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Nuclear Fusion Breakthrough Confirmed: California Team Achieved Ignition

 
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Cool. how much energy was generated? Enough to boil water in a teapot? enough to ignite a cigarette?
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How long till joey sends eff bee eye to raid the place, gather the science & then allows hunter sell it to China for a few million? scratching
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I remember when there was once a time when GLP, years and years ago, used to be filled with posts like these...of FACTS...of verifiable events that have occurred that sparked communication, imagination, sharing, and learning for all walks of life...

and now look at us today

we are better than this...and this event, is a testament to the spirit of mankind to always find a way, to make things turn out for the betterment of all in the end
 Quoting: 82ndAirborneSniper


LOL, not to be a downer, but do you really think "they" will use this for our betterment?

Not trying to be a dick, but let's just look at history and current events.

Shabbat Shalom...

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I remember when there was once a time when GLP, years and years ago, used to be filled with posts like these...of FACTS...of verifiable events that have occurred that sparked communication, imagination, sharing, and learning for all walks of life...

and now look at us today

we are better than this...and this event, is a testament to the spirit of mankind to always find a way, to make things turn out for the betterment of all in the end
 Quoting: 82ndAirborneSniper


Hey OP. I, too have been around since the beginning of this forum. I miss the intelligent discussions.

It probably has a lot to do with the dumbed-down, brainwashed, indoctrinated kids of the last 30-40 years that have no idea how to use critical reasoning. Makes life scary for the older generations.

Thanks for the post! *****
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garbage.
fusion energy gain factor - expressed with the symbol Q - is the ratio of fusion power produced in a nuclear fusion reactor to the power required to maintain the plasma in steady state. the condition of q = 1, when the power being released by the fusion reactions is equal to the required heating power, is referred to as breakeven, or in some sources, scientific breakeven.
nothing even close to q = 1 is being done here. at this point a fusion system with a q = 1 would be seen as a miracle and q = 1 is useless.
call me up when q of 10 is reached. i wont be holding my breath.
the record is q = 0.7 so far. iter (international thermonuclear experimental reactor) is supposed to be q = 10, my guess is it will be "finished" years late and wont be able to sustain due to neutron flux and heat gradient issues and will at best be q = 5.
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Nuclear fusion is the process that powers the Sun and other stars: heavy hydrogen atoms collide with enough force that they fuse together to form a helium atom, releasing large amounts of energy as a by-product. Once the hydrogen plasma "ignites", the fusion reaction becomes self-sustaining, with the fusions themselves producing enough power to maintain the temperature without external heating.



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this is, by no means, fact
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When has mankind achieved ignition that is reproducible?
NEVER.
Get outside more...you need to get some perspective.
 Quoting: 82ndAirborneSniper


Yes it's a major achievement.

My point is that it's not a renewable and limitless energy source.

I try to point it out not because i want to troll your thread, because journalist writting article on this subject are dumb and fail to mention important facts about nuclear fusion.

And so most of the people think it's some kind of free energy, while it's not.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81366458


I posted twice already, but I guess you can't read.

The Tokamak will produce Tritium in a breeder reaction.

The real challenge now is achieving commercial scale and a sustainable breeder reactor to make the heavy Hydrogen.
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Yes Tritium is used AND produced in the reaction, so the Tritium is in some kind of closed loop.

But deuterium will be used in the process, and won't be renewed
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Yes, but it can be produced from seawater. There are also other methods of getting it from hydrogen.
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this is truly a phenomenally huge event for mankind...

remember how different only 40 years ago was, no electric cars, no personal computers, no mobile phones, no GPS, no technology that was almost unimaginable 40 years ago, even only 20 years ago, we are living and experiencing and benefitting from today in ways we could never see possible just only years (not even decades) ago...

with this new realization, all the world will soon benefit from yet another technological advancement that will not only make our best mobile phones, greatest microchips, and semiconductors and most advanced technology look infinitesimal in importance...

soon all our planet will have limitless, free energy...to do with as we please...everything will change
 Quoting: 82ndAirborneSniper


I wouldn't count on limitless free energy! Scarcity is what allows for power accumulation in industry and government, so it won't be limitless and it won't be free - for us.

It's interesting and a breakthrough, so now we go from basic science to engineering. We need to engineer something that's safe, repeatable, economical, and will satisfy the ecoterrists.
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YOUR FACTS ARE WRONG
READ THE ARTICLE
THIS IS A MAJOR GROUNDBREAKING EVENT FOR MANKIND
 Quoting: 82ndAirborneSniper


No, I'm not wrong.

The article is written by a stupid journalist that fail to connect the dot.

"heavy hydrogen atoms collide with enough force that they fuse together to form a helium atom"

And guess what are those "heavy hydrogen atoms" ??

Yes, it's Deuterium, as I said.

And we have limited supply on earth, with no way to make it back once it's changed into helium.
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Actually, they were using Tritium when I met with them.

Maybe they use Deuterium now. No idea.

[link to www.science.org (secure)]
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Your article talk about Tritium fusion WITH Deuterium, so yes it still use Deuterium.

Clean energy: yes

Free energy at no cost: no, deuterium and tritium are exepensive to get

Limitless energy: Certainly NOT, as I said, deuterium will be depleted in no time, and will be gone for ever.
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So the OP denegrated your ass and told you "you're WRONG, just read the article!" and his dumbass didn't even read it through lol

Comedy Gold!
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this is truly a phenomenally huge event for mankind...

remember how different only 40 years ago was, no electric cars, no personal computers, no mobile phones, no GPS, no technology that was almost unimaginable 40 years ago, even only 20 years ago, we are living and experiencing and benefitting from today in ways we could never see possible just only years (not even decades) ago...

with this new realization, all the world will soon benefit from yet another technological advancement that will not only make our best mobile phones, greatest microchips, and semiconductors and most advanced technology look infinitesimal in importance...

soon all our planet will have limitless, free energy...to do with as we please...everything will change
 Quoting: 82ndAirborneSniper


In your dreams.

The "masses" will never be allowed to have "limitless, free energy."

The "masses" will be allowed to pay (through the nose) for strictly limited amounts of power, just like now.

lflashdrevillflash
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Sadly, this. Those in control (you know who) will either block anything like this from being free to give out, or they will find a way to control the industry and simply record record profits.
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Biden's renewable bullshit connected to this bloated overdone report by a BIDEN fake news publication. All bullshit all the time.
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If I remember correctly, the issues were not the "ability to produce the energy" - we know it is possible, but the stability of such production and plasma stability/controlling plasma with EM-field.
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Holy cow, the internal combustion engine is a controlled explosion. Wait. This figured out before you were weaning.
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This was a really interesting lecture I attended, it puts it simply the potentials.

Problem is LL labs are just military industrial complex, their impetus is always profit and weapons application, so a great discovery is utilized for war machine above the greater good.

I hate those labs, it is the great example of what is inherently wrong with humanity, needs to shift, this could shift everything in the right hands.
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This was a really interesting lecture I attended, it puts it simply the potentials.

Problem is LL labs are just military industrial complex, their impetus is always profit and weapons application, so a great discovery is utilized for war machine above the greater good.

I hate those labs, it is the great example of what is inherently wrong with humanity, needs to shift, this could shift everything in the right hands.

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While all the crazy shit is going on in the world...is going on...something truly phenomenal has recently happened for humankind...it happened 8/8/21, but can only just be reported now, to follow all of the precedence and scientific standards of communication required to verify this type of an event...there are over 1,000 scientists and authors who had to verify and contribute to this documented event...mankind is moving closer to energy independence for one and all...

[link to www.newsweek.com (secure)]

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major breakthrough in nuclear fusion has been confirmed a year after it was achieved at a laboratory in California.

Researchers at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory's (LLNL's) National Ignition Facility (NIF) recorded the first case of ignition on August 8, 2021, the results of which have now been published in three peer-reviewed papers.

Nuclear fusion is the process that powers the Sun and other stars: heavy hydrogen atoms collide with enough force that they fuse together to form a helium atom, releasing large amounts of energy as a by-product. Once the hydrogen plasma "ignites", the fusion reaction becomes self-sustaining, with the fusions themselves producing enough power to maintain the temperature without external heating.

Ignition during a fusion reaction essentially means that the reaction itself produced enough energy to be self-sustaining, which would be necessary in the use of fusion to generate electricity.
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lmao yes peasant, they are going to let you have free energy...

don't you realize everything is set up to be prohibitive by the elites so that not everyone ends up in their cushy position in life?

this is a game and every level of it is rigged for a certain outcome or outcomes.
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Seventy years after Ivy Mike -- first H-bomb (fusion bomb).
AKA Tiger Blood
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This is just like every few years they roll out an article that scientists have "discovered a pill that will let you live to be 200 years old!" and then it drops off into the abyss only to brought back out a couple years later.

The elites want to live to be 200, they don't want you to live to be 200. About 50 to 60 is good for us as they don't want us to collect our pensions and retirements and hog up resources.

They will get the technology and medical advancements and benefit from them, they will ensure we don't.
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They make us all pay for accessing the internet by forcing the masses accept that “oversight, management and maintenance” are required or else it would result in chaos. This tricks everyone into accepting that a cost is understandable.

They will do the same thing with free energy. They will make it appear as if getting the energy to our homes requires money to provide, and additional fees for the same maintenance, management, and oversight.

This is the same method used every time something comes along that would benefit the entire planet. If they can not apply these fees and costs they burry the tech and use it for their own personal private use.

This is how I believe things will unfold. Either that or the big utility companies will tie up free energy in so many legal issues that the world won’t be introduced to free energy until our grand children have grandchildren. By that point big utility will be the ones who are in control of the free energy and the ones who are making the profits from it.

The leaders of our leaders (ALL OF THEM) play for the same team. Theirs.

As long as the mindset of “it’s not personal, it’s business” remains foremost in their minds, the world population will remain at their mercy and business driven individuals never or very rarely make room for mercy.

Let alone be driven by mercy like this world should require in its elected officials.
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this is truly a phenomenally huge event for mankind...

remember how different only 40 years ago was, no electric cars, no personal computers, no mobile phones, no GPS, no technology that was almost unimaginable 40 years ago, even only 20 years ago, we are living and experiencing and benefitting from today in ways we could never see possible just only years (not even decades) ago...

with this new realization, all the world will soon benefit from yet another technological advancement that will not only make our best mobile phones, greatest microchips, and semiconductors and most advanced technology look infinitesimal in importance...

soon all our planet will have limitless, free energy...to do with as we please...everything will change
 Quoting: 82ndAirborneSniper


In your dreams.

The "masses" will never be allowed to have "limitless, free energy."

The "masses" will be allowed to pay (through the nose) for strictly limited amounts of power, just like now.

lflashdrevillflash
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Sadly, this. Those in control (you know who) will either block anything like this from being free to give out, or they will find a way to control the industry and simply record record profits.
 Quoting: seanb1979


Just like the medical advancements that will assuredly come forward (already here, let's be honest) that allow humans to live longer.

Elites also don't wait in line for organs, they got a dealer on speed dial.
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You would think so, but will we ever see free energy really? They want us to pay for everything and it just keeps going up so even if this breakthrough became mainstream we would still be paying through the nose for it even if it was produced at no cost.
 Quoting: curry nosher

FFS we pay for water and it falls out of the air for free.

Water treatment is not expensive, though it is quite heavy stuff (as stupid people who buy bottled water in plastic BPA impregnated containers can testify).

I'm guessing that they haven't developed suitcase size Fusion electrical generators yet, which will fit under the stairs or in the trunk of the car.

German scientists are the ones who will figure it out...
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Seventy years after Ivy Mike -- first H-bomb (fusion bomb).
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12,000 years since Atlantis.. first fuck up with limitless energy.
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Seventy years after Ivy Mike -- first H-bomb (fusion bomb).
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12,000 years since Atlantis.. first fuck up with limitless energy.
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that we have knowledge of
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It isn't as if everyone will soon be getting a fusion device for their garage or basement. Fusion is just another source of heat just like coal, natural gas or nuclear fission. The heat is used to boil water into steam which then powers a steam turbine generator.
This steam cycle is notoriously inefficient and requires a beaucoup amount of boilers or reactor vessels, condensers, pipes, valves, pumps and sensors in order to function. All of it requires the manufacture/installation of the components, human supervision and maintenance (paid workers) so it doesn't end up being free by any means. You won't have one of these steam based electrical generating systems at your house regardless of where the heat comes from. You don't have that now and fusion isn't going to bring it to you.
What you can have at your house is solar panels and batteries which looks more like the future of electrical generation than a bunch of pie in the sky that needs a complicated steam loop to function.
Solar panels and batteries are about as free as energy is going to be for the foreseeable future. We need to stop pursuing technology that requires boiling water into steam to generate electricity.
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We need to stop pursuing technology that requires boiling water into steam to generate electricity.
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How did Tesla produce it?

Why was he blackballed?
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While all the crazy shit is going on in the world...is going on...something truly phenomenal has recently happened for humankind...it happened 8/8/21, but can only just be reported now, to follow all of the precedence and scientific standards of communication required to verify this type of an event...there are over 1,000 scientists and authors who had to verify and contribute to this documented event...mankind is moving closer to energy independence for one and all...

[link to www.newsweek.com (secure)]

"
major breakthrough in nuclear fusion has been confirmed a year after it was achieved at a laboratory in California.

Researchers at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory's (LLNL's) National Ignition Facility (NIF) recorded the first case of ignition on August 8, 2021, the results of which have now been published in three peer-reviewed papers.

Nuclear fusion is the process that powers the Sun and other stars: heavy hydrogen atoms collide with enough force that they fuse together to form a helium atom, releasing large amounts of energy as a by-product. Once the hydrogen plasma "ignites", the fusion reaction becomes self-sustaining, with the fusions themselves producing enough power to maintain the temperature without external heating.

Ignition during a fusion reaction essentially means that the reaction itself produced enough energy to be self-sustaining, which would be necessary in the use of fusion to generate electricity.
"

--82nd Airborne Combat Veteran
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 Quoting: 82ndAirborneSniper


lmao yes peasant, they are going to let you have free energy...

don't you realize everything is set up to be prohibitive by the elites so that not everyone ends up in their cushy position in life?

this is a game and every level of it is rigged for a certain outcome or outcomes.
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Don't forget Jupiter Ignition.
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I think Nuclear Fusion Powerplant is a stupid idea.

Why?

It uses deuterium, and we have limited supply of deuterium on earth, and it will be depleted in no time.

Fission is better imo.
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While all the crazy shit is going on in the world...is going on...something truly phenomenal has recently happened for humankind...it happened 8/8/21, but can only just be reported now, to follow all of the precedence and scientific standards of communication required to verify this type of an event...there are over 1,000 scientists and authors who had to verify and contribute to this documented event...mankind is moving closer to energy independence for one and all...

[link to www.newsweek.com (secure)]

"
major breakthrough in nuclear fusion has been confirmed a year after it was achieved at a laboratory in California.

Researchers at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory's (LLNL's) National Ignition Facility (NIF) recorded the first case of ignition on August 8, 2021, the results of which have now been published in three peer-reviewed papers.

Nuclear fusion is the process that powers the Sun and other stars: heavy hydrogen atoms collide with enough force that they fuse together to form a helium atom, releasing large amounts of energy as a by-product. Once the hydrogen plasma "ignites", the fusion reaction becomes self-sustaining, with the fusions themselves producing enough power to maintain the temperature without external heating.

Ignition during a fusion reaction essentially means that the reaction itself produced enough energy to be self-sustaining, which would be necessary in the use of fusion to generate electricity.
"

--82nd Airborne Combat Veteran
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According to Newsweek?

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I remember when there was once a time when GLP, years and years ago, used to be filled with posts like these...of FACTS...of verifiable events that have occurred that sparked communication, imagination, sharing, and learning for all walks of life...

and now look at us today

we are better than this...and this event, is a testament to the spirit of mankind to always find a way, to make things turn out for the betterment of all in the end
 Quoting: 82ndAirborneSniper


You just like being played!
They perfected this technology years ago!
They are going to finally bring it out of the shadows for their new smart cities!
The evidence is clear if any looks!





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