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FUNNY HOW QUICK THEY TURN: California to Pivot to Fossil Fuels to Avoid Blackouts, Macron asks US For Oil, China Still uses oil and coal.

 
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FUNNY HOW QUICK THEY TURN: California to Pivot to Fossil Fuels to Avoid Blackouts, Macron asks US For Oil, China Still uses oil and coal.
California is hardly the first state to realize that transitioning to renewable energy is easier said than done.


In May, The Wall Street Journal reported that energy grid operators across the US were bracing for rolling blackouts heading into the summer.

“I am concerned about it,” MISO CEO John Bear told the newspaper, noting that green energy sources were struggling to produce enough supply to meet rising demand. “As we move forward, we need to know that when you put a solar panel or a wind turbine up, it’s not the same as a thermal resource.”

Nearly two months later, it’s clear that grid operators were not crying wolf.

On Friday, the Associated Press reported that California—a state desperately trying to “quit” fossil fuels—is seeking to tap fossil fuel to avoid blackouts.

“A sweeping energy proposal Gov. Gavin Newsom signed Thursday puts the state in the business of buying power to ensure there’s enough to go around during heat waves that strain the grid. But some critics say the method of getting there is at odds with the state’s broader climate goals, because it paves the way for the state to tap aging gas-fired power plants and add backup generators fueled by diesel.”
is this to use up oil faster then ??? if there is no diesel you are SOL

Unlike most states, California gets most of its electricity—nearly 60 percent—from renewable sources. But the AP notes the state lacks the storage capacity to dispatch sufficient energy when intermittent energy sources are not producing, something Newsom’s proposal seeks to address. THE DROUGHT WONT POWER DAMS

The governor’s proposal would help “keep the lights on in California,” The Los Angeles Times notes, “making it easier for solar and wind farm developers to sidestep local government opposition, and limiting environmental reviews for all kinds of energy projects.”

The proposal would also likely serve as a lifeline to beachfront gas plants, as well as the Diablo Canyon nuclear plant, the Golden State’s largest power plant and only operating nuclear facility.

‘We Feel Double-Crossed’
At first blush, Gov. Newsom’s proposal makes perfect sense. But there’s more to the story.

As I noted in May, energy industry leaders had made it clear that grids are struggling to keep pace with rising energy demands as plants shift from thermal energy sources to renewables.

But California is already familiar with blackouts.

In August 2020, the state experienced a series of rolling blackouts that captured national attention. (This didn’t stop lawmakers from banning gas-powered generators the following year, something many Californians turned to to keep the lights on during the blackouts.)

Following the blackouts, the state water board agreed to allow gas-fired power plants in Redondo Beach, Huntington to continue operating for three additional years, even though they were slated for retirement.

“We feel double-crossed,” Redondo Beach Mayor Bill Brand told the Times. “These retirement dates were set 12 years ago.”

Brand has a point.

Newsom has repeatedly called for the phasing out of fossil fuels and denied that doing so would have an adverse economic effect. His pivot to fossil fuels is prudent because it will reduce the dangerous possibility that Calfornians will again find themselves without power during the peak heat of summer, but it’s also a betrayal ideologically.

For progressives, California is America’s energy blueprint, the model showing the way forward on “green” energy. Turning back to fossil fuels is a move that runs against Newsom’s own rhetoric and the progressive vision of our energy future. It’s an admission that fossil fuels aren’t just important but necessary to human survival.



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California is hardly the first state to realize that transitioning to renewable energy is easier said than done.


In May, The Wall Street Journal reported that energy grid operators across the US were bracing for rolling blackouts heading into the summer.

“I am concerned about it,” MISO CEO John Bear told the newspaper, noting that green energy sources were struggling to produce enough supply to meet rising demand. “As we move forward, we need to know that when you put a solar panel or a wind turbine up, it’s not the same as a thermal resource.”

Nearly two months later, it’s clear that grid operators were not crying wolf.

On Friday, the Associated Press reported that California—a state desperately trying to “quit” fossil fuels—is seeking to tap fossil fuel to avoid blackouts.

“A sweeping energy proposal Gov. Gavin Newsom signed Thursday puts the state in the business of buying power to ensure there’s enough to go around during heat waves that strain the grid. But some critics say the method of getting there is at odds with the state’s broader climate goals, because it paves the way for the state to tap aging gas-fired power plants and add backup generators fueled by diesel.”
is this to use up oil faster then ??? if there is no diesel you are SOL

Unlike most states, California gets most of its electricity—nearly 60 percent—from renewable sources. But the AP notes the state lacks the storage capacity to dispatch sufficient energy when intermittent energy sources are not producing, something Newsom’s proposal seeks to address. THE DROUGHT WONT POWER DAMS

The governor’s proposal would help “keep the lights on in California,” The Los Angeles Times notes, “making it easier for solar and wind farm developers to sidestep local government opposition, and limiting environmental reviews for all kinds of energy projects.”

The proposal would also likely serve as a lifeline to beachfront gas plants, as well as the Diablo Canyon nuclear plant, the Golden State’s largest power plant and only operating nuclear facility.

‘We Feel Double-Crossed’
At first blush, Gov. Newsom’s proposal makes perfect sense. But there’s more to the story.

As I noted in May, energy industry leaders had made it clear that grids are struggling to keep pace with rising energy demands as plants shift from thermal energy sources to renewables.

But California is already familiar with blackouts.

In August 2020, the state experienced a series of rolling blackouts that captured national attention. (This didn’t stop lawmakers from banning gas-powered generators the following year, something many Californians turned to to keep the lights on during the blackouts.)

Following the blackouts, the state water board agreed to allow gas-fired power plants in Redondo Beach, Huntington to continue operating for three additional years, even though they were slated for retirement.

“We feel double-crossed,” Redondo Beach Mayor Bill Brand told the Times. “These retirement dates were set 12 years ago.”

Brand has a point.

Newsom has repeatedly called for the phasing out of fossil fuels and denied that doing so would have an adverse economic effect. His pivot to fossil fuels is prudent because it will reduce the dangerous possibility that Calfornians will again find themselves without power during the peak heat of summer, but it’s also a betrayal ideologically.

For progressives, California is America’s energy blueprint, the model showing the way forward on “green” energy. Turning back to fossil fuels is a move that runs against Newsom’s own rhetoric and the progressive vision of our energy future. It’s an admission that fossil fuels aren’t just important but necessary to human survival.



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last week Macron requested increase in US production because they need oil in europ

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then two days later:
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and then this

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and theres more

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Coastie Patriot
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THE SAME PEOPLE WHO SAID NO GUNS BECAUSE OF POLICE NOW WANT TO DEFUND THE POLICE!!!!

Dr Thaddeus They
They don't really care whether the truth gets out, because the public no longer knows what's meant by "the truth."

Well, I mean, no one can tell the difference anymore between what's real and what's fake.

Anyway, the point is, I can tell you all of this, right out in the open, because it doesn't matter who knows about it. They won't know whether to believe it or not.-
X Files: Lost art of Forehead Sweat

A gun is a tool, Marion, no better or no worse than any other tool, an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that.
-SHANE-

Jefferson Smith: You see, boys forget what their country means by just reading The Land of the Free in history books. Then they get to be men they forget even more. Liberty's too precious a thing to be buried in books, Miss Saunders. Men should hold it up in front of them every single day of their lives and say: I'm free to think and to speak. My ancestors couldn't, I can, and my children will. Boys ought to grow up remembering that . - MR Smith Goes To Washington-

to grow up remembering th

My oath to support and defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic has no expiration date!!!

Ten Bears : It's sad that governments are chiefed by the double tongues. There is iron in your words of death for all Comanche to see and so there is iron in your words of life. No signed paper can hold the iron. It must come from men. Outlaw Josey Wales
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Backed into a corner by their own virtue-signaling policy. Delicious!
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great reset backlash. Is it too late, most likely.
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Backed into a corner by their own virtue-signaling policy. Delicious!
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More material for the campaign trail!
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Well, all that 'Green' shit sounds good on legislative paper, but the real world is a little harder on illogical and unachievable dreams. Then their Dreams, become our nightmares.

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Well, all that 'Green' shit sounds good on legislative paper, but the real world is a little harder on illogical dreams.
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Unicorn ejaculate produce electrical generation rainbows.
Trust the science.

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Lip service to keep the natives from going native...

Bandaide to carry the ball further down the road...

they know they rolled this shit out to fast before the great culling with the shots.

this time next year they will reverse course...

make my words and this post...wait and see.
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Well, all that 'Green' shit sounds good on legislative paper, but the real world is a little harder on illogical dreams.
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Unicorn ejaculate produce electrical generation rainbows.
Trust the science.

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Exactly...Mana from heaven ain't gonna charge the Electric Vehicles they are pushing.

Horse and buggy, the new green transportation initiative.

I guess the Amish were ahead of the curve.

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These idiots, they bitch about global warming and say we are going to get off of fossil fuels BUT have done nothing to build alternate industry to do it. And the international economy is still based on the Petro Dollar. Electric cars are a joke too.
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These mother effin hypocrites!!! Didn’t they just declare that all vehicles in California would be electric by 2025?!
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Well, all that 'Green' shit sounds good on legislative paper, but the real world is a little harder on illogical and unachievable dreams. Then their Dreams, become our nightmares.
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Exactly. These tree-hugging morons need to realize the only green the elites are concerned with is cash - greenbacks.
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Well, all that 'Green' shit sounds good on legislative paper, but the real world is a little harder on illogical dreams.
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Unicorn ejaculate produce electrical generation rainbows.
Trust the science.

unicorn-1stream
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Exactly...Mana from heaven ain't gonna charge the Electric Vehicles they are pushing.

Horse and buggy, the new green transportation initiative.

I guess the Amish were ahead of the curve.
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only till your horse farts once and then it is bad for the environment, point here is they use it when the want to Like the kardashian flying 30 min to plam springs in lieu of a 1 hr 50 min drive.... way less fuel though.

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bunch of billionaires meeting for summer camp wiht jets and gas guzzling suv's

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Lip service to keep the natives from going native...

Bandaide to carry the ball further down the road...

they know they rolled this shit out to fast before the great culling with the shots.

this time next year they will reverse course...

make my words and this post...wait and see.
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The spice must flow.They are trying to control , herd, and subjugate . Do not comply! Gavin is one of their bitches .
Californians are idiots and will re-elect this clown
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Backed into a corner by their own virtue-signaling policy. Delicious!
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Good stuff!
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All power producers are required to meet NERC standards for reliability.

How do you make a solar farm reliable? Clouds are a threat you can not avoid. At dusk the sun goes down poof no more power.

Wind turbines don’t do much if the wind isn’t blowing.

Hydro plants are great until there is a drought and there isn’t enough water to maintain water levels and generate at the same time.

My point being right now nuclear, natural gas, fuel oil and coal are reliable sources. These are the mainstay of our generation until the next best thing comes around. A mixture of these is what a good energy portfolio should look like.

Renewables are good supplements but are not dependable.
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California is hardly the first state to realize that transitioning to renewable energy is easier said than done.


In May, The Wall Street Journal reported that energy grid operators across the US were bracing for rolling blackouts heading into the summer.

“I am concerned about it,” MISO CEO John Bear told the newspaper, noting that green energy sources were struggling to produce enough supply to meet rising demand. “As we move forward, we need to know that when you put a solar panel or a wind turbine up, it’s not the same as a thermal resource.”

Nearly two months later, it’s clear that grid operators were not crying wolf.

On Friday, the Associated Press reported that California—a state desperately trying to “quit” fossil fuels—is seeking to tap fossil fuel to avoid blackouts.

“A sweeping energy proposal Gov. Gavin Newsom signed Thursday puts the state in the business of buying power to ensure there’s enough to go around during heat waves that strain the grid. But some critics say the method of getting there is at odds with the state’s broader climate goals, because it paves the way for the state to tap aging gas-fired power plants and add backup generators fueled by diesel.”
is this to use up oil faster then ??? if there is no diesel you are SOL

Unlike most states, California gets most of its electricity—nearly 60 percent—from renewable sources. But the AP notes the state lacks the storage capacity to dispatch sufficient energy when intermittent energy sources are not producing, something Newsom’s proposal seeks to address. THE DROUGHT WONT POWER DAMS

The governor’s proposal would help “keep the lights on in California,” The Los Angeles Times notes, “making it easier for solar and wind farm developers to sidestep local government opposition, and limiting environmental reviews for all kinds of energy projects.”

The proposal would also likely serve as a lifeline to beachfront gas plants, as well as the Diablo Canyon nuclear plant, the Golden State’s largest power plant and only operating nuclear facility.

‘We Feel Double-Crossed’
At first blush, Gov. Newsom’s proposal makes perfect sense. But there’s more to the story.

As I noted in May, energy industry leaders had made it clear that grids are struggling to keep pace with rising energy demands as plants shift from thermal energy sources to renewables.

But California is already familiar with blackouts.

In August 2020, the state experienced a series of rolling blackouts that captured national attention. (This didn’t stop lawmakers from banning gas-powered generators the following year, something many Californians turned to to keep the lights on during the blackouts.)

Following the blackouts, the state water board agreed to allow gas-fired power plants in Redondo Beach, Huntington to continue operating for three additional years, even though they were slated for retirement.

“We feel double-crossed,” Redondo Beach Mayor Bill Brand told the Times. “These retirement dates were set 12 years ago.”

Brand has a point.

Newsom has repeatedly called for the phasing out of fossil fuels and denied that doing so would have an adverse economic effect. His pivot to fossil fuels is prudent because it will reduce the dangerous possibility that Calfornians will again find themselves without power during the peak heat of summer, but it’s also a betrayal ideologically.

For progressives, California is America’s energy blueprint, the model showing the way forward on “green” energy. Turning back to fossil fuels is a move that runs against Newsom’s own rhetoric and the progressive vision of our energy future. It’s an admission that fossil fuels aren’t just important but necessary to human survival.



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Little do they realize that because of Biden that will not work either lol!

Can't switch to oil if there's no oil to buy lmao
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Umm yeah oil and coal have the highest energy density of any of our fuel sources other than nuclear energy. And the green lobby has prevented new construction of reactors so what are you going to do?

They will continue to use coal. If we are smart, we'll lobby hard to begin building nuclear reactors before it's too late.
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Backed into a corner by their own virtue-signaling policy. Delicious!
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Isn’t it
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Umm yeah oil and coal have the highest energy density of any of our fuel sources other than nuclear energy. And the green lobby has prevented new construction of reactors so what are you going to do?

They will continue to use coal. If we are smart, we'll lobby hard to begin building nuclear reactors before it's too late.
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Nuclear reactors are only as safe as the government is trustworthy.
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The commies think and plan with their heart. Their plans are usually a virtue signal, which fails, then they double down, fail again, then ask for a bailout, get it, then go back to failed plan.
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Umm yeah oil and coal have the highest energy density of any of our fuel sources other than nuclear energy. And the green lobby has prevented new construction of reactors so what are you going to do?

They will continue to use coal. If we are smart, we'll lobby hard to begin building nuclear reactors before it's too late.
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Nuclear reactors are only as safe as the government is trustworthy.
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Most reactors were built in the 60s-70s to produce weapons grade uranium and power. There have been a lot of improvements in the design over the past 50 years





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