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Sungaze_At_Dawn  User ID: 81004338  Canada08/23/2022 12:27 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread: Very Good Topics Viva and Barnes This Week Concerning Raid An Attempt Legally To Enshrine Deep State Over the People Thread: Very Good Topics Viva and Barnes This Week Concerning Raid An Attempt Legally To Enshrine Deep State Over the People Then at roughly 32 min Barnes says there was no legal basis in his knowledge, for the warrant at all. Espionage and Defense act claims are ridiculous. He says the crux is that these either are presidential records, or they say they're classified or a mixture of both presidential AND classified. He names the Judge Amy Berman Jackson that basically set the precedent for Bill Clinton to keep what he took after he left office. Judicial Watch was denied access to the papers. Though she apparently has kangaroo courts she is right on the law. The Presidential's Record Act: this act is not about controlling the President but applies to those other than the President having access to records. The classification rules are exactly the same. The purpose is not to govern the President, but everyone else. A President Can Decide What Is a Personal Record or a Presidential Record. Not even a reviewable thing. Exclusively in the right of the President. A President can declare any record personal records. And the President is the one who determines what is classified and it can't be overturned even by Congress. Thread: Very Good Topics Viva and Barnes This Week Concerning Raid An Attempt Legally To Enshrine Deep State Over the People They're trying to make it a legal ruling that the Deep State Governs. Not elected representatives. They're trying to make "experts" rule not the people. The Devil tries to convince everyone he doesn't exist. The state tries to convince everyone they cannot resist. Do not go quietly into the good night. Rage Rage against the dying light! |
| FHL(C) User ID: 80826561  China08/23/2022 12:29 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you have to wonder why Quoting: NDFarm [link to dnyuz.com (secure)] The initial batch of documents retrieved by the National Archives from former President Donald J. Trump in January included more than 150 marked as classified, a number that ignited intense concern at the Justice Department and helped trigger the criminal investigation that led F.B.I. agents to swoop into Mar-a-Lago this month seeking to recover more, multiple people briefed on the matter said. In total, the government has recovered more than 300 documents with classified markings from Mr. Trump since he left office, the people said: that first batch of documents returned in January, another set provided by Mr. Trump’s aides to the Justice Department in June and the material seized by the F.B.I. in the search this month. Not really. I wonder how many all prior Potus took or still have. And tge current one. Who knows how many hunter and brother will end up with let alone jill YAHshua the sound of His Name in English, YAH is short form of YHVH, Bible.PRAYERBOOK.Praisebook DOWNLOADs [link to www.docdroid.net (secure)] [link to pdfhost.io (secure)] [link to www.docdroid.net (secure)] |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 12762317 United States08/23/2022 09:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you have to wonder why Quoting: NDFarm [link to dnyuz.com (secure)] The initial batch of documents retrieved by the National Archives from former President Donald J. Trump in January included more than 150 marked as classified, a number that ignited intense concern at the Justice Department and helped trigger the criminal investigation that led F.B.I. agents to swoop into Mar-a-Lago this month seeking to recover more, multiple people briefed on the matter said. In total, the government has recovered more than 300 documents with classified markings from Mr. Trump since he left office, the people said: that first batch of documents returned in January, another set provided by Mr. Trump’s aides to the Justice Department in June and the material seized by the F.B.I. in the search this month. Words matter. "Marked classified" does not mean "is classified". Remember this when Hillary's email was the issue? Hmmmmmmmmmmm????? |
| NDFarm (OP) User ID: 82269147 United States08/23/2022 02:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you have to wonder why Quoting: NDFarm [link to dnyuz.com (secure)] The initial batch of documents retrieved by the National Archives from former President Donald J. Trump in January included more than 150 marked as classified, a number that ignited intense concern at the Justice Department and helped trigger the criminal investigation that led F.B.I. agents to swoop into Mar-a-Lago this month seeking to recover more, multiple people briefed on the matter said. In total, the government has recovered more than 300 documents with classified markings from Mr. Trump since he left office, the people said: that first batch of documents returned in January, another set provided by Mr. Trump’s aides to the Justice Department in June and the material seized by the F.B.I. in the search this month. Words matter. "Marked classified" does not mean "is classified". Remember this when Hillary's email was the issue? Hmmmmmmmmmmm????? Well Hillary is ancient history. What was Trump doing with all the classified documents at his residence? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 83949673 United States08/23/2022 02:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To be sure, classified documents that are subsequently declassified are not then marked “Declassified” and retain their original “Classified” stamps. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83771066 So this “story” is a non-starter and makes OP look like even more of a moron, if that’s possible. The Presidential Records Act only applies to those who work for the President. It does not apply to the President himself. Read the law. |
| Sungaze_At_Dawn User ID: 81004338 Canada08/23/2022 02:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh, and look at what was posted on Viva and Barnes site: [link to politiquerepublic.substack.com (secure)] Far less than 50%: Obama made the unprecedented and controversial decision to transport approximately 30 million physical documents and artifacts related to his presidency in 40 tractor trailers out of the capital to a shuttered furniture showroom located in the Chicago suburbs. The Devil tries to convince everyone he doesn't exist. The state tries to convince everyone they cannot resist. Do not go quietly into the good night. Rage Rage against the dying light! |
| NDFarm (OP) User ID: 82269147 United States08/23/2022 02:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh, and look at what was posted on Viva and Barnes site: Quoting: Sungaze_At_Dawn [link to politiquerepublic.substack.com (secure)] Far less than 50%: Obama made the unprecedented and controversial decision to transport approximately 30 million physical documents and artifacts related to his presidency in 40 tractor trailers out of the capital to a shuttered furniture showroom located in the Chicago suburbs. I never heard of him keeping classified documents. |
| Sungaze_At_Dawn User ID: 81004338 Canada08/23/2022 02:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh, and look at what was posted on Viva and Barnes site: Quoting: Sungaze_At_Dawn [link to politiquerepublic.substack.com (secure)] Far less than 50%: Obama made the unprecedented and controversial decision to transport approximately 30 million physical documents and artifacts related to his presidency in 40 tractor trailers out of the capital to a shuttered furniture showroom located in the Chicago suburbs. I never heard of him keeping classified documents. President under Presidential act determines if its classified, presidential document or personal. No one, not the next president, not congress, no one has authority, no review board, no ability to undermine that. THAT IS THE LAW. The Devil tries to convince everyone he doesn't exist. The state tries to convince everyone they cannot resist. Do not go quietly into the good night. Rage Rage against the dying light! |
| bigD111 User ID: 81114246 United States08/23/2022 06:49 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh, and look at what was posted on Viva and Barnes site: Quoting: Sungaze_At_Dawn [link to politiquerepublic.substack.com (secure)] Far less than 50%: Obama made the unprecedented and controversial decision to transport approximately 30 million physical documents and artifacts related to his presidency in 40 tractor trailers out of the capital to a shuttered furniture showroom located in the Chicago suburbs. I never heard of him keeping classified documents. How could you or anyone else know? No one has ever checked them out! deplorably republican |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 83937561  France08/23/2022 08:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | https://twitter.com/_/status/1562233898708664321 [link to twitter.com (secure)] I’m increasingly of them opinion that Trump’s best defense may be that he’s delusional — some analog to insanity — bc he clearly does not appear to understand the central legal issues and controlling law in his case. Like, I’m trying to imagine the legal arguments he could make that would justify getting these docs back. One is: None of that stuff are government records. Unfortunately that went out the window with his executive privilege claim (and unofficial “declassification” claim) Another is that the Presidential Records Act doesn’t apply to him. But if so, why not? I mean it’s a dumb legal argument but if you’re going to make it, make it. But he hasn’t actually claimed that NARA isn’t the lawful custodian of these documents. He seemed to concede it The last one is, I violated the Presidential Records Act, but so what? You can’t do anything to me. This is *sort of* what he seemed to be arguing in his weird lawsuit thingy, but wut? Again, no real legal argument on that or why 2071 and 793 wouldn’t apply to him. So I think the only thing left is that he’s crazy. He thinks he’s still POTUS. Sort of like if you had a murder defendant who really believed they were the Queen of England and could execute people. I’m just trying to understand how his lawyers haven’t gotten through to him |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 83937561 France08/23/2022 08:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To be sure, classified documents that are subsequently declassified are not then marked “Declassified” and retain their original “Classified” stamps. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83771066 So this “story” is a non-starter and makes OP look like even more of a moron, if that’s possible. . Not true. If they're d declassified using legally approved channels and are approved for declassification they are certainly marked and reclassified accordingly. That's true. They are also removed from the folders that are required to hold them with their classification status clearly marked on the front. https://twitter.com/_/status/1557909459644682241 |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72611032 United States08/23/2022 08:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To be sure, classified documents that are subsequently declassified are not then marked “Declassified” and retain their original “Classified” stamps. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83771066 So this “story” is a non-starter and makes OP look like even more of a moron, if that’s possible. . Not true. If they're d declassified using legally approved channels and are approved for declassification they are certainly marked and reclassified accordingly. There is no process the president must legally follow the SC has confirmed this. Otherwise he would have to leave meetings to declassify things constantly. There is NO PROCESS Trump had to follow. What they are trying now is well Biden reclassified them. Please please please go there. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79449739 United States08/23/2022 08:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just in: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83937561 https://twitter.com/_/status/1562233898708664321 [link to twitter.com (secure)] I’m increasingly of them opinion that Trump’s best defense may be that he’s delusional — some analog to insanity — bc he clearly does not appear to understand the central legal issues and controlling law in his case. Like, I’m trying to imagine the legal arguments he could make that would justify getting these docs back. One is: None of that stuff are government records. Unfortunately that went out the window with his executive privilege claim (and unofficial “declassification” claim) Another is that the Presidential Records Act doesn’t apply to him. But if so, why not? I mean it’s a dumb legal argument but if you’re going to make it, make it. But he hasn’t actually claimed that NARA isn’t the lawful custodian of these documents. He seemed to concede it The last one is, I violated the Presidential Records Act, but so what? You can’t do anything to me. This is *sort of* what he seemed to be arguing in his weird lawsuit thingy, but wut? Again, no real legal argument on that or why 2071 and 793 wouldn’t apply to him. So I think the only thing left is that he’s crazy. He thinks he’s still POTUS. Sort of like if you had a murder defendant who really believed they were the Queen of England and could execute people. I’m just trying to understand how his lawyers haven’t gotten through to him You got demcast tatted on your forehead, you fucking negation snake motherfucker. DemCast is a non-profit organization utilizing social media to push left-wing narratives online through tens of thousands of accounts on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram. Garnering an estimation of over 50 billion impressions since just 2019 — DemCast aims at manipulating public opinion surrounding the topics of COVID, war with Russia, January 6, and even swaying local elections throughout all of the 50 states. [link to www.dailyveracity.com (secure)] EXCLUSIVE: MASSIVE Democrat ‘Bot Farms’ Revealed Influencing Elections, War, And Racial Tension — 51,343,790,000 Social Media Impressions Since 2019 — They’re Gearing Up for November & 2024 Thread: MASSIVE Democrat ‘Bot Farms’ Revealed Influencing Elections, War, And Racial Tension — 51,343,790,000 Social Media Impressions Since |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 81888035 United States08/23/2022 08:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just in: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83937561 https://twitter.com/_/status/1562233898708664321 [link to twitter.com (secure)] I’m increasingly of them opinion that Trump’s best defense may be that he’s delusional — some analog to insanity — bc he clearly does not appear to understand the central legal issues and controlling law in his case. Like, I’m trying to imagine the legal arguments he could make that would justify getting these docs back. One is: None of that stuff are government records. Unfortunately that went out the window with his executive privilege claim (and unofficial “declassification” claim) Another is that the Presidential Records Act doesn’t apply to him. But if so, why not? I mean it’s a dumb legal argument but if you’re going to make it, make it. But he hasn’t actually claimed that NARA isn’t the lawful custodian of these documents. He seemed to concede it The last one is, I violated the Presidential Records Act, but so what? You can’t do anything to me. This is *sort of* what he seemed to be arguing in his weird lawsuit thingy, but wut? Again, no real legal argument on that or why 2071 and 793 wouldn’t apply to him. So I think the only thing left is that he’s crazy. He thinks he’s still POTUS. Sort of like if you had a murder defendant who really believed they were the Queen of England and could execute people. I’m just trying to understand how his lawyers haven’t gotten through to him The claim is to force the government to submit the documents to the court as evidence and their status. This is to force the government into providing what they took, why, and their current status. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 81813126 United States08/23/2022 08:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They gave some back earlier. Why didn't he just give them all back. Then he would be in this mess. Quoting: NDFarm It's not his mess. It's the FBI's black eye. Can't trump Trump. :trump: It’s also going to get him elected again. ThatS the best part they just can’t help free campaign advertising. If the FBI are against them that’s who half the country supports. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 84029815 United States08/23/2022 09:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you have to wonder why Quoting: NDFarm [link to dnyuz.com (secure)] The initial batch of documents retrieved by the National Archives from former President Donald J. Trump in January included more than 150 marked as classified, a number that ignited intense concern at the Justice Department and helped trigger the criminal investigation that led F.B.I. agents to swoop into Mar-a-Lago this month seeking to recover more, multiple people briefed on the matter said. In total, the government has recovered more than 300 documents with classified markings from Mr. Trump since he left office, the people said: that first batch of documents returned in January, another set provided by Mr. Trump’s aides to the Justice Department in June and the material seized by the F.B.I. in the search this month. Because the powers that be who matter regard Trump as the real president, not Biden & Co., who stole the election. Yeah, I know, it's kind of hard for some to wrap their heads around it, but nonetheless, it's true. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72791234 United States08/23/2022 09:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nope. Quoting: Sungaze_At_Dawn Thread: Very Good Topics Viva and Barnes This Week Concerning Raid An Attempt Legally To Enshrine Deep State Over the People Thread: Very Good Topics Viva and Barnes This Week Concerning Raid An Attempt Legally To Enshrine Deep State Over the People Then at roughly 32 min Barnes says there was no legal basis in his knowledge, for the warrant at all. Espionage and Defense act claims are ridiculous. He says the crux is that these either are presidential records, or they say they're classified or a mixture of both presidential AND classified. He names the Judge Amy Berman Jackson that basically set the precedent for Bill Clinton to keep what he took after he left office. Judicial Watch was denied access to the papers. Though she apparently has kangaroo courts she is right on the law. The Presidential's Record Act: this act is not about controlling the President but applies to those other than the President having access to records. The classification rules are exactly the same. The purpose is not to govern the President, but everyone else. A President Can Decide What Is a Personal Record or a Presidential Record. Not even a reviewable thing. Exclusively in the right of the President. A President can declare any record personal records. And the President is the one who determines what is classified and it can't be overturned even by Congress. Thread: Very Good Topics Viva and Barnes This Week Concerning Raid An Attempt Legally To Enshrine Deep State Over the People They're trying to make it a legal ruling that the Deep State Governs. Not elected representatives. They're trying to make "experts" rule not the people. Personally I don’t even think they are that stupid. What I think happened is Trump fed the mole a story They rushed in like idiots and now are flailing around trying to cover and throwing bullshit every direction now that they got nothing. He set them up like like the fools they are. Now he gets to expose the corruption they used to get there. |
| 48Panhead User ID: 76637292 United States08/23/2022 09:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you have to wonder why Quoting: NDFarm [link to dnyuz.com (secure)] The initial batch of documents retrieved by the National Archives from former President Donald J. Trump in January included more than 150 marked as classified, a number that ignited intense concern at the Justice Department and helped trigger the criminal investigation that led F.B.I. agents to swoop into Mar-a-Lago this month seeking to recover more, multiple people briefed on the matter said. In total, the government has recovered more than 300 documents with classified markings from Mr. Trump since he left office, the people said: that first batch of documents returned in January, another set provided by Mr. Trump’s aides to the Justice Department in June and the material seized by the F.B.I. in the search this month. . . 20 years in Guantanamo for each document sounds reasonable. Daily waterboarding is just a bonus. considering Obammy took over 3000 classified documents, your terms are acceptable. 48Panhead |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 83588510  Hong Kong08/23/2022 09:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you have to wonder why Quoting: NDFarm [link to dnyuz.com (secure)] The initial batch of documents retrieved by the National Archives from former President Donald J. Trump in January included more than 150 marked as classified, a number that ignited intense concern at the Justice Department and helped trigger the criminal investigation that led F.B.I. agents to swoop into Mar-a-Lago this month seeking to recover more, multiple people briefed on the matter said. In total, the government has recovered more than 300 documents with classified markings from Mr. Trump since he left office, the people said: that first batch of documents returned in January, another set provided by Mr. Trump’s aides to the Justice Department in June and the material seized by the F.B.I. in the search this month. I do wonder why you keep shilling so hard. GloBro. |
