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Store Owner Stabs Thief To Death -- Gonna Need Some Opinions On This One...

 
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If someone is not assaulting you with lethal force, I don't believe lethal force should be used.

If I was on a jury, that store keeper would be found guilty.

If the thief was threatening the shop keeper with a deadly weapon then it would be a different verdict.
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if its okay to kill somebody over property then every traffic accident would have somebody dead from multiple gun shots.

Some jack ass speeding in the left lane hits me with a deadly weapon while breaking the law.

He destroys my property after giving no care to my life or safety while speeding and drive like a fool.

Maybe I as a driver should use lethal force with a blade right?

Same concept.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


Not the same concept. A robbery is not an accident! When was the last time you accidentally robbed someone, hello?
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That was cold blooded murder of someone basically doing a dine and dash.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83294801


And every time a monkey tries that shit they should be executed on the spot, cleaned up and cremated , don’t even bother to notify the family or cops. Time to end the Black Plague forever

That man is a hero! I would love to shake his hand, fucking badass! Put a notch on that knife handle Rambo
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I don't know, but I think the thief was white.
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Many thugs and thug defenders are upset they didn't get to see another asian getting head stomped.
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You're too sensible for Canada. Get your ass to Florida!
 Quoting: thinking...


I ain't in Canada. I don't know why GLP says i'm in Canda. unfortunately stuck behind enemy lines in a commie-occupied part of America. I want to get out but I cannot move on my own do to debilitating health issues. I never been to Florida, but when I was younger and healthy I worked and lived in various parts of free America and long to go back one day.

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He was justified in the initial strikes, but by the time he stabbed him in the neck the robber was trying to withdraw. That’s 2nd degree murder
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82508839


i disagree. perp fought back initially and appears from the video that he had something in his hands. now can u tell what that is in 10seconds while he is swinging at u? perp crossed the counter, that is invading the cashiers safe space. as in the perp was attacking. perp did not put his hands up and say i give up.

remember too a cop woulda kept shooting til he wasw out of bullets. do u want them to only shoot once? same rule applies here.
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we went from being over the target, to actually being the target. too close to the truth.
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Look, I get it, crime is totally out of control and even worse, it's intentionally being allowed to be.

However, this one just really doesn't sit well. Maybe it's the innocence & fear in the perp's voice as he exclaims, "I'm dead..." but really not feeling like this needed to go down like that. Fucking tragic all around for this country. verysad

What do y'all think?


 Quoting: J-Bird


What’s that saying? Live by the sword die by the sword....or a knife in this dudes situation. It’s totally weird how he knew he was dieing. Gave me a chuckle.
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The mask could make his life feel threatened, especially with 2 of those in front of him

If he would have gone in bare handed, the 2nd robber could come to the rescue..

The 2nd robber almost came to robber 1's rescue, or was thinking about it, when the knifed robber said that he was dead (So don't bother and save yourself)

Store guy didn't know if the robbers were armed

He chose to be safest as possible without a firearm and went hard on the one he could get his hands on

How high was his being robbed count for the year?

I'll say self defense

Bare handed the store guy could have been the dead guy

Because in situations as this one, these robbers could decide anything

Unless they are dead or in severe condition or scared shitless

The risk comes with the 'job' for robbers
 Quoting: Gorgol


who knows but if i were a gang of robbers i would be back that same night with multiple semi auto weapons.

Its stupid to murder people like that.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


With your own words you say that all of the robbers should have been killed.
There's a man in a white house with blood on his mouth!
If there's Knaves in the North, there are braves in the South.
We are three thousand horses, and not one afraid;
We are three thousand sabres and not a dull blade.

:78g:
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How was the clerk dude to know if the dirtbag robber was packing or not?

The dirtbag jumped the counter and made a move toward the clerk, the clerk then had no choice but to neutralize the dirtbag who easily could've had a weapon.

Common-sense shit.

If dirtbags don't want to get dead they should stop being criminal pieces of dogshit..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68217374


Three of 'em, one of them jumps the counter.... I am shooting, most likly
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Unless the punishment for theft because the death sentence... you all have to see this as wrong


The shop owner was not physically threaten. He certainly did not have to stab him multiple times till he was dead. Its just wrong

It appears the intention of the clerk was to kill

If we allow this then every child who might steal a candy bar could risk their life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82524639


The judicial system does not execute criminals for stealing, burglary, armed robbery, car jacking, etc. That is ENTIRELY different than a victim of a crime being able to use any force necessary to neutralize a threat, which is what the clerk did. He didn't stab him for theft, he stabbed him because he jumped the counter and posed a danger to the clerk. Further, there seems to be no evidence that the robber died. That piece of shit punk could have had a gun, for all the clerk knew, so he had no choice but to stab him until out of commission and no longer posed any possibility of a threat. This is not complicated for anyone with two brain cells to rub together.
In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.

“Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.”

– Nasseim Haramein, Director of Research for the Resonance Project


Normalize every aberrant behavior, bring common all deviancy and let fly the reins of morality and reason, then welcome in that utopia that liberals embrace called communism, that which most Americans with but a shard of ethic would immediately recognize as evil.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82508839


Every strike after that was premeditated capital murder.

He had intent to kill.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


You cannot have premeditation until you have planning ahead of the incident.
Did the worker plan the robbery in order to have an excuse to kill the robber?
If not, you cannot have premeditation.
 Quoting: Confederate Soldier


U.s Case law states premeditation happens instantly when the thought to kill happens. It goes from self defense to premeditated murder.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


You don't want to leave yourself at the mercy of criminals especially one who acted brazenly and attacked first, they will happily head stomp you until you are deader than disco.

You don't want kids to die while stealing shit, teach them not to steal, or they'll learn the hard way.
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Every strike after that was premeditated capital murder.

He had intent to kill.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


You cannot have premeditation until you have planning ahead of the incident.
Did the worker plan the robbery in order to have an excuse to kill the robber?
If not, you cannot have premeditation.
 Quoting: Confederate Soldier


U.s Case law states premeditation happens instantly when the thought to kill happens. It goes from self defense to premeditated murder.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


That doesn't apply to breaking and entering right?
 Quoting: 1010.


if somebody is in a private home you can use deadly force , unless you make a comment like " i shot her anyway" Then it becomes capital murder. That proves the threat was gone but you shot her because you wanted to.

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All retail establishments should forbid masks.
In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.

“Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.”

– Nasseim Haramein, Director of Research for the Resonance Project


Normalize every aberrant behavior, bring common all deviancy and let fly the reins of morality and reason, then welcome in that utopia that liberals embrace called communism, that which most Americans with but a shard of ethic would immediately recognize as evil.
 Quoting: judahbenhuer
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That is horrible to watch

You can murder someone now for stealing?
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yup....tagged on the toe dead....
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As far as I'm concerned, once the guy jumped over the counter, he was responsible for creating the circumstance and it's outcome. That's especially true when they had the shopkeeper outnumbered.

I'd have to side with the shopkeeper on this one.
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Unless the punishment for theft because the death sentence... you all have to see this as wrong


The shop owner was not physically threaten. He certainly did not have to stab him multiple times till he was dead. Its just wrong

It appears the intention of the clerk was to kill

If we allow this then every child who might steal a candy bar could risk their life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82524639


The judicial system does not execute criminals for stealing, burglary, armed robbery, car jacking, etc. That is ENTIRELY different than a victim of a crime being able to use any force necessary to neutralize a threat, which is what the clerk did. He didn't stab him for theft, he stabbed him because he jumped the counter and posed a danger to the clerk. Further, there seems to be no evidence that the robber died. That piece of shit punk could have had a gun, for all the clerk knew, so he had no choice but to stab him until out of commission and no longer posed any possibility of a threat. This is not complicated for anyone with two brain cells to rub together.
 Quoting: thinking...


Shoot first, ask questions later

You should know naturally that this trio of crank heads needed killing, this is exactly why we carry weapons
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He's dead, Jim.

Congrats to shop owner for ridding the planet of one more piece of shit.
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I won't pass judgement on this one. I feel incredible sadness for a pointless loss of life. The parents are to blame for not raising the kid that died right.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83880400


they were stealing to feed a bunch of little white babies . Diversity has killed their hopes of survival in America.

They were made this way by modern American policies of hating whitey.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


Babies don't eat tobacco.
There's a man in a white house with blood on his mouth!
If there's Knaves in the North, there are braves in the South.
We are three thousand horses, and not one afraid;
We are three thousand sabres and not a dull blade.

:78g:
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He should have had a Samurai sword and beheaded him.

Teach the next guy not to steal.
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I think he'll be ready for them

If they exist

He's had time to prepare, he's probably ready for 5 of his friends at once (but they're too scared)

Store guy might have more and fiercer friends than dead robber guy
 Quoting: Gorgol


One thing i have learned about life.

You are never ready and you are never as bad ass as you believe.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


I am. I open carry while mowing my lawn so everyone can plainly see that this motherfucker ain't fuckin around.

rockon
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Thats all fine and dandy but a psychopath will just wait till you turn your back after smiling and waving at you.
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Look, I get it, crime is totally out of control and even worse, it's intentionally being allowed to be.

However, this one just really doesn't sit well. Maybe it's the innocence & fear in the perp's voice as he exclaims, "I'm dead..." but really not feeling like this needed to go down like that. Fucking tragic all around for this country. verysad

What do y'all think?


 Quoting: J-Bird


What’s that saying? Live by the sword die by the sword....or a knife in this dudes situation. It’s totally weird how he knew he was dieing. Gave me a chuckle.
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100 bucks says the DA charges the store owner with murder
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I hope so
 Quoting: BoneTrout


He was unarmed, and shoplifting


It was an illegal kill... You don't have the legal right to kill somebody for shoplifting.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79921326

It went beyond simple shoplifting when he jumped the counter.

The masked three man team also escalates it past simple shoplifting.

Impossible for the clerk to know how far they were going to go with it. People are murdered all the time in Vegas.
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what the fuck are you people talking about?

yes the fucking dude deserved to get the shit stabbed out of him

play stupid games win stupid prizes

mother fuckers really out here gettin real bold but forgetting this is the way the world works... this is more like a fucking reality check in this crazy ass 2022 world

hopefully more of this shit starts happening and mother fuckers realize stealing can lead to getting yourself killed.. maybe then these scumbags will think twice

yall gettin programmed to just be fucking victims and it shows
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51292729


It literally sounded like a 14 year old white kid. You could tell by the voice it wasn't some hardened black criminal and they were unarmed. So many blood thirsty people on this forum.

Having said that, play stupid games win stupid prizes. I have no sympathy for victim but based on the video it looks like a clear case of excessive force.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81572619


Most violent crime is committed by teenagers to 20 somethings. Nobody gives a fuck if a perp is 15, 18 or 22. Further, I disagree about the sound of the perp's voice. His voice sounded like an adult. Not that it matters.
In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.

“Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.”

– Nasseim Haramein, Director of Research for the Resonance Project


Normalize every aberrant behavior, bring common all deviancy and let fly the reins of morality and reason, then welcome in that utopia that liberals embrace called communism, that which most Americans with but a shard of ethic would immediately recognize as evil.
 Quoting: judahbenhuer
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Every strike after that was premeditated capital murder.

He had intent to kill.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


You cannot have premeditation until you have planning ahead of the incident.
Did the worker plan the robbery in order to have an excuse to kill the robber?
If not, you cannot have premeditation.
 Quoting: Confederate Soldier


U.s Case law states premeditation happens instantly when the thought to kill happens. It goes from self defense to premeditated murder.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


You don't want to leave yourself at the mercy of criminals especially one who acted brazenly and attacked first, they will happily head stomp you until you are deader than disco.

You don't want kids to die while stealing shit, teach them not to steal, or they'll learn the hard way.
 Quoting: Doom Monkey


In a society where you have poor people you will always have theft. You might as well see it as a part of life. People make mistakes and so do store owners. Just like he loved his shit on the counter somebody probably loves that kid enough to murder back.

That is why we dont run around killing people over anything other then a threat to life.

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Thieves are finding out!
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2 robbers. 1 innocent. Both perpps could have had weapons. Owner reacted fast to a real threat. Sad but no crime by store owner
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82508839


Every strike after that was premeditated capital murder.

He had intent to kill.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


You cannot have premeditation until you have planning ahead of the incident.
Did the worker plan the robbery in order to have an excuse to kill the robber?
If not, you cannot have premeditation.
 Quoting: Confederate Soldier


U.s Case law states premeditation happens instantly when the thought to kill happens. It goes from self defense to premeditated murder.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


Show it.
There's a man in a white house with blood on his mouth!
If there's Knaves in the North, there are braves in the South.
We are three thousand horses, and not one afraid;
We are three thousand sabres and not a dull blade.

:78g:
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Unless the punishment for theft because the death sentence... you all have to see this as wrong

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82524639


The penalty for rape isn't death either.

So its wrong for a woman to use lethal force to stop such an attacker...right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79889820


this1
In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.

“Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.”

– Nasseim Haramein, Director of Research for the Resonance Project


Normalize every aberrant behavior, bring common all deviancy and let fly the reins of morality and reason, then welcome in that utopia that liberals embrace called communism, that which most Americans with but a shard of ethic would immediately recognize as evil.
 Quoting: judahbenhuer
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you can't attack someone with a deadly weapon because they try to steal ur shit. the guy who jumped the counter didn't even look at the employee, he went straight for the goods. He only threw 1 punch after being stabbed 3 times.

The last 2 stabs were un-necessary and were probably the lethal ones.

The employee initially went after the other robber, but they ran away. Then he went after the 'im dead' guy.

The employee went a bit too far and will probably be found guilty of 3rd degree murder and spend a year or two in prison, depending on his background and how good his lawyers are.
 Quoting: SilverCyprus


Bullshit!!

3 burglars broke into my store while I was there. I had no way out.

I made a mistake, and yelled FREEZE, when I surprised them.

Two got away.

I shot one in the face.

The police that responded never said ANYTHING other than,

"GOOD JOB!".
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Once you start stabbing, don't stop....
live only for today.
being honest is above most people.
before i go, i want you to be happy.
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You cannot have premeditation until you have planning ahead of the incident.
Did the worker plan the robbery in order to have an excuse to kill the robber?
If not, you cannot have premeditation.
 Quoting: Confederate Soldier


U.s Case law states premeditation happens instantly when the thought to kill happens. It goes from self defense to premeditated murder.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


That doesn't apply to breaking and entering right?
 Quoting: 1010.


if somebody is in a private home you can use deadly force , unless you make a comment like " i shot her anyway" Then it becomes capital murder. That proves the threat was gone but you shot her because you wanted to.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


In AZ, you can. Go into a house uninvited, and you'll be leaving dead. "Make my day" law, look it up.





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