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If TIME is a human construct then....

 
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If TIME is a human construct then....
Dates are meaningless. Cycles would be the way to tell one catastrophe from another.

Earth cycles, cosmic cycles etc.... so actually predicting doom based on a date is a waste of TIME which doesn't exist.

Thoughts?
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Re: If TIME is a human construct then....
Time is more a planetary construct that produces days and years in relation to Earth rotation relative to the Sun.
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Re: If TIME is a human construct then....
if it doesn't exist, then it can't be wasted ?

I don't think, just because something is abstract, that it can be said to 'not exist'

it's like, a different kind of existence

extremely arbitrary / ambiguous tho, sure
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Re: If TIME is a human construct then....
Time as the sequentiality of phenomena definitely exists.


Now the experience of it...


Objective and subjective time...

The measurement of time...


That is another matter.
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Re: If TIME is a human construct then....
Change is real.

The "permanent" is the illusion.

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Re: If TIME is a human construct then....
Yeah, time is a universal constant that exists outside of man. We just quantified it to an understandable scale for humans.

Whether you call an hour 60 minutes or 100 years, time (t) mis your constant.

It works on every quantifiable level we can determine.

What you're discussing is really human scale and perception of time, the first of which was explained and the second of which has no more to do with actual time (universal constant) and subjective experience of time.
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thus the reason "time" is constructed so that it's
never the "same day" for everyone on earth at the same
time.

So any specific "date" global doom is perpetually postponed.
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Dates are meaningless. Cycles would be the way to tell one catastrophe from another.

Earth cycles, cosmic cycles etc.... so actually predicting doom based on a date is a waste of TIME which doesn't exist.

Thoughts?
 Quoting: Always Looking


Time as we have developed it is real for us. It serves the purpose.

Your logic is silly to me. So we just don't try to have a measuring tool to use?

The Indians would use moon cycles and vegetation to tell stories. First moon after yellow leaves is Thanksgiving

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Re: If TIME is a human construct then....
Time is not a human construct.

Any other questions?
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The way we measure time is just for convenience all we did was divide the time in the year into increments down to seconds. The calander we use is as little wonky because it was for harvest times and aligns with the lunar cycle.
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Re: If TIME is a human construct then....
Time as the sequentiality of phenomena definitely exists.


Now the experience of it...


Objective and subjective time...

The measurement of time...


That is another matter.
 Quoting: Mr. Tiger Blood



Yeah the 24hr, 7 day, 365 day/year is legit and observable. Through motion of the stars, planets, moon etc.

But the year date is definitely in question. Is it really 2022? Relative to what exactly?
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Re: If TIME is a human construct then....
All these gurus with their "eternal now" crap.


Hold your breath, cross your eyes...



Nothing you can do can really make time stop.


Time marches on.
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Re: If TIME is a human construct then....
Dates are meaningless. Cycles would be the way to tell one catastrophe from another.

Earth cycles, cosmic cycles etc.... so actually predicting doom based on a date is a waste of TIME which doesn't exist.

Thoughts?
 Quoting: Always Looking


Time as we have developed it is real for us. It serves the purpose.

Your logic is silly to me. So we just don't try to have a measuring tool to use?

The Indians would use moon cycles and vegetation to tell stories. First moon after yellow leaves is Thanksgiving

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No I understand different cultures have tools to measure time or the passage of time. But the prediction of events based on a certain date because of the number sequence is meaningless.
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Re: If TIME is a human construct then....
Time as the sequentiality of phenomena definitely exists.


Now the experience of it...


Objective and subjective time...

The measurement of time...


That is another matter.
 Quoting: Mr. Tiger Blood



Yeah the 24hr, 7 day, 365 day/year is legit and observable. Through motion of the stars, planets, moon etc.

But the year date is definitely in question. Is it really 2022? Relative to what exactly?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81622398


Exactly. If the earth is 4 billion years old the date of 2022 makes no sense.
Truth and Facts - The two words liberals hate most!

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Re: If TIME is a human construct then....
Time as the sequentiality of phenomena definitely exists.


Now the experience of it...


Objective and subjective time...

The measurement of time...


That is another matter.
 Quoting: Mr. Tiger Blood



Yeah the 24hr, 7 day, 365 day/year is legit and observable. Through motion of the stars, planets, moon etc.

But the year date is definitely in question. Is it really 2022? Relative to what exactly?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81622398


Well, we can't really accurately date Christ's birth so the Christian calendar is b.s. to some extent.



The Gregorian reforms made it very accurate though as far as the earth's position around the sun.


The Julian calendar of Sisogenes was actually pretty amazing for the time!
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Re: If TIME is a human construct then....
Dates are meaningless. Cycles would be the way to tell one catastrophe from another.

Earth cycles, cosmic cycles etc.... so actually predicting doom based on a date is a waste of TIME which doesn't exist.

Thoughts?
 Quoting: Always Looking


time on this planet is time on this planet.. it is not the time of all the creation which does go thru cycles and so does earth.. but time relative to the planet is measured on all planets ... with human life on them.

Last Edited by Mother Maggie on 08/18/2022 11:55 AM
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Re: If TIME is a human construct then....
Time as the sequentiality of phenomena definitely exists.


Now the experience of it...


Objective and subjective time...

The measurement of time...


That is another matter.
 Quoting: Mr. Tiger Blood


Didnt you just post a vid of a plastic bag in the wind, going OMG UFO!!!


Dont listen to this guy kids.
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Re: If TIME is a human construct then....
Time as the sequentiality of phenomena definitely exists.


Now the experience of it...


Objective and subjective time...

The measurement of time...


That is another matter.
 Quoting: Mr. Tiger Blood


Didnt you just post a vid of a plastic bag in the wind, going OMG UFO!!!


Dont listen to this guy kids.
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You must have amazing vision to be able to tell that was a plastic bag from the TikTok video.




And "kids"...


I thought our country club was for grown-up's only.



Why not let the ADULTS of GLP make up their own mind about things?
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Re: If TIME is a human construct then....
I wonder if they had plastic bags in Ezekiel's day.



Weather balloons?
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Re: If TIME is a human construct then....
Time as the sequentiality of phenomena definitely exists.


Now the experience of it...


Objective and subjective time...

The measurement of time...


That is another matter.
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This is correct.

Time is a PERCEPTUAL CONSTRUCT applicable to all sentient beings with the ability to perceive spatial/temporal dimensions.

Time/Space is inseparable from Consciousness as neither can exist without the other.

2 sides of the same coin.
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Re: If TIME is a human construct then....
Time as the sequentiality of phenomena definitely exists.


Now the experience of it...


Objective and subjective time...

The measurement of time...


That is another matter.
 Quoting: Mr. Tiger Blood


This is correct.

Time is a PERCEPTUAL CONSTRUCT applicable to all sentient beings with the ability to perceive spatial/temporal dimensions.

Time/Space is inseparable from Consciousness as neither can exist without the other.

2 sides of the same coin.
 Quoting: Common Centz 80878951


Good stuff here!
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I wonder if they had plastic bags in Ezekiel's day.



Weather balloons?
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Exactly my point, you believe in dumb shit, your foundations are skewed. If understanding plastic is a challenge, time will never be within your reach.
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Re: If TIME is a human construct then....
Only Earthly or Cosmic measures should matter.

Maybe we die at a young age compared to accounts in historical texts because we now measure time now down to the millisecond or eve. More infinitesimally.

Waaaay moreunits of time to count.
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I wonder if they had plastic bags in Ezekiel's day.



Weather balloons?
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Exactly my point, you believe in dumb shit, your foundations are skewed. If understanding plastic is a challenge, time will never be within your reach.
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Please feel free to enlighten us all with your notions on "time".


popcorn
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Re: If TIME is a human construct then....
Though astrology gets a bad wrap from a lot of people, it originally; going back to the first civilizations, was a system by which they were tracking cycles of varying length in time.

In the ancient civilizations you had sages and scribes that did nothing but study the stars in the sky every night and mark down what was going on in the civilization at the time. Over the generations they saw patterns and cycles starting to emerge.

Just because time as a measuring system is man made, you don't necessarily have to throw out the baby with the bathwater, because you would be throwing out thousands of years of concrete observation by humans.

And then you would go from having a maybe slightly faulty system of observing the cycles, to having no system at all.

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I wonder if they had plastic bags in Ezekiel's day.



Weather balloons?
 Quoting: Mr. Tiger Blood


Exactly my point, you believe in dumb shit, your foundations are skewed. If understanding plastic is a challenge, time will never be within your reach.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84031589


Please feel free to enlighten us all with your notions on "time".


popcorn
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Whats there to debate? Time exist as much as an inch does.
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Re: If TIME is a human construct then....
Time does not exist in the creation except where HUMANS need to measure some time by seasons and such...

we live always in the eternal now otherwise. Because no matter what time is measured on planets with people... none of it matches and its always the eternal now.
Yea though I walk thru the valley of gross inability to recognize the absurd ..lies...propaganda and dark shits... I will fear it all NOT.. for THOU ART WITH ME. AND JESUS SAID ON THE CROSS.. FORGIVE THEM FATHER.. THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO
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Re: If TIME is a human construct then....
Time does not exist in the creation except where HUMANS need to measure some time by seasons and such...

we live always in the eternal now otherwise. Because no matter what time is measured on planets with people... none of it matches and its always the eternal now.
 Quoting: Mother Maggie


A guru appears...
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Time does not exist in the creation except where HUMANS need to measure some time by seasons and such...

we live always in the eternal now otherwise. Because no matter what time is measured on planets with people... none of it matches and its always the eternal now.
 Quoting: Mother Maggie


A guru appears...
 Quoting: Mr. Tiger Blood


She is actually not totally wrong IMHO.

I would make some slight corrections as per my previous post.

Time is a perceptual construct applicable to ALL sentient beings, not just humans.

Outside of perception, all space and time possibilities, including past, present and future, exist simultaneously, sided by side.

This would be the "Eternal Now".

Consider this...
When you play a video game, all possible realities are already written in a coded form of information, before you ever play the game.

All possible paths and realities in that game exist at once, from beginning to end.

That would be the state of "Singularity" or "Eternal Now".

Only when you actively participate in the game does linear time/space unfold according to the choices you make during the duration of play/perception.

This does not mean the other realities that you did not experience in the game do not exist in the video game code. It simply means you did not choose the particular path to experience those particle sets of coded information.

This is very similar to how parallel realities exist side by side even though we do not experience them all. What we experience is entirely dependent upon our choices and perceived consequences of those choices.

A different player may experience an entirely different set of variables while still playing the same game.

Computers are modeled after reality which is why they can give us great insight as to the true nature of the UNIverse.

Good thread OP!
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Re: If TIME is a human construct then....
Yep, dates have no meaning other then for humans.

Cycles in nature is what counts

Dates have a small affect on our life, as dates themselves operate in cycles in nature, but humans confuse how dates and cycles on earth are intertwined.

So i always ignore dates, they mean nothing in the universe, and always will do.

Its cycles that matter, and what that means for people on earth.
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In eternity, where there is no time, nothing can grow.
Nothing can become. Nothing changes. So death created
time to grow the things that it would kill...





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