Pretty much made up my mind to leave the USA

Feds will print their way out. I agree that shipping costs
will kill globalism but that means... building local
relationships. Right?

The liberals like to quote that study which shows blue
States as net payers and red States as net takers but
they always factor out the Federal debt. Including it
makes ALL States net takers. That's what's still holding
the ship together.

Once that reverses, and being a Federal State means PAYING
to DC instead of RECEIVING, a lot of pre-existing
fractures will come into play, you saw the old Southern
State lines appear in the last election. I expect the
PNW to secede, along with Texas and most of the South.

That will end the Federal empire.

Basically a repeat of the USSR collapse.

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Feds will print their way out. I agree that shipping costs
will kill globalism but that means... building local
relationships. Right?

The liberals like to quote that study which shows blue
States as net payers and red States as net takers but
they always factor out the Federal debt. Including it
makes ALL States net takers. That's what's still holding
the ship together.

Once that reverses, and being a Federal State means PAYING
to DC instead of RECEIVING, a lot of pre-existing
fractures will come into play, you saw the old Southern
State lines appear in the last election. I expect the
PNW to secede, along with Texas and most of the South.

That will end the Federal empire.

Basically a repeat of the USSR collapse.

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All I can think about is selling all my shit while I can still get something for it and getting the f**K outta here. I don't owe it anything. reeCMHBjUlY[/youtube]

Agreed brother... but where do we go? At some point sooner or later we will all fall under govt. control, all of us will. Best bet is to not ask questions and just go, bug out. Dont say where you are going. Once you are there and settled get rid of your US passport, be a local.

Ha Ha Ha

you can leave USA but USA not leave you

no matter where you go you will always be gringo

always stand out like sour thumb

when shit hits fan unrest world wide

USA will get the blame

gringos in foreign land will be targeted

burn you out hang you up

better stay in USA

love your country not the politicians

USA USA USA

Ha Ha Ha

I've looked. I own a 4 bedroom 1 1/2 bath house on 1/4 acre lot in a mostly white suburb of Cleveland. Current zillow value $240,000.

ANYWHERE in Europe I can get a small apartment for 300 Grand.

you're fucking scared and you're giving in to it. You're also talking about leaving everyone behind instead of doing something about what you're bitching about when it's partially your fault. What a little bitch pissant.

Somewhere in South America overlooking the ocean. I can still make money as long as I have an internet connection.

There are some good expat youtube channels

All I can think about is selling all my shit while I can still get something for it and getting the f**K outta here. I don't owe it anything. I want to spend my last 20-30 years where I'm treated better.

In case you're wondering, people here are not very fond of you guys. Only treat them with some respect as long as they have some money to give away. The moment you are broken and poor like us, you automatically become worse than us. Since you said yourself you don't own anything, better not even try.

Be wise plus an get a place in the high of some mountain, here in Colombia there is Sierra Nevada de Santamarta, but Perú is a better country and sure has a lot of excellent places in the high.

Fucking pro Trump goy. LMAO. Fucking move then. Russia is a hard place too live by anyone's standards. Food is expensive, especially meat. Gas is $3 a gallon and the median income is $400 a month.

You are so wrong. 100% wrong. It's cheap there if you're earning US dollar via remote work. There are sooooooooooooooo many youtube channels you can watch of people showing prices in Russian grocery stores. Sure, with the sanctions some not necessary stuff has gone up but their prices for regular grocery items are cheaper than here and gas is wayyyyyyyyyyyy cheaper. So why not move? Just like eveyrone else, there's family connections, obligations and one would always be the outsider. But one can always be the outsider moving to a small town in the us too. So ???

Welcome to the club! A bunch of us already left. Still trying to cleanse the poison from my mind and heart!

I fought for over a decade to wake people up and got spit on and called an idiot and a lunatic by all but a very few trying to save this country so no, it is not partially my fault. I'm done, retired. I am going to enjoy the rest of my life. My family refuses to come with me so I'm going and I will find a safe place for them to come to when it gets too bad for them to stay here.

I've tried having conversations like this here before. The complete xenophobia and ignorance is shocking. My top place to live would be Greece. Was there again last summer and it was spectacular. Apartments from $200 in a village and $400 in Athens. It's not cheap like Colombia but it's stunning, great weather and close to many other cool places.

Thanks, do you have an opinion on Ecuador?

Very criminal. Women disappear and get murdered. About a decade ago, some women's heads were found on a roadside.

I'm just not buying it. These folks moved there because the guy was getting bankrupted in the US for medical bills. They have lived in several cities so obviously there for some time and yep..they are still alive and happy.

Clearly AC has never been anywhere else.

I'm sitting on my balcony enjoying the springlike weather that's about the same every day, no need for heat or A/C, gas, electric, water and sewer are ~$35/mo, cable, phone and internet ~$28/month for double the speed in the US so it works out to about 1/8 the price. Good full coverage health insurance with the best company is under $50/month and as head of the houshold covers my wife and daughter at no additional expense.

Is it perfect? No, nothing is, but it's a damn nice change and I can't really think of anything I'd change. I certainly can't imagine downgrading and moving back to the US.