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Vladimir Putin must return the Black Sea peninsula, including Crimea, to its “rightful owners,” Turkey’s President Erdogan says

 
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Vladimir Putin must return the Black Sea peninsula, including Crimea, to its “rightful owners,” Turkey’s President Erdogan says
Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said that Russian President Vladimir Putin must return all land that Russia has occupied, including Crimea.

The Black Sea peninsula should be returned to its “rightful owners,” ERDOGAN told PBS NewsHour on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly in New York, in comments likely to provoke ire in Moscow.

Asked whether Russia should be allowed to keep Crimea in a negotiated end to the war, Erdoğan said, “These are our descendants at the same time, the people who are living there. If you were to take this step forward, if you could leave us, you would also be relieving the Crimean Tatars and Ukraine as well. That’s what we have always been saying.”

Erdogan said he had been telling Putin this since 2014. “But since then, unfortunately, no step has been taken forward,” he added.

The remarks make him the latest world leader with continuing ties to Russia to deal Putin a rhetorical blow in recent days. India’s Narendra Modi raised concerns last week about the Russian president’s ongoing war on Ukraine, and Putin himself admitted China’s Xi Jinping expressed “concerns” as well.

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Russia is screwed. The leaders gave him some time to win but India and China are sick of it now also.
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Re: Vladimir Putin must return the Black Sea peninsula, including Crimea, to its “rightful owners,” Turkey’s President Erdogan says
Russia is screwed. The leaders gave him some time to win but India and China are sick of it now also.
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Besides China, Putin doesn’t have many friends left now.

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Re: Vladimir Putin must return the Black Sea peninsula, including Crimea, to its “rightful owners,” Turkey’s President Erdogan says
Russia is screwed. The leaders gave him some time to win but India and China are sick of it now also.
 Quoting: Uncle Gintel

China's survival is tied to Russia now thanks to the asinine/dangerous US foreign policy. India will not cede sovereignty to an international cabal led by elites from DC and London. A fantasy at best.

This is from weeks ago there are probably hundreds of threads about it.
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Russia is screwed. The leaders gave him some time to win but India and China are sick of it now also.
 Quoting: Uncle Gintel

China's survival is tied to Russia now thanks to the asinine/dangerous US foreign policy. India will not cede sovereignty to an international cabal led by elites from DC and London. A fantasy at best.

This is from weeks ago there are probably hundreds of threads about it.
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Yep China is realizing they chose poorly.



We signed an agreement with south korea today to basically wipe China out of the microchip game.
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Re: Vladimir Putin must return the Black Sea peninsula, including Crimea, to its “rightful owners,” Turkey’s President Erdogan says
Judy Woodruff:

Should Russia be permitted to keep some of the territory it's taken from Ukraine since it invaded in February? Should that be part of a solution to this — to this conflict?

Recep Tayyip Erdoğan (through translator):

No, and undoubtedly no.

When we talk about reciprocal agreement, this is what we mean. If a peace is going to be established in Ukraine, of course, the returning of the land that was invaded will become really important. This is what is expected. This is what is wanted. Mr. Putin has taken certain steps. We have taken certain steps.

The lands which were invaded will be returned to Ukraine.

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Re: Vladimir Putin must return the Black Sea peninsula, including Crimea, to its “rightful owners,” Turkey’s President Erdogan says
He means RETURN CRIMEA TO TURKEY….

Crimea was held by the Ottoman Empire for 340 years after they took it from the Mongels via the Crimean Khanate, a puppet star of the Ottomans.

Russia took it in 1783 after a huge war.

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Re: Vladimir Putin must return the Black Sea peninsula, including Crimea, to its “rightful owners,” Turkey’s President Erdogan says
He means RETURN CRIMEA TO TURKEY….

Crimea was held by the Ottoman Empire for 340 years after they took it from the Mongels via the Crimean Khanate, a puppet star of the Ottomans.

Russia took it in 1783 after a huge war.
 Quoting: Flying Elvii


What he means?

Here’s what he said:

“ The lands which were invaded will be returned to Ukraine.”
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He means RETURN CRIMEA TO TURKEY….

Crimea was held by the Ottoman Empire for 340 years after they took it from the Mongels via the Crimean Khanate, a puppet star of the Ottomans.

Russia took it in 1783 after a huge war.
 Quoting: Flying Elvii


What he means?

Here’s what he said:

“ The lands which were invaded will be returned to Ukraine.”
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80788820



I'm not surprised that he hates freedom.

The Crimean referendum and all recent polls prove unquestionably that the people of Crimea wish to be a part of Russia.

So, either you hate freedom and democracy, or you believe the will of the people is superceded by that of the state.
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Re: Vladimir Putin must return the Black Sea peninsula, including Crimea, to its “rightful owners,” Turkey’s President Erdogan says
He means RETURN CRIMEA TO TURKEY….

Crimea was held by the Ottoman Empire for 340 years after they took it from the Mongels via the Crimean Khanate, a puppet star of the Ottomans.

Russia took it in 1783 after a huge war.
 Quoting: Flying Elvii


What he means?

Here’s what he said:

“ The lands which were invaded will be returned to Ukraine.”
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80788820



I'm not surprised that he hates freedom.

The Crimean referendum and all recent polls prove unquestionably that the people of Crimea wish to be a part of Russia.

So, either you hate freedom and democracy, or you believe the will of the people is superceded by that of the state.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68108851


Funny how Pootin only likes democracy when they are in the form of "referendums" that conveniently go his way lmao
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Re: Vladimir Putin must return the Black Sea peninsula, including Crimea, to its “rightful owners,” Turkey’s President Erdogan says
He means RETURN CRIMEA TO TURKEY….

Crimea was held by the Ottoman Empire for 340 years after they took it from the Mongels via the Crimean Khanate, a puppet star of the Ottomans.

Russia took it in 1783 after a huge war.
 Quoting: Flying Elvii


What he means?

Here’s what he said:

“ The lands which were invaded will be returned to Ukraine.”
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80788820



I'm not surprised that he hates freedom.

The Crimean referendum and all recent polls prove unquestionably that the people of Crimea wish to be a part of Russia.

So, either you hate freedom and democracy, or you believe the will of the people is superceded by that of the state.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68108851


Funny how Pootin only likes democracy when they are in the form of "referendums" that conveniently go his way lmao
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Not that funny.

Whoever told you that crap is a fuckin' retard.


Russia isn't the most free country, but it's democratic.
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Re: Vladimir Putin must return the Black Sea peninsula, including Crimea, to its “rightful owners,” Turkey’s President Erdogan says
He means RETURN CRIMEA TO TURKEY….

Crimea was held by the Ottoman Empire for 340 years after they took it from the Mongels via the Crimean Khanate, a puppet star of the Ottomans.

Russia took it in 1783 after a huge war.
 Quoting: Flying Elvii


What he means?

Here’s what he said:

“ The lands which were invaded will be returned to Ukraine.”
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80788820



I'm not surprised that he hates freedom.

The Crimean referendum and all recent polls prove unquestionably that the people of Crimea wish to be a part of Russia.

So, either you hate freedom and democracy, or you believe the will of the people is superceded by that of the state.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68108851


Funny how Pootin only likes democracy when they are in the form of "referendums" that conveniently go his way lmao
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And definitely not rigged “referendums”
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What he means?

Here’s what he said:

“ The lands which were invaded will be returned to Ukraine.”
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80788820



I'm not surprised that he hates freedom.

The Crimean referendum and all recent polls prove unquestionably that the people of Crimea wish to be a part of Russia.

So, either you hate freedom and democracy, or you believe the will of the people is superceded by that of the state.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68108851


Funny how Pootin only likes democracy when they are in the form of "referendums" that conveniently go his way lmao
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81075580



Not that funny.

Whoever told you that crap is a fuckin' retard.


Russia isn't the most free country, but it's democratic.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68108851


epiclol
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What he means?

Here’s what he said:

“ The lands which were invaded will be returned to Ukraine.”
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80788820



I'm not surprised that he hates freedom.

The Crimean referendum and all recent polls prove unquestionably that the people of Crimea wish to be a part of Russia.

So, either you hate freedom and democracy, or you believe the will of the people is superceded by that of the state.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68108851


Funny how Pootin only likes democracy when they are in the form of "referendums" that conveniently go his way lmao
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81075580



Not that funny.

Whoever told you that crap is a fuckin' retard.


Russia isn't the most free country, but it's democratic.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68108851



Researcher Says Raw Voting Data Points To Massive Fraud In United Russia's Duma Victory



A Russian researcher known for detailed analyses of past elections says fraud was a major factor in the State Duma election victory of the ruling United Russia party.

Sergei Shpilkin, who published his analysis on September 21, two days after the Duma election concluded, said that, without vote manipulation, the Kremlin-backed party would have likely received around 31-33 percent of ballots in the party-list voting -- not the nearly 50 percent reported by the Central Election Commission.

Shpilkin’s analysis adds to the growing clouds looming over the vote, which was already under suspicion due to the concentrated state crackdown on the alternative voter-guide strategy promoted by jailed corruption crusader Aleksei Navalny, among other things.

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European election observers issued a harsh critique of the Russian presidential election on Monday, saying that Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin's victory was preordained and unfair, because of overwhelming bias in the television media and the use of government money and resources in support of his campaign.

Mr. Putin, who has already served eight years as president and four years as prime minister, won a new six-year term on Sunday with an official tally of 63.75 percent of the vote. He has already suggested that he might run again in 2018, potentially extending his tenure as Russia's pre-eminent leader to 24 years, on a par with Brezhnev and Stalin.

The observers, from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe and the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe, said that the election was heavily tilted in Mr. Putin's favor, and that incidents of voter fraud and other irregularities, which they also found, were not as significant as the overall framework of the campaign, which they said gave opposition candidates little chance.

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What he means?

Here’s what he said:

“ The lands which were invaded will be returned to Ukraine.”
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80788820



I'm not surprised that he hates freedom.

The Crimean referendum and all recent polls prove unquestionably that the people of Crimea wish to be a part of Russia.

So, either you hate freedom and democracy, or you believe the will of the people is superceded by that of the state.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68108851


Funny how Pootin only likes democracy when they are in the form of "referendums" that conveniently go his way lmao
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81075580


And definitely not rigged “referendums”
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80788820


rigged? this isn't about Amerika
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Xhow me an election on planet earth and you just showed me a rigged election as some level if not all levels - dictatorship with fake elections.
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Re: Vladimir Putin must return the Black Sea peninsula, including Crimea, to its “rightful owners,” Turkey’s President Erdogan says
Asked whether Russia should be allowed to keep Crimea in a negotiated end to the war, Erdoğan said, “These are our descendants at the same time, the people who are living there. If you were to take this step forward, if you could leave us, you would also be relieving the Crimean Tatars and Ukraine as well. That’s what we have always been saying.”
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Wait... did he actually say that "rightful owners" are Turks, and that Crimea should be returned to Turkey (Ottoman Empire, really)?

Man... he's shooting real high, isn't he?

Anyway...

Erdogan has always been a (psycho) CIA puppet (they are all psychos), and that fact became perfectly obvious when CIA organized that (fake) "military coup" in 2016, in order to prop Erdogan in power and eliminate (kill or imprison) all the opposition to the CIA's rule of lawlessness in Turkey.

Remember those dozens of thousands of Turkish civilians, soldiers, and even high-ranking officers (including generals) that CIA had killed in that purge of 2016?

Only that other CIA operation, conducted in 1973 in Chile, by yet another (psycho) CIA puppet, Pinochet, is comparable to what the CIA (Erdogan) did to the Turkish people.

CIA's history of psychopathic (sick, twisted, Nazi-inherited) behavior just keeps on repeating, doesn't it?

I'm fully expecting the U.S. to be the next country on the CIA's hit list... if WW III does not break out... by some miracle.
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Putin is a madman - how can Erdogan (anyone else) expect to reason with him?
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Putin is a madman - how can Erdogan (anyone else) expect to reason with him?
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Re: Vladimir Putin must return the Black Sea peninsula, including Crimea, to its “rightful owners,” Turkey’s President Erdogan says
He means RETURN CRIMEA TO TURKEY….

Crimea was held by the Ottoman Empire for 340 years after they took it from the Mongels via the Crimean Khanate, a puppet star of the Ottomans.

Russia took it in 1783 after a huge war.
 Quoting: Flying Elvii


This. Turkey is also trying to claim the Greek islands off Turkey's west coast. There's a shitload of oil between the two countries and Johnny Turk wants it.

This bs about 'returning land' is exactly the justification he's using for his attempted theft of the islands.
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STFU turk roach! Return Turkey to its original inhabitants Byzantine, the Greeks and eastern Europeans. Also remove that disgusting visage from Hagia Sophia and return its to its rightful owner, the Orthodox Christian Faith.

Disgusting Smegol looking motherfucker has no place to talk.
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Bull!

Turkey = Russia ally!
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Crimea River
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He means RETURN CRIMEA TO TURKEY….

Crimea was held by the Ottoman Empire for 340 years after they took it from the Mongels via the Crimean Khanate, a puppet star of the Ottomans.

Russia took it in 1783 after a huge war.
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exactly
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it was originally owned by Turkey
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How long is that war gonna last? Been like 200 years so far...
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He means RETURN CRIMEA TO TURKEY….

Crimea was held by the Ottoman Empire for 340 years after they took it from the Mongels via the Crimean Khanate, a puppet star of the Ottomans.

Russia took it in 1783 after a huge war.
 Quoting: Flying Elvii


What he means?

Here’s what he said:

“ The lands which were invaded will be returned to Ukraine.”
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80788820



I'm not surprised that he hates freedom.

The Crimean referendum and all recent polls prove unquestionably that the people of Crimea wish to be a part of Russia.

So, either you hate freedom and democracy, or you believe the will of the people is superceded by that of the state.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68108851

For Erdogan, Crimea is land.
For the Jedi, Ukraine is also just land, a new promised land, a new Israel.
For Russia, Crimea and Ukraine are people. Russian people.
Who do not want to live in Turkey or Israel, they want to live at home.
If we give Crimea and Donbass to "pro-Western Ukraine," where will the millions of Russians who have lived there for centuries go?
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Lmao ..Turkey should focus on their our problems and mind their own damn business!

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Re: Vladimir Putin must return the Black Sea peninsula, including Crimea, to its “rightful owners,” Turkey’s President Erdogan says
Then return Turkey to its rightful owners you Mongol! Turkey is Greek, Armenian and Kurdish land. Turks need to go back to the Eurasian steppes where they came from.
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Erdogan has to say that because of Crimea's Tatars.
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Re: Vladimir Putin must return the Black Sea peninsula, including Crimea, to its “rightful owners,” Turkey’s President Erdogan says
Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said that Russian President Vladimir Putin must return all land that Russia has occupied, including Crimea.

The Black Sea peninsula should be returned to its “rightful owners,” ERDOGAN told PBS NewsHour on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly in New York, in comments likely to provoke ire in Moscow.

Asked whether Russia should be allowed to keep Crimea in a negotiated end to the war, Erdoğan said, “These are our descendants at the same time, the people who are living there. If you were to take this step forward, if you could leave us, you would also be relieving the Crimean Tatars and Ukraine as well. That’s what we have always been saying.”

Erdogan said he had been telling Putin this since 2014. “But since then, unfortunately, no step has been taken forward,” he added.

The remarks make him the latest world leader with continuing ties to Russia to deal Putin a rhetorical blow in recent days. India’s Narendra Modi raised concerns last week about the Russian president’s ongoing war on Ukraine, and Putin himself admitted China’s Xi Jinping expressed “concerns” as well.

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He’ll change his mind tomorrow





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