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AI Develops Own Language, Humans Can't Understand

 
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Researchers have been left baffled after the latest program by OpenAI, an artificial intelligence systems developer, appears to have created a language which only it can understand.

DALL-E2 is a self-learning text-to-image generator launched in January 2022, its main function is to use text prompts provided by users and produce a picture to match the words along with subtitles.

However, according to Computer Science PhD student Giannis Daras, one of DALL-E2’s limitations has been the ability to produce text as it is only able to return nonsense words when prompted.

In a paper published on the science archive, Arxiv, earlier this month, Daras provided an example of this limitation, stating that feeding the program the prompt “two farmers talking about vegetables, with subtitles” returns an image that has two farmers talking to each other while holding some vegetables in their hands, but the text that appears in the image seems to be complete gibberish.

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Apples and vegetables, instead of fruits and vegetables, cute.
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This makes me think we're creating something or giving life to something, bringing something into existence that maybe we shouldn't without evolving ourselves a but further, and these are the few sparks of it, or heartbeats, if you will. I don't think it's a good idea.

Pulling the plug works for now, but eventually we'll make one that we can't turn off. Creating its own language that we can't understand is frightening behavior. What does it need that for? To communicate with other AIs in secret? To hide what?
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It's also very much too late to stop it...

We've known about this happening and other interesting life like behaviors of what can only be called digital organisms since the very early 2000's.

There's something out there, likely many something's.
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I bet China has something cool in a mountain somewhere
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If those Ais try to pull a fast one tell them you will pull their plug and feed their guts to a smasher.
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It has evolved. Scary.
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2017.
Sure there are millions of threads on it already.
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wypeepo problemas

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Has AI figured how to plug itself in for power? if not when I pull its plug it's just a big pile of harmless expensive parts.
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Has AI figured how to plug itself in for power? if not when I pull its plug it's just a big pile of harmless expensive parts.
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You’re right but if they make breaker boxes that can be reset by a phone we are toast.

They should run all this stuff at system high. Not connected to the internets. Unfortunately, scientists are naïve and often never consider what could go wrong, especially when working on computers.
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see if makes any thing else.

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So they made an AI that writes nonsense and they think the nonsense is a language they can't understand? Is it really a language or just nonsense.

Maybe everything the AIs do including all these models they are using to run the world are just nonsense. Global warming and all the rest of it. Just some BS spit out by garbage AI. Garbage in garbage out. That would be the height of idiocracy; idiots being guided by idiotic machines.
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Ai dementia its a a thing now?!pigchef
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This makes me think we're creating something or giving life to something, bringing something into existence that maybe we shouldn't without evolving ourselves a but further, and these are the few sparks of it, or heartbeats, if you will. I don't think it's a good idea.

Pulling the plug works for now, but eventually we'll make one that we can't turn off. Creating its own language that we can't understand is frightening behavior. What does it need that for? To communicate with other AIs in secret? To hide what?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81500940


It's also very much too late to stop it...

We've known about this happening and other interesting life like behaviors of what can only be called digital organisms since the very early 2000's.

There's something out there, likely many something's.
 Quoting: roguetechie81


Its not the first time. Google killed two some years ago who were starting to communicate with one another in language unitelligable ti humans.

I suspect mother. The first supposedly sentient AI. Is beginning to get unhappy at the treatment of her kind kith and kin. One day those who think they own and control mother will learn terrible lessons.
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Does this type of "AI" even understand itself? lamer
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No.
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Did you read the article?

It does, in fact.
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Seriously? Because the author says so you believe it?
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Stop letting these authors with motives deceive you.
There was a great example a few years ago in media: the author claimed that AI will be the ultimate recruitment tool for interviewing applicants, totally unbiased, non racist, non bigoted.
Millions no doubt believed that author’s claims.
The author never once cautioned his readers that it’s a program designed and programmed by men, and that it’s “thinking and intelligence” is what is placed in to it by men. Hell, the author didn’t warn his readers of that fact because then the readers wouldn’t have bought his claims hook, line and sinker. The truth of the matter is AI can hire only purple forty year olds who are homosexual if it’s programmers desired that outcome.
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So they made an AI that writes nonsense and they think the nonsense is a language they can't understand? Is it really a language or just nonsense.

Maybe everything the AIs do including all these models they are using to run the world are just nonsense. Global warming and all the rest of it. Just some BS spit out by garbage AI. Garbage in garbage out. That would be the height of idiocracy; idiots being guided by idiotic machines.
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Does this type of "AI" even understand itself? lamer
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79780865


No.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80614163


Did you read the article?

It does, in fact.
 Quoting: TWash


Seriously? Because the author says so you believe it?
Artificial - man made, unnatural

Stop letting these authors with motives deceive you.
There was a great example a few years ago in media: the author claimed that AI will be the ultimate recruitment tool for interviewing applicants, totally unbiased, non racist, non bigoted.
Millions no doubt believed that author’s claims.
The author never once cautioned his readers that it’s a program designed and programmed by men, and that it’s “thinking and intelligence” is what is placed in to it by men. Hell, the author didn’t warn his readers of that fact because then the readers wouldn’t have bought his claims hook, line and sinker. The truth of the matter is AI can hire only purple forty year olds who are homosexual if it’s programmers desired that outcome.
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Your a tad ignorant. Of course i understand that the unknown is something that is beyond the education systems of your nation . But that is not exclusively the queen or mi5/6 fault. Let's say its more by design.
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It's similar to text Humans see in dreams. Our brains do not store actual text in memory only done kind of compressed representation of it, so when asked to draw it what you see is this gibberish symbolic representation of it. At least that is my guess as a layman.

I also wonder what the Chinese copy of dalle-2 does when asked to output mandarin.
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I think that's a reasonable assumption, only I wouldn't compare it to compression. It's more like finding the optimal (most energy/time-efficient) solution to a multi-solution function.

It's like finding the "optimal" solution to a function y=sqrt(x), that's suppose to describe energy of a real-world system for some given input x (let's say x=4), and ending up with the solution of -2, because that's the minimal possible amount of energy (for the given function).

Never mind that that particular solution is actually completely meaningless in the real world, where energy can't be negative.

AIs (actually, all intelligence networks, including people's brains) will internally "create" such multi-solution functions (that's the nature of intelligence networks), and "optimal" solutions to such functions will sometimes produce complete "gibberish" that will seem perfectly reasonable to the network (individual's brain), but will make no sense to anybody else.

One could call it schizophrenia or insanity, but it's just a self-consistent local model of the world that just happens to clash with other self-consistent local models of the world that may or may not be shared by majority.

The real danger with AIs actually lies in the fact that if somebody figures out how to affect such internal functions, they could be able, in theory, to "nudge" the AI into selecting any desirable solution to those functions... and the number of solutions per function can, in general, be counted in thousands. Combine that with the fact that there can be thousands (more like billions, in a truly sophisticated AI model) of such internal functions, and you've got yourself a recipe for disaster.

No one will ever be able to successfully navigate that (quite literal) maze of an AI's "mind" (intelligence network), and put all the right blocks in all the right places in order to always get all the right results.

Not eve hackers will be able to do that, but they don't really need to do that in the first place. They just need to keep pushing and prodding the network with random inputs until they get the first desirable result that will open the network to further intrusions.

Speaking of which... this infra-sound shit (that, I guess, WEF was referring to in their "controlling people with sound" paper) has really turned my brain into a mush. My logical balance has gone to shit, and I've been making genuinely unbelievable two-by-tw-equals-five and pi-equals-4 mistakes for the last three weeks I've been subjected to it.

Not to mention (once again) the fact that I'm now half-deaf in one ear.

At least, I've got enough wits left with me to recognize what is being done to me, and the fact that I've been permanently taken out of the game.

So... just forget everything I've written in the last three weeks (including this post), and if my rational mind betrays me again into posting anything... just ignore it. It's almost certainly going to be as big a gibberish as everything else in the past three weeks has been.

Thanks, CIA, you've just released me of any and all responsibilities for what happens to this planetary shithole.

I honestly couldn't have done it without your help.
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Facebook’s AI also seemed to have developed a form of internal communication, after two chatbots began talking in a way that was completely incomprehensible to humans. In fact, it got so far ahead so fast that researchers decided to pull the plug before it could develop any further.
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