune system was lifelong, and to the same degree as experienced by those unfortunate enough to have contracted the disease, sans vaccine, and survived. One could still, if one’s immune system was laggard, experience some symptoms if infected, but the infection would resemble the variola minor strain of smallpox as opposed to variola major, the far more deadlier and dreaded strain.

Take from that what you will. At the time, monkeypox wasn’t a blip on the radar, so no inquiry regarding the vaccine’s effect on that virus was queried. That said, everything I’ve learned about monkeypox over the years - as well as more recently, since the current outbreak began - would seem to indicate that, due to the extreme similarities between these virii, those the majority of those who have received a smallpox vaccine, at any time in their lives, will at most likely experience relatively minor (though certainly unpleasant) symptoms, but little more than that.

That opinion is, of course, predicated on the belief that the current monkeypox strain is from nature, and has not been tampered with in a laboratory. If the latter, then all bets are off...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83270728


Any idea why the test results are taking so long? I have seen some of these patients remain in the 'Suspected" status for 5 or 6 days before being confirmed.
 Quoting: BBQ BOY™




Good read !

Wanted to share this with everyone that doesn't read it.


 Quoting: BBQ BOY™


Back in late 2001, when concerns of terrorism were at a fever pitch after 9/11 and the possibility of a bioweapon attack involving smallpox was being bruited about, a representative from a research group I was involved with at the time contacted the Jenner Institute in London (at that time it was known as the Edward Jenner Institute for Vaccine Research) regarding the long-term efficacy of the smallpox vaccine. The length reply that was forthcoming, from no less a personage than the director of the institute at that time, was quite reassuring.

Apparently this matter has been the subject of no little study over the years, and the condensed takeaway from those studies was that, although the efficacy of the vaccine did indeed wane over time, in the majority of cases enough immunity remained after as much as sixty years to prevent serious illness upon infection. The opinion of the Institute at that time was that, for all intents and purposes, resistance to smallpox derived from the vaccine’s effect on the immune system was lifelong, and to the same degree as experienced by those unfortunate enough to have contracted the disease, sans vaccine, and survived. One could still, if one’s immune system was laggard, experience some symptoms if infected, but the infection would resemble the variola minor strain of smallpox as opposed to variola major, the far more deadlier and dreaded strain.

Take from that what you will. At the time, monkeypox wasn’t a blip on the radar, so no inquiry regarding the vaccine’s effect on that virus was queried. That said, everything I’ve learned about monkeypox over the years - as well as more recently, since the current outbreak began - would seem to indicate that, due to the extreme similarities between these virii, those the majority of those who have received a smallpox vaccine, at any time in their lives, will at most likely experience relatively minor (though certainly unpleasant) symptoms, but little more than that.

That opinion is, of course, predicated on the belief that the current monkeypox strain is from nature, and has not been tampered with in a laboratory. If the latter, then all bets are off...
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Any idea why the test results are taking so long? I have seen some of these patients remain in the 'Suspected" status for 5 or 6 days before being confirmed.
 Quoting: BBQ BOY™


That seems odd. Variola is fairly easy to culture, and I’d think that monkeypox would be quite similar in that regard, given they are nearly identical.

Fun fact: Variola major (smallpox) is the largest virus known, and it’s my understanding that it can be seen in an optical microscope. How ironic.
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Fun fact: Variola major (smallpox) is the largest virus known, and it’s my understanding that it can be seen in an optical microscope. How ironic.

Bet it still gets through surgical masks!
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Definitely seems to be unrealistic that it’s a coincidence this exact scenario was war games last year even down to exact dates. Could something like AI have taken it as marching orders or something? Just seems unlikely this is by chance.
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BBQ, they took the wkend off and delivery of the vials takes time. we will see results spike MON.
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we went from being over the target, to actually being the target. too close to the truth.


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Completely unlikely spreading pattern. No way this could be natural, if it even exists.
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BBQ, they took the wkend off and delivery of the vials takes time. we will see results spike MON.
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Even during the week it was slow. I think it might just be a "Reporting" thing. Getting approval and editing the Press release.

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Fun fact: Variola major (smallpox) is the largest virus known, and it’s my understanding that it can be seen in an optical microscope. How ironic.

Bet it still gets through surgical masks!
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By itself? Certainly. It is indeed tinier than the pores in most masks and respirators.

However, it is (thankfully!) almost never found aerosolized without a carrier, usually in the form of a water droplet, which are orders of magnitude larger than the virii they might contain. Just as with Covid, an N95/mask, properly fitted, will prevent aspiration of any virus-laden droplets, although entry via the eyes is still a real possibility, and problematic.
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Poland, England, France...
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Israel, Germany, USA, France, Italy etc. most of Europe


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Excuse my language but

fuck.
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Completely unlikely spreading pattern. No way this could be natural, if it even exists.
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The behavior of the people who seem to be spreading it is quite un-natural. If they are flying to orgiastic mass trysts across the world, the pattern resembles what one might expect.
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Poland, England, France...
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Israel, Germany, USA, France, Italy etc. most of Europe


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Excuse my language but

fuck.
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Perfectly acceptable, given the gravity of the situation.
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First Mandatory Quarantine in Country That Hosted Massive Gay Pride Festival

“Those infected with the monkey pox virus must be in isolation for 21 days,”
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Were they unknowingly spreading this out of Ukraine? Via trains or busses
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...


Poland, England, France...
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Israel, Germany, USA, France, Italy etc. most of Europe


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Excuse my language but

fuck.
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Perfectly acceptable, given the gravity of the situation.
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Were they unknowingly spreading this out of Ukraine? Via trains or busses
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no mate, its been spreading in countries with african migrants. france, uk, italy, netherlands and all the shitholes with smokey scum from all over the place.

gay fucks are spreading this shit.
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Were they unknowingly spreading this out of Ukraine? Via trains or busses
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no mate, its been spreading in countries with african migrants. france, uk, italy, netherlands and all the shitholes with smokey scum from all over the place.

gay fucks are spreading this shit.
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This smells like an intentional spread,,can't be natural as this infection isn't the type of disease that can spread this far just by human contact as its in multiple countries.
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not really. it is what happens when the ppl who are suppose to watch for new disease close their eyes and mix more stuff up. nobody watching to see the fire start and burn til it gets to their house.

how long did it take WHO to admit covid was a pandemic? it was in how many nations by that point? when testing started how many cases did they find before the dust even started to settle? and how much info has GLP posted MONTHS and YEARS before the CDC or MSM?

do not let these ppl remain in charge . they screwed us all.
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It wasn't a pandemic.

You nutjob, don't talk on things you know nothing about pretending like you do.
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HUH, are u insane???? the world has been under a pandemic for 2 fuking years. where did this retard come from???
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I haven't read this specific paper but it may be a good start for your retarded ass.

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Covid was prevalent in controlled countries.
Controlled as in, loyal to the TPTB.

Have you even observed the situation to see how, many times, borders between countries or states controlled the spread.

Open, heavily crossed borders.

Ofcourse you are a shill, and know all this.





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