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Whois Desteni - Is She A Crystal Child?

 
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I liked a lot of what I listened to of Desteni but I've got to step in here and call disinfo and bullshit on her. Everything else in reality she points out as being a false, matrix-like manifestation yet the ONE thing she tries to explain the existence of is Global Warming? So now she's a cheerleader for global warming like everyone else trying to suppress us? Mars has receding polar ice-caps, miles and miles every year, AND IT'S BEHIND EARTH! Whether you feel this is all pre-ordained or not..that is irrelevant because she is in a sense blaming us for causing it's manifestation. I'm sorry, but that pointed to bullshit for me.
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First off Self Honesty Self Forgiveness which is the Desteni message is in no way about blame. We need to take responsibility for this world because we have all accepted and allowed it to be everything it is today.

You can say "what is it today? Everything is beautiful and pretty and nice" but its really not. We live out our lives with our money and our of-course "Beautiful" wife/husband and our of-course "Beautiful" children and apparently we lived a real life.

Within this purpose we set for ourselves to accomplish we fail to see what else is really going on in the world.

All around the world people are Starving, Killing, Raping, ect.

But Of-course we do not allow this. The world was already like this we cant make a difference.

This is our own thoughts from us conditioning ourselves from our experiences of this world. Fear, regret, anger and so on.....Keeps us constantly dishonestly making excuses for this world and our life.

Self Honesty and Self Forgiveness is simply a tool to help you remove all preconceptions and ideas and to stop reacting to thoughts, feelings, and emotions.

From that point of no thoughts, feelings, or emotions we can look at this world without judgements, anger, blame, regret, good, bad, right, wrong and instead all that will be left is practical common sense solutions that effect all as equal as one.
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Let me start off with saying this, a lot of the posts on here are infused with much spite and seperation from each other, none willing to "give up" anything they've seen or how they saw it.. there is no understanding between forces, so how are we even equating to an all-around understanding.

Desteni is more CULTure than it is a CULT. I have been doing process after I saw a few of her videos, on my own terms, considering the process my own, and not hers, and considering life as one as equal- which is in no way an abusive thing! Please, would you all look at the spite you have been giving towards the readers with your incentive to make one or another suffer!
To the one's attacking Desteni, why do you say the things you do and say them the way you say them? Why do you share the opinions, beLIEfs, and insights you have been posing? Do you wish for more to suffer from the confusion you speak of? Do you wish for the ones who are investigating Desteni to suffer from doubt and suspicion? What do you really have to defend?
And for the ones coming from Desteni forums, YOU KNOW SPITE IS THE ORIGINAL SIN, WHY do you give these ones the anger, frustration, hate, and condescention you KNOW will cause them inner turmoil!
Your reactions are not amusing! Your "getting under the skin" is not to be had!
We are all in a huge amount of pain as it is, your body is designed as the universe and the human is made from the world, you are everything that exists and both of these observations come from honest observations from both spectrums! Now take a look, you as all that exists and specifically designed as, what are you guys DOING ON HERE THAT IS OF PRACTICALITY OR BEHOLDS COMMON SENSE?

I ask these questions not to answer them, simply challenging you to take a look at this business of energetic quarreling, of which both sides know they are doing with their emotions, thoughts, minds, etc! It is invalidating either of your "support". And you wonder the confusion..

And now to share my experience in self-honesty, of which I state specifically so you understand that I am keeping such a "comfortable" principle within myself during observations.

Since Desteni
I have NOT left my family, I have actually had LESS problems with them, and we appreciate each other more.

Since Desteni
I have had stronger "connections" to my friends, not through emotional rubbage/feelings, or through mentalities, but through our Humanity and what all are currently going through, as who we are as life.

Since Desteni
my job has gotten less troubling, as I go through my process during my work, forgiving myself, and living each moment self-honestly not letting the small things get to me.

Since Desteni I HAVE left my girlfriend, but HERE me out, it has been a healthier living since that was over with, relationships have always had that vibe of "difficulty" to them.. which Desteni has proposed a perspective that DIDN'T CATCH MY INTUITION OR "RESONATE" with my heart.. BUT SIMPLY HAD COMMON SENSE TO IT, AND THE PRACTICALITY WAS UNDENIABLE.
(You all seem to want to follow intuition or some sort of vibration within you, well let me say this much, all that shit has been a 50/50 in my life and everyone elses i've seen.. unless you have a feeling about something that is so fucking massive and humongous that if it happened, in which the chances of it happening are 0. Cause you'd be called a saint for predicting it- for example, God coming to earth, UFO's landing, Aliens destroying mankind, the earth falling apart, have a look... if all those feelings/intuitions/heart-filled premonitions were real.. wouldn't we be fucked by now?)

Since Desteni I have revoked all my beLIEfs, opinions, feelings, emotions, energy, all of it. If you've never done it, how would you know what it's like? I am not like a dead battery, and I don't react irrationally like emotions/feelings do, I don't follow "logical" anlyses (humans were never logical beings, besides.. positive, negative, what's it MATTER?)
I take all the things I am now in retrospect to my childhood, in which I note that I am much more like my child-like expression than I have been since growing up. Because, simply, kids are the "empty cups", or what I now see as the wide and deep oceans.
Emotions/feelings do not make sense, they stop you from really directing yourself and doing what you want/need/have to do. They made me more confused than I ever have been, and i'm still "lost", but at least I understand something, I am not FEELING lost, I am not EMOTIONALLY wondering, my thoughts are clean cut: "What is happening to me?"
I simply am. And what am I? I am Here, so lost or found, I am Here. I am not Emotional. I am not Feeling this or that, there or there, I am HERE.
This is something that confuses a lot of people and did myself, IF I DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN MY FEELINGS OR DON'T PARTICIPATE IN EMOTION, AM I ROBOT? HOW AM I HUMAN?
You silly fuck! You have your sekf-expression, and self-expression is NOT energetic feelings!

Since Desteni I am more open than I was as an open-mind, for most are only open-minded, I am now an open BEING. In which this does not mean I am going to accept or allow all or nonsense and bullshit, because that is not who I am(BUT I HAVE BEEN! AND WILL NO MORE!) And you would have it that you call me such out of your manipulative ways of reverse psychology, by saying that because I am not being open, I am being stupid! (HAH! THE IMPLICATION BEING THAT ALL ARE STUPID WHO LIVE ALONE! You might as well as say that "thinking for yourself" is being close-minded! You fuckheads!)

I am willing to address more issues concerning self from the perspective of my experiences "using" process, not "AS A PART/PIECE" of Desteni, but as a part of Life in the World in which we all experience ourselves. If any one is willing to here another "one of us" out. (It's funny how you'd seperate the word us into individuals of a CULTure, when the word stands united as "all". However we like to single "others" out in judgement, you damned GOD-likes, you! Only kidding.)

My name is Jonathan Solorio, I am 18 and I have nothing but myself as what I have accepted and allowed to hide behind. I will disclose any information of myself and what I know about Desteni.. we are not asking you to trust us, you'd be stupid to trust anyone. We are all one, alone, allone. Desteni is your greatest fear, you should watch that video to understand your reactions to this process. Fear is not real, and fearing our words is silly, for the spoken word is life- that's like fearing life. Oops, people do that...

And i'd like to say lastly that you need to watch more than a few videos to actually get the message and stop nitpicking the fleas on the dog when the life of the dog is being discussed.. If you catch my drift. And why blame another for something you don't understand? Blame is absurd, everything about yOUR reality is on YOU.
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:sniffs real deep:



Hi, I am Jimmi Hinderx.

Destini is full of shit.


:gasps snorts and exhales:





Man, you can see her reading off cards. Watch her eyes.
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absolute nonsense. everyone she "portalled" sounds virtually the same, with the same impossible grammar, and vocabulary geared to baffle while sounding eerily pseudo-scientific/spiritual/ethereal.
A sign of the times that anyone would go to such a muddied source for any kind of sustenance. If people want truth, read or watch actual respectable teachers in any number of authentic traditions. Or your grandmother. I get more wisdom from my pet rat than this sad deluded mediocre actress.
The truth is right before your own eyes, and its not that complicated. Trust yourself, love people, be thoughtful and more kind. Duh. I don't need to hear "Kurt Cobain," "Hitler", Pleidians or "Jimmy Hendrix" to get that.
So stupid and sad...
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I can't stand to watch Desteni and anyone can learn or read the information she gives. An exchange of energy takes much longer to channel. I've been to and seen channelers. It's not that fast. I actually have seen a school teacher from Kentucky that channels, while awake and aware. When she was five, she read a book about Edgar Cayce and cried. These are ordinary people with a special gift and they don't mislead people.

Her accent never changes and if she was truly channeling, it would change.
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absolute nonsense. everyone she "portalled" sounds virtually the same, with the same impossible grammar, and vocabulary geared to baffle while sounding eerily pseudo-scientific/spiritual/ethereal.
A sign of the times that anyone would go to such a muddied source for any kind of sustenance. If people want truth, read or watch actual respectable teachers in any number of authentic traditions. Or your grandmother. I get more wisdom from my pet rat than this sad deluded mediocre actress.
The truth is right before your own eyes, and its not that complicated. Trust yourself, love people, be thoughtful and more kind. Duh. I don't need to hear "Kurt Cobain," "Hitler", Pleidians or "Jimmy Hendrix" to get that.
So stupid and sad...

I can't stand to watch Desteni and anyone can learn or read the information she gives. An exchange of energy takes much longer to channel. I've been to and seen channelers. It's not that fast. I actually have seen a school teacher from Kentucky that channels, while awake and aware. When she was five, she read a book about Edgar Cayce and cried. These are ordinary people with a special gift and they don't mislead people.

Her accent never changes and if she was truly channeling, it would change.
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Just wanna clear some stuff up. Winged is the girl you see in the desteni videos and she is not a channeler, she fully leaves her body and another being enters it while she is fully in the dimensional existence. Different from channeling the beings in her body have full control of the body as if it were their own.

What you know about channeling doesn't apply to winged. She is refered to as a Portal. The first time dimensional beings can actually exist in the physical through her body.

And the message is simple. All the beings talking through her body are all just helping us realise that we are not our Thoughts Feelings and Emotions and to help us see how our Thought Feelings and Emotions direct our life instead of us directing ourselves without reacting to our mind and constantly being influenced.

What are the chanelers messages. I'm guessing God, love, Peace, Happiness. If that's the message your looking for your not ganna find that from desteni.

Love, Peace, and Happiness is just an Energetic Feeling and God is just a story we can hide behind.

Maybe that's to strait forwardly opposite from what people normally say. Maybe we should say what everyone else does so they don't think were evil. Then again without the good there wouldn't be any evil. That's how opposite polarities work.
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she is like a demonic cum rag..
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Wait a minute, isn't there also a kid there too?

There is a 12 year old looking kid there who is probably her brother. Or is that her?
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The Steve Irwin 'interview' is really funny!

"Animals, animals eating other animals. But the animals are already busy upgrading themselves, yes, to not have to feed off other animals. So we are busy working on that expression."

Watch out Monty Python, there is a new girl in town!
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For anyone who doubts what the agenda of this group is, you now know. A certain line has now been crossed as to which side this group has resided in.

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Make up your own mind, but IMO they are now asking for much more than just faith in what they are saying and claim to believe.
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Resistance is Futile.
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Hello. I agree with your statement that "The Animal Kingdom will change and many examples of Animal awareness transcending Human consciousness will be seen" because I had recently witnessed my cat puking on several occasions. I was able to connect her puking and the consumption of foods that were too low in quality (even for an animal!!!!) She is a senstive creature. She starts to hurl whenever she smells oil burning in my kitchen, and since then I have been purchasing more expensive foods for her. (NOT the 88-99¢ who-knows-what-it-is, horsemeat??? stuff) Namaste.
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These videos if you watch them long enough as I have for a few days completely talk in circles and if you were to totally follow them for a long enough period of time they would make you totally insane.
Good is bad but yet bad is good...dark is light and light is dark....they are not self serving but charge craploads of money for their sessions which to me is self serving..
We are all one but yet be one in yourself....be complete as one and on and on and on. The videos totally contradict themselves many times say there is no heaven but yet there is a heaven...there are demons but wait there really aren't demons anymore but then demons come and talk? Demons giving advice? Angels are bad and demons are good. There isn't a god but yet there is a god sometimes when it fits her video at that present time?? Anu created us but yet we create us and our reality...well which the hell is it??? lmao!
I am sad to say I followed for a bit...curiosity..it was amazing the acting abilities this girl has if anything..but the messages kept getting more reversed and crazy and glad I found some good insight from others here on this forum.
These people have thousands following them..charging $1200 per session if you really want to get into their whole save the world and humanity team. But yet they are all for equality and against the super wealthy people of the world?? Come on...another get rich with religion scheme! iamwith
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I've seen a few of her vids now and my impressions are that her heart is mostly in what most of us would call the right place. I tend not to believe that she can channel anything other than imagination, preconceive ideas and learned protocal. I think it takes a little more than a deep breath with eyes closed to change brain states. When I look at her I see a hypnotised child living out programing-yet far from all bad.

I do not believe her heart or anyone who has helped her create this..this belief hearts are in the right place. I believe they know exactly what they are doing and know the goal where they want this to take them. Power, money, greed, dominance (same as power basically) dictatorship etc is what runs their hearts and their minds.
Answer me this. If this Anu character really was enjoying his creation of this existence..and he was that intelligent to create all of this....why would he also create intelligent beings who would eventually try to defy him and then supposedly suceed in taking him down?
This would make a totally cool comic book story! But sad to say it is involving innocent people who are looking for direction and something to believe in. She is separating people from their loved ones and worst of all from themselves...their own minds.

Speaking of minds. If our minds were soo bad....wasn't it all in someones mind to start this whole thing? All of this entire load of crap is one big contradiction after another.
We as grown adults can see this..but our kids..younger adults who are wanting to fit in and find their place in this world are being sucked in....and that is wrong.
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Ok one more point....this is an excerpt quoted exactly from a message from their site...please let us view the following paragraph(s)directly from the site itself:

Several people will have a reaction of ´fear´ towards Desteni - as Desteni stands for Equality of Life and the End of all systems of abuse and of separation.
Thus in fact this ´fear´ is fear of Self as who we all really are. Within this is `fear of losing´ that which self has defined self by and as.
Because if you look at it, all systems of the world exist within and as self, including self-abuse, self-dishonesty, self-deception, manipulation and dishonor of Life.
Thus some will `prefer´ to `hold onto´ their beliefs and self-definitions; And specifically those that are having a life perceived to be ´easy´ and `working´, Equality of Life as who we all really are will often be feared because it will be perceived as a threat to their `belongings´, their `special treats´ and all that which self has identified with.

Thus in fact this fear is ´fear of death´ -death of what self has defined self by and as- thus in essence it is ´fear of Life´ as who we all really are.


Ok....so if you notice this is all about the people who so called "fear them" Pay attention about three fourths into it where it says "specifically those that are having a life perceived to be easy and working" So basically what they are saying is that they are praying on the weak, the ones who don't have life easy or their lives are working. This is just another way cults operate. They do go after people's weaknesses. And sooooo many contradictions just in those few words alone shows just how wishy washy their belief system is.
I don't mind people believing what they want to believe. But I do feel this is so very cult-like and that concerns me. It will be interesting to see where this all leads and if this "group" grows and gains a lot of followers. I hope not...but we shall see.
Ok I am done with my rant. Thanks for reading me.

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There's just something strange about it. I've seen alot of videos, a whole lot. I agree that they speak so passionately about everything, because they believe what they say to be true. Now...the truth is anybody's guess. But remember, the best lies are the ones mixed with 90% truth. So here you have a chick that claims to have supernatural capabilities of being a "portal". How does she or any of us know that her interdimensional beings are here to spread the so-called truth about existence? Ok, common sense tells us to respect one another, we are all one, we are responsible for the way things are on earth-this I agree with. So you are thinking Yes!Yes! She speaks the truth, it's gotta be the truth! Because the message is positive in nature. The rest must be true to then!Great. But then you add in a little of this like, you are a biological robot, etc. and to certain people despair sets in. Other people roll their eyes and think this chick is whack and move on. Then they add, hey this is just the truth, no one said it would be all fluffy. Well guess what, the ones that all of the sudden lose their faith that God is love, hell is there a God, and that there is a purpose in life starts questioning everything and become depressed. Well whether you are happy and pouring out positively charged energy, or depressed vibrating negative energy-you are giving off some kind of energy because you are energy. Since you were little, everyone knows there's always been a battle between good and evil. Well if you turn to despair, negativity, etc. beings that are apart of the the lucifer rebellion gladly accept you as a battery. What I'm saying is the beings that come through her, might not have your best interest at heart, and they know not everyone listening is going to get depressed, hell, some get a positive thing from it, but evil will take what it can get. And from what I am reading here, there's young people that accept her message and turn away from the light.
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The Steve Irwin 'interview' is really funny!

"Animals, animals eating other animals. But the animals are already busy upgrading themselves, yes, to not have to feed off other animals. So we are busy working on that expression."

Watch out Monty Python, there is a new girl in town!
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Hahahahaha this one video proves that she is lying her asre off.

It appears that Steve Irwin has kept his personality and loves etc.

But not once was there an aussie slang word thrown in - the language he lived off - no blimey, struth, g'day, mate, drongo, bloddy, etc...

And in life he never-ever refered to his kids as "his kids", always Bindi and Bob.

I'm an Aussie that grew up watching Steve's career - appearing on early morning kids shows, appearing on evening "live" shows such as Hey! Hey! It's Saturday and In Melbourne Tonight, etc.

If that was really Steve, there would be no slow odd sentences - always fast, always excited (esp exaggerating sounds of words - eg, instead of saying big he'd say "struth, look at the size of 'im! that's biiiiiiiig. big e'nuf to take me head off, blimey....)

Plus being the FIRST interview since death, it seems odd that the FIRST thing he DIDN'T do was to express important loving messages towards his extremely close family and ask for said messages to be forwarded!!!!! what are the chances that any Irwin relative will even watch this?

I dunno - if I were to be "portaled" after dying and was still basically me, the first thing i'd say to the "portal-person" would be "get this message to my family so that they can live happy, until then I give you no info - after they get the message I will help you - only fair". Plus, there's the proof of "portaling".

Where is Desteni's truth? Just hollow words that no-one can either argue are true or false - so no credibility can be given to the debunkers and no credibility can be given to the followers. As long as there is NO EVIDENCE ther is NO CONVICTION - that is playing the game smart, makes it hard for us to catch them out with nothing solid to oppose them with - just words vs. words till THEY slip up.

Like an earlier post, prove with digging up a lost pharoh. If I had this power I'd start small - locating dead pets to prove to neighbours - get the "genuine" public involved BEFORE, BEFORE, BEFORE ever going LIVE. Prove to entire towns and states, watching my back for the bad guys. No special effects, no "crew", no clothes even - anything to prove to the PUBLIC to gain their support and protection.

This hasn't been done yet. Either the true "super-people" are killed off early, all in hiding or don't exist. Randi has simple, simple, simple tests that nobody has passed. If I could even bend a plastic spoon with my mind i'd be on my way to collect the money, or to show on national TV first incase Randi is an assasin with money as bait.

Fucked up world. If this were a movie I'd intentionally piss and shit my pants to stay seated to watch the end. More twists and turns than a one-legged man with severe vertigo.
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Some people are so stupid.

For people saying there is no money being made, something like 'spiritual alignment course' for £100 is available in the forums.

The 'theory of everything' on her channel just talks in a weird voice about bubbles. There is no understanding of the universe there.

It also says that a very long time ago, there was a universe for each different 'thing/expression' a crystal universe, a glass universe and so on, and that the beings would be in 'essence' of that universe.
For one, there is nothing whatsoever given to support this.
Two, since different universes can be completely different from our own, like we have time and space, energy, matter, a different universe is a different existence and so saying there was a universe for crystals, wood, oxygen, or whatever is quite silly.

There is a thread in the forum ( [link to www.desteni.co.za] which takes 'unexplained mysteries' and 'explains' them.
(basically they just make up unfounded explanations.)

On the website:
'This is Mother Nature, coming through the Interdimensional Portal, sharing with you the events that are to take place here on earth in the near future.'
Yes, i'm sure mother nature makes the same grammatical and spelling errors as commonly made by desteni.

'For instance, pollution, which is accepted and believed to be the cause for Global Warming, is the manifested holographic projection of human beings' separation within themselves as one with who they are with nature.'
No, pollution is waste emissions from power sources like gas or coal. I fail to see how human beings being seperated causes pollution. When you take two twins and seperate them, is Co2 released into the atmosphere?
no. there is no evidence at all to believe what desteni says.

complete bullshit
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*I meant Structural Resonance ALLignment, not spiritual allignment
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Greetings. The whole Destini saga has been extremely interesting to watch unfold. I advised a dear friend of mine about this, Carol Hathor (google it if you're bored) because I was concerned about people being brainwashed by yet another religion (which is precisely what it is - "common sense" would tell you that and someone eloquently described the why of this in this very post). Below is her response but don't let me, her or anyone make you believe anything - decide for yourself:



To Destenei's Followers, from Carol Hathor:


Destenei's god-concept is ignorance at its zenith. She is spiritually immature, very much so.


Carol Hathor and her team of distance healers decided to put a stop to Desteni's religion. The first session was to heal Desteni (Sunette, the girl in the videos) of her karmic relationship with Bernard Poolman, spiritual capitalis$st and founder. How do we know these two are spiritual capitalists, with a neediness for followers? Let's start with their god concept: In Desteni's own words: "you cannot have true cruelty without free will --thus free will must be God and evil as its the source -- give up free will if you are good and you love life -- that is the test ... stop yourself -- stop free will" -- Desteni


That is all I needed to know, in order to request my Team to do a distance-healing session. If you are "good", then that is a free-will choice, Yes? If you want to be "wicked", to somehow rebel against "God", then that is perfectly understandable. I rebel against the Catholic/Christian paradigm that "God" only spawned one son, and no daughter? Is he stupid? So I do, myself vehemently oppose the god-concept that "god" is a man, more brutal than Hitler or Stalin... the most brutal of all, because "he" has the "power" to cast a woman to burn, in hell, for thousands and thousands and millions and millions of years, because she wore pale pink lipstick. So I do understand the rebellion against such a horrid god-concept, perpetrated for hundreds of years. 10 1/2 million pagans were genocided, in the Dark Ages, for the rise of the Catholic Church, and all intelligent people want to rebel against that ignorant god-concept. Truth is, we are all Gods, as Jesus said, Women included, Mary Magdalene included, his Wife, who was also a Christ, Women as Equal Gods. Jesus was not celibate and his wife was not a whore. We have been lied to, and our history robbed from us, and here comes Destenei, an ignorant girl, who intellectually masturbates about spiritual subjects, out of her own ignorance, a wee bit too much!


Seems to me that Desteni is using her free-will to fake "channeling" with "Jack" when she is really speaking her own mind. She knows that the world doesn't listen to women, that a man's opinion is automatically given more credibility. Hence "Jack" gives her credibility. (The head-bobbing is so fake, and actually comical) She knows how to "work it" I do understand her appeal -- to those who feel like "slaves" of the system. As she does herself. But "Jack" does not exist. The Team could find no entity "Jack". So, in order to be a "spin doctor", it's fashionable to be "channeling" some "entity" that is "greater" than us, because most people are programmed, through religions, to give their power away to another "God" instead of learning what it is like to fully Realize that We Are Gods. It's actually hilarious that she fakes "Jack" to give her own silly opinions credibility, seducing many people who so willingly give their own power away. Clever girl.


We did a session to dismantle this ignorant and childish religion, and here is the report of the session:


The Desteni Universe is designed for its followers to give their power away to Bernard Poolman, for his self-glorification. These are the words of Carol Hathor, a world-renowned distance healer, whose team of psychic healers "tuned in" to him, and this is their unanimous report: Bernard is a reincarnated harem-owner. For millions of years, women have been bought and sold as "soulless" servants to men, serving their lust and ego gratification of male supremacy over women. (For most women, this is their first lifetime in which they have been granted the rights to their own bodies, an education, and a career). Desteni and Bernard have a bond of hatred ("Hatred is often a stronger bond than love" -- Ramtha) because she was only an infant when she was sexually molested by Bernard and his boyfriends. Bernard became very addicted to power, because other men worshipped him for his wealth, in which he could purchase many women for them to use for loin gratification. Desteni lost all sense of normal boundaries to say "NO". Psychologists know that infants see their parents as "God", and when they are molested so early in life, they grow up thinking that "sex is love". Desteni is not herSelf. No Goddess in her right mind would be a "puppet" for a power-addict's neediness for self-glorification. Whew... yes, this is some very sick, psychotic shit going on. It is men's tendency to put the "evil woman" on the stake, but in truth, Bernard is totally and utterly responsible, karmically, for designing a new religion that influences people to fear the God within them.


The reason we decided to heal him is because in his next lifetime, he would have been doomed to reincarnate back in time (time is not linear, people!) and be tortured in the Spanish Inquisition, as "evil-in-his-soul". Let us hope that he will stop maddening women.


In the session, we also moved forward on the timeline, to see if there would be any psychic attack from Bernard to Carol Hathor, so that the Team would send it back to him and Carol would be safe. There was no attack. After this session, he is going to be very spacey and unable to hold a thought for very long, because we have dismantled his power-lust, and hatred of women. Desteni will begin to "come to her senses". She will recover from the abuse.


Here's the true God-Concept, from Ancient Egypt... from Ancient India... this is your God-Within You, and it is beautiful:


The Ancient God-Concept of Quantum Physics, as opposed to Male-Dominated Religions Around the World


The most important paradigm for understanding SoulWisdom's miracles is that the subconscious, the god-within, does not judge. SoulWisdom's "God-Concept", as understood from Ramtha's teachings, is that God is Everything -- it is the "platform of thought" that sees, allows, and loves Everything. It does not see that we are wrong or right. It just sees. And loves. It is Oneness with all things, so if we wish something on someone else, we're also wishing it onto ourselves. Another example is that if we hate someone, they're only reflecting back to us our own self-hatred. Masters who are awakening become acutely aware that what they see in another so are they. For how could we recognize something in someone else unless we have been the same way?

The God-within allows us to be, loves us, and says "so be it" to whatever we emotionally embrace. The more passionately we embrace anything -- fear or love, and anything in between -- the faster the experience of that emotion will manifest. This is the true paradigm that has been taught by Masters and Christs for eons -- that whatever we emotionally embrace becomes law in our kingdom. ~~ Beautifulllll


Please note: Carol Hathor will not respond to any of your emails unless you state, in the Subject Line, "I have read Ramtha, The White Book". And I know Carol... if you haven't read it and pretend that you did, she will know it, and she will delete your email. (I also know that Carol's "Team" is comprised of Righteous Men. Who know that "Men will not find their place in the world until women find theirs" -- Ramtha)
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The girl in the video is Sunette Spies. The more important question is WHO IS THE MAN BEHIND THE CAMERA? His name is Bernard Pooleman.

If you sample the videos from earliest to latest, it's very easy to figure out what is going on here.

To create your own cult:

STEP ONE: find a lost and impressionable soul, maybe in search of a father figure, and dislocate that person from their previous identity, in such a way that it's impossible to go back).

(We witness a teenage girl, propped in front of a camera for the world to see, speaking about masturbation, assuming the identity of TOILET PAPER, A DOLLAR BILL, A VIBRATOR, RICHARD PRYOR, A PSYCHO-KILLER, A WHALE).

STEP TWO: remake a new identity for that person, an identity which reinforces a separation and suspicion of society at large, and which is dependent on YOU for reinforcement. Mix in a lot of confusion, mysticism, and drugs.

(She's a "portal", goes by new names, shaves her head, learns "self-forgiveness, speaks of reptillian mind control, aliens, salvia (the most potent hallucinogen on earth), lives with Bernard on the farm)

STEP THREE: if this person has some charisma, use her to bring other lost souls into the fold

(step up internet web sites, use youtube, get the message out, and drop enough references to "life on the farm" around. encourage young people to come and check it out).

STEP FOUR: run these new recruits through bizarre and disorienting excercises (see any testimonial regarding life on the farm posted on the net... note the casual references to sex between group members).

As for WHY a middle aged man would want to surround himself with confused teenage girls who hang on his every pronouncement... we can only speculate.

The US had a very public version of this type of thing... it was made up of lost and drug-scrambled girls, a con-man, and a lot of ego-nullifying end of the world mystical clap-trap.

Read Destini's ten point Statement of process for Heaven on Earth... and think Squeeky Fromme.
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Hello,

I need to let you know about some very valuable information. I tried to post this material on the desteni site using an alternate account, and they deleted it! This information is so important! Please, I’m asking you to give this a chance. I mean this in all sincerity. Never underestimate the masters of mind control. This material is from www.xeeatwelve.com. There is an alternate site, www.xeeatwelve.net, that was created because the elite attempted to hack into her website to prevent people from reading the material.

This material does contain terms such as ‘light,‘ and ‘light workers.’ Please, don’t let some of the terminology dissuade you. It’s not meant in the negative connotation that your think about, and has no affiliation with the Galactic Federation of Light, or the Newagers, or desteni’s description of the white light construct (this part of desteni is probably somewhat accurate), or any baloney like that. Stanford exposes these as Annunaki programming, just as desteni does. In fact, it appears that much of the information desteni uses has actually been taken from the xeeatweleve website, but desteni has poisoned the information to their own agenda. Please, give this a chance, and take from it what you think is valuable, and post it on the desteni forum if you have enough courage. This information rivals the desteni material. I thought that I had finally found the truth when I encountered desteni. Now, I question their motives, and if you research the xeeatwelve material, you may question their motives as well. Think for yourselves. Always, always, always, think for yourselves! My conscience would not be clean if I did not show you this information! Thank you,

Zach

This is in response to your post Zach regarding Desteni website - I have been a member of Desteni for 2 years and I am still lmao at your post. You really don't have a clue what Desteni is about so you should really shut up. Every single thing you said about them is bullshit! They offer common sense tools for assisting self to become self honest with self. They offer real solutions for Life and solutions so that All may provide for themselves effectively and that All be see as we are in that we are All as One as Equal. Stop attempting to put fears into people that are based on your own fears. Also the only 'cult' that exists is the 'culture' we all accept and allow every single day. You want real discussions visit: www.desteni.co.za
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This is in response to your post Zach regarding Desteni website - I have been a member of Desteni for 2 years and I am still lmao at your post. You really don't have a clue what Desteni is about so you should really shut up. Every single thing you said about them is bullshit! They offer common sense tools for assisting self to become self honest with self. They offer real solutions for Life and solutions so that All may provide for themselves effectively and that All be see as we are in that we are All as One as Equal. Stop attempting to put fears into people that are based on your own fears. Also the only 'cult' that exists is the 'culture' we all accept and allow every single day. You want real discussions visit: www.desteni.co.za
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This is in response to your post Bill regarding Desteni website - I have been a member of Desteni for 2 years and I am still lmao at your post. You really don't have a clue what Desteni is about so you should really shut up. Every single thing you said about them is bullshit! They offer common sense tools for assisting self to become self honest with self. They offer real solutions for Life and solutions so that All may provide for themselves effectively and that All be see as we are in that we are All as One as Equal. Stop attempting to put fears into people that are based on your own fears. Also the only 'cult' that exists is the 'culture' we all accept and allow every single day. If you were banned from Desteni it's because of your obvious problems with self honesty and your expertise on self dishonesty. Desteni never asks you beLIEve them, what they do ask is that you become self honest and to see for yourself - something All will face whether we 'like' it or not. You want real discussions visit: www.desteni.co.za
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I have listened to the destini productions stuff before.
I swear to you. If you get into that stuff . you will waste your life. I can Guarantee that her stuff is crap.
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Normally I don’t endorse New Age Channeler’s but in this rare case I make an exception.

A few weeks ago I got private session with Desteni, an eighteen year old South African girl and cross channeler. Being skeptical of her claims I put her threw Shady’s Skeptical Examination and got a session with Jack her Spirit Guide.

Desteni scored 100% on all my questions. Not only this she literally revealed to me secrets that NO OTHER Living Humanbeing on the face of the Earth today would know about me. These were not generalities (as hoaxer channelers are fond of using) but 100% spot on specifics!

After my session I was stunned, goose bumps stunned and agast an remain so evern today. I have never in all my time investigating the Paranormal come across someone like her. I have a feeling that this Girl is not one of us. Either alien or true “Crystal Child.”


You can read more about and view her Youtube videos at:

[link to desteni.co.za]


In this piece Desteni channels the Mother Earth entity aka Gaia Consciousness. Basically she warns us that Global Warming will result in The Extinction of Mankind as it increases and triples in the next decade. That the ONLY way we can escape this fate is by collective (all of mankind) ascension now or its certain death for mankind.. Either way Gaia states emphatically that she’s done with us, (no longer will she nurse and cuddle us like the Mother she’s been) its time to let our brothers and sisters (the animal kingdom) take over the planet..

This ties into the Maya 2012 thing. Holographic Universe Theory, Even UFOs, Crop Circles *which are warnings* , even ties into Uncle John‘s theory of mass manipulation of mankind my ET entites (although Desteni covers that in her forum section “Topic Demons.” .

The piece is too long to post here. So here’s the link.

In my opinion this is a MUST read for everyone. It will shock you, it’s a blunt and shocking warning to mankind. Either we get our shit together NOW! Or Mother Nature WILL clean house of us and get rid of free loafers on the Earth. She also offers a way out of our mess, but will we take it before its too late?

[link to desteni.co.za]

This Mother Earth message hit hard for me, for exactly the dire feeling I've had since 1998 when I experienced full awakeful states Visions of a future earth (no more then 10-20 years out) where humanity was clinging on in isloated pockets, as all hell was breaking lose in the climate around them.

Those visions (the first and last time in my life) made what I am today a survivalist of sorts.


Desteni is NOT the typical New Age Channeler, her message is not "a Feel Good Be Happy" Message. its direct honest hard hitting truth.


Shady (aka Master Devlinn)

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Desteni - Future Events

Statement of process for Heaven on Earth.

Date : 25/03/2007







1. Heaven will withdraw World Leaders, Political Leaders, Religious Leaders, Corporate Leaders and Crime Leaders in months to come. This will Rock the World and shake the foundations of consciousness – Primary cause of death – Heart attacks.

2. New Illnesses – More devastating than anything before will be used to withdraw millions from earth – primary perimeters:
• Human with no chance of a better future through coming to awareness.
• Humans abusing others deliberately.
• Humans trapped in power, greed, deceit, jealousy or trapped as conscious systems supporting enslavement of man through polarity systems.

3. Many sports will be played by deaths – Sport has become a major ego driven money consciousness and will be cleansed through deaths in public view – Sport will become dangerous to those who defined themselves according to their achievements.

4. The Animal Kingdom will change and many examples of Animal awareness transcending Human consciousness will be seen.

5. Natural disasters will increase dramatically – especially in places on earth previously seen as safe either Politically or otherwise.

6. The Economy of the world will be shattered as the money system is not supporting life and equality.

7. Scientists will have their hands in their hair trying to make sense of Nature and Cycles.

8. Children will be able to see Beings from Heaven everywhere and communicate freely – Heaven will protect children as the future of Heaven on Earth and act appropriately in all instances of abuse.

9. All people will dream dreams and see visions – this will have a profound effect on self.

10. Ego and consciousness will die and life and awareness will remain – I remain.

Copyright 2007 www.desteni-universe.co.za. This may be shared in the original form only, to prevent any tampering and only as a complete document.
 Quoting: Nightshade 09



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Wow this is a long discussion.

I love Jesus.

Don't you?
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Generic rhetoric quoter spotted.

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Sunette speaks lies, you can see it in her eyes when she is speaking.





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