TRUST THE SCIENCE: Men went to the moon over 50 years ago...

Hell, I could do it with a budget of 1% of GNP over ten years.

The tech has come a long way. Avionics and propulsion especially.

I am amazed at what Musk, et al, have accomplished.

Two things they never solved, the thermal problem and the radiation problem.


Men can live in orbital spacecrfaft because they are inside the protective influence of the magnetosphere that deflects particle radiation, and only in the sunlight half the time. Even at half of their time in sunlight spacecraft became uncomfortably hot, research Skylab and Gemini. I have news for you, believe what you want but Apollo would have been a one way trip for a man, he'd have died on the way in a very unpleasant manner

Musk accomplished what science fiction did in 1929. His rockets even look hollywood.

I actually worked in Advanced Engineering with a couple of space radiation experts.

YES, the Apollo astronauts all got a good dose. They experienced seeing bright tracks of cosmic rays zipping through their eyeballs when their eyelids were closed.

A Mars mission over 3 years is currently not possible.

Few know it, but several Russian cosmonauts died of brain cancer after spending a year or more on their space station.

BUT, a trip to/from Luna would only be dangerous with a major solar eruption, or at least, that is what our scientists said.

I used to be a member of the Los Angeles Science Fantasy Society. Met a number of my favorite SF authors there.

I used to joke that the REAL Illuminati are the SF writers. They dream up a future and then all the engineers go to work to make it reality.

Remember that Von Braun was an SF enthusiast who created very practical rockets.

I am a retired aerospace engineer. Spent most of my career in Downey, CA where the Apollo capsules were fabricated and the Space Shuttles as well.

My old boss, Hank Hartsfield, who had been an astronaut since the 1960s was a CAPCOM (Capsule Communicator) on some Apollo missions. So, I knew lots of veterans of that program.

Do you think our enemies, the Russians and Chinese had competent engineers and scientists?

Do you think they had spies throughout NASA and Apollo, a civilian program with many foreign workers that did not even require security clearances?

Do you think our enemies would have known IMMEDIATELY if we faked it? Would that not be the best propaganda coup ever?

Nope, we went there. I have known a number of Apollo veterans. I was honored to be on a tech committee with Buzz Aldrin. Gene Cernan, Harrison Schmidt, et al.

Of course, that program had a blank check. It used 1% of GDP at it's height. In modern terms, that would be over $200B/year.

YES, we can return to Luna and build an outpost there. The tech is even better now.

Science fiction proves if we can imagine it we can do it.

We CAN travel in interplanetary /interstellar space, but not yet

Hank Hartsfield had a funny story.

In the early days of Apollo, the Houston guys, many of them WWII vets, did not trust Von Braun and his German engineering team.

At a meeting in Houston, Von Braun was asked about the reliability of the Saturn.

He turned to his team.

"Will the propulsion fail?" Propulsion guy said smartly "Nein!"

"Will the structure fail?" "Nein!"

and so on thru the team.

Von Braun turned to the Houston engineers and said

"There you have it. Five NEINS reliability".

Thats what they said in 1969, they know better now. The flux and energy levels of particle radiation inside of the VAB are highly unpredictable and reach levels that would be fatal in a matter of minutes to an Apollo astronaut.


12 men supposedly landed on the moon and not a one was even injured.12 million parts made by innumerable contractors all the lowest bidder and not a single injury.,

Because they never went anywhere.

Nope. Space travel is fiction dreamt up by satanists and Hollywood. The purpose is to brainwash society into serving their agenda, unwittingly.

All of you are either brainless pawns, evil sacks of shit who are aware of your lies, or both evil and retarded.

Nope. Space travel is fiction dreamt up by satanists and Hollywood. The purpose is to brainwash society into serving their agenda, unwittingly.

All of you are either brainless pawns, evil sacks of shit who are aware of your lies, or both evil and retarded.

Hank Hartsfield had a funny story.

In the early days of Apollo, the Houston guys, many of them WWII vets, did not trust Von Braun and his German engineering team.

At a meeting in Houston, Von Braun was asked about the reliability of the Saturn.

He turned to his team.

"Will the propulsion fail?" Propulsion guy said smartly "Nein!"

"Will the structure fail?" "Nein!"

and so on thru the team.

Von Braun turned to the Houston engineers and said

"There you have it. Five NEINS reliability".

I don't know where you got your radiation numbers. If true, the astronauts on ISS would all be dead. The Earth's magnetic field is not a perfect shield and ISS is in a fairly high orbit.

That cocksucker should have been hung for war crimes.

That's a pretty stupid story tbh.

Do you retards working for the military industrial complex get all excited and giddy every time a manager or "person of authority" tells this story? How many times have you heard it now?

"teeeheeehee Nein is German! And Von Braun was a Nazi! And I get all giddy about hearing german stuff since I'm an ENGINEER! teeehee!"

fagets

That's all you got? No $3.50 for you. No rice in your bowl tonight.

Yes, Von Braun and others DID bombard the UK. Of course, strategic bombing by the Allies killed far more civvies in Germany.

However, he was incredibly valuable to the USA. We used to say, "We captured the RIGHT Germans".

What was that guy's name in my early career? Gunter Schurr? Great guy who came over with the German rocket engineers.

Our former enemies became good allies.

$3.50?
Rice in your bowl?

The projections are real you china shill.
Getting desperate?

I don't know where you got your radiation numbers.

Look it up yourself. I've been studying the earths magnetosphere for 25 years.The inner Van Allen belt consists primarily of highly energetic protons, with energy levels exceeding 30 million electron volts.

The peak flux density of these protons is approximately 20,000 particles per second crossing a spherical area of one square cm in all directions.

This would kill you in seconds in a Apollo command module, the aluminum skin would exacerbate the problem, bathing the astronauts in Bremsstrahlung braking radiation in the x range. Keep in mind these readings are highly variable and almost instantly change form nothing to "electric funeral".

I am a retired aerospace engineer. Spent most of my career in Downey, CA where the Apollo capsules were fabricated and the Space Shuttles as well.

My old boss, Hank Hartsfield, who had been an astronaut since the 1960s was a CAPCOM (Capsule Communicator) on some Apollo missions. So, I knew lots of veterans of that program.

Do you think our enemies, the Russians and Chinese had competent engineers and scientists?

Do you think they had spies throughout NASA and Apollo, a civilian program with many foreign workers that did not even require security clearances?

Do you think our enemies would have known IMMEDIATELY if we faked it? Would that not be the best propaganda coup ever?

Nope, we went there.

Well, what you say is logical, certainly but there are too many questions I would have to ask you to ascertain whether or not your personal experience and conclusions are the result of compartmentalization, confirmation bias, hearsay, and possibly direct and intentional manipulation and deceit in order to carry forth an agenda.

Also, there's Obi-Wan's "Certain point of view" defense in which concepts like "The Moon" aren't clearly defined due to already established misinformation.

Example: I am (x) Astronaut and I went to the moon.

Well, what's the moon? You and I think it's a spherical rock orbiting the Earth.

But those who actually know may understand that the Moon that we see in the sky is a mirage of sorts, reflecting a larger earth that exists over ice wall boundaries.

Just as an example.

How do you KNOW what you think you KNOW?

You didn't go to the moon (I presume) but are still relying on the testimony of others.

Interesting research. However, all the Apollo astronauts I met were alive and healthy. Real world data outweighs a tech opinion.

This is like asking if the chinese and russians didn't know 9/11 was faked, or Biden is a fake president based on what happened in the elections.

Of course russia and china have competent spies, mathematicians, scientists of all kinds, and they know when bullshit is bullshit, even if they keep quiet for strategic reasons.

But the entire premise of this thread is denying that men went to the moon.. and then you claim that it's "real world data"??

"The reason why we know men went to the moon is because men went to the moon"

My god how fucking stupid are you

What is stupid is relying on utube for your education about the real world.

Ad astra

In case it was not clear, the premise of your thread is WRONG.

We did it. I was there afterwards. Thousands of people did not lie to the world without one giving away a big secret.

That's a pretty stupid story tbh.

Do you retards working for the military industrial complex get all excited and giddy every time a manager or "person of authority" tells this story? How many times have you heard it now?

"teeeheeehee Nein is German! And Von Braun was a Nazi! And I get all giddy about hearing german stuff since I'm an ENGINEER! teeehee!"

fagets