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Store Owner Stabs Thief To Death -- Gonna Need Some Opinions On This One...

 
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It's amazing how many of you don't understand the law of when and how to use deadly force. Too many of you are simple minded mouth breathers, and should get off the internet.
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what will a cop do?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1079066


He did not have to kill that black guy.
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What black guy?
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what will a cop do?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1079066


He did not have to kill that black guy.
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What black guy?
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Ok, robber.
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There's not enough info in a 5 second clip.

Did they have weapons?

Did they threaten him?

Had they been there before?

Maybe they said they would come back and kill him.
 Quoting: anon_cow


Jumping the counter is threat of violence. Any type of invasion of an occupied space is assumed intent of violence.
 Quoting: Weyoun


If I may, jumping the counter IS violence.

It is a reckless disregard for someone else's private and personal space with ill intention. It cannot be interpreted in any other manner. The degree of their ill intention cannot be known beforehand. So, it is best to assume the worst and defend yourself in any manner available to you, imo.

As for the store owner, NOT GUILTY.
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Look, I get it, crime is totally out of control and even worse, it's intentionally being allowed to be.

However, this one just really doesn't sit well. Maybe it's the innocence & fear in the perp's voice as he exclaims, "I'm dead..." but really not feeling like this needed to go down like that. Fucking tragic all around for this country. verysad

What do y'all think?


 Quoting: J-Bird


"Doesn't sit well"? Are you insane? Maybe it shouldn't "sit well" with you when a robber jumps over the counter at a store, especially considering so many store employees get killed in these robberies. Would it sit better with you if the Asian had been murdered in a robbery?
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yodause the force
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If I was on the jury he is getting off. Robbery should give everyone the ability to fight them off how ever they feel necessary. If that means with their fists.. a rock, knife, gun or flame thrower it shouldn't matter.

I will not be part of a society that vilifies civilians for fighting criminals off in the heat of the moment
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Look, I get it, crime is totally out of control and even worse, it's intentionally being allowed to be.

However, this one just really doesn't sit well. Maybe it's the innocence & fear in the perp's voice as he exclaims, "I'm dead..." but really not feeling like this needed to go down like that. Fucking tragic all around for this country. verysad

What do y'all think?


 Quoting: J-Bird


pussies like you are the problem with the country nowadays, not the shop owner

that thief didnt feel all innocent when he hopped over the display, he just thought 'oh look a Asian looking shop owner i can walk all over'
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I'm all for self defense but this may have gone too far. I say he will be charged with the lightest murder charge, tried and convicted and will do 3-5 years. May get sued by family for 200 grand.
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Hahahahaha

hard to say how this ends up in the courts. the stabber advanced on the stabbie and started stabbing the stabbie that didn't have a weapon in his hands that I could see

robber definitely fucked up that's for sure and beyond dispute but I'd need to be convinced that the stabber was in fear for his life thus justifying the use of deadly force upon the stabbie

I'm on the fence with this

in the final analysis the stabber was at work trying to earn a living when his life was forever changed by a would be robber

push come to shove I'd side with the stabber but wouldn't feel great about it

no haha's on this one
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GOOD. Thieves need to know there are severe consequences for stealing.
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That dude is going away for that. Excessive force for the situation unfortunately for him.
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That’s just your opinion and would not be worth anything at trial. He used necessary force and saved his own life in the process. There is no reason for him to serve any time. It would be nearly impossible for a jury to convict given the facts that we see here. That clerk is lucky to be alive, it was definitely a heroic deed that he performed that day. He saved others from being harmed or killed.

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That is complete bullshit, what the fuck are you talking about? That was a completely justified kill

My only regret is that the other bastard got away
 Quoting: Justsayno


You are a clown.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82917880


Your ass would be dead too if you tried that shit.

Don't want to die? Don't be a fucking dumbass and rob a store with a ski mask on. It's not rocket science you stupid fuck.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77938233


You filthy retard, you are totally wrong. Deadly force is not permitted because someone jumps over a counter. Dumb shit.
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Shut up you fucking milquetoast. That was probably that man’s family business.
You don’t fucking take by force and intimidation what someone has worked so hard to obtain without repercussions. Not only that, people are sick and tired of minority crimes going unpunished. Especially black on oriental crime. What you’re seeing here is pushback you whiny-ass bitch. Go suck Biden’s cock.
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These dudes are definitely down with Antifa if not literally self proclaimed Antifa.
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Any type of forced entry or invasion, deadly threat/intent is present by default. Especially in a case where the invader knowingly invades an occupied space, there is for sure violent intent. The shop owner reasonably feared for his life and reacted justifiably.

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If someone is not assaulting you with lethal force, I don't believe lethal force should be used.

If I was on a jury, that store keeper would be found guilty.

If the thief was threatening the shop keeper with a deadly weapon then it would be a different verdict.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80104801


Store owners are sick of this crap. It's every day all over. Stores owners are being killed.

I hope a jury realizes this. The cops already know.
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Look, I get it, crime is totally out of control and even worse, it's intentionally being allowed to be.

However, this one just really doesn't sit well. Maybe it's the innocence & fear in the perp's voice as he exclaims, "I'm dead..." but really not feeling like this needed to go down like that. Fucking tragic all around for this country. verysad

What do y'all think?


 Quoting: J-Bird


pussies like you are the problem with the country nowadays, not the shop owner

that thief didnt feel all innocent when he hopped over the display, he just thought 'oh look a Asian looking shop owner i can walk all over'
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Fucker was quick with knife but he is lucky the other two didn't have a piece
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I'm all for self defense but this may have gone too far. I say he will be charged with the lightest murder charge, tried and convicted and will do 3-5 years. May get sued by family for 200 grand.
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The charge will probably be manslaughter.
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If someone is not assaulting you with lethal force, I don't believe lethal force should be used.

If I was on a jury, that store keeper would be found guilty.

If the thief was threatening the shop keeper with a deadly weapon then it would be a different verdict.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80104801


Time to drop your ass in the middle of the Detroit jungle, I pray that you are white

Good luck
 Quoting: Justsayno


the minute that "robber" jumped the counter it changed for me as it threatened the worker's life with a 2on1.

He did not ask for the robbers to come in there and rob the store - they made a shitty choice.

And yes, the video is rough because you can completely hear the regret and fear in the dead guy's voice, but had he not been a shitty human trying to rob a store, it wouldn't have ever happened to begin with. I am 100% with the employee every time in this situation.

In fact, I actually feel bad for the asian guy because he has to live with this shit daily for the rest of his life because those robbers forced him into this situation.
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Yeah, you're right. I see it. Ugh, but you're right about the regretful vocalization... It's kind of haunting me. Stupid fucking idiot kid, fuck...
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Is there a longer video? If there is, I would like to watch it.
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you can't attack someone with a deadly weapon because they try to steal ur shit. the guy who jumped the counter didn't even look at the employee, he went straight for the goods. He only threw 1 punch after being stabbed 3 times.

The last 2 stabs were un-necessary and were probably the lethal ones.

The employee initially went after the other robber, but they ran away. Then he went after the 'im dead' guy.

The employee went a bit too far and will probably be found guilty of 3rd degree murder and spend a year or two in prison, depending on his background and how good his lawyers are.
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Hahahahaha

hard to say how this ends up in the courts. the stabber advanced on the stabbie and started stabbing the stabbie that didn't have a weapon in his hands that I could see

robber definitely fucked up that's for sure and beyond dispute but I'd need to be convinced that the stabber was in fear for his life thus justifying the use of deadly force upon the stabbie

I'm on the fence with this

in the final analysis the stabber was at work trying to earn a living when his life was forever changed by a would be robber

push come to shove I'd side with the stabber but wouldn't feel great about it

no haha's on this one
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79746702


You people are fucking retarded.

When someone with a ski mask makes an aggressive move towards you, you neutralize the threat IMMEDIATELY or risk your own life.

Go ahead though, take that risk... it's not my life.

Maybe you fools simply don't have anything worth staying alive for?

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It's amazing how many of you don't understand the law of when and how to use deadly force. Too many of you are simple minded mouth breathers, and should get off the internet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82917880


Yeah your right.. he totally should have gotten the money and then just probation. The Asian? Fuck who knows ask this ass clown. Maybe the Asian should have lost his house and starved. I mean that seems fair right ass clown?afro
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Look, I get it, crime is totally out of control and even worse, it's intentionally being allowed to be.

However, this one just really doesn't sit well. Maybe it's the innocence & fear in the perp's voice as he exclaims, "I'm dead..." but really not feeling like this needed to go down like that. Fucking tragic all around for this country. verysad

What do y'all think?


 Quoting: J-Bird


So, in your opinion, this POS should be free to live out his life victimizing people with no repercussions other than being arrested and let out with a slap on the hand.

Would you have this same opinion if that POS climbed through your bedroom window? Would you tell him to take what he wants? Perhaps make him a sandwich for his trouble?

People like you make me sick.
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Hahahahaha

hard to say how this ends up in the courts. the stabber advanced on the stabbie and started stabbing the stabbie that didn't have a weapon in his hands that I could see

robber definitely fucked up that's for sure and beyond dispute but I'd need to be convinced that the stabber was in fear for his life thus justifying the use of deadly force upon the stabbie

I'm on the fence with this

in the final analysis the stabber was at work trying to earn a living when his life was forever changed by a would be robber

push come to shove I'd side with the stabber but wouldn't feel great about it

no haha's on this one
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No one ever told you that you have to like it.
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I just love happy endings


This was a Walt Disney classic hf

“How the west was won”
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It's amazing how many of you don't understand the law of when and how to use deadly force. Too many of you are simple minded mouth breathers, and should get off the internet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82917880


Yeah your right.. he totally should have gotten the money and then just probation. The Asian? Fuck who knows ask this ass clown. Maybe the Asian should have lost his house and starved. I mean that seems fair right ass clown?afro
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Gonna start robbing mfers with boomerangs... since ass clown would defend that ass.
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Hey Democrats, I recognize that counter jumper!
He was in the Jan. 6 riot!

Is it OK that he gets iced now?
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Re: Store Owner Stabs Thief To Death -- Gonna Need Some Opinions On This One...
Look, I get it, crime is totally out of control and even worse, it's intentionally being allowed to be.

However, this one just really doesn't sit well. Maybe it's the innocence & fear in the perp's voice as he exclaims, "I'm dead..." but really not feeling like this needed to go down like that. Fucking tragic all around for this country. verysad

What do y'all think?


 Quoting: J-Bird


"Doesn't sit well"? Are you insane? Maybe it shouldn't "sit well" with you when a robber jumps over the counter at a store, especially considering so many store employees get killed in these robberies. Would it sit better with you if the Asian had been murdered in a robbery?
 Quoting: thinking...


Obviously a stupid (and likely young) kid who had no idea him trying to snatch some warez was going to immediately result in being repeatedly stabbed to death.

 Quoting: J-Bird


No I am sure he thought he would get away with it.

Same way a rapist or a murderer thinks he will get away with it.

He didn't.

Are you saying the criminal scumbag didn't know it was wrong?
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Those things can be replaced but a life can not.This is a catch 22.
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This made me queasy watching and hearing a person's life pass away in their own words. In these violent days it's impossible to know what a criminal will do and you can't wait to see if they have a weapon. How many videos of deadly kicks and stomps to the head have we witnessed? Kill or be killed.

I'm glad the owner is alive, but truly sickened that society has fallen to complete lawlessness. "The love of many shall wax cold" is on full dislay.
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Look, I get it, crime is totally out of control and even worse, it's intentionally being allowed to be.

However, this one just really doesn't sit well. Maybe it's the innocence & fear in the perp's voice as he exclaims, "I'm dead..." but really not feeling like this needed to go down like that. Fucking tragic all around for this country. verysad

What do y'all think?


 Quoting: J-Bird


"Doesn't sit well"? Are you insane? Maybe it shouldn't "sit well" with you when a robber jumps over the counter at a store, especially considering so many store employees get killed in these robberies. Would it sit better with you if the Asian had been murdered in a robbery?
 Quoting: thinking...


I'm 100% for 2A, 'stand your ground' castle doctrine. Typically I have no sympathy but this one just feels & looks different. Obviously a stupid (and likely young) kid who had no idea him trying to snatch some warez was going to immediately result in being repeatedly stabbed to death.

I also don't get the impression the store owner truly felt his life was in jeopardy and honestly kind of looks like he was aggravated in his action. So it seems really senseless and just sad... I'm sick of humans killing each other and generally treating one another like shit
 Quoting: J-Bird


Store owner is not expected to read the thug's mind. Being able to read their mind is not a condition to self defense. Forceful invasion overwhelmingly creates a violent threat and fear for life. Store owner was justified.





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