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If a president leaves office with any documents, the act of taking documents renders them declassified | |
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| Jay3 (OP) J to the 3rd User ID: 82221240 Switzerland08/31/2022 12:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If a president leaves office with any documents, the act of taking documents renders them declassified interestingly (not really) if you search for info about presidential declassification, you will get a ton of newly published articles all claiming that thsi power is limited and doesn't include what trump did... however, if you adjust the search date for things older than one year, you find a totally different take on this. for example, this article from NBC news: Can Trump Disclose Classified Information Whenever He Wants? Trump, as commander-in-chief, not only has the power to classify information about national security matters, but he can choose to make them public. [link to www.nbcnews.com (secure)] . . No clotshot, NEVER! . Mad as hell! . |
| Jay3 (OP) J to the 3rd User ID: 82221240 Switzerland08/31/2022 12:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If a president leaves office with any documents, the act of taking documents renders them declassified and this one, from ABC.. Trump has legal authority to declassify intelligence Despite the blowback, Trump is right. ByMARIAM KHAN May 16, 2017, 10:15 PM [link to abcnews.go.com (secure)] . . No clotshot, NEVER! . Mad as hell! . |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80632485  United States08/31/2022 12:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If a president leaves office with any documents, the act of taking documents renders them declassified But there is a process to declassify materials that Trump never went through. It's not an arbitrary or magical process. So I hate to tell you but you are wrong OP and a clip of Fox News doesn't change that. |
| Jay3 (OP) J to the 3rd User ID: 82221240 Switzerland08/31/2022 12:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If a president leaves office with any documents, the act of taking documents renders them declassified But there is a process to declassify materials that Trump never went through. It's not an arbitrary or magical process. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80632485 So I hate to tell you but you are wrong OP and a clip of Fox News doesn't change that. nope, no process needed what so ever. none. he doesn't even have to say anything. prove me wrong. . . No clotshot, NEVER! . Mad as hell! . |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80632485 United States08/31/2022 12:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If a president leaves office with any documents, the act of taking documents renders them declassified But there is a process to declassify materials that Trump never went through. It's not an arbitrary or magical process. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80632485 So I hate to tell you but you are wrong OP and a clip of Fox News doesn't change that. nope, no process needed what so ever. none. he doesn't even have to say anything. prove me wrong. Prove yourself right, dipshit. Nothing you posted says what you just claimed. Are you sure this isn't a LARP or a sexual fantasy thread where you imagine trump with his docs and a tub of Crisco? |
| Jay3 (OP) J to the 3rd User ID: 82221240 Switzerland08/31/2022 12:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If a president leaves office with any documents, the act of taking documents renders them declassified Sorry the orange Michelin man is going down but keep watching Fox they'll spin it how you want to hear Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80632485 why don't you click on one of the other two links i posted above. one from nbc and one from abc... i can post plenty more, no fox needed, you shill. . . No clotshot, NEVER! . Mad as hell! . |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80632485 United States08/31/2022 12:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If a president leaves office with any documents, the act of taking documents renders them declassified Sorry the orange Michelin man is going down but keep watching Fox they'll spin it how you want to hear Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80632485 why don't you click on one of the other two links i posted above. one from nbc and one from abc... i can post plenty more, no fox needed, you shill. Because why would you not post the relevant information if it's available? You yourself said most of the search results say he can't declassify documents by waving his hand but you told me to prove it you. Click the links yourself then and post both sides you homo. |
| Jay3 (OP) J to the 3rd User ID: 82221240 Switzerland08/31/2022 12:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If a president leaves office with any documents, the act of taking documents renders them declassified But there is a process to declassify materials that Trump never went through. It's not an arbitrary or magical process. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80632485 So I hate to tell you but you are wrong OP and a clip of Fox News doesn't change that. nope, no process needed what so ever. none. he doesn't even have to say anything. prove me wrong. Prove yourself right, dipshit. Nothing you posted says what you just claimed. Are you sure this isn't a LARP or a sexual fantasy thread where you imagine trump with his docs and a tub of Crisco? i realize, since you're a degenerate commie piece of scum, you cannot discuss anything without turning it into some sexual deviation, it still doesn't refute anything i posted. but, thanks for the bump. Last Edited by Jay3 on 08/31/2022 12:19 PM . . No clotshot, NEVER! . Mad as hell! . |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80632485 United States08/31/2022 12:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If a president leaves office with any documents, the act of taking documents renders them declassified So, could Trump declassify National Defense Information at will? Essentially, the logic is that whoever has the authority to classify documents also has the authority to declassify documents. And, all classification authority under these executive orders ultimately stems from the president, so the assertion that Trump could have declassified those documents as he saw fit is probably plausible. However, valid declassification actions require procedures, records, and logging, and arguably ought to have been marked as declassified prior to entering into private hands. This defense has never been litigated, however, so the limits a president might have in this area remain uncertain. Typically, classification violations are handled administratively—revoked security clearance, terminated employment, etc.—and not as criminal cases Quoting: Yeah he declassified them that's why they were all still in their Top Secret folders  |
| Jay3 (OP) J to the 3rd User ID: 82221240 Switzerland08/31/2022 12:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If a president leaves office with any documents, the act of taking documents renders them declassified So, could Trump declassify National Defense Information at will? Essentially, the logic is that whoever has the authority to classify documents also has the authority to declassify documents. And, all classification authority under these executive orders ultimately stems from the president, so the assertion that Trump could have declassified those documents as he saw fit is probably plausible. However, valid declassification actions require procedures, records, and logging, and arguably ought to have been marked as declassified prior to entering into private hands. This defense has never been litigated, however, so the limits a president might have in this area remain uncertain. Typically, classification violations are handled administratively—revoked security clearance, terminated employment, etc.—and not as criminal cases Quoting: Yeah he declassified them that's why they were all still in their Top Secret folders you're even more stupid than you originally seem. but i'm happy to have oyu continue to bump my post.  . . No clotshot, NEVER! . Mad as hell! . |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80632485 United States08/31/2022 12:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If a president leaves office with any documents, the act of taking documents renders them declassified But there is a process to declassify materials that Trump never went through. It's not an arbitrary or magical process. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80632485 So I hate to tell you but you are wrong OP and a clip of Fox News doesn't change that. nope, no process needed what so ever. none. he doesn't even have to say anything. prove me wrong. Prove yourself right, dipshit. Nothing you posted says what you just claimed. Are you sure this isn't a LARP or a sexual fantasy thread where you imagine trump with his docs and a tub of Crisco? i realize, since you're a degenerate commie piece of scum, you cannot discuss anything without turning it into some sexual deviation, it still doesn't refute anything i posted. but, thanks for the bump. Because you would need to have a deep seeded dysfunction, sexual or otherwise, to risk your integrity making up facts to defend 300 pound Waluigi and his comb over. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80632485 United States08/31/2022 12:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If a president leaves office with any documents, the act of taking documents renders them declassified So, could Trump declassify National Defense Information at will? Essentially, the logic is that whoever has the authority to classify documents also has the authority to declassify documents. And, all classification authority under these executive orders ultimately stems from the president, so the assertion that Trump could have declassified those documents as he saw fit is probably plausible. However, valid declassification actions require procedures, records, and logging, and arguably ought to have been marked as declassified prior to entering into private hands. This defense has never been litigated, however, so the limits a president might have in this area remain uncertain. Typically, classification violations are handled administratively—revoked security clearance, terminated employment, etc.—and not as criminal cases Quoting: Yeah he declassified them that's why they were all still in their Top Secret folders you're even more stupid than you originally seem. but i'm happy to have oyu continue to bump my post. Make note OP has given up trying to defend his premise and has fallen back on the 'Ole "thanks for the bump routine" And you're welcome, so everyone can see how wrong you are start to prepare their suicide for when Trump goes to jail |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80632485 United States08/31/2022 12:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If a president leaves office with any documents, the act of taking documents renders them declassified There have been instances of presidents declassifying National Defense Information by fiat. For example, Executive Order 12937 (1994), issued by Bill Clinton, declassified a list of documents in the National Archives by fiat, allowing information in them to be retained only if it was otherwise required to be for reasons other than national defense (for example, if they violate the privacy of a federal employee). Quoting: Stupid bill Clinton and his executive orders if he had trumps lawyers he would have known he can declassified documents just by waving his hand and thinking "Sim Sim Salabim!" (He doesn't even have to say it out loud) |
| Jay3 (OP) J to the 3rd User ID: 82221240 Switzerland08/31/2022 12:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If a president leaves office with any documents, the act of taking documents renders them declassified There have been instances of presidents declassifying National Defense Information by fiat. For example, Executive Order 12937 (1994), issued by Bill Clinton, declassified a list of documents in the National Archives by fiat, allowing information in them to be retained only if it was otherwise required to be for reasons other than national defense (for example, if they violate the privacy of a federal employee). Quoting: Stupid bill Clinton and his executive orders if he had trumps lawyers he would have known he can declassified documents just by waving his hand and thinking "Sim Sim Salabim!" (He doesn't even have to say it out loud) actually, he doesn't even have to wave his hand. . . No clotshot, NEVER! . Mad as hell! . |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80632485 United States08/31/2022 12:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If a president leaves office with any documents, the act of taking documents renders them declassified There have been instances of presidents declassifying National Defense Information by fiat. For example, Executive Order 12937 (1994), issued by Bill Clinton, declassified a list of documents in the National Archives by fiat, allowing information in them to be retained only if it was otherwise required to be for reasons other than national defense (for example, if they violate the privacy of a federal employee). Quoting: Stupid bill Clinton and his executive orders if he had trumps lawyers he would have known he can declassified documents just by waving his hand and thinking "Sim Sim Salabim!" (He doesn't even have to say it out loud) actually, he doesn't even have to wave his hand. Actually you don't know shut, fucking idiot. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80632485 United States08/31/2022 12:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If a president leaves office with any documents, the act of taking documents renders them declassified There have been instances of presidents declassifying National Defense Information by fiat. For example, Executive Order 12937 (1994), issued by Bill Clinton, declassified a list of documents in the National Archives by fiat, allowing information in them to be retained only if it was otherwise required to be for reasons other than national defense (for example, if they violate the privacy of a federal employee). Quoting: Stupid bill Clinton and his executive orders if he had trumps lawyers he would have known he can declassified documents just by waving his hand and thinking "Sim Sim Salabim!" (He doesn't even have to say it out loud) actually, he doesn't even have to wave his hand. Actually you don't know shut, fucking idiot. I'm sorry, you don't know SHIT, other than what's on Trumps head that he calls a hairstyle  |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75286470 United States08/31/2022 12:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If a president leaves office with any documents, the act of taking documents renders them declassified So, could Trump declassify National Defense Information at will? Essentially, the logic is that whoever has the authority to classify documents also has the authority to declassify documents. And, all classification authority under these executive orders ultimately stems from the president, so the assertion that Trump could have declassified those documents as he saw fit is probably plausible. However, valid declassification actions require procedures, records, and logging, and arguably ought to have been marked as declassified prior to entering into private hands. This defense has never been litigated, however, so the limits a president might have in this area remain uncertain. Typically, classification violations are handled administratively—revoked security clearance, terminated employment, etc.—and not as criminal cases Quoting: Yeah he declassified them that's why they were all still in their Top Secret folders We have no idea what was in the folders the FBI conveniently staged a photo for. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80632485 United States08/31/2022 12:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If a president leaves office with any documents, the act of taking documents renders them declassified So, could Trump declassify National Defense Information at will? Essentially, the logic is that whoever has the authority to classify documents also has the authority to declassify documents. And, all classification authority under these executive orders ultimately stems from the president, so the assertion that Trump could have declassified those documents as he saw fit is probably plausible. However, valid declassification actions require procedures, records, and logging, and arguably ought to have been marked as declassified prior to entering into private hands. This defense has never been litigated, however, so the limits a president might have in this area remain uncertain. Typically, classification violations are handled administratively—revoked security clearance, terminated employment, etc.—and not as criminal cases Quoting: Yeah he declassified them that's why they were all still in their Top Secret folders We have no idea what was in the folders the FBI conveniently staged a photo for. We don't even know those are FBI agents they could be gray aliens in disguise  |
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| MrCoolone User ID: 33106931 United States08/31/2022 12:53 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If a president leaves office with any documents, the act of taking documents renders them declassified So, could Trump declassify National Defense Information at will? Essentially, the logic is that whoever has the authority to classify documents also has the authority to declassify documents. And, all classification authority under these executive orders ultimately stems from the president, so the assertion that Trump could have declassified those documents as he saw fit is probably plausible. However, valid declassification actions require procedures, records, and logging, and arguably ought to have been marked as declassified prior to entering into private hands. This defense has never been litigated, however, so the limits a president might have in this area remain uncertain. Typically, classification violations are handled administratively—revoked security clearance, terminated employment, etc.—and not as criminal cases Quoting: Yeah he declassified them that's why they were all still in their Top Secret folders you're even more stupid than you originally seem. but i'm happy to have oyu continue to bump my post. Make note OP has given up trying to defend his premise and has fallen back on the 'Ole "thanks for the bump routine" And you're welcome, so everyone can see how wrong you are start to prepare their suicide for when Trump goes to jail NICE TRY LIBTARD, THE FAKE NEWS MEDIA WILL SAY WHAT EVER THE FBI/DOJ TELLS THEM. It's legally impossible to obstruct non-crimes like they're trying to investigate here. there's a track record of lying in this witch hunt. They leaked out that AG Garland did not personally approve this raid. That's a lie. They leaked out that Trump had nuclear documents per Garland. That's a lie. They leaked out that Pedo Pete Biden and the Chit the Pants Joe white house was not, did not have a heads up about this raid. That's a lie. Pedo Pete Biden had to wave president Trump's executive privilege in order to pave the way for this raid. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80632485 United States08/31/2022 12:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If a president leaves office with any documents, the act of taking documents renders them declassified ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80632485 Yeah he declassified them that's why they were all still in their Top Secret folders you're even more stupid than you originally seem. but i'm happy to have oyu continue to bump my post. Make note OP has given up trying to defend his premise and has fallen back on the 'Ole "thanks for the bump routine" And you're welcome, so everyone can see how wrong you are start to prepare their suicide for when Trump goes to jail NICE TRY LIBTARD, THE FAKE NEWS MEDIA WILL SAY WHAT EVER THE FBI/DOJ TELLS THEM. It's legally impossible to obstruct non-crimes like they're trying to investigate here. there's a track record of lying in this witch hunt. They leaked out that AG Garland did not personally approve this raid. That's a lie. They leaked out that Trump had nuclear documents per Garland. That's a lie. They leaked out that Pedo Pete Biden and the Chit the Pants Joe white house was not, did not have a heads up about this raid. That's a lie. Pedo Pete Biden had to wave president Trump's executive privilege in order to pave the way for this raid. And then one day you grew up and realized how the world works and that nothing you're saying changes the reality of what's happening, orangetard. Or do you prefer day-glotard? Toadstooltard? Orangeraccoonwithacombovertard? |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80632485 United States08/31/2022 01:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If a president leaves office with any documents, the act of taking documents renders them declassified Trump stealing classified docs is no different than OJ trying to rob someone for his sports memorabilia. And now that Trump killed Ivana they might as well be the same person. Your president is white OJ Simpson. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75286470 United States08/31/2022 01:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If a president leaves office with any documents, the act of taking documents renders them declassified ... Quoting: Jay3 you're even more stupid than you originally seem. but i'm happy to have oyu continue to bump my post. Make note OP has given up trying to defend his premise and has fallen back on the 'Ole "thanks for the bump routine" And you're welcome, so everyone can see how wrong you are start to prepare their suicide for when Trump goes to jail NICE TRY LIBTARD, THE FAKE NEWS MEDIA WILL SAY WHAT EVER THE FBI/DOJ TELLS THEM. It's legally impossible to obstruct non-crimes like they're trying to investigate here. there's a track record of lying in this witch hunt. They leaked out that AG Garland did not personally approve this raid. That's a lie. They leaked out that Trump had nuclear documents per Garland. That's a lie. They leaked out that Pedo Pete Biden and the Chit the Pants Joe white house was not, did not have a heads up about this raid. That's a lie. Pedo Pete Biden had to wave president Trump's executive privilege in order to pave the way for this raid. And then one day you grew up and realized how the world works and that nothing you're saying changes the reality of what's happening, orangetard. Or do you prefer day-glotard? Toadstooltard? Orangeraccoonwithacombovertard? What will Democrats do when there is no arrest or indictment? 7 years you've been promised Trump is going down with no results. After so many failures I have every reason to believe this will fail too because they are lying to you or they are incompetent. Why would you keep supporting them? |
| Jay3 (OP) J to the 3rd User ID: 82221240 Switzerland08/31/2022 01:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If a president leaves office with any documents, the act of taking documents renders them declassified ... Quoting: Jay3 you're even more stupid than you originally seem. but i'm happy to have oyu continue to bump my post. Make note OP has given up trying to defend his premise and has fallen back on the 'Ole "thanks for the bump routine" And you're welcome, so everyone can see how wrong you are start to prepare their suicide for when Trump goes to jail NICE TRY LIBTARD, THE FAKE NEWS MEDIA WILL SAY WHAT EVER THE FBI/DOJ TELLS THEM. It's legally impossible to obstruct non-crimes like they're trying to investigate here. there's a track record of lying in this witch hunt. They leaked out that AG Garland did not personally approve this raid. That's a lie. They leaked out that Trump had nuclear documents per Garland. That's a lie. They leaked out that Pedo Pete Biden and the Chit the Pants Joe white house was not, did not have a heads up about this raid. That's a lie. Pedo Pete Biden had to wave president Trump's executive privilege in order to pave the way for this raid. And then one day you grew up and realized how the world works and that nothing you're saying changes the reality of what's happening, orangetard. Or do you prefer day-glotard? Toadstooltard? Orangeraccoonwithacombovertard? you sure are investing a lot into my thread here. did you recently get a raise--is it 3.75 per post now? . . No clotshot, NEVER! . Mad as hell! . |
