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Red Cross requests access to Ukraine prison after POWS die. Zelenskyy: Red Cross has duty to react after shelling of a prison complex in Donetsk

 
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Red Cross requests access to Ukraine prison after POWS die. Zelenskyy: Red Cross has duty to react after shelling of a prison complex in Donetsk
Russia launched nighttime attacks on several Ukrainian cities, Ukrainian officials said Saturday as they and Moscow blamed each other for the deaths of dozens of Ukrainian prisoners of war in a separatist-controlled area of the country’s east. The International Red Cross asked to visit the prison to make sure the wounded had proper treatment.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said the United Nations and the International Committee of the Red Cross have a duty to react after shelling of a prison complex in Donetsk province killed the POWs.

“It was a deliberate Russian war crime, a deliberate mass murder of Ukrainian prisoners of war,” Zelenskyy said in a video address late Friday. “There should be a clear legal recognition of Russia as a state sponsor of terrorism.”

Separatist authorities and Russian officials said the attack killed 53 Ukrainian POWs and wounded another 75. Russia’s Defense Ministry on Saturday issued a list naming 48 Ukrainian fighters, their ages ranging from 20 to 62, who died in the attack; it was not clear if the ministry had revised its fatality count.

The International Committee of the Red Cross, which has organized civilian evacuations in the war and worked to monitor the treatment of POWS held by Russia and Ukraine, said it has requested access to the prison “to determine the health and condition of all the people present on-site at the time of the attack.”

Both sides alleged the attack on the prison was premeditated and intended to silence the Ukrainian prisoners and to destroy evidence, including of possible atrocities.

Russia claimed Ukraine’s military used U.S.-supplied precision rocket launchers to target the prison in Olenivka, a settlement controlled by the Moscow-backed Donetsk People’s Republic.

The Ukrainian military, however, denied making any rocket or artillery strikes in Olenivka. It accused the Russians of shelling the prison to cover up the alleged torture and execution of Ukrainians there.

The Institute for the Study of War, a think tank based in Washington, said the competing claims and limited information prevented assigning full responsibility for the attack but the “available visual evidence appears to support the Ukrainian claim more than the Russian.”

Elsewhere in eastern Ukraine, Russian rockets hit a school in Kharkiv, the country’s second-largest city, overnight, and another attack occurred an hour later, Mayor Ihor Terekhov said Saturday. There were no immediate reports of injuries.

The bus station in the city of Sloviansk also was hit, according to Mayor Vadim Lyakh. Sloviansk is near the front line of fighting as Russian and separatist forces try to take full control of the Donetsk region, one of two eastern provinces that Russia has recognized as sovereign states.

In southern Ukraine, one person was killed and six injured in shelling that hit a residential area in Mykolaiv, a significant port city, the region’s administration said Saturday on Facebook.

Friday’s attack on the prison reportedly killed Ukrainian soldiers captured in May after the fall of Mariupol, a Black Sea port city where troops and the Azov Regiment of the national guard famously held out against a monthslong Russian siege.

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Red Cross might act as spies to see if the attack killed the POWs the CIA wanted killed.
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Interesting analysis here. Definitely doesn’t look like HIMARS did it, as Russia claims.







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It almost looks to me like there was no missile strike. POWs were moved into a building that was pre loaded with explosives. The blast was internal and the POWs were executed.
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Konstiantyn Velychko said he recognised the Olenivka camp in some of the videos released by Russia.

He said the buildings that Russia said was hit with the POWs in was not in the main living section of the camp but in an industrial zone not normally used to house prisoners.

He said he believed that showed Russia had moved the Azov POWs specially into a disused area of the camp before the explosion that killed them.
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Red Cross = CIA
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Putin needs to destroy them hardcore. Quit sending Nazi's fucking money!
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Here is Konstiantyn Velychko’s (the guy cited above) story, which was published last week. He was not military but was imprisoned there at what the Russians call a “filtration camp”.

‘Dirt, decay, and bitter cold’ Ukrainian volunteers held captive for more than 100 days describe harrowing conditions inside ‘filtration’ prison near Donetsk

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Red Cross = CIA
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Yep, that’s a pretty convincing explainer.
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What Russia did in Olenivka with Ukrainian POWs is also a common Russian strategy of performing war.

They did the same to Ukrainian army in 1921 in Bazar. They did that to Polish army in 1940 in Katyn. They did that to Ukrainian army in 2014 in Vesela Hora. And now Olenivka.
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It almost looks to me like there was no missile strike. POWs were moved into a building that was pre loaded with explosives.

The blast was internal and the POWs were executed.
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Volodymyr ordered the hit...Dead Nazis POW's don't talk about Z anymore
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Volodymyr ordered the hit...Dead Nazis POW's don't talk about Z anymore
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So many shills here with so many convincing explainers.
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why ?
so they can spy on russians

how about no
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Konstiantyn Velychko said he recognised the Olenivka camp in some of the videos released by Russia.

He said the buildings that Russia said was hit with the POWs in was not in the main living section of the camp but in an industrial zone not normally used to house prisoners.

He said he believed that showed Russia had moved the Azov POWs specially into a disused area of the camp before the explosion that killed them.
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See these satellite photos. Note that only one very specific area was hit.



This seems to match his story that certain selected prisoners were moved to a remote area, then executed with an explosion or missile strike without killing the others.



Then blame it in a Ukrainian HIMARS strike, which would of course done far more damage.
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If you are not familiar with Russia’s Katyn massacre, you should look it up.

They haven’t changed since Stalin ordered that.

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If you are not familiar with Russia’s Katyn massacre, you should look it up.

They haven’t changed since Stalin ordered that.


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Katyn:

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Update:

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What a surprise.
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As if we can believe any of this shit.

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As if we can believe any of this shit.

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Why did Russia refuse to allow Red Cross to visit then?

Do you believe the Kremlin’s claim that HIMARS did this?
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Volodymyr ordered the hit...Dead Nazis POW's don't talk about Z anymore
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So many shills here with so many convincing explainers.
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Another Rusky Troll Ynet
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InformNapalm is also certain that the facility was definitely not hit by the HIMARS multiple launch rocket system, supplied by the U.S. and currently in use with Ukrainian forces.

The outlet says its investigators came to these conclusions by analyzing the nature of the damage to the colony in Olenivka in the photos taken there.

The Russian objective, according to the organization, was to get rid of the evidence of torture and murder of prisoners, as well as to discredit the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

The analysts noted that Olenivka is located approximately 15 km from the front line, so it makes no sense to hit such a target with rare and expensive GMLRS rockets, because you can use 105-mm artillery rounds that cost about 0.4% of the cost of the rockets instead.

The analysis of the photos published by the Russians from the scene of the tragedy shows that the Russians staged the "rocket attack" incompetently because none of them know how this multiple launch rocket system works.

In particular, after the impact, a damaged building (photo number 6) made of concrete bricks with a thin tin roof remained intact. The explosion was so weak that the beds did not move even an inch (photo 8), not a single brick fell out, and the steel column was not damaged. At the same time, the fire caused enormous damage, InformNapalm noted.

For the sake of comparison, the investigators provide another photo (number 7), which shows the consequences of the strike of the GMLRS projectile. As a result of such an impact, walls were torn down, concrete ceilings were crushed, and fittings were torn into pieces.

But definitive proof that it was not a GMLRS rocket is the absence of an impact crater, InformNapalm emphasized. Image 9 shows the GMLRS impact crater. In Olenivka, the investigators did not record a single crater.

Thermobaric weapons, known to be used by Russia, burn victims but leaves their bodies intact, the outlet added. That is, Russia could have used this weapon to burn people in their sleep. This is possibly confirmed by an inspection of visual damage to the building, the absence of a crater from the rocket impact, and the absence of damage from an explosion.

According to InformNapalm, most likely, the Russian representatives locked the prisoners in the room and shot through the windows with RPO-A "Shmel" or MRO-A thermobaric warhead.
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Don't trust the red cross they are corrupted. Haitian money boxes remember.....
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Here is Russian Defense Ministry propaganda spokesman General Igor Konashenkov yesterday saying that Russia had invited ICRC to visit and examine the prison.

He was lying.

Today, Russia refused ICRC’s official request for a visit.

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