Red Cross requests access to Ukraine prison after POWS die. Zelenskyy: Red Cross has duty to react after shelling of a prison complex in Donetsk | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 81064362 ![]() 07/30/2022 02:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Red Cross requests access to Ukraine prison after POWS die. Zelenskyy: Red Cross has duty to react after shelling of a prison complex in Donetsk Interesting analysis here. Definitely doesn’t look like HIMARS did it, as Russia claims. https://twitter.com/_/status/1552964673938640896 https://twitter.com/_/status/1552964682855710720 https://twitter.com/_/status/1552964687888793600 https://twitter.com/_/status/1552964690069913600 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81064362 ![]() 07/30/2022 02:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Red Cross requests access to Ukraine prison after POWS die. Zelenskyy: Red Cross has duty to react after shelling of a prison complex in Donetsk It almost looks to me like there was no missile strike. POWs were moved into a building that was pre loaded with explosives. The blast was internal and the POWs were executed. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81064362 ![]() 07/30/2022 02:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Red Cross requests access to Ukraine prison after POWS die. Zelenskyy: Red Cross has duty to react after shelling of a prison complex in Donetsk https://twitter.com/_/status/1553382498704539648 Konstiantyn Velychko said he recognised the Olenivka camp in some of the videos released by Russia. He said the buildings that Russia said was hit with the POWs in was not in the main living section of the camp but in an industrial zone not normally used to house prisoners. He said he believed that showed Russia had moved the Azov POWs specially into a disused area of the camp before the explosion that killed them. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 81507745 07/30/2022 02:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Red Cross requests access to Ukraine prison after POWS die. Zelenskyy: Red Cross has duty to react after shelling of a prison complex in Donetsk Here is Konstiantyn Velychko’s (the guy cited above) story, which was published last week. He was not military but was imprisoned there at what the Russians call a “filtration camp”. ‘Dirt, decay, and bitter cold’ Ukrainian volunteers held captive for more than 100 days describe harrowing conditions inside ‘filtration’ prison near Donetsk [link to meduza.io (secure)] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 81578464 ![]() 07/30/2022 03:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Red Cross requests access to Ukraine prison after POWS die. Zelenskyy: Red Cross has duty to react after shelling of a prison complex in Donetsk They did the same to Ukrainian army in 1921 in Bazar. They did that to Polish army in 1940 in Katyn. They did that to Ukrainian army in 2014 in Vesela Hora. And now Olenivka. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 83295603 ![]() 07/30/2022 07:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Red Cross requests access to Ukraine prison after POWS die. Zelenskyy: Red Cross has duty to react after shelling of a prison complex in Donetsk https://twitter.com/_/status/1553382498704539648 Konstiantyn Velychko said he recognised the Olenivka camp in some of the videos released by Russia. He said the buildings that Russia said was hit with the POWs in was not in the main living section of the camp but in an industrial zone not normally used to house prisoners. He said he believed that showed Russia had moved the Azov POWs specially into a disused area of the camp before the explosion that killed them. See these satellite photos. Note that only one very specific area was hit. https://twitter.com/_/status/1553475389472882689 This seems to match his story that certain selected prisoners were moved to a remote area, then executed with an explosion or missile strike without killing the others. https://twitter.com/_/status/1553475389472882689 Then blame it in a Ukrainian HIMARS strike, which would of course done far more damage. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 83936447 ![]() 07/31/2022 04:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Red Cross requests access to Ukraine prison after POWS die. Zelenskyy: Red Cross has duty to react after shelling of a prison complex in Donetsk If you are not familiar with Russia’s Katyn massacre, you should look it up. They haven’t changed since Stalin ordered that. https://twitter.com/_/status/1553015633494818817 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 83936447 ![]() 07/31/2022 04:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Red Cross requests access to Ukraine prison after POWS die. Zelenskyy: Red Cross has duty to react after shelling of a prison complex in Donetsk If you are not familiar with Russia’s Katyn massacre, you should look it up. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83936447 They haven’t changed since Stalin ordered that. https://twitter.com/_/status/1553015633494818817 Katyn: https://twitter.com/_/status/1552802755391242241 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80833389 ![]() 08/02/2022 12:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Red Cross requests access to Ukraine prison after POWS die. Zelenskyy: Red Cross has duty to react after shelling of a prison complex in Donetsk https://twitter.com/_/status/1554286169961254915 InformNapalm is also certain that the facility was definitely not hit by the HIMARS multiple launch rocket system, supplied by the U.S. and currently in use with Ukrainian forces. The outlet says its investigators came to these conclusions by analyzing the nature of the damage to the colony in Olenivka in the photos taken there. The Russian objective, according to the organization, was to get rid of the evidence of torture and murder of prisoners, as well as to discredit the Ukrainian Armed Forces. The analysts noted that Olenivka is located approximately 15 km from the front line, so it makes no sense to hit such a target with rare and expensive GMLRS rockets, because you can use 105-mm artillery rounds that cost about 0.4% of the cost of the rockets instead. The analysis of the photos published by the Russians from the scene of the tragedy shows that the Russians staged the "rocket attack" incompetently because none of them know how this multiple launch rocket system works. In particular, after the impact, a damaged building (photo number 6) made of concrete bricks with a thin tin roof remained intact. The explosion was so weak that the beds did not move even an inch (photo 8), not a single brick fell out, and the steel column was not damaged. At the same time, the fire caused enormous damage, InformNapalm noted. For the sake of comparison, the investigators provide another photo (number 7), which shows the consequences of the strike of the GMLRS projectile. As a result of such an impact, walls were torn down, concrete ceilings were crushed, and fittings were torn into pieces. But definitive proof that it was not a GMLRS rocket is the absence of an impact crater, InformNapalm emphasized. Image 9 shows the GMLRS impact crater. In Olenivka, the investigators did not record a single crater. Thermobaric weapons, known to be used by Russia, burn victims but leaves their bodies intact, the outlet added. That is, Russia could have used this weapon to burn people in their sleep. This is possibly confirmed by an inspection of visual damage to the building, the absence of a crater from the rocket impact, and the absence of damage from an explosion. According to InformNapalm, most likely, the Russian representatives locked the prisoners in the room and shot through the windows with RPO-A "Shmel" or MRO-A thermobaric warhead. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80833389 ![]() 08/02/2022 12:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Red Cross requests access to Ukraine prison after POWS die. Zelenskyy: Red Cross has duty to react after shelling of a prison complex in Donetsk Here is Russian Defense Ministry propaganda spokesman General Igor Konashenkov yesterday saying that Russia had invited ICRC to visit and examine the prison. He was lying. Today, Russia refused ICRC’s official request for a visit. https://twitter.com/_/status/1553894205633830912 |
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