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I pray god send no one to hell but instead changes them and makes them non evil
Why if god is all powerful would he torture any of his creations if he can make them righteous and whole?

Seems evil to torture anyone or destroy anyone for eternity?

Maybe god is better than depicted in man’s religions?
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Why if god is all powerful would he torture any of his creations if he can make them righteous and whole?

Seems evil to torture anyone or destroy anyone for eternity?

Maybe god is better than depicted in man’s religions?
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Why would they need to be made righteous and whole if God knew how to make them in the first place? And the men who wrote those religions are the ones you seek to protect. The people they've already had killed over them are gone forever and not coming back. Don't they deserve justice? Plus, if you hadn't gotten enough power to feel safe, you'd still be persecuting heretics along with the rest of them. Even now, you refuse to speak truth to power; there's nothing brave about speaking out against the fictional God once you got what you wanted out of him, now is there?
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Why if god is all powerful would he torture any of his creations if he can make them righteous and whole?

Seems evil to torture anyone or destroy anyone for eternity?

Maybe god is better than depicted in man’s religions?
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No can do. Humans have free will, to choose good over evil. If they fail to do so, it’s on them.

God doesn’t want robots. He tried that with angels; it didn’t work out well at all.
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Re: I pray god send no one to hell but instead changes them and makes them non evil
God doesn't torture anyone.
God is pure and unchanging. God separates those who didn't accept the free gift of salvation by covering us with purity so we can dwell with God.

God waned the separation would be awful. Eternity hot lonely eternal.
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You have freewill, if he makes them non evil that will be breaking the gift of freewill.

We learn through cause and effect to be better beings.
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What You Must Know Before You Die

12. …the minority of people who were deliberately cruel, willfully evil, and knowingly selfish would have lower vibrations compared to the average decent person. Those with the lowest vibrations will find themselves in the lowest vibrational afterlife realm where conditions are horrendous. Information transmitted from the otherside tells us in crystal clear terms that this lowest vibrational realm is so horrible we do not have the vocabulary to describe the heinous conditions. Some from the otherside - such as Hugh Benson in the Anthony Borgia afterlife books, have tried but the description was limited because our vocabulary is restricted. He said words to the effect this lowest realm is dark, very cold, putrid in the extreme and inhabited by horrible entities who deliberately give each other horrible experiences.

13. But NOBODY sends people to this realm. It's all governed by the law of physics- the law of attraction -like level of vibrations attracts like level of vibrations. And if someone from the earthplane crosses over with extremely low vibrations (lowest spirituality), he/she will automatically be attracted to the lowest vibrating realm which can accommodate his/her level of vibrations. No one with lowest vibrations is able to inhabit the higher vibrational realms.

14. The Law of Cause and Effect also becomes operational. 'You reap what you sow' is a most powerful inevitable law. No one escapes this law; no one can erase the law of retribution. But there is also the Law of Progress which means that even if it takes eaons of time - thousands of years in earth's time, all those who crossed over to the afterlife and who send themselves in the lowest realms will at one time or another come back to the light of the higher realms.

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Why if god is all powerful would he torture any of his creations if he can make them righteous and whole?

Seems evil to torture anyone or destroy anyone for eternity?

Maybe god is better than depicted in man’s religions?
 Quoting: Xeven


God is an observer of free will

It is up to the evil one's to repent if they wish forgiveness for their actions
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Free will is nowhere discussed until religious authorities used philosophy to create theology. It's about adding an additional layer of security to their position. Here is where persecuting heretics begins, and they empowered the very worst people to railroad the good ones who objected to their vicious politics. Everyone having obviously participated in this lying and cruelty, they are collectively guilty of it, as is every subsequent generation that does not speak candidly about the problem and its cause.

It all comes down to whether you believe it is more important that a person be pious or that a person be loyal. You chose loyal, protected bad people, and hurt good ones. And in the end it didn't save you from what you thought it would, while God avenged the blood of the people you railroaded and made you watch as the 'loyal' abandoned you for their own selfish interests. Now you want saints, but you've already made clear what you think of them, and self-sacrifice, and people who do good because it makes them feel good, but not because they are following orders.

Your priorities as a community are fucked up, and your fucked up version God is proof of that. You don't deserve anybody's help, and especially not that of those who are poorer and weaker than you. Haven't you used, terrorized, and hurt them enough?
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What You Must Know Before You Die

12. …the minority of people who were deliberately cruel, willfully evil, and knowingly selfish would have lower vibrations compared to the average decent person. Those with the lowest vibrations will find themselves in the lowest vibrational afterlife realm where conditions are horrendous. Information transmitted from the otherside tells us in crystal clear terms that this lowest vibrational realm is so horrible we do not have the vocabulary to describe the heinous conditions. Some from the otherside - such as Hugh Benson in the Anthony Borgia afterlife books, have tried but the description was limited because our vocabulary is restricted. He said words to the effect this lowest realm is dark, very cold, putrid in the extreme and inhabited by horrible entities who deliberately give each other horrible experiences.

13. But NOBODY sends people to this realm. It's all governed by the law of physics- the law of attraction -like level of vibrations attracts like level of vibrations. And if someone from the earthplane crosses over with extremely low vibrations (lowest spirituality), he/she will automatically be attracted to the lowest vibrating realm which can accommodate his/her level of vibrations. No one with lowest vibrations is able to inhabit the higher vibrational realms.

14. The Law of Cause and Effect also becomes operational. 'You reap what you sow' is a most powerful inevitable law. No one escapes this law; no one can erase the law of retribution. But there is also the Law of Progress which means that even if it takes eaons of time - thousands of years in earth's time, all those who crossed over to the afterlife and who send themselves in the lowest realms will at one time or another come back to the light of the higher realms.

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Endorsing that viewpoint means refuting the Aristotelian version that invents the heretic out of thin air, and discussing what kind of person would do that to his fellow human beings. Not to do so would be a partial truth, and that's just as good as lying. You can't have it both ways.
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Re: I pray god send no one to hell but instead changes them and makes them non evil
Why if god is all powerful would he torture any of his creations if he can make them righteous and whole?

Seems evil to torture anyone or destroy anyone for eternity?

Maybe god is better than depicted in man’s religions?
 Quoting: Xeven


No can do. Humans have free will, to choose good over evil. If they fail to do so, it’s on them.

God doesn’t want robots. He tried that with angels; it didn’t work out well at all.
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That isn't actually the truth. Human brains dictate the behavior they have in life. From the start, I mean the very first human its brain dictated the behavior it would have.
You give a woman a brain like the one she had, she will 100% disobey you and you give a man a brain like the one he had he will 100% do whatever the woman wants because of the way his brain works.
All races brains determine the lives they will live and the future fate their race will have.
Had I been sitting with God with the knowledge I possess right now when he made man I would have said "you know they are going to kill each other and sin for as long as they exist right?"

But there are GOOD people, through all odds they exist in this time with all the knowledge that has ever existed right at their finger tips.

Why I mentioned this is because you brought up angels.
Those angels rebelled and turned on God trying to usurp authority over all reality. My guess is because they were made and didn't have to fight back against sin, they have no balance.
That was probably a huge miscalculation. It would be like giving wild monkeys loaded rocket launchers that have no safety and the trigger is a string with a banana on the end you have to pull to set it off.

There's a story about God worried that humans would eat from the tree of life and become immortal. So he put up giant flaming words to protect it and removed them from Eden.
I suppose this was done so we didn't end up like the angels, without a full range of emotions, without understanding, without wisdom, and turned into immortals.

Now every screw up we make we learn from, REPENT, and make ourselves better. It's said when we do this for God angels chant, and they praise God in Heaven.
Our mortal, fragile lives are probably a type of training program. If you succeed you move on if you don't your soul has to repeat the training program which has been dubbed Hell.

tlr; oh well I just rambled on anyways.
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Re: I pray god send no one to hell but instead changes them and makes them non evil
Why if god is all powerful would he torture any of his creations if he can make them righteous and whole?

Seems evil to torture anyone or destroy anyone for eternity?

Maybe god is better than depicted in man’s religions?
 Quoting: Xeven

don't put you version of morality on God. Yours in wrong and incomplete.
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Re: I pray god send no one to hell but instead changes them and makes them non evil
I'm not judging him he seems to have every reason on the wall to do so so good luck
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Why if god is all powerful would he torture any of his creations if he can make them righteous and whole?

Seems evil to torture anyone or destroy anyone for eternity?

Maybe god is better than depicted in man’s religions?
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You are asking the right questions OP...


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Re: I pray god send no one to hell but instead changes them and makes them non evil
Interesting concept. Praying for the evil ones to 'vibrate higher' probably just irritates them.
Revelation 9:6

6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
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Re: I pray god send no one to hell but instead changes them and makes them non evil
Right on OP!

Better to wish this than to feed hate into the equation ;)

That is the trick of old dogmas - they want limit love and keep the fear and hate train rolling

It is possible to self-defend and even disarm evil while still holding love in your heart ;)

hf
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Re: I pray god send no one to hell but instead changes them and makes them non evil
All will be healed and resolved before the end of linear time in this finite universe

It's a set track ;)
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Re: I pray god send no one to hell but instead changes them and makes them non evil
That's called Universalism.
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That's called Universalism.
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That’s big of you.

I don’t have that compassion for those responsible for the current worldwide genocide.

I’d like to see them hanged.
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Why if god is all powerful would he torture any of his creations if he can make them righteous and whole?

Seems evil to torture anyone or destroy anyone for eternity?

Maybe god is better than depicted in man’s religions?
 Quoting: Xeven


people have free will and karma. god is not going to cancel karma or free will just to save a few souls that have attuned themselves to Cancerous energies.
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Re: I pray god send no one to hell but instead changes them and makes them non evil
Free will
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I've said this a few times before but I don't want to or care to go to Heaven. This is Hell, here on Earth. Why would I want to go somewhere heavenly when everyone else is left here suffering after?

Send me to Hell, fuck this gay Earth
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Seems a lot more reasonable.
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definitely. I would think that anything you do wrongful in this life has to be fixed in the next?
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Why if god is all powerful would he torture any of his creations if he can make them righteous and whole?

Seems evil to torture anyone or destroy anyone for eternity?

Maybe god is better than depicted in man’s religions?
 Quoting: Xeven


I am so grateful God is not the control freak you wish he was.

He doesn't force anyone to do, believe, or become something they don't actually want for themselves.

When you take drugs until your brain is fried, that's some personal hell. When you rape and kill until you unmake your own soul, that is part of hell.
When you bow down and worship the system of medicine, insurance or religion until your own children hate you for it, that is hell.
When you choose your own life over the life of your child and develop breast cancer, that is a corner in hell.
The fires of hell are the result of choice, not of God's desire to control.

Hell is made from the fires we choose over goodness. And it will burn us as long as it takes for us to choose differently.

God gave us that choice. And on top of that, he gave us eternal souls, part of his own, so that no matter how long it takes, we'll eventually figure it out.
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Why if god is all powerful would he torture any of his creations if he can make them righteous and whole?

Seems evil to torture anyone or destroy anyone for eternity?

Maybe god is better than depicted in man’s religions?
 Quoting: Xeven


No can do. Humans have free will, to choose good over evil. If they fail to do so, it’s on them.

God doesn’t want robots. He tried that with angels; it didn’t work out well at all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83864825


That isn't actually the truth. Human brains dictate the behavior they have in life. From the start, I mean the very first human its brain dictated the behavior it would have.
You give a woman a brain like the one she had, she will 100% disobey you and you give a man a brain like the one he had he will 100% do whatever the woman wants because of the way his brain works.
All races brains determine the lives they will live and the future fate their race will have.
Had I been sitting with God with the knowledge I possess right now when he made man I would have said "you know they are going to kill each other and sin for as long as they exist right?"

But there are GOOD people, through all odds they exist in this time with all the knowledge that has ever existed right at their finger tips.

Why I mentioned this is because you brought up angels.
Those angels rebelled and turned on God trying to usurp authority over all reality. My guess is because they were made and didn't have to fight back against sin, they have no balance.
That was probably a huge miscalculation. It would be like giving wild monkeys loaded rocket launchers that have no safety and the trigger is a string with a banana on the end you have to pull to set it off.

There's a story about God worried that humans would eat from the tree of life and become immortal. So he put up giant flaming words to protect it and removed them from Eden.
I suppose this was done so we didn't end up like the angels, without a full range of emotions, without understanding, without wisdom, and turned into immortals.

Now every screw up we make we learn from, REPENT, and make ourselves better. It's said when we do this for God angels chant, and they praise God in Heaven.
Our mortal, fragile lives are probably a type of training program. If you succeed you move on if you don't your soul has to repeat the training program which has been dubbed Hell.

tlr; oh well I just rambled on anyways.
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Subsequent theology creates a class of people exempt from the rules the rest of us have to follow, including, as you say, being punished until we repent. Let's ask the tough question: are you saved by God, or the political influence this theology seeks to create? Because with your calling me evil, you insist on defending that class of people. So let them save you. I know they didn't save you in the past, and yet you double down on them. Are they God, or if God is all of us (another thing you only say to cover their ass for them) are some more God than others, and this in spite of all their behavior to the contrary? Are the wealthy and the nobles the protagonists of the Bible and not God? You sure seem to think so. Was it not their arrogance that made a good man say: "what portion have we with the son of David?"

And yet you will blame the poor for the sake of the rich and those of 'good family,' just like the judges of Sodom did, but you wail and weep when your unjust community has the same thing happen to them as Sodom did. You got what you wanted, and God made you pay for it. Why should anyone feel sorry for you, especially when they had to pay more and received nothing but the death you brought upon them in return?
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Re: I pray god send no one to hell but instead changes them and makes them non evil
Why if god is all powerful would he torture any of his creations if he can make them righteous and whole?

Seems evil to torture anyone or destroy anyone for eternity?

Maybe god is better than depicted in man’s religions?
 Quoting: Xeven

God has Free Will.

He made us in His 'image'.

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Re: I pray god send no one to hell but instead changes them and makes them non evil
I've said this a few times before but I don't want to or care to go to Heaven. This is Hell, here on Earth. Why would I want to go somewhere heavenly when everyone else is left here suffering after?

Send me to Hell, fuck this gay Earth
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That's the spirit! I think Schopenhauer said it best in his commentary on Faust and his bargain with the Devil...."Faust made his pact with the Devil when he came to the realization that he honestly had nothing to offer Heaven."

Beautiful.
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Shpw us ONE person, place or event in the Bible that either never existed or didn't happen.

You can't. It's accurate history.
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I've said this a few times before but I don't want to or care to go to Heaven. This is Hell, here on Earth. Why would I want to go somewhere heavenly when everyone else is left here suffering after?

Send me to Hell, fuck this gay Earth
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That's the spirit! I think Schopenhauer said it best in his commentary on Faust and his bargain with the Devil...."Faust made his pact with the Devil when he came to the realization that he honestly had nothing to offer Heaven."

Beautiful.
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